Linux-Advocacy Digest #692, Volume #32 Wed, 7 Mar 01 21:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time (Steve Mading)
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Sometimes, when I run Windows... ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Linux Joke (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: NT vs *nix performance (Steve Mading)
Re: Linux growth underscores threat to Microsoft (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time ("JD")
Re: Sometimes, when I run Windows... (Terry Porter)
Re: I am looking for a newsreader (Faheem Mitha)
Re: What does IQ measure? (Brent R)
Re: Do Windows developers settle? ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Sometimes, when I run Windows... (Bob Hauck)
Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time (Craig Kelley)
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time
Date: 7 Mar 2001 23:56:51 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Jay Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 05:59:41 GMT, Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>That's what annoys me about this continual GPL debate. There is a ready
:>solution for those who don't want to release their work under the GPL:
:>Don't use or link to GPLed code in your program. That's pretty
:>straightforward, I would think.
: As far as it goes. However, it also shows the intellectual poverty of the
: GPV approach: "We want to maximize software reuse!"...but then use terms
: that make software reuse impossible for many folks. "We want to maximize
: freedom!"...and limit it in important ways. "Down with software
: hoarding!"...and they hoard it themselves by adopting viral terms that many
: others simply cannot. "It's about free speech!"...and they adopt license
: terms that are incompatible with many other licenses that also are about
: free speech.
Here's a free clue: Freedom is optimized when *some* reasonable
limits exist. Laissez-faire approaches do not optimize freedom.
Anarchy does not lead to the greatest freedom, it simply leads to
whatever bullies have power becoming the ones in charge. When
people are "free" to murder each other, or "free" to bully each
other, or "free" to plagerize without giving due credit, then in
the long run there is less freedom. Anarchy is always a temporary
situation, and so is total 100% freedom. The argument that the
GPL is not really free because it has some rules attached is really
dumb for that reason. Certain types of rules actually give more
freedom in the long run than total lack of rules does. The key
debatable point here is whether or not the GPL's rules are of
the type that lead to greater freedom. I don't think they are,
but I also dislike this line of argument that claims the only
way for a license to be free is for it to have absolutely no rules
attached at all. THAT is naive. In the real world, total freedom
cannot be had unless you are the only one alive on the planet. As
soon as people get in each other's way, there is no total freedom.
The goal should be to optomize freedom, with the realization that
100% freedom isn't an obtainable goal, so compramises need to be made.
: It all adds up to "my way or the highway". It's communism in the guise of
: freedom, an inherent contradiction. (Before you claim I'm full of prunes,
: then answer me one simple question: Why does the GNU Manifesto read so much
: like the Communist Manifesto?)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: 8 Mar 2001 00:01:06 GMT
On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 22:05:02 GMT, Giuliano Colla wrote:
>David Brown wrote:
>>
>Waiting Kylix to be ready, we've implemented some part of our software
>using VMware, to have a Windows GUI, and Linux processes. Linux and
>Windows communicate through TCP/IP sockets. As the communication is two
>way (one server and one client on each side), the implementation is
>quite symmetrical.
>Well the Linux side implemented in C is ten times shorter and simpler
>than the Windows side, implemented with a RAD instrument like Delphi
>(which hides most of the idiocies of Windows). The one which locks in
>case of error is the Windows side.
Yes, but you haven't tried writing any GUI code in Linux. Why ? Because
you're waiting for decent GUI development tools to become available.
This doesn't contradict my point at all, it backs it up -- Linux is only
just starting to mature as a GUI development platform.
It's inherited a good set of APIs for network/systems programming from
UNIX (and indeed improved upon them), and the GNU project adds a bunch
of good dev tools which make it easy to write portable code (make, gcc,
autoconf, libtool, automake)
However, it's only recently that decent, stable toolkits have been available
on Linux.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: 8 Mar 2001 00:04:01 GMT
On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 21:50:16 GMT, Giuliano Colla wrote:
>Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:41:40 +0100, David Brown wrote:
>> >
>>
>> >>> and certainly does not have any development tools.
>> >>
>> >>It has shared libraries.
>> >
>> >Shared libraries are not development tools. A developer might take
>> >advantage of existing shared libraries in a program, but that is a far cry
>> >from calling libraries "development tools".
>>
>> Yes, I should have been more clear. The development tools are not part of
>> what comes on the Win9x CD. However, the APIs *are* developed in tandem
>> with the operating system, and an operating system with a good set of
>> APIs tends to offer developers a lot when it comes to writing applications.
>>
>> The question I was addressing is "what is modern about Windows". While the
>> header files and compiler do not come on the Win9x CD, they do add value
>> to the platform from a users perspective, because they make it easy for
>> the developer to write user friendly applications.
>
>Did you ever look into those API's? Well, I did. I was used to special
>purpose real-time OS's, but customers wanted nice GUI's, so I considered
>trying to use Windows environment, and I started looking into Windows
>not by a casual user point of view, but by a developer's point of view.
>After that I had no other idea than to find an alternative solution.
>I've never seen such a mess of inconsistent idiotic things, with no
>plan, no design philosophy, no logic behind. Lots of different API's to
>do the same thing, just because the first one takes some parameters from
>global data (forgetting the multitasking environment), the second one
>just provides a flag to tell apart two different cases out of 50
>possibilities, then 48 more to cope with the other possibilities, and so
>on. It's a programmer's nightmare. Beginner programmers with some talent
>turn out much better software than what you clearly understand to lie
>behind those API's. That way you may produce tens of thousands of API
>calls (that's the number reached up to now, if I understand properly)
>without providing a fraction of the functionality of a well designed
>system with just a few hundred system calls.
Are you talking about Win32, or MFC/VCL ?
I don't think you'd have found the situation in Linux much better before
Qt/GTK. Back then, all the "serious" GUI applications (a console app with
a lightweight GUI doesn't count) were done in Motif, and there simply
wasn't anything free to work with. The motif apps had to be distributed
statically linked because the stupid thing required a runtime license
(WTF???)
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sometimes, when I run Windows...
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 00:06:05 +0000
>> > True, but even less works on Linux.
>>
>> Depends what hardware. 'Doze supports only PC hardware. It's moniter
>> support is also crap. That is one thing Linux consistently supports
>> better on the PC platform.
>
> Windows support of monitors seems to work just fine.
Try to get a 56Khz fixed frequency moniter working on a windows machine.
No problem under Linux.
>> > Because other people have complained of the same problems!
>>
>> I have never seen anyone complaints involve the sheer number and
>> variety of problems you seem to experience. That is why your install is
>> bolloxed.
>
> Then you haven't been reading some of the posts in this group.
Other people have problems. Noone has quite the number and variety on the
same computer that you do, none that I've seen anyway. That is why you
have a bolloxed install.
>> > Why does Windows install perfectly every time I do it?
>>
>> Why doesn't it for me?
>>
>> (there's a hole in my bucket)
>
> You're missing the point.
There's a hole in my bucket.
>> > Funny, in order to get my monitor to work on Linux, I had to at least
>> > give it a basic specification.
>>
>> I just checked, you need to do that under Windows too. But Linux
>> doesn't need a whole driver.
>
> On my Iiyama monitor disk is an INF file. It's used to install a
> "driver". Actually all it contains are details about the monitor. Not
> really a driver. Which monitor are you referring to that actually
> installs a VXD or SYS file?
My moniter seemed to come with a driver CD. I haven't installed it to be
honest, so I may be wrong here.
>> > Perhaps because the list of monitors that work with MAC are much
>> > reduced?
>>
>> This moniter works with a Mac. It came with a Mac adapter. The Mac
>> doesn't need drivers.
>
> How does that answer my question?
Macs will work with most PC moniters, with the correct adapter, because
most PC moniters will sync any old crap thrown at them. The Macs don't
seem to need drivers.
>> >> Why didn't it provide drivers for solaris (despite supporting SUN's
>> >> od screen modes)? Same reason.
>> >
>> > See above.
>>
>> Why didn't it need drivers.
>
> See above.
See above.
>> >> It's just a fscking moniter. Moniters do not need drivers.
>> >
>> > The OS needs to know what kind of monitor you have attached. Same
>> > thing.
>>
>> Not really. And under the cases where it does, windows really falls
>> down. Try getting an old 56khz workstation moniter working under 'doze.
>> Now try under Linux.
>
> Well, if you want to use an old monitor, go ahead!
I happen to have a brand new moniter of a very high quality at the
moment.
However, the workstation moniters (although too big for me ATM since I
don't have room to put them) are absoloutely top notch peices of
hardware. If you get the chance and space to put one, I suggest you jump
at the oppertunity because it is really worthwhile. But, you're free to
use aneye busting 13.8 incher if you wish.
> As for Windows falling, down, why here I am happily using my Iiyama
> Vision Master 400 without any problems. Should I tell it that it's
> really falling down?
That is a supported moniter. It's crap with unsupported ones, but it is
ususlly possible to get Linux to drive almost any moniter.
>> > Fresh and clean appears to equate to "buggy and unusable".
>>
>> I've found it useable and more bug free than windows.
>
> You consider, for example, the KDE desktop more usable and bug free than
> Windows? Your expectations must not be very high then!
I was referring to Linux desktops in general. I find the one I use much
less byggy, much more stable and of a much cleaner design.
-Ed
--
| Edward Rosten
| u98ejr@
This argument is a beta version. | ecs.ox
| .ac.uk
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Joke
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 00:12:41 GMT
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 13:56:35 GMT, Chad Myers wrote:
> >
> >>I've always maintained that Linux must have an EZ-HACK feature, judging
> >by the ease in which "hackers" compromised entire university computer
> >labs for their DDoS assault on Ebay, Amazon, Microsoft and several
> >others last summer. It was reported that a large majority of the
> >machines used in the attack were compromised Linux boxes.
>
> Put up or shut up. The box is smith203-1.rutgers.edu.
>
> My challenge to you: break in and deface the webpage. I haven't made that
> much effort to check security (besides the obvious precautions) or keep
> it up to date.
>
> IMO the reason why Linux boxes tend to get compromised is because the
> "admins" are often not professionals.
The situation is a little better for RedHatters. RH 7 makes it a
little easier not to run those nasty exploitable services like
wu-ftp and the r* commands. I got hacked when I had that crap
running; learned better.
By the way, your box looks interesting from nmap, but I'm too new
at this to do much more than see your open ports.
Chris
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: 8 Mar 2001 00:13:33 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Quantum Leaper wrote:
:>
:> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
:> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> >
:> >
:> > JS PL wrote:
:> > >
:> >
:> >
:> > > But your IQ theory only applies to those in the 50 to 120 range.
:> > > Since I'm 160 I can see the obvious. There's no possible monopoly
:> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:> >
:> > Is your IQ scored in dog points?
:>
:> Do either of you know what an IQ test really measures? (Hint it not how
:> smart you are...)
: You idiot.
: Please name *ONE* person who scores highly on IQ tests who is also a retard.
The problem with IQ tests isn't that they fail to measure some
type of reasoning ability, but rather that they fail to *isolate*
it from extraneous influences. Intelligence is a necessary but
not sufficient condition to cause high IQ scores. You can be
assured that someone with a high score is smart, but you cannot be
assured that someone with a low score isn't.
Another problem is that there is no really good clear definition
of "intelligence". You can't measure something where people don't
even agree on the definition to what it is. Measuring whether someone
is "smart" is a bit like trying to measure whether a painting is
"pretty".
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth underscores threat to Microsoft
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 00:38:25 GMT
J Sloan wrote:
>
> 2 + 2 wrote:
>
> > Chris Ahlstrom wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > >http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-4979275.html
> > >
> > >"Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has acknowledged that
> > >Linux has become its No. 1 threat, and
> > >the IDC numbers underscore that position.
> > >Although the figures show that Windows shipments
> > >increased 20 percent, Linux outpaced it with a 24
> > >percent increase."
> > >
> > >What's weird about it is that, with Windows at
> > >41%, and Linux at 27%, 68% of the server market is
> > >running on PC OS's (more if you count Netware).
>
> um no.
>
> With Linux at 27% and "other Unix" at whatever it was,
> it shows that Unix oses have a healthy share. I expect
> the Unix figure to increase, if anything.
>
> Unix OSes = Linux, Solaris, HP-UX, Irix, MacOS X, FreeBSD...
>
> Non-Unix = dos, win31, win9x, win nt, novell, etc...
I'll amend that to say that between 41% and 68% of
the server market is running on PC OS's. Still a pretty
weird fact.
>
> Hardware is orthogonal to the question of OS.
Not orthogonal; the angle isn't normal, but acute.
>
> In any case, microsoft's main argument that "unix hardware
> is expensive" goes out the window, doesn't it?
Only an idiot would take a Crimosoft argument at
face value. Or a dazed follower of Bill Gates.
Cool
--
[X] Check here to always trust content from Chris
[ ] Check here if you're a dazed follower of Bill Gates
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From: "JD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:07:46 -0500
"Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:986hs3$br6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Here's a free clue: Freedom is optimized when *some* reasonable
> limits exist. Laissez-faire approaches do not optimize freedom.
> Anarchy does not lead to the greatest freedom, it simply leads to
> whatever bullies have power becoming the ones in charge.
>
Of course, your claim about 'Anarchy' has nothing to do with the
GPL not being free. That is a perfect example of reducing the
argument to the absurd... A free license doesn't cause anarchy.
Misleading claims like: "The GPL is a license of free software" isn't
anarchy, communism or capitalistic... That statement about the GPL
being free is a lie.
John
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Sometimes, when I run Windows...
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 08 Mar 2001 01:03:46 GMT
On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 22:43:44 GMT,
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <983tbn$3a$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>> > True, but even less works on Linux.
>>
>> Depends what hardware. 'Doze supports only PC hardware. It's moniter
>> support is also crap. That is one thing Linux consistently supports
>> better on the PC platform.
>
>Windows support of monitors seems to work just fine.
Then please tell me Pete, do any of your Windows OS's have'drivers'
for my Apple Multiple Scan 17 Display ?
This monitor doesn't have a Linux driver either, but it was a piece of cake
to enter the maximum refresh rates when Xfree asked me, when I installed
Mandrake7.2
Monitors don't need 'drivers', nor do modems.
However Windows has led the lemmings to believe they do need 'drivers'
for these basic facilities.
>--
>Pete
>All your no fly zone are belong to us
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Faheem Mitha)
Subject: Re: I am looking for a newsreader
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 01:18:29 -0000
On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 03:01:09 GMT, Brad Sims <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Knode is ok but I want something like Xnews, that I can run on
>my linux partition (SuSE 7.0, KDE 2.1). I have tried krn and did
>not like it either.
Slrn is wonderful. It doesn't have a gui interface (it is a console
newsreader like tin) but it is extremely fast over slow connections,
very stable, can be easily customised, and is extremely pleasant to
use. Also, it looks extremely cool, what with all threading and
whatnot. And the fact that it runs on the console means you can
easily use it over a remote (ssh or whatever) connection. Give it a
try!
Sincerely, Faheem Mitha.
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 01:32:23 GMT
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 15:08:45 GMT, Brent R wrote:
> >Anonymous wrote:
> >>
>
> I'll butt in here and say that IQ is certainly not a terribly reliable measure
> of anything, but it's true that it correlates with a "intelligence", no matter
> how you define "intelligence".
>
> Note that the fact that it correlates doesn't mean it's accurate. There could
> exist a genius (however you want to define that) with an IQ of 75, and it would
> still be true that the median IQ of your group of "geniuses" is 150 (or
> whatever).
>
> In practice, it's unlikely that you'll find any sort of "genius" with an IQ
> of under 100.
>
> --
> Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
> elflord at panix dot com
JD Salinger had an IQ score of 115, still above average but not showing
his true ability. To some the man is a complete genius. I also so a show
where a man with an IQ of 75 (he's mentally disabled) could craft
picture perfect animal replicas out of clay in very short time. His
pieces sell for millions at some art galleries. He's also considered a
genius.
IQ measures logic and does, in general, represent how far a person will
go in society. However I don't think that anyone should be held back by
anything, with just a little intelligence and enough hard work you can
accomplish anything. Don't dream it, be it.
Also, it seems I have been dealt several hands of bad karma today after
making that unwarranted attack on Aaron. I guess I will apologize now, I
wasn't in the best of moods at the time.
--
Happy Trails!
-Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Do Windows developers settle?
Date: 8 Mar 2001 01:41:26 GMT
Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Kinda wondering, do most Windows developers actually enjoy developing for
: Windows?
Hell no.
We make decent money and have great job prospects (in the U.S. at
least), but a job in which you spend 5% of the time in new development
and 95% of it working around bugs and design limitations in the
*tools* (not your own code) is not a recipe for job satisfaction.
: I always find myself in a situation that every job I apply for
: involves at least some Windows programming. And while I try to stay clear of
: Windows as much as I possibly can, I realize at some point that I have to
: take a job that involves strictly Windows NT programming, or a 50/50 split of
: Solaris/Windows or maybe Linux/Windows.
There are *huge* amounts of legacy Windows code that will have to be
rewritten using better technologies. It's a good idea to continue to
know Windows and the tools prevalent on that platform, so you'll be in
a good position to be able to do that work.
: I've spoken to a few Windows developers in my area. They all say they don't
: like Windows, and that they prefer unix whenever possible. They are
: basically settling, because they took the only C/C++ developer jobs they
: could find in my area, which was Windows-only, with a little bit of Solaris
: and Linux.
Here in northeast Ohio, Java and VB are still among the most eagerly
sought skills, which is strange since VB's future in light of .NET is
at best uncertain. C++ knowldge is generally considered a plus, but
jobs that primarily involve C and/or C++ coding seem pretty rare here.
I'm not seeing a lot of Linux-centric jobs yet in this market, but one
can always hope. :)
: Myself, I probably would concede and just do what I have to do. I don't like
: MS or Doze, and I've made myself perfectly clear many times. A lot of people
: in here will point to some search engine, and say "look, search engine foo
: says there are 3 million Linux jobs in the US". Well, that doesn't tell the
: whole story, because I've seen jobs showing up in a job database as being
: "Linux", but it was really a Windows job. Also, a lot of nix jobs,
: unfortunately, are in the big city, where I really don't want to relocate.
: Close to home, I could find plenty of C++ jobs, but, (*gag!*), most are on
: the Doze platform.
: So, I would just resign myself to the fact that, if I absolutely had to, I
: would do Doze programming. One thing's for sure, though: I won't be doing
: any Windows programming when I come home from work. The way I look at it is,
: C++ programming is C++ programming no matter which platform you perform it
: on, and that doing Win32 programming isn't going to kill me. I think there's
: a world of difference between advocating something, and using it on the job.
: I have this theory that Win programmers don't really enjoy Win programming,
: and that they'd be much happier developing on Linux, Solaris, or *BSD. You
: may be in hell at work, but coming home, it's pure heaven!
My employer is transitioning from VB client/server apps to the
Java/Websphere architecture. In theory, these apps will be
platform-independent. In practice, it seems that we'll be tied very
closely to the WebSphere product, which bothers me some, although not
as much as being tied to Windows.
: So, I think most Windows programmers really do settle, and then wait 'til
: they come home to use the platform they truly like (which is Linux, FreeBSD,
: or Solaris, or even Darwin). Hey, why spoil your rotten mood that you
: obtained while driving to work in the heavy traffic?
I've long had some interest in developing a PS/PDF/HTML database
reporting tool as well as an MS-Access clone. There aren't terribly
good equivalents of these in the free software world as far as I know,
and although my employer is interested in these, I intend to GPL (or
LGPL) both of these if I can ever get some working code built, so they
will be developed on my own time using Linux. My employer can use it,
for free, but so can anyone else. That's what freedom is all about.
Joe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Sometimes, when I run Windows...
Reply-To: bobh = haucks dot org
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 01:44:49 GMT
On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 19:17:55 -0800, Arthur Frain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Bob Hauck wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 05 Mar 2001 21:44:09 GMT, Pete Goodwin
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Does it have linking and cross referencing yet?
>
>> It does if you view the man pages using, say, the KDE help viewer.
>
>Or the Gnome help viewer, or TK-Man, or several others.
Right, but Goodwin supposedly uses KDE so I was kind of hoping he'd give
it a try by clicking on the little picture of a life preserver. Hope
springs eternal.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time
Date: 07 Mar 2001 19:08:24 -0700
Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Austin Ziegler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : readline <http://cnswww.cns.cwru.edu/~chet/readline/rltop.html>, and GNU MP
> : (GMP) <http://www.gnu.org/software/gmp/gmp.html>. That's two examples.
>
> We are apparently using different dictionaries, because I don't
> consider that "signifigant". Readline, for example, is trivial
> to re-implement.
No it isn't. It's 27k lines of code. It has nasty ioctl-ish screen
controls. It has to support strange terminal configurations (go
through a ReadLine module install on Perl sometime), and interface
with multiple terminal capability systems. It has to cache a lot of
information quickly without using up a lot of memory.
--
It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a PCI slot on your ATX videoboard.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
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