Linux-Advocacy Digest #708, Volume #26 Fri, 26 May 00 21:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (ZnU)
Re: democracy? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers. (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Installing Linux Mandrake 7.0 (JEDIDIAH)
Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000 (Marc van den Dikkenberg)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (JEDIDIAH)
Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX (JEDIDIAH)
Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers. (Steve)
Re: "Lean and mean" Mozilla (Christopher Wong)
Re: Thorne digest, volume 2451692 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers. (Matthias Warkus)
Re: democracy? (Lisa Le Fou)
Re: Thorne digest, volume 2451691 ("Mike")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 00:28:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Josiah Fizer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 26 May 2000 14:28:43 -0700, Josiah Fizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > >> Seán Ó Donnchadha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [deletia]
> > >> Anyways, its basically over. We're here where we are at, I lose work
> > >> in
> > >> Office whatever, deal with the crashes, get attacked by the latest
> > >> bug/virus/exploit, etc, watch my 'computing experience' hand me
> > >> 'illegal operation' notices and go home, have a beer, and hope
> > >> Bill's
> > >> greed and thoughtlessness brings him his just reward, a sound
> > >> buggering by Janet Reno and pals.
> > >>
> > >> Ok, rant off, carry on with your 'advocacy'.
> > >>
> > >> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > >> Before you buy.
> > >
> > >So uninstall it (gasp). Despite what MS wants you to think, you can
> > >remove
> > >IE and use the onle Windows 3.1 file manager.
> >
> > What do you think that statement proves?
> >
> > It only supports his rant. You are either given the choice
> > between
> > shovelware or a relatively crippled and ancient (abandoned) interface.
> > It
> > also highlights the fact that interfaces in Windows aren't quite as
> > seamless
> > as some would have you believe.
> >
>
> Eh? He was bitching that he is forced to use IE. Removing IE is not
> that hard.
So Microsoft has been perjuring itself again?
> What you seem to be saying is that he cant remove IE cause
> then he would be forced to use somthing other then IE.
--
The number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected.
-- The Unix Programmer's Manual, 2nd Edition, June 1972
ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | <http://znu.dhs.org>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: democracy?
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 01:34:41 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Salvador Peralta wrote:
>>
>> let's remember that the United States is not now, nor has it ever been a
>> democracy.
>
> Yes it is. It's a representative democracy. The people do rule, through
> their elected officials (in theory, at least).
Isn't ignorance bliss? The only thing that counts in America is money.
Your politics are incredibly corrupt. Of course so is the politics of most
1st world countries. The third world is worse for sure. But the USA should
set an example and it fails woefully. It appears that in the USA you can
fool most of the people most of the time. Very sad.
With regard to the earlier comment, in a previous post, about the average person
being stupid, this is unfortunately true. They aren't born stupid but develop the
trait through crap educational systems and a life where thinking does them no
good at all. Who benefits from this. Institutional religion and big business.
Hmm, that desribes the USA perfectly.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers.
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 00:29:38 GMT
On Fri, 26 May 2000 23:50:07 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I prefer to have the latest driver. Most hardware is supported out of
What's so 'complicated' about driving a printer that you would have
to worry about having the most 'bleeding edge' one. Besides, if your
OS vendor were less stingy about distribution, you wouldn't have to
worry about your drivers being 'old'.
>the box under Windows anyway. I like to be able to switch paper trays,
Most isn't QUITE good enough. All it takes is one driver disk to
confound some novice end users.
>switch resolutions, clean the nozzle, switch landscape and portrait
>easily without having to set up 15 different printer ques to do it.
OTOH, having to constantly futz with the printer configuration
is annoying rather than having several easy pre-canned configurations
that one could use.
Nevermind, why would you bother 'manually' cleaning the nozzle anyways.
That's just sooo 70's...
>
>
>
>On Fri, 26 May 2000 20:46:14 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 26 May 2000 20:02:15 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>>This is exactly what makes Linux so hysterical. You have to
>>>"experiment" with a piece of hardwre to make it work.
>>>
>>>Shit under Windows youplug it in, Windows prompts for a CD, prints a
>>>test page and that's it.
>>>
>>>Tell me again how Linux is easier to use?
>>
>> Easier would be not needing the 'extra' CD to begin with.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Fri, 26 May 2000 09:05:42 -0600, Chris Webster
>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Is there any way to make a Poscript "hello world" file to experiment with?
>>>>> I'm sure a Postscript guru could hand-make a "Hello World" file.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>%!PS-Adobe-1.0
>>>>% Print Hello world in lower left corner, portrait
>>>>/Times-Roman findfont 20 scalefont setfont
>>>>10 10 moveto
>>>>(Hello, world) show
>>>>showpage
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--Chris
>>>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Installing Linux Mandrake 7.0
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 00:31:32 GMT
On Fri, 26 May 2000 23:54:37 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Good for you. Mandrake is the best distro so far as I have seen..
>
>When you see how much you are giving up running Linux, however you
Like what exactly? (giving up that is)
>will be back to Windows.
[deletia]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marc van den Dikkenberg)
Crossposted-To: alt.lang.basic,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:31:20 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 24 May 2000 22:33:03 -0700, "Bob May" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Roger,
>>>Crashing daily.
>>Not a bug, since it does not generically do so. Must have been
>>something in the environment.
>Let me tell you about bugs in Win95 code! How does going through a
>computer and replacing parts until the problem stops sound to you?
>The computer that I am typing this on has had every part changed with
>different parts (including types) except for the monitor (running in
I hope you reinstalled windows too during the process?
Canhging criticfal parts like the motherboard can cause TONS of problems on
an existing installation -- even a different revision of the same brand +
type of motherboard can occasionally completely keeping it from finishing
booting...
--
Marc van den Dikkenberg
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 00:34:11 GMT
On 26 May 2000 21:55:49 +0400, Victor Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.misc JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>:>I like the ability of rpm to NOT install older or matching versions
>:>on top of what is running and to later tell me which files have been
>:>modified or are missing compared to the installed packages.
>:>
>:>Also, configure scripts don't know how to satisfy dependencies when
>:>you install several related things at once that must be done in a
>:>certain order. Rpm gets this right if you install them all in one
>:>command.
>
>: No it doesn't. Infact that's one of the most annoying things
>: about RPM. Given a collection of packages, it's unable to sort
>: things out for itself.
>
>
>Then why you all out there use RedHat deviatives?
I never took to Debian or any of it's derivatives.
[deletia]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 00:36:46 GMT
On Fri, 26 May 2000 23:51:06 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Defacto standard? Based on what? The number of users?
>
>I doubt that....
So, whatWd be the other 'competitors' then?
>
>
>
>On Fri, 26 May 2000 20:49:54 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
>wrote:
>
>
>> Ghostscript is typically what translates the defacto standard
>>Linux/Unix page layout language into something a particular printer
>>will understand.
>>
>>[deletia]
>
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In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 00:41:25 GMT
On Fri, 26 May 2000 23:53:24 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>ypical Linux bullshit...Config, config, config and waste more time
>with each config.
>
>On 26 May 2000 15:52:20 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>And the problem with that would be???? You don't actually need to
>>>>run GNOME, you just need the shared libs.
>>>
>>>You don't see a problem with requiring both Gnome and KDE? Oh, I take your
>>>point about the shared libs.
>>
>>Especially for your first look at Linux you should take both. You
>>can build a 'lean' version but not until you have seen enough
>>to know what to discard. If you want to go 'really lean', toss
>>all the config tools and just copy in working config files from
>>another system and edit to please.
>
>Yawwwnnnn...
Thank you for confirming for us the general opinion of
'choice' and 'free will' amongst the typical MS Shill.
>
>>>>Doesn't ghostscript take -r1440x720 as an argument?
>>>
>>>How does that help me?
>>
>>I thought that was the resolution you wanted on your epson.
>>Most graphic-capable programs are going to generate postscript
>>and since you don't have a postscript printer the lpr setup
>>will filter though ghostscript to render for the device.
>>Rendering at that resolution will be slow but it should work.
>>You might want to configure a 2nd printer with a different
>>name for the higher resolution so you don't take the extra
>>time for everything.
>
>So now we need 2 printers and 15 different printer ques to do what can
You really need to improve your reading comprehension skills.
He didn't say anything about multiple physical printers.
>easily be done with a $99.00 printer under Windows...
>
>Spare me please.....
You are the idiot that needs to spare US.
Ease:
Selecting "Low Resolution Printer" vs.
Selecting "Generic Printer"
Hunting and pecking for the resolution option.
Selecting the appropriate resolution option.
Even under Windows it makes more sense to do it the 'Unix way'.
[deletia]
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From: Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 00:42:30 GMT
Typical lost cause jedi reply. No wonder even the
Linux camp wants you to quit advocating for them.
1.Have not seen a printer that is not supported
under Windows and that includes 1985 variety dot
matrix Epsons.
Same for Linux? I think not. Maybe the 1985 model
but nothing modern other than PS printers.
2.Select a check box and the nozzle is cleaned.
3. select a check box and diagnostics are run.
4, Print a document and the box that comes up
prompts you for pages size, portrait/landscape,
resolution and paper tray. Nothing to remember.
What que was the high resolution que I set up
under Linux? Oh gee, I forget...
Give me a break..No comparison...
Stop trying to diffuse the obvious...
On Sat, 27 May 2000 00:29:38 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) wrote:
>On Fri, 26 May 2000 23:50:07 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>I prefer to have the latest driver. Most hardware is supported out of
>
> What's so 'complicated' about driving a printer that you would have
>to worry about having the most 'bleeding edge' one. Besides, if your
>OS vendor were less stingy about distribution, you wouldn't have to
>worry about your drivers being 'old'.
>
>>the box under Windows anyway. I like to be able to switch paper trays,
>
> Most isn't QUITE good enough. All it takes is one driver disk to
>confound some novice end users.
>
>>switch resolutions, clean the nozzle, switch landscape and portrait
>>easily without having to set up 15 different printer ques to do it.
>
> OTOH, having to constantly futz with the printer configuration
>is annoying rather than having several easy pre-canned configurations
>that one could use.
>
> Nevermind, why would you bother 'manually' cleaning the nozzle anyways.
> That's just sooo 70's...
>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Fri, 26 May 2000 20:46:14 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 26 May 2000 20:02:15 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>>>This is exactly what makes Linux so hysterical. You have to
>>>>"experiment" with a piece of hardwre to make it work.
>>>>
>>>>Shit under Windows youplug it in, Windows prompts for a CD, prints a
>>>>test page and that's it.
>>>>
>>>>Tell me again how Linux is easier to use?
>>>
>>> Easier would be not needing the 'extra' CD to begin with.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Fri, 26 May 2000 09:05:42 -0600, Chris Webster
>>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any way to make a Poscript "hello world" file to experiment with?
>>>>>> I'm sure a Postscript guru could hand-make a "Hello World" file.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>%!PS-Adobe-1.0
>>>>>% Print Hello world in lower left corner, portrait
>>>>>/Times-Roman findfont 20 scalefont setfont
>>>>>10 10 moveto
>>>>>(Hello, world) show
>>>>>showpage
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--Chris
>>>>
>>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Wong)
Subject: Re: "Lean and mean" Mozilla
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 00:46:46 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gary Hallock wrote:
>Christopher Wong wrote:
>> button. I know the usual explanations: not yet optimized, built with
>> debug info, ... etc. But somehow, people believe that Mozilla will have
>> a small footprint and good performance. In the absence of any concrete
>> proof whatsoever, I would like to hear reasons why such belief
>> exists. There must be some facts that I am missing so far. I am eager to
>> hear them. (no, "blind faith" does not qualify).
>
>I believe that Mozilla is currently built with all libraries statically
>linked. This was done for the beta to avoid dependency problems. The
>final release copy is supposed to be built with shared libraries making it
>much smaller. I'm not sure, but it is also likely that the beta was built
>without optimization and with debug enabled.
Thanks for responding, but I see that you did not answer my
question. Why do people ASSUME it will be lean and mean? Anyone else?
Chris
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Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Thorne digest, volume 2451692
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 00:50:15 GMT
Today's Thorne digest:
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Liar.
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Liar.
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1> Prove it, if you think you can. Are you taking inappropriate
1> posting lessons again, Tholen (little boy)?
Should have paid more attention to your reading comprehension than
your pasting, Thorne.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers.
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 19:18:52 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 26 May 2000 07:33:12 GMT...
...and Marada C. Shradrakaii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >But of course that's too much like making sense. You can't even get a
> >dot-matrix anymore. Noisy as fuck in a production run
> What's weird is that an Epson 440 inkjet I know vibrates more than
> the Panasonic 2135 dot-matrix it replaced. (It's admittedly quieter,
> but you expect it to start waddling across the room)
The problem with inkjets is that they've got a lot more reciprocating
mass than dot-matrix printers. They do not only need to move the head,
but the entire ink tank, too. And because the head itself works
faster, the head moves faster, too.
I consider the inkjet a technological dead end. I owned an HP DeskJet
660C for years and I now run an HP LaserJet IIIp. The inkjet is a 1995
or 1996 model; the laser was built in 1991 if I recall correctly.
However, the inkjet is more clumsy in almost all respects, has got
many more failure modes, vibrates like hell, is much slower...
mawa
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Subject: Re: democracy?
From: Lisa Le Fou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:52:09 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
Who benefits from this. Institutional religion and
big business.
>Hmm, that desribes the USA perfectly.
>
I seldom agree with the rightist pundit Arianna Huffington, but
she observes correctly that in the U.S. one's only real political
choices are the pro-choice corporate party and the prolife
corporate party. An observation that the country is run by
business and by religion is pretty well redundant. Churches own
huge commercial interests <see the Catholic or Mormon holdings)
to the point that donations are almost unnecessary. The churches
are themselves corporate giants, with the difference that they
are free of taxes.....
Lisa
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From: "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Thorne digest, volume 2451691
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:57:29 -0700
Jeeezus! I guess the OS/2 groups must be dead as the Tholen crap
has moved over here. Do you suppose you Tholen folks could consider
jumping on the BeOS bandwagon and taking your crap over there?
Or....you could all find hobbies.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Joe Malloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Today's Tholen digest...and all he can is repeat a few phrases which he
> has
> "popularized" and add a few words here or there. The sum total of them:
>
> [move along, c'mon, move along, there's nothing to see here]
>
> Thanks for reading!
> --
>
> "USB, idiot, stands for Universal Serial Bus. There is no power on the
> output socket of any USB port I have ever seen" - Bob Germer
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 20:06:27 -0500
On Fri, 26 May 2000 11:19:21 -0700, Peter Ammon
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Chris Wenham wrote:
>>
>> Seán Ó Donnchadha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > But end-user Unix applications are on average
>> > bloatier, buggier, uglier, much less usable, and overall shittier than
>> > their Windows counterparts.
>>
>> Can you give examples of this?
>
>The free ICQ client that I used with LinuxPPC was more unstable, harder
>to install, and harder to uninstall than both of the Mac ICQ clients
>I've used, and I presume the Windows ones too.
www.helixcode.com - try the desktop, and oh, get LinuxICQ too....
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