Linux-Advocacy Digest #708, Volume #33 Thu, 19 Apr 01 21:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Who votes for Sliverdick to be executed: AYEs:10 NAYS:0 (1 ABSTAIN) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: What's the point (B'ichela)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Mike Billups)
Re: What's the point (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Postgres 7.1 Released (mlw)
Re: What's the point (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Nomen Nescio)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Who votes for Sliverdick to be executed: AYEs:3 NAYS:0 (1 ABSTAIN) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Who votes for Sliverdick to be executed: AYEs:10 NAYS:0 (1 ABSTAIN)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:45:36 -0400
"Gunner ©" wrote:
>
> On 19 Apr 2001 01:30:48 GMT, "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >If he truly is guilty of a capital offense, then the end result will
> >be similar. But it will have been arrived at legitimately, without
> >making criminals out of all of us.
> >
> >
> >Joe
>
> Joe..you are missing the point. I take it you came in late. Sliverdick
> WANTS pure democracy. He wants the willadapipple to be first and
> foremost. The Democratic and Legal (by his own definition) way to settle
> the matter is by mob rule...er.. a legal Democratic election. So far..
> the Ayes have it. Now that you understand that based on SDs OWN stated
> desire for pure Democracy.. how do you vote?
>
> Gunner
>
> ""The greatest evil is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried and minuted)
> in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices...like the
> bureaucracy of a police state or a thoroughly nasty business concern."
> C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B'ichela)
Subject: Re: What's the point
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:27:52 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:13:45 -0700, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This may not come as a surprise, but there are a lot of 30+ year olds in
>the U.S. that have a hard time reading a simple newspaper. That's why
>us older folks are being asked to come back to work because the younger
>generation can't read the technical manuals or follow simple written
>instructions. Very pathetic.
I know lots of those people who the minute I try to teach them
Unix using a very simplified textbook, slam the book down and refuse
to read it based on its thickness! These same people cry "B'ichela" when
trying to program their VCR or set up a simple Direct-TV (single LNB)
sattelite system!
I was taught the old way, by books. I am 33, female and
college educated! I learn by doing things and I am not afraid of
failure. Heres a Linux Example of my thinking:
I have a ancient Adaptec ACB-4070 bridgeboard. its old, crufty
and not fully Scsi-1 complient (it lacks the identify Scsi command). I
wanted to put it to use. I asked on comp.periph.scsi if anyone had
pointers for software or manuals (I had none). I got lots of help and
manuals to configure and interface.
This board CLEARLY was RTFM! I had to hack the Linux 2.0.38
scsi.c routine to add the proper kludges. Please NOTE! I don't know
advanced C at all, yet I pressed on. With my K&R Ansi C manual and a
book from Kochan to learn C I began to get the thing working
(unforcunatly its a RLL board and I only had a MFM drive. Drive not
RLL friendly). After several days of printing and reading and failed
compiles I got the driver to at least talk to the board. Because my
drive was not RLL I could not sucessfully low level it.
What I learned in the end was several things
1. If I want it done. I gotta do the homework.
2. Dont make a new Lilo boot until your loadlin bzImage version is
working right. I learned this one long ago. Glad I though of this
before potentially distroying a stable system ;)
3. I learned some things about pointers and structs.
4. MFM drives don't do RLL well.
5. Learned about how the Scsi Bus operates in reguards to the level 0
and level 1 command sets.
My friends who are not very good at technoligy at all sat
there flabergasted that I was not afraid to tackle such a project.
They told me that they would have just thrown the board out.
The same goes with dealing with simple Sattelite dish
installations. I did both a single LNB DTV system and a Dish Network
Dish 500 system. What I learned was invaluable in the future
installation of dish systems.
As for the ACB-4070 bridgeboard project? I need a RLL drive if
I want to give it another go or a ACB-4000a bridgeboard (its the MFM
version). Personally I still want to use this sucker! anyone got
either a RLL drive or the ACB-4000a bridgeboard laying around I would
like to have it.
--
B'ichela
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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:02:34 -0700
From: Mike Billups <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Windows is Good enough at a good enough price. By saying that you buy the
best at the lowest price you ar not saying that the product you buy is the best
overall. This statement is a compromise. If one product is not quite as good
but significantly cheaper to overcome is shortcomings you are buying the best
product at the lowest price. The assumption could be made that you start at the
lowest price and find the best product from there. In other words you are
buying the best product from a selection of cheap crap.
Your statments are narrow sighted. These statments are based on a solid
buisiness policy. However the decision to buy Windows based PCs was probably
made a few years ago. The same policy applied now may not produce the same
result.
You statement is also naive. Microsoft was not brought to trial because of
the quality of its products. There are no laws AFAIK that prevent companies
from selling crappy products, as long as they are not dangerous. Companies
cannot sell a defective product, and Microsoft is arguable guilty of this, but
that is not the basis of the DOJ case. Also contrary to popular belief, being a
monopoly is not illegal, and this is not the basis of the DOJ case. I have to
wonder if you really know what the trial is about. Microsoft was brought to
trial because it used its monopoly position as leverage against its
competitors. The MS representatives were arrogant during the trial, pissing off
the judge, and the facts presented were against them. They lost because the DOJ
lawyers presented a much better case and the judge was insulted and disgusted
with the behavior of the MS lawyers and representatives. If you thumb you nose
at authority your gonna get in trouble.
Now in the PC world now we are actually starting to see competition. MS is
afraid of the advances being made in its two biggest rivals for the PC desktop,
Mac and LINUX. Both of these OSes have made huge strides and improvements and
are seriously challenging Windows in all technical aspects. The only
significant advantage Windows has going for it right now is marketshare. This
has resulted in MS pushing hard to improve Windows. Win2K is the best windows
ever, and Xp looks to be pretty good also. Would all of these improvements
happen without the competition, maybe maybe not, statistically the chances are
much better that improvements will continue with heated competition. The DOJ
case and the breakup are extreme measures but they are coming from a need to
trim the MS wings so they play on a more equal field and we can really see what
the coder geniuses can come up with.
Competition is good! You should like it! It keeps Microsoft on its toes to
improve Windows more and more. I have never understood why people don't get
that. Do you not want good quality products? Do you believe that a one OS
world will truly be better? Do you think that the American car companies would
have ever started producing better quality cars if the japanese hadn't started
kicking their @sses? Are you an idiot?
Mike
My opinions are my own.
JS PL wrote:
> As hard as it may be to believe, even in Washington, price and quality have
> some value. When a reporter asked why her agency uses Microsoft products,
> Reno explained that her procurement policy is to "buy the best equipment
> possible at the lowest price possible to benefit the American taxpayers."
>
> That's quite a concession. The purpose of American anti-trust law is not to
> prop up corporations that are losing market share, but to protect consumers.
> If Windows is the "best" available operating system at the "lowest possible
> price," it's hard to see what good it does Microsoft customers to split the
> company in half.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's the point
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:05:47 +1200
Dave Martel wrote:
>
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:20:42 +1200, Matthew Gardiner
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Question is, why use ext2fs
> >when a better alternative is already available?
>
> Because Norton Ghost works with ext2 but not with ReiserFS.
How many use Norton Ghost? Apart from large organisations that
standardise their desktops to Linux.
Matthew Gadiner
--
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
Running SuSE Linux 7.1
The best of German engineering, now in software form
------------------------------
From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Postgres 7.1 Released
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 19:15:21 -0400
"Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
>
> mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : One feature I simply love about postgres is the ability to create an index
> : based on a function, as in:
>
> : create index fubar_ndx on table (function(column)) ;
>
> I've got users who need to efficiently search a table with 9 million
> records (and growing at 60%/year) on the *width* of the contents of a
> particular field.
>
> Postgres could do this without a problem by using the kind of index
> you described. MS SQL Server can't, and we're currently trying to
> figure out what sort of ugly kludge will be necessary in order to
> simulate the comparable functionality. More than likely, we'll have
> to create a separate field holding the width of the contents of the
> one we actually care about, but the work needed to keep it in sync
> with the contents will greatly complicate and slow down every other
> part of the program.
>
> Joe
Hey, if you need any tips about how to make Postgres fast or do what you want,
I have been hacking it for a while and I have some pretty neat functions that
make searching very fast (and easy).
Just drop me an e-mail off line.
--
I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
========================
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's the point
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:28:08 +1200
<snype>
> I know lots of those people who the minute I try to teach them
> Unix using a very simplified textbook, slam the book down and refuse
> to read it based on its thickness! These same people cry "B'ichela" when
> trying to program their VCR or set up a simple Direct-TV (single LNB)
> sattelite system!
> I was taught the old way, by books. I am 33, female and
> college educated! I learn by doing things and I am not afraid of
> failure. Heres a Linux Example of my thinking:
> I have a ancient Adaptec ACB-4070 bridgeboard. its old, crufty
> and not fully Scsi-1 complient (it lacks the identify Scsi command). I
> wanted to put it to use. I asked on comp.periph.scsi if anyone had
> pointers for software or manuals (I had none). I got lots of help and
> manuals to configure and interface.
> This board CLEARLY was RTFM! I had to hack the Linux 2.0.38
> scsi.c routine to add the proper kludges. Please NOTE! I don't know
> advanced C at all, yet I pressed on. With my K&R Ansi C manual and a
> book from Kochan to learn C I began to get the thing working
> (unforcunatly its a RLL board and I only had a MFM drive. Drive not
> RLL friendly). After several days of printing and reading and failed
> compiles I got the driver to at least talk to the board. Because my
> drive was not RLL I could not sucessfully low level it.
> What I learned in the end was several things
> 1. If I want it done. I gotta do the homework.
> 2. Dont make a new Lilo boot until your loadlin bzImage version is
> working right. I learned this one long ago. Glad I though of this
> before potentially distroying a stable system ;)
> 3. I learned some things about pointers and structs.
> 4. MFM drives don't do RLL well.
> 5. Learned about how the Scsi Bus operates in reguards to the level 0
> and level 1 command sets.
>
> My friends who are not very good at technoligy at all sat
> there flabergasted that I was not afraid to tackle such a project.
> They told me that they would have just thrown the board out.
> The same goes with dealing with simple Sattelite dish
> installations. I did both a single LNB DTV system and a Dish Network
> Dish 500 system. What I learned was invaluable in the future
> installation of dish systems.
>
> As for the ACB-4070 bridgeboard project? I need a RLL drive if
> I want to give it another go or a ACB-4000a bridgeboard (its the MFM
> version). Personally I still want to use this sucker! anyone got
> either a RLL drive or the ACB-4000a bridgeboard laying around I would
> like to have it.
>
> --
>
> B'ichela
Thank god I'm not the only one who still reads, I was beginning to think
that I was some sort of weirdo. From the number of people who complain,
I swear, no one must ready books any more. From the age of 9, yes 9, I
started reading computer books, learning how to program in AmigaBASIC,
learning how to type better documents. Why has there been this darth of
people willing to learn? has it become un-fashionable? Instead of
watching television, maybe the general populous should go back to the
fine art of reading, and learning, then maybe technology will be able to
move forward, and people will be able to be more resourceful, such as
the case with the SCSI card you mentioned in your post.
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
Running SuSE Linux 7.1
The best of German engineering, now in software form
------------------------------
From: Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Crossposted-To: soc.singles,alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 01:30:16 +0200 (CEST)
Tomaz Cedilnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Soro wrote:
>
> > So one the one hand you have the technically aware user who can compile
> > their own kernel on their homebuilt box while on the other you have the
> > great unwashed that definately could not (and never will) handle having to
> > manually edit myriads of files and crap all over the place just to get
> > filesharing working. They either are not technically minded or they simply
> > can't be buggered putting the time in to learn how as they have other
> > things they'd like to do with their lives. I mean, just because you want to
> > buy and drive a car doesn't mean you'll have to know how to tune it or
> > rebuild the transmission yourself.
>
> You take the car on service for that. Or if you want to upgrade the
> transmision.
>
> Why wouldn't a user take his Linux machines on service when he wants
> upgrade the kernel or install some software? Why would they only do that
> for hardware problems? (As some experienced users add a card or change a
> harddisk themselves, other experienced users would upgrade the kernel
> themselves.)
because it would cost them more than they paid for thier machine in the
first place
ya retard
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:26:13 -0400
theRadical wrote:
>
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:40:32 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >The captain wasn't even on the bridge. The HELMSMAN was steering the
> >ship, not the Captain....
> >
> >In such circumstances, the Captain BELONGS off the bridge, because
> >he only gets in the way of the Helmsman and the Officer of the Deck.
> >
> >
> >
>
> good one. that is the stupidest fucking thing i have ever read.
You have no idea how large craft actually operate, do you?
> where did you pick that up, from all the merchant mariners you blow?
What part of "The captain doesn't man the helm" do you not understand?
The HELMSMAN mans the helm (translation: he steers).
The officer of the deck tells the helmsman what course to steer.
In dangerous waters, especially ports, straights, canals, etc., the
captain has ZERO responsibility for the course of the ship...that is
turned over to local navigators who know the local waters (depths,
currents, wrecks, shoals, sandbars, etc.) thoroughly.
The captain's job is to see to it that the ship performs it's mission.
For the most part, that means lots of paperwork. Conducting inspections
throughout the ship, etc.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Who votes for Sliverdick to be executed: AYEs:3 NAYS:0 (1 ABSTAIN)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:26:53 -0400
silverback wrote:
>
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:13:39 -0400, Rob Robertson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >>
> >> Who is Silverdick?
> >
> > Glen "silverback" Yeadon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >also known as "The Global Village Idiot."
>
> no fraud the village idiot is you
so says sliverdick, the sideshow retard.
>
> >
> >> Matthew Gardiner
> >
> >_
> >RR
>
> ***********************************************
>
> GDY Weasel
> emailers remove the spam buster
>
> For those seeking enlightenment visit the White Rose at
>
> http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/whiterose.htm
>
> *********************************************
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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