Linux-Advocacy Digest #708, Volume #28 Mon, 28 Aug 00 12:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Jason McNorton)
Re: Inferior Engineering of the Win32 Platform - was Re: Linsux as a desktop
platform (2:1)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("JS/PL")
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:47:02 -0300
"Aaron R. Kulkis" escribió:
> > > But the USA is the only country where the leftists have committed
> > > to causing societal collapse from within. If the US is weakened,
> > > the rest of the world is easily blackmailed.
> >
> > What exactly are you talking about? The more "leftist" countries, on
> > average, have lower poverty rates and better educational systems than we
> > do. How do you account for this? Do they simply have fewer of these
>
> The leftists in THIS country are in collaboration with the leftists
> in the other countries. The overall goal is to weaken the US relative
> to the other countries, so that the US will become even weaker than
> them. Simply put...a large percentage of the education establishment
> should be put on trial for treason.
>
> Do you not have a brain capable of figuring this out yourself?
Aaron, are you claiming that there is a conspiracy between school
teachers in the US, and, say, the french education minister, to
make the french students superior to the US ones?
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:41:50 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Joe Ragosta in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>wrote:
>
>> Said Aaron R. Kulkis in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>> >"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Said Joe Ragosta in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>> >> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> [...]
>> >> >> I never said "he" is not real. I said "JS/PL" is not real, other
>> >> >> than
>> >> >> as a pseudonym.
>> >> >
>> >> >You said "'JS/PL' isn't a real person." That's not saying that he's
>> >> >using a pseudonym.
>> >>
>> >> According to your interpretation, maybe. It is equivalent of saying
>> >> "'John Galt' isn't a real person", in my interpretation (and since I'm
>> >> the one that said it, I have slightly more say than you in its
>> >> meaning.)
>> >> You may note that "John Galt" has posted several times to Usenet.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Are you alleging that the posts signed JS/PL are actually written
>> >by bogie-men or ghosts or demons or something?
>>
>> I'm stating, quite plainly, that I have no idea who wrote them, and have
>> no interest in finding out. Frankly, I don't care.
>
>
>That's not what you stated.
>
>You stated over and over that JS/PL is not a real person.
>
>Please answer Aaron's question. Just who or what is posting to Usenet
>under that name if not a real person?
Please read my answer. I don't care.
--
T. Max Devlin
-- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
Research assistance gladly accepted. --
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:35:22 -0400
Joe Ragosta wrote:
>
> In article <fYkq5.20221$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Myers"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > It's simple: FUCK THEM!
> > >
> > > They had their chance to avail themselves to an
> > > education...AND THEY ****CHOSE**** not to partake.
> >
> > As easy as it sounds, that's not America. America was
> > built by successful, hard-working, independant people.
> >
> > Up until the socialist democrats came into power, is
> > continuing in that fashion.
> >
> > Now we have career welfare familys and single-parent
> > households whose only source of income is having
> > more children and slinging dope to buy that cadillac
> > while their children starve (yes, I've seen this happen
> > with my own eyes. I've seen families appear before court
> > who wouldn't pay their bills, their children had been
> > starving and were seized by Child Services but they had
> > two pedigree dogs that they fed gourmet dog food to)
> >
> > They've created a society of incompetent, uneducated,
> > worthless voters with which they can manipulate into
> > voting for them every election because "those mean
> > spirited Republicans" want to take everything away
> > and actually make them productive and self-reliant
> > again.
> >
>
> There's an interesting case I read about in the paper today. The
> government siezed custody of a 3 year old kid who weighed 120 lb, even
> though the doctors said that there was no immediate threat to her
> health. They claimed that there was no metabolic disorder (although "we
> couldn't find a metabolic disorder" would have been more plausible).
>
> So what do they do for an encore? Start taking kids away from parents
> who smoke? Start locking people up who are overweight?
>
> It's interesting that the Government who said that Elian should go home
> because parents should raise their children (a sentiment I agree with)
> was willing to take a kid away from her parents because she was
> overweight.
Obesity correlates very highly with declining IQ.
In this case, the 3-year old is a "proxy" for the parent's own eating
habits. (how much you want to bet that the parents each weigh
at least *double* the ideal weight on the 1959 Met Life charts?)
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:44:38 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Joe Ragosta in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
>The funny thing is that he hasn't even read Adam Smith's writing.
I said I've never read the entire text of The Wealth of Nations, not
that I haven read Adam Smith's writing.
>He's basing his comments on a feeling about what he thought Adam Smith
>wrote.
I'm basing my comments more on secondary references, not "what I thought
Adam Smith wrote". What other's though, notably when "others" were
authorities on the subject.
>At one point, he argued that since Adam Smith didn't post on Usenet,
>he'd be unable to find a reference.
>
>All this time I thought EdLOSE was the epitome of ignorance. Looks like
>T. Max may put him to shame.
I'll never be in your league, Joe. I just don't have the dedication to
ignorance that you do.
--
T. Max Devlin
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of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
Research assistance gladly accepted. --
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:50:55 -0300
"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
> >> >Are you alleging that the posts signed JS/PL are actually written
> >> >by bogie-men or ghosts or demons or something?
> >>
> >> I'm stating, quite plainly, that I have no idea who wrote them, and have
> >> no interest in finding out. Frankly, I don't care.
> >
> >
> >That's not what you stated.
> >
> >You stated over and over that JS/PL is not a real person.
> >
> >Please answer Aaron's question. Just who or what is posting to Usenet
> >under that name if not a real person?
>
> Please read my answer. I don't care.
But we care, that's why we ask. You see, if you believe there are
non-real
persons, or real non-persons posting on usenet, we would like to know...
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: Jason McNorton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:43:01 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > Said Chad Irby in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > >> Said Chad Irby in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> > >>
> > >> >Note that the two major US sub disasters of the last half-century
> > >> >occurred in deeper waters, and were over in a couple of seconds.
> > >>
> > >> Well, that's the story you heard, at least. When and where were they,
> > >> precisely?
> > >
> > >Start with the Thresher.
> > >
> > >It's interesting how you know so much about submarine accidents, but
> > >don't know about either of the two major American ones of the last
> > >half-century...
> >
> > What made you think I knew anything specific about submarine accidents?
> > I posted on emotional refutation against somebody's contention that they
> > were, essentially, quick and painless, as I read it.
>
> So, IOW, you don't know what you're talking about, but you don't mind
> spewing your feelings as if they're supposed to replace facts.
This is, afterall, usenet.. It's not a court of law where you're under
oath. Who cares if he wants to speak emotional opinions or not.
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Inferior Engineering of the Win32 Platform - was Re: Linsux as a desktop
platform
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:48:23 GMT
>Also, Win9x's design goal was to run on the same
hardware
> that typical Windows 3.x machines were running on in 1995 and be as
fast, or
> faster than Windows 3.x. All of which it achieved.
What?! I have never heard anyone claim thet win 95 is as fast as win3.x.
This also goes directly against my personal experience and the
experience of many people that I know. Try running them on an old 486.
95 is a little sluggish. On a fast pentium, win311 flies.
> > More of a case
> > in this regard could be made against NT Server - whether it was an
> > explicit design goal or not to provide a robust and powerful
platform
> > relative to the hardware investment, given what it's marketed as, it
> > should have been. Running video drivers in kernel space, and having
no
> > gui-less operating mode, are arguably major design flaws for any
> > server OS.
>
> Arguably. Lots of things run in kernel space on various Unix servers.
> Linux now has a new kernel space web server. There are telnet servers
that
> run in kernel space and sockets that run in kernel space.
You can choose not to run these thing in kernel mode. Yopu do not have
thet choice with NT. For a dedicated webserver, it might be useful.
> > Examples of these problems are not hard to find. Start with the
> > placement of the window control widgets -
> > minimise-maximise/restore-close clustered together is a poor design.
> > The Mac OS9 and prior layout, placing close on the opposite corner
> > from the others is a better design.
>
> Again, this is subjective. I don't find them to be a poor design at
all.
> Anywhere you put them, people will accidentally hit them.
It is much easier to hit them accidently in Windows, where they are next
to other commonly used buttons. I used macs for quite a while (a while
ago) and I never _once_ accidently hit close when I didn't mean to. I
cannot (still) say the same about windows.
> No "inconsistent version of explorer" is used. Explorer is used. The
start
> menu is just another directory in your file system, and explorer is
opened
> up in that directory.
You can't go up from that directory to a higher one, though. It,
therefore works differently to most instances of explorer, therefore it
is inconsistent. That's how it woprks on this 95 machine here, anyway.
>
> I don't see what's so hard about right clicking on the start menu and
> choosing "open" to find where to edit it. Although with IE4 and 5 you
That's another inconsistency. it uses a slightly different instanec of
explorer top edit it, if invoked from there,
> > Ever try to drag and drop to an app running on the taskbar? Again,
> > they went to the trouble to describe how drag and drop should work
in
> > their own guidelines, then disregard those guidelines entirely
> > themselves.
>
> And what part of the guideline does this violate? I notice your
arguments
> are getting to be more hand waving than substance as your argument
rolls on.
You cannot just drag an icon to a running app on the taskbar. You drag
the icon on to the task bar, wait for the app to be raised, then drag it
on to the app. That is not how the rest of DnD on win 95 works. The rest
of DnD is consistent with MS's guidelines, this is different, therefore
it does not comply with the guidelines. That is not a handwaving
argument. Try it, I did just a second ago.
(sys tray stuff...)
> That's entirely application defined. The taskbar tray might not be
used for
> interaction at all. It might just be a visual notification.
So the operation of bits on the systray is not consistent. It would be
easy to make it consistent for instance if you click (or was that double
click) on a tray button used only for visual notification, it could
bring up a box telling you there was nothing to do. That would be better
than leaving the user wondering why it hasn't worked.
> > Consistency - MS tools are hideously inconsistent in dozens of
areas.
> > In most apps, for instance, alt-e f (menu-edit find) activates the
> > find function. But in notepad, it's alt-s f (menu-find search.)
>
> This is a legacy application left over from the 3.x days. They can't
change
> it because many applications rely on it being there, and having the
same
> menu items. Screen readers, for instance.
Why did they nedd to change it? Is inttroduced a quite unnecessary
inconsistency, where there was none before.
> > You close (alt-f c) a window, you exit (alt-f x) an application.
Well,
> > at least in Win3.1 you did. In 95 and later, that's still usually
> > true, but not always - another consistency problem detracting from
> > useability, and very typical.
>
> There is a certain amount of inconsistency here. But I've seen lots
of Mac
> apps that use inconsistent interfaces in the past as well.
Just becuase Macs have the same inconsistency doesn't make it OK. It is
still a bad thing.
(interface hall of shame comment...)
> He also makes the proclamation that seperate windows for folders and
files
> is the correct way of doing things. I disagree. A single, unified
> interface is much easier to learn and use than seperate ones. Apple
> understands this, which is why their finder has a unified interface.
I have to disagree. Having 2 panes makes it much easier to navigate than
a single unified one. And again, if Apple got it worong, it doesn't make
it OK that MS got it wrong too.
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:57:33 -0400
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> That would depend on who made that call, and what the content of the
> conversation was. If it was me calling 'JS/PL's local police
> department, I would be right, as I'd have a claim of the sort you speak
> of (I have evidence he has attempted and possibly succeeded in
> determining where I live). If its 'JS/PL' making the call, he's going
> to have to explain why he doesn't post with his real name, and yet is
> worried I'm out to get him when I have no idea who he is.
Of course I know where you live, it not a spectacular leap when you post
with your real name and your sh^tty news server posts your fricking IP
address. Come on.... that's equal to posting a driving map to your house!
Do you think I *wouldn't* try and find out where your posting from after you
send a death threat to me?
Most sane people would call that "Identifying the threat".
I know the exact driving time from your house to mine, and when the time
span between your posts exceed that time I make a mental note of it. Anyone
who makes death threats so "off the cuff" MUST be somewhat of a psychopath,
am I not correct.
The fact that you are too dim to identify me is quite comforting though,
especially since you say you want to kill me.
BTW I never knew exactly who you were until I discretely posted the name
"Timothy" into that make believe newsgroup name (as bait), and you yourself
confirmed it! Dumb ass.
It allowed me to fax totally accurate info along with my complaint to the PA
Bureau of Criminal Investigation, a division of the Attorney Generals
office. Im actually pretty surprised you haven't heard from them yet. They
seemed very interested when they called me, and you are in fact under
investigation. But then...they tend to swoop down on criminals without much
warning, maybe they'll come to get you at work while other officers of the
law are searching and siezing at your house. Are ypu ready for law to come
and get you.
How do the turned tables feel?
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