Linux-Advocacy Digest #693, Volume #31 Wed, 24 Jan 01 00:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: So much for Linux being more Difficult than Windows
Re: Poor Linux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe
Re: Poor Linux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant (Lewis Miller)
Re: Poor Linux
Re: The Server Saga
Re: Legal status of Tux artwork (Mark Post)
Re: A salutary lesson about open source ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistent. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: So much for Linux being more Difficult than Windows ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: So much for Linux being more Difficult than Windows ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: A salutary lesson about open source ("Les Mikesell")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:13:31 -0500
Jan Johanson wrote:
>
> While little MiG tries to impress with some brochure sites...
>
> MediaWave is deploying over 3,100 windows 2000 advanced servers all over
> europe to handle multimillions of simultaneous audio and video streams.
And your point is?
>
> Talk about demanding! Is there even a streaming server available for linux?
Unix would do the same capacity with 300 servers.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2001/Jan01/01-22MediaWavePR.asp
Big fucking deal.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So much for Linux being more Difficult than Windows
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 04:15:35 -0000
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:34:50 +0200, Ayende Rahien <Please@don't.spam> wrote:
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 04:59:08 +0200, Ayende Rahien <Please@don't.spam>
>wrote:
>> >
>
>> >They don't need to have special support to 2000, they need to treat it
>like
>> >ME (actually, it's the other way around, but it doesn't matter at the
>> >moment.)
>> >It should go like this:
>> >A> Log on as administrator
>> >B> Go to Start>Settings>Network & Dial Up Connection
>> >C> double click Make New Connection
>>
>> ...wait for Win2K to dial the phone and waste quite a bit
>> of time fetching the local "approved" ISP list for your
>> area.
>
>Ha? What are you talking about? I've *never* seen it happening.
>What are you talking about.
That's part of the dialup networking connection wizard for
the OEM version of Windows2000 Pro/SP1.
>I don't live in the US, so it might be the reason for it, but nonetheless,
>I've never seen anything like you describe.
>Unless you talk about the thing that appears the first time you try to
>connect to the internet if you didn't set up a connection already?
[deletia]
Win2K pretty much wizards you to death.
--
Having seen my prefered platform being eaten away by vendorlock and
the Lemming mentality in the past, I have a considerable motivation to
use Free Software that has nothing to do with ideology and everything
to do with pragmatism.
Free Software is the only way to level the playing field against a
market leader that has become immune to market pressures.
The other alternatives are giving up and just allowing the mediocrity
to walk all over you or to see your prefered product die slowly.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Poor Linux
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:16:07 -0500
Kyle Jacobs wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > > GAME
> > > > SET
> > > > MATCH.... jerkoff
> > >
> > > No comment.
> >
> > translation: Kyle Jacobs acknowledges my victory over flat-head.
>
> No, it was distinctly "no comment" to your "MATCH.... jerkoff" line...
> Again, I have no comment as that making rude, personal and often undeserving
> comments about people on USENET is, cowardly, and wrong.
loser.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 04:18:17 -0000
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:11:35 +0800, nuxx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> A checkbutton in the installer that would yield a fully
>> functional version of the service. (unobsfuscations
>> excepted of course)
>>
>That would be nice. Unfortunately as it stands, it takes a skilled
>administrator about an extra 30 seconds to configure this service on
>install.
It's also another non-automated nuissance for the
"skilled adminstrator" to waste his relatively
valuable time on.
--
>
> ...then there's that NSA version of Linux...
This would explain the Mars polar lander problem.
Kyle Jacobs, COLA
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Poor Linux
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:17:13 -0500
Martin Eden wrote:
>
> Edward Rosten wrote:
> >
> > Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> ~snip~
> > > No, it was distinctly "no comment" to your "MATCH.... jerkoff" line...
> > > Again, I have no comment as that making rude, personal and often undeserving
> > > comments about people on USENET is, cowardly, and wrong.
> >
> > And trolling isn't?
> >
> > -Ed
>
> We're on alt.linux.sux.
And your point is?
> So by definition, you are trolling our group.
Wrong.
By definition, you're a fucking idiot.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 04:19:56 -0000
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 03:55:59 GMT, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 02:48:14 GMT, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>> >
>> >"Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:94kpnb$13e0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> : Not only would they have less performance, less reliability, and
>> >> : less remote management capability (Win2K terminal services rocks),
>> >>
>> >> Anyone who thinks Windows has better remotability than UNIX is
>> >> either ignorant or lying.
>> >
>> >Have you seen Windows terminal services?
>>
>> What difference would that make?
>>
>> At best,even swallowing Microsoft's own propaganda, it
>> would only buy you faster visual connectivity on low
>> bandwidth connections.
>>
>> OTOH, it is particular to Microsoft. Whereas telnet/X/ssh
>> clients and servers are widely available on multiple
>> platforms from VMS to Macintosh.
>
>Which doesn't matter much since 90+% of the machines out
>there are running Windows anyhow.
That still leaves lots of machines that may or may not
be up to the current Microsoft vendorlock revision.
This includes Windows machines.
...might put an interesting new twist on the TOTAL part of TCO.
--
>> Yes. And the mailer should never hand off directly to a program
>> that allows the content to take control.
>
>Well most mailers can, so I guess they all suck too.
Yup.
Candy from strangers should be treated as such.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lewis Miller)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant
Date: 24 Jan 2001 04:22:07 GMT
Kyle Jacobs was heard ranting about
<6G8b6.8467$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in alt.linux.sux on 22 Jan
2001
>"Lewis Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:94j2hc$pef$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> >Yes, actually, you of all people are totaly unfamiliar with the type
>> >of suffering that would occour. It's called USER INTERFACE, and UNIX
>> >inherently has poor ones. The average user isn't in the mood to
>> >learn the in's and out's of CDE or GNOME/"E". They like Windows
>> >explorer. They like Apple finder. Both of which may look totaly
>> >different, but they can claim one, unified thing:
>> >
>> >They are inutitive.
>>
>> Umm.. no. Apple, is actually far from intutive. Esp if you are smart.
>> If you already have a concept of how a file system works. Etc. The
>> more you understand how a computer works, the worse off a Mac seems.
>> MacOS is hands down POS. and shouldn't even be mentioned among other
>> OSs. And explorer can be a pain. Why is it when I think I've changed
>> the file assosiation in one part of explorer, later a completely dif
>> program will open it? I know I usually fix that by just jumping into
>> the Registry. But as you would say, that is far from intuitive.
>
>The registery is not intiutive. It's the back-end. It's for the
>"advanced operation". Fortunatly, it's not the default method to
>perform tasks. And why isn't Apple's finder interface intuitive? It
>provides everything needed in quite a clean, friendly look AND a
>functional, and integrated one as well.
>
>Near as I can recall, that IS the computer definition of intuitive.
NO inutuitve, Known or perceived through intuition. Instinctive. I am not
instinctivly drawn to click on words in the upper right hand corner of the
screen. Now a BUTTON that says START. I think I would want to push that.
MacOS is confusing, esp if you have used other machines. I want to set up a
printer. Now lets look at Windows, ok well to Start, I click Start, then
let see settings, printers. pretty straight forward. On MacOS? Ok I click
on an Apple in the upper right hand corner, then the menu slides back
because I didn't click and drag. So this time I click and drag. What
instinct is suppose to link the word Chooser, to Printer? And chooser?
That's an ugly fuckin control panel. And have you ever configured an Apple
Talk printer? It's fucked up as hell. You plug it in, and turn it on, and
wait. Did I miss something? I didn't name that printer, or assign it an
address, how am I supposed to connect to this? Thanks I'll stick with
JetAdmin and my TCP/IP HP printers.
>> >And USERS like that.
>>
>> Bah, screw the users. The users are sheep and will use what IT gives
>> them for the most part. They won't always like it, but they Will
>> adapt.
>
>This is disgusting thinking. The USERS have preferences. The USERS are
>also the people who have to LIVE with decisions made by IT. If trial
>runs of something new aren't liked, they are scapped. Especially when
>the "new" interfers with the ability to do work that the "old" had.
>
>Users like intuitive. IS likes stability. Guess who won out there.
Users like inutitive? But I thought WP wasn't intuitive? And word was?
Then why do all these users NOT want to stop using WP 5, and switch to Word
2K? I'm all for letting them keep WP, but the reasoning behind this? We
choose what they get and don't give them a choice. Because if we did we
would have 5 or more word processors of 3 differt versions, all over
campus. THEN you get to the spread sheet, and Browser software. It's not up
to us to support all this software, esp when only a few users like one. We
tell them what we support, and that's what they get. Sometimes...
>> >> > UNIX on the desktop isn't pretty.
>> >>
>> >> Neither are stock cars...yet they beat the pants off normal street
>> >> cars.
>> >
>> >Do you see America driving down the highway in a stock car? They
>> >don't BUY stock cars. They buy gas guzzeling monster SUV's because
>> >of one, simple factor; They like how they LOOK. But most
>> >importantly, they love how they look in them.
>>
>> And? This is a good excuse for windows? Ignorance? Sorry but we need
>> to find these ppl who think like this and have them either enslaved or
>> shot. We don't need ignorant yuppies running around anymore. Now
>> ignorant
>yuppies
>> who are puppets.. They can stay depending on who thier owner is.
>
>Go back to administrator hell.
What? I am an TechAdmin.. It's really not all that bad, until you get end
users involved. Blah idiots..
--
l8r
-LJM
a.k.a. Jaster Mereel
a.k.a. MrBobaFett
"Little things used to mean so much to Shelly. I used to think
they were kind of trivial. Believe me, nothing's trivial. "
-- Eric Draven, The Crow
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Poor Linux
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 04:23:05 -0000
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 04:01:31 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Kyle Jacobs wrote:
>
>> Oh, definitively Windows 2000.
>
>Oh please - so predictable, just parroting the party line...
>
>> Linux used to make my hard drive do a tap
>> dance when performing high-memory operations (creating big pictures under
>> GIMP), yet Windows 2000, similar software, similar application sizes.
You mean like 20M?
I do such things quite GIMP quite often.
It doesn't make the disk "tap dance". Although, Gimp's
scaling/previewing could use some optimization.
[deletia]
--
Section 8. The Congress shall have power...
To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for
limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their
respective writings and discoveries;
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: The Server Saga
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 04:25:40 -0000
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 04:07:18 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
>> By why do you help someone out in the wrong group?
>
>I'm not sure what you mean by "wrong group", Linux users
>tend to be generous and willing to help, regardless of "group".
Intent might be judged differently from one group to
another. Problems posted here will likely get some
scrutiny from me that they would not recieve if I
merely saw them in *setup or *hardware or posted
to some #linux channel on irc.
>
>You amused yourself by abusing that generosity. Your style
>is different from the other wintrolls (flatfish, chad, and kyle) but
>you're cut from the same cloth.
People like Pete are primarily why I have that outlook.
--
Having seen my prefered platform being eaten away by vendorlock and
the Lemming mentality in the past, I have a considerable motivation to
use Free Software that has nothing to do with ideology and everything
to do with pragmatism.
Free Software is the only way to level the playing field against a
market leader that has become immune to market pressures.
The other alternatives are giving up and just allowing the mediocrity
to walk all over you or to see your prefered product die slowly.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Post)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Legal status of Tux artwork
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 04:27:44 GMT
On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:25:47 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>What is the legal status of the Tux (Linux penguin) artwork? Is it
>public domain, GPL or some other license? The reason that I'm asking is
>that I'd like to sell tee shirts incorporating Tux, and want to ensure
>that it's legal before spending any money on prototypes.
>Please send any private responses to domain acm (at) org, user shmuel.
Shmuel, long time no type! According to the creator of Tux, Larry Ewing,
"Permission to use and/or modify this image is granted provided you
acknowledge me [EMAIL PROTECTED] and The GIMP if someone asks." You can
verify this at http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/
Mark Post
Postmodern Consulting
Information Technology and Systems Management Consulting
To send me email, replace 'nospam' with 'home'.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A salutary lesson about open source
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 04:28:47 GMT
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:Ryrb6.13067$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >
> > >Sun probably paid them a bunch to do it.
> >
> > I could see Sun giving them a discount to an aggressive purchasing
> > agent on a large piece of hardware, or a large farm of smaller
> > hardware, but I doubt they would pay Yahoo unless they expected
> > advertising revenue.
>
> That's what I meant, incentives, sorry. Although I wouldn't put signed
> checks past Sun.
So it might be something similar to the reason Dell uses IIS?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <Please@don't.spam>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistent.
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:17:55 +0200
Reply-To: "Ayende Rahien" <Please@don't.spam>
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:94lk0u$aok$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Ayende Rahien <Please@don't.spam> wrote:
>
> > "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:94ksde$prf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> > On 23 Jan 2001 16:32:47 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >> >>In comp.os.linux.advocacy T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >>> Said Kyle Jacobs in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 23 Jan 2001
> > 04:35:45
> >> >>> [...]
> >> >>>>I think distributing PDF format files is an excelent idea. Even if
it
> > does
> >> >>>>max bandwidth. [...]
> >> >>
> >> >>> PDF files are generally much smaller than their Word document
> >> >>> counterpart.
> >> >>
> >> >>In this vein, guess what happens to a W2K machine when you use
> > office2000
> >> >>to read a document you converted in staroffice from .rtf to .doc?
> >>
> >> > Now, why exactly would you bother?
> >>
> >> Because someone a few levels above me does not understand that unix
exists
> >> at all, let alone is an operating system that I use daily on my main
> > workstation;
> >>
> >> I sent him an .rtf document and he returned it saying "I cant open
> > anything thats
> >> not a .doc" (why is it that he clicks on every goddamn .exe he sees,
even
> > if its
> >> called "thisisavirusdontclickonit.exe", yet he refuses to
double-fucking
> > click
> >> on an .rtf?) Anyhow, I get it back, do the conversion in staroffice
under
> > Solaris,
> >> send it back and get a phone call.
>
> > Why?
> > Just rename the document's extention, that would open word, and word can
> > most certainly handle rtf files, unless someone has been messing
*really*
> > hard on hte convertors during install.
>
> No. RTF has a different encoding mechanism than DOC; (i.e. none)
> far, FAR less complex.
Doesn't matter.
Word will open the document, I'm not sure how it does it, but it doesn't do
it by the extention.
If you try to open an RTF document with doc extention in word, it will open
it just right.
Try & you'll see.
The reason for this is that extention is quite easily changable.
That is why most programs relies on file contents to identify the data
format the document is stored as (document mean here anything that is inside
a file).
I'm sure that you can find an OS image viewer somewhere and look how it
decide what image decoder to use in order to display the image, I would very
much doubt that it decides according to the exntetion.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <Please@don't.spam>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:20:40 +0200
Reply-To: "Ayende Rahien" <Please@don't.spam>
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Jan Johanson wrote:
> >
> > While little MiG tries to impress with some brochure sites...
> >
> > MediaWave is deploying over 3,100 windows 2000 advanced servers all over
> > europe to handle multimillions of simultaneous audio and video streams.
>
> And your point is?
>
>
> >
> > Talk about demanding! Is there even a streaming server available for
linux?
>
> Unix would do the same capacity with 300 servers.
Prove it.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <Please@don't.spam>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So much for Linux being more Difficult than Windows
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:21:28 +0200
Reply-To: "Ayende Rahien" <Please@don't.spam>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:34:50 +0200, Ayende Rahien <Please@don't.spam>
wrote:
> >
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 04:59:08 +0200, Ayende Rahien <Please@don't.spam>
> >wrote:
> >> >
> >
> >> >They don't need to have special support to 2000, they need to treat it
> >like
> >> >ME (actually, it's the other way around, but it doesn't matter at the
> >> >moment.)
> >> >It should go like this:
> >> >A> Log on as administrator
> >> >B> Go to Start>Settings>Network & Dial Up Connection
> >> >C> double click Make New Connection
> >>
> >> ...wait for Win2K to dial the phone and waste quite a bit
> >> of time fetching the local "approved" ISP list for your
> >> area.
> >
> >Ha? What are you talking about? I've *never* seen it happening.
> >What are you talking about.
>
> That's part of the dialup networking connection wizard for
> the OEM version of Windows2000 Pro/SP1.
Not on my machine, or any of those that I've seen.
Perhaps your OEM changed something.
Can anybody else comment on this?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <Please@don't.spam>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So much for Linux being more Difficult than Windows
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:22:46 +0200
Reply-To: "Ayende Rahien" <Please@don't.spam>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:36:20 +0200, Ayende Rahien <Please@don't.spam>
wrote:
> >
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:03:10 +0200, Ayende Rahien <Please@don't.spam>
> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"Russ Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:14:00 +0500, "Gary Hallock"
> >> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> [deletia]
> >> >More difficult? Hah!
> >> >Exactly *how*?
> >> >
> >> >What do you mean by ftp? client? server?
> >> >PWS is a free http & ftp server for windows 9x, it is somewhere in the
> >CD.
> >> >IIS is for NT.
> >> >Both OS has a builtin text-based ftp client, as well as IE capable of
> >> >functioning as FTP client.
> >>
> >> Then please outline the procedure for initiating an
> >> upload with IE5...
> >
> >Sure, open one window of explorer and navigate to the files that you want
to
> >copy, choose then and press CTRL+C
> >Then either type F6 & the ftp adress or open a new windows and enter the
ftp
> >adress in it.
> >Wait for it to login, press CTRL+V
>
> ...so much for drag & drop...
Perhaps you can, I haven't tried.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A salutary lesson about open source
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 04:37:42 GMT
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:Uxrb6.13066$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> > What advantage does ASP has outside of Windows over other languages?
> > On Windows, I can understand why it's the language of choice.
> > But outside of Windows? Why? (Truly interested in knowning, btw)
>
> Well, VBScript is incredibly easy to learn and use.
Would you care to show something that is easier in vbscript
than perl?
> For people just
> starting, and who don't want to use Windows/IIS for the web server,
> ChilliASP is a good way to get started. Learning Perl, Python,
> or PHP has a steeper learning curve and, in some cases, doesn't
> provide as many features.
There is the mod_perl module Apache::ASP if you thing there
is some esthetic magic about the <% ... %> construct embedded
in your html.
Les Mikesell
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