Linux-Advocacy Digest #693, Volume #26 Fri, 26 May 00 00:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Shock Boy")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Joseph)
Re: Advocacy or Mental Illness ? (mlw)
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux ("Colin R. Day")
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux ("Colin R. Day")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (david raoul derbes)
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers. ("Colin R. Day")
Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000 (Geo)
Re: Wintrolls! M$ will get the blade. ("Ferdinand V. Mendoza")
Re: UNIX Linux only ISP ("Colin R. Day")
Re: vote on MS split-up ("Colin R. Day")
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Tholen's Thole tholenated - Thread now tholenified (Marty)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Joseph)
Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers. (Bloody Viking)
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From: "Shock Boy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 02:41:30 GMT
"Jeff Glatt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >Sean O Donnchadha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >I think demonstrating that Jackson pretty much closed his eyes and
> >ears - and literally went to sleep - every time an MS witness got up
> >on the stand should be enough.
>
> >IMHO, it's becoming more obvious with each court appearance that His
> >Narcolepsy can't see beyond the browser issue in this case. He's still
> >pissed off at the overturning of his idiotic injunction - he *STILL*
> >wants IE out of Windows. This senile nutcase wants it so badly that it
> >took him about twenty seconds yesterday to decide to destroy one of
> >the most important companies in the world. After the day's events, how
> >can you possibly believe he's still thinking rationally? Every lawyer
> >quoted in every one of yesterday's reports expressed shock at
> >Jackson's behavior.
>
> Indeed. When all is said and done, I expect that the general consensus
> upon this judge's career will be that he fell apart on the bench and
> began to render ill-conceived decisions (which I expect will be
> overturned later by judges who actually have enough mental stamina to
> stay awake during a trial, and no axe to grind as a result of
> humiliating embarrassments such as what Jackson suffered in his
> previous run-in with MS)
A preciding judge falling asleep should be grounds for immediate mistrial..
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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:49:07 -0400
From: Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
"Seán Donnchadha" wrote:
>
> josco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>vindictive [vin dktiv ] adjective
> >
> >1. vengeful: looking for revenge or done through a desire for revenge
> >2. spiteful: feeling, showing, or done through a desire to hurt
> >somebody
> >3. LAW meant to punish: used to describe damages awarded by a court
> >that are set higher than the amount necessary to compensate the victim,
> >in order to punish the defendant
> >
> >Encarta World English Dictionary [North American Edition] & (P) 1999-2000
> >Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
> >Developed for Microsoft by Bloomsbury Publishing Plc.
> >
>
> So the judge's job is purely to punish?
"purely" Of course not - stop asking childish questions.
> What happened to being
> impartial and ensuring due process? Like you, Jackson seems to have
> forgotten about those two...
Due process was given. MS got what they wanted - a speedy trial so they
can win on appeal.
> Besides, *YOU'RE* forgetting what kind of court case this is. There's
> a reason why what Mr. Jackson is deciding on right now is called a
> *REMEDY* and not a *PUNISHMENT*. Look into it.
You're a very angry and confused person. He can punish MS for not
presenting truthful witnesses by disgregarding their testimony. He can
punish MS for present doctored and misrepresenting video tape evidence
by disgarding their evidence and doubting MS's credibility. He
punished MS for bragging they'll win on appeal finding it IRONIC that MS
wanted months of additional hearings for a case MS has publiclly (and
with great insult to the Judge) said was irrational and they'll easily
win on appeal.
He can comment on MS's boring and pointless cross examinations by
sleeping -- you should thank him for letting MS enter all their
gibberish into the public record even if it was pointless and abusive to
the witnesses. He did MS a **big** favor by letting them probe and
examine witnesses going down all the dead ends -- even if it bored the
court room. What a great guy. MS should have been more thankful.
> Unfortunately, although he *SHOULD* be deciding on a remedy, this
> particular nutjob is obviously on a bloodtrail...
Spliting MS is a reasonable remedy. You'll soon come to accept it so
stop blaming the judge - you sound like a Miami Heat Basketball player.
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Advocacy or Mental Illness ?
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:59:49 -0400
Matthias Warkus wrote:
>
> It was the Tue, 23 May 2000 22:13:02 +0200...
> ...and Nicholas Murison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > CAguy wrote:
> > > Umm..what version of Window are you talking about?..win32 is 'quite
> > > flat' also. Anyway, who uses DOS/win16 anymore?
> > >
> > > James
> >
> > DOS is really quite useful, if you want to do some basic programming
> > stuff. I'm currently using it to learn Assembly, as it's somewhat
> > easier under DOS than under Linux.
>
> What's the point? If you want to use assembly in the future, you need
> to know how to use it under a modern system. So what's the use of
> learning assembly under an ancient system like DOS that doesn't do
> memory protection and such?
I have a problem with the assembler syntax on GNU assembler and gcc. On
the x86, it is not standard x86 assembler.
--
Mohawk Software
Windows 9x, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
Visit http://www.mohawksoft.com
Have you noticed the way people's intelligence capabilities decline
sharply the minute they start waving guns around?
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From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:01:43 -0400
Leslie Mikesell wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Colin R. Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Never mind it IS free of charge on the internet. If you look at the
> >> > > Redhat page, you will notice that you can download the current version
> >> > > of Redhat for FREE, BUT, you do NOT get the SUPPORT that comes with the
> >> > > version you can purchase. So, what you are buying is SUPPORT.
> >> >
> >> > True, there is that. But I need the need the CD's more than I need
> >> > the support.
> >>
> >> Burn your own!
> >
> >a) I don't have a CD-writer.
> >
> >b) I would still need to download the files to be burned onto
> >the CD in the first place.
>
> There are any number of places selling the cheap knock-off CD's
> if you don't want support or the commercial demos that come
> on the official versions. A Mandrake 7.0 disk is included
> with a magazine that should still be available.
>
The May/June issue of Maximum Linux. Yes, I have it.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:05:32 -0400
JEDIDIAH wrote:
> On Thu, 25 May 2000 10:11:34 -0400, Colin R. Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >
> >> "Colin R. Day" wrote:
> >> >
> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Never mind it IS free of charge on the internet. If you look at the
> >> > > Redhat page, you will notice that you can download the current version
> >> > > of Redhat for FREE, BUT, you do NOT get the SUPPORT that comes with the
> >> > > version you can purchase. So, what you are buying is SUPPORT.
> >> >
> >> > True, there is that. But I need the need the CD's more than I need
> >> > the support.
> >>
> >> Burn your own!
> >
> >a) I don't have a CD-writer.
>
> Make friends with someone who does. Given the cost of CD Writers
> these days, that shouldn't be too hard...
I'll get that in my next computer. Currently, I have 32 meg of RAM, 1 meg
of video RAM, and 4 gig of hard drive on a P1 233.
Now that I have a distro, I don't mind downloading individual RPM's,
but I was referring to a time (early 1998) when I didn't know that
Linux distros were in magazines :-(.
>
>
> >
> >b) I would still need to download the files to be burned onto
> >the CD in the first place.
>
> --
>
> In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
> a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
>
> Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
Colin Day
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (david raoul derbes)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 03:17:01 GMT
In article <8gknn7$2fkt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Seán Ó Donnchadha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>Perhaps they are acquainted with the original and alternative
>>>products that Microsoft bought or bullied out of existence
>>>using what what are now being exposed as unfair practices.
>>>
>>
>>Yeah, too bad they can't actually name any that were made by a company
>>that didn't either shoot itself in the head (Netscape), or happily
>>take Microsoft's money and run (Fox).
>
>From the user group and Compuserve postings at the time of the
>acquisition it was pretty clear that the Fox crew expected to
>stay and improve the product. Not much later it was pretty
>clear that Microsoft planned to dump it just to eliminate
>the competition for Access. It didn't get completely dumped,
>but I don't think you can blame the Fox people for what
>happened.
I think it *has* been completely dumped, as of a few months ago...
I *loved* the original FoxBase/Mac. When MS finished with it, it had
been bloated by at least a factor of six. The new versions broke lots and
lots of code, and the translation utilities didn't work. Swell, just
swell.
One of many reasons why I prefer not to use MS products. If there were
an acceptable alternative to Excel 4.0 (yep) on the Mac, I'd have
a completely non-MS computer.
David Derbes [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 03:16:59 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Colin R. Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote on Thu, 25 May 2000 10:11:34 -0400 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
>> "Colin R. Day" wrote:
>> >
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> > > Never mind it IS free of charge on the internet. If you look at the
>> > > Redhat page, you will notice that you can download the current version
>> > > of Redhat for FREE, BUT, you do NOT get the SUPPORT that comes with the
>> > > version you can purchase. So, what you are buying is SUPPORT.
>> >
>> > True, there is that. But I need the need the CD's more than I need
>> > the support.
>>
>> Burn your own!
>
>a) I don't have a CD-writer.
>
>b) I would still need to download the files to be burned onto
>the CD in the first place.
If you have a sufficiently fast Internet connection and an existing OS
(even one as old as DOS), the only things you'd need to download for
RedHat is 'bootnet.img' and 'rawrite.exe'. :-) The rest is sucked
in later. :-)
>
>Colin Day
>
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Linux. The choice of a GNU generation.
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From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers.
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:20:13 -0400
Bloody Viking wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Colin R. Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : You can invoke ghostview, gv file.ps, (assuming that you have a postscript
> : file)
> : and print from there.
>
> Is there any way to make a Poscript "hello world" file to experiment with?
> I'm sure a Postscript guru could hand-make a "Hello World" file.
If you know TeX, you can convert a dvi file to a postscript file by
dvips file.dvi -o file.ps. Do you have a TeX file on your system?
>
>
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From: Geo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.lang.basic,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:25:41 -0700
Damien wrote:
>
> There we have it. The secrete to keep Windows from crashing is to
> avoid multitasking and do a lot of maintenance. I have to say, that
> sucks.
Uh, huh. I see you are a "true believer" of MS sop. Is is like a religion.
Was 3.0, 3.1, 95, 98 good multitasking? Hardly. Whatever, loading up a system
with mostly unused programs during a workday is blatent nonsense.
Read the following and jump for joy or weep.
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From: "Ferdinand V. Mendoza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Wintrolls! M$ will get the blade.
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 07:29:08 +0400
With 2.4 almost there, no way...yawn...
I think thousands more lawsuits would follow
after the chop. That's where they should prepare more.
Ferdinand
Drestin Black wrote:
> So?
>
> And W2K will STILL be superiour to Linux... yawn...
>
> "Ferdinand V. Mendoza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Judge Jackson is considering the idea of chopping M$ into
> > three pieces -one more than the government's proposal of two.
> > Nice. The more the merrier.
> >
> > Ferdinand
> >
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From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: UNIX Linux only ISP
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:27:47 -0400
Francis Van Aeken wrote:
> Sparc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8gk3vs$kfp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > No windoze users allowed to connect to us, we have
> > designed a service with UNIX an Linux only in mind.
>
> Good idea! Let's split the world in two parts: those who use only UNIX
> or a clone and those who use whatever they feel like using.
But this fails to be a dichotomy, as some Linux users feel like
using Linux.
>
>
> Francis.
Colin Day
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From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: vote on MS split-up
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:30:27 -0400
Gerald Willmann wrote:
> CNN is conducting a poll whether MS should be split up and if yes into how
> many parts. Please take a minute to vote for a good cause.
>
> -> http://cnnfn.com/poll/microsoft_breakup.html
>
> thanks, Gerald
>
> --
Justice is not the product of opinion polls. Besides, I want
Microsoft destroyed by Linux, not the DOJ.
Colin Day
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 03:27:08 GMT
On Fri, 26 May 2000 03:16:59 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Colin R. Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote on Thu, 25 May 2000 10:11:34 -0400 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>>
>>> "Colin R. Day" wrote:
>>> >
>>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Never mind it IS free of charge on the internet. If you look at the
>>> > > Redhat page, you will notice that you can download the current version
>>> > > of Redhat for FREE, BUT, you do NOT get the SUPPORT that comes with the
>>> > > version you can purchase. So, what you are buying is SUPPORT.
>>> >
>>> > True, there is that. But I need the need the CD's more than I need
>>> > the support.
>>>
>>> Burn your own!
>>
>>a) I don't have a CD-writer.
>>
>>b) I would still need to download the files to be burned onto
>>the CD in the first place.
>
>If you have a sufficiently fast Internet connection and an existing OS
>(even one as old as DOS), the only things you'd need to download for
>RedHat is 'bootnet.img' and 'rawrite.exe'. :-) The rest is sucked
>in later. :-)
Alternately, you could share a single official copy amongst
an entire cabal that consisted of at least one person that
had a burner.
--
In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tholen's Thole tholenated - Thread now tholenified
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 03:40:50 GMT
Shock Boy wrote:
>
> "Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Shock Boy wrote:
> > >
> > > "Mayor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > In article <0_WW4.10747$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > >Mayor writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >>> Christopher Smith writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >>>>>> We sic Tholen onto you.
> > > > >
> > > > >>>>> Who is "we"?
> > > > >
> > > > >>>> We is us.
> > > > >
> > > > >>> Who is "us"?
> > > > >
> > > > >> Us is "we", obviously.
> > > > >
> > > > >Classic circular reasoning.
> > > > >
> > > > If A=B does not B=A?
> > >
> > > And that does nothign to tell you
> >
> > What it does "nothign" to tell us is irrelevant. What you can prove is
> > relevant.
Note: no response.
> > > if in actuality, A=B
> >
> > Illogical. A=B is a given. Haven't you been paying attention?
>
> You stated "IF". Not that it "IS".
Attribution problems, Shock Boy? I made no such statement. More evidence of
your reading comprehension problems.
However, whether or not I stated such a thing is irrelevant, as "us = we" is a
given.
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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:44:57 -0400
From: Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Shock Boy wrote:
>
> A preciding judge falling asleep should be grounds for immediate mistrial..
It is grounds for MS to end their foot-dragging, pointless cross
examination.
The Judge did MS a favor. Priase him. He let MS exhaust themsevles,
laying down red herrings and going down blind alleys with Gov't
witnesses -- even if it bored the Judge to sleep he let them go on and
on and they didn't stop even if it did bore him and the court room.
Ironically, letting MS drag their examinations on and on proves he
granted them opportunities to discredit witnesses. MS was allowed to
enter all that important testiony in the court record and they could
refer to it in their conclusions of law. He did them a favor - if you
like MS then thank him. Blame MS if it was dull and pointless.
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From: Bloody Viking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers.
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 04:04:02 GMT
Marada C. Shradrakaii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Furthermore, if the printer followed a well-documented standard/semi-standard
: (PCL or PostScript, or even emulating an old Epson dot-matrix), this wouldn't
: be an issue at all. It would set up as that, and work. Printers years ago did
: that. Some even do now. Unfortunately, there are some designers who would
: rather invent something new rather than an existing command set that works.
But of course that's too much like making sense. You can't even get a
dot-matrix anymore. Noisy as fuck in a production run, but they worked
great. My old Epson dot-matrix bit the dust recently, which is why I put
into use that brain-dead inkjet.
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