Linux-Advocacy Digest #51, Volume #27 Tue, 13 Jun 00 11:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux advocate trapped inside a Windows Box (2:1)
Re: Open Source Programmers Demonstrate Incompetence (2:1)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Jacques Guy)
Re: Open Source Programmers Demonstrate Incompetence (Jacques Guy)
Re: Linux faster than Windows? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Microsoft Stocks and your sanity... (Pete Goodwin)
Mig Mig (David Smyth)
Re: Open Source Programmers Demonstrate Incompetence (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Marty)
Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451709 (Marty)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north ("Joe Malloy")
Re: Tholen digest, volume 2451709.46784^-.0000000000000565 ("Joe Malloy")
Re: G4 in space! (dss)
Re: Microsoft Stocks and your sanity... (Salvador Peralta)
Re: G4 in space! (Bill Vermillion)
Re: There is only one innovation that matters... (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Re: G4 in space! (Jim)
Re: G4 in space! (Tom Elam)
Re: vote on MS split-up ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: G4 in space! (Jim)
Re: G4 in space! (Jim)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux ("Robert L.")
Re: G4 in space! (Mayor)
Re: democracy? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: democracy? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Microsoft Stocks and your sanity... ("Robert L.")
Re: G4 in space! (Jim)
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux advocate trapped inside a Windows Box
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:12:33 +0100
> Oh yeah, 5.x had a somewhat broken version of adduser; I had to add my
> users, then go edit the passwd file and remove the password key, then log on
> to the account and set a password. The "GUI" version of adduser worked the
> same way, I believe. It just wasn't as polished as the new version.
>
You what?! I have RH5.2 and no adduser problem.
adduser foo
passwd foo
foo_passwd
no problem.
-Ed
--
The day of judgement cometh. Join us O sinful one...
http://fuji.stcatz.ox.ac.uk/cult/index.html
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Open Source Programmers Demonstrate Incompetence
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:14:57 +0100
Donal K. Fellows wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > pie@nowhere wrote:
> >> Use Java. Be smart. Who cares about C any more.
> > You are really stupid.
>
> Why, O eloquent fount of boundless wisdom?
I think you mean font of wisdom (I apologide it was just a typo).
Many, many people still care about C. I'd like to see an OS written in
Java. Besides, I was in a bad mood at the time.
>
> Donal.
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The day of judgement cometh. Join us O sinful one...
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Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:30:00 -0700
From: Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Mig Mig wrote:
> To make things even worse for Micros~1 major electronic retailers here will
^^^^
> offer PC's wiht Linux and StarOffice
If I were being sarcastic, I would ask "where is 'here', [EMAIL PROTECTED]?"
Looking closer for a likely origin I guess that "here" is Denmark and
Mig Mig is not a brace of Russian jet fighters, but Danish for "Me Me".
Have I guessed right?
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Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:43:21 -0700
From: Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Open Source Programmers Demonstrate Incompetence
Craig Kelley wrote:
> This is more symptomatic of the C-family languages being awful than
> anything else.
> It's 2000, and we're still writing most of our software in a language
> that can't even garbage collect
But, which affordable languages do you know that do automatic
garbage collections? The first and last I used for a long time
was Simula 67. I do not remember if Oberon did, but I dropped
Oberon: there were only Windows versions available. I have found
two years ago, a nice language that does garbage collections,
but I can never reliably tell how much free RAM I have left :-(
Yes, I can, when my programs slow down so much that I suspect
that it is swapping to disk. I call prevent it from swapping to
disk, but then, it aborts without warning if it ever runs out
of memory. So, to come back to my point, what is there that
garbage-collects (apart from Euphoria, the language in question,
which you now have for Linux too).
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Subject: Re: Linux faster than Windows?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: 13 Jun 2000 13:47:49 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan Ohlsson) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>I don't believe Linux is 2-3 times faster than windows either, at least
>not generally. Possibly in some very specific circumstances.
>
>However, I'm not sure I can accept the povray test, because altough you
>used the same scene and a version of povray on both systems there's
>nothing saying that they are equal. The version on windows is as you
>said yourself is different in how it renders to screen. What guarantees
>that that there are not significant differences in the rendering code as
>well?
The windows version I allowed to render to the screen; the Linux version I
deliberately switched off that feature, thereby giving Linux a slight edge.
Even still it ran slower than the Windows version.
Both versions were V3.1g - built by the POV team themselves.
>For a fair test, find a version of povray and compile it yourself for
>both machines. That way there are no hiddens/unknowns that can skew the
>test. (except for compiler differences)
I've been thinking of doing just that. I've got the sources so I could go
ahead and build a version for Windows and one for Linux.
However, I found that POVray website has a link to POV benchmarks. The
results there are _very_ interesting. The faster single CPU systems are all
Windows, with Linux way down the list.
The multiple CPU systems have Linux higher up, but then I didn't see too
many multiple CPU NT/2000 systems on the list.
>Also, make sure no other more or less time-consuming tasks are running
>on either system.
When I ran the test there was nothing else running.
>An interesting test would be to run 4 or 5 (or more) concurrent povray
>sessions and see how good the systems are in the taskswitching
>department.
That's not how you would normally run POVray!
--
============
Pete Goodwin
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Subject: Re: Microsoft Stocks and your sanity...
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: 13 Jun 2000 13:55:44 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>I think it's funny to see all these investors flooding the Linux
>Advocacy.
Investors? Where?
>It just proves a very strategic point that Linux is INDEED a threat to
>Windows...
Yep, Linux is a threat alright, if you see it as such.
>Why else would all these magnificent jerkwads be here on our advocacy
>posting if it weren't a threat.
Perhaps to tell you of the error of your ways...
>They BOAST linux is hard to install, Windows 98 runs faster, there's
>more hardware support for Windows, Windows has more applications,
>Windows runs better.
>
>When in reality it doesn't do any of these things.
Ah yes, that's what the simple benchmarks I've done is telling. Linux is
faster than Windows (not true), Linux is easier to install than Windows
(again not true: it couldn't figure out my AHA1520 and my SB16), Linux has
more hardware support than Windows (liar!), Linux has more applications
than Windows (again, lying through your teeth)...
>And by posting to this group, they intend to SUPPORT their failing OS
>by posting weird untrue articles as if Linux Advocacy were hooked
>to QVC of the Home Shopping channel....
Windows 98 SE, ME and 2000 are hardly failing. The articles I've posted
have been the truth.
>The more they post, the closer to the end for Microsoft in their own
>words, emotions, and comments...
And the more rabid and incredible the claims you post.
>They are living in fear of the future right now. They know it doesn't
>look good for Microsoft.
You mean Microsoft might face the axe and be cut in two. Not such a bad
thing. Might stop them doing such idiotic things as they did in the past.
As for Windows fading away, I doubt it.
>They are our barometer for Microsoft's death.
Your rantings are the desperate mouthings of someone realising what he's
chosen isn't quite delivering what he'd hoped for.
>As time progresses on, it will get worse for the Linux Advocacy.
>The diareah of the Wintrolls will continue until the Federal Judge
>pulls the handle of that majic toilet and it will all be over.
So you predict the demise of Windows do you? We'll see...
>Don't forget to wipe.
Don't forget to start weeping when it doesn't happen.
--
============
Pete Goodwin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Smyth)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Mig Mig
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:08:45 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've just discovered "Mig Mig" has splashed my name all over this
newsgroup. He has my e-mail address but did not take the time to send
me an e-mail to let me know he was attributing all sorts of things to
me. But I generally discard e-mails from newsgroups so it may be
possible he e-mailed me and I deleted it without reading. I would
have e-mailed him this message but he uses the address <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
For those of you who have called me a liar perhaps you may like to
reconsider.
For those of you who believe I am a student (as indicated by "Mig
Mig") you may like to check
http://genepi.qimr.edu.au/general/about.html. Toward the bottom of
the page will be my contact details. This is where I work. I haven't
been a student for some time.
As for Mr "Full Name" thanks for the e-mail. However, I think it
might be time for you to stop tormenting these people. Because of the
"Mig Mig" guy it seems to have gotten out of hand. Its not much fun
to be called a liar by someone you have never met just because you and
I have used the same modem bank (along with about 200 other people).
As for "Mig Mig", I've read some of your posts and all I can say is
that you are a very foolish. They are recorded on dejanews and I'll
be sending copies of them along with my complaints to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] You'll probably will just switch to another
ISP. Frankly I don't care.
David Smyth
IT Support
Queensland Institute of Medical Research
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Open Source Programmers Demonstrate Incompetence
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:20:56 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote on Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:14:57 +0100 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Donal K. Fellows wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 2:1
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > pie@nowhere wrote:
>> >> Use Java. Be smart. Who cares about C any more.
>> > You are really stupid.
>>
>
>
>> Why, O eloquent fount of boundless wisdom?
>I think you mean font of wisdom (I apologide it was just a typo).
>
>Many, many people still care about C. I'd like to see an OS written in
>Java. Besides, I was in a bad mood at the time.
I don't know anything about it apart from its existence, but there
is (or was) a beast named JavaOS.
Unknown what it runs on, hardware wise.
[.sigsnip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- slightly weird idea, that ... but it would probably
do some elegant things :-)
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:22:19 GMT
Daniel Johnson wrote:
>
> "Leslie Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8i3529$2pha$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <kO315.6297$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Daniel Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [snip]
> > >I think it ironic that you say this, while I argue with others on this
> > >thread that it is *not* wrong for Microsoft to make improvements to their
> file
> > >formats and protocols, rather than sticking with decades old Unix
> > >technologies.
> >
> > Beg your pardon? When did Microsoft *ever* stick to standard
> > formats and protocols? If the one they replaced was problematic,
> > it was entirely their own problem that they invented and sold
> > us.
>
> I am not aware of any case where MS stuck with decades old
> Unix technology without at least trying to make *some* improvements.
>
> So I guess the answer is "never".
What about Hotmail? What they attempted with it was a far from an
improvement, hence they stuck with BSD.
MS also bragged about how their media production facilities were not prone to
virii because they were using Unix boxes. [anybody still have a link to that
web page?]
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451709
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:25:26 GMT
tinman wrote:
>
> Can you do better?
"I am disrespectful to dirt. Join me or die! Can you do any less?"
- Mr. Sparkle, The Simpsons.
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From: "Joe Malloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:21:01 -0400
Tholen tholes:
> >> Did you bother to read my response, Chris?
>
> > Yes.
>
> Then how did you manage to miss my logical response?
There wasn't one there, Tholen, what else?
--
"USB, idiot, stands for Universal Serial Bus. There is no power on the
output socket of any USB port I have ever seen" - Bob Germer
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From: "Joe Malloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tholen digest, volume 2451709.46784^-.0000000000000565
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:21:03 -0400
Today's Tholen digest, in which every salient point Tholen tholenifically
tackles is summed up for your reading pleasure:
[still haven't found one!]
Bye!
--
"USB, idiot, stands for Universal Serial Bus. There is no power on the
output socket of any USB port I have ever seen" - Bob Germer
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From: dss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: G4 in space!
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:22:02 -0500
"Lawrence D=B9Oliveiro" wrote:
> =
> Just saw this item <http://www.spaceviews.com/2000/06/11a.html> about a=
> company that wants to put the first satellite into orbit containing a
> Web server--and they're going to use a Mac G4!
They're using a G4 so when if fails they can collect on the insurance.
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From: Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Stocks and your sanity...
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:42:14 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux is faster than windows. Unless the micros~1 sponsored benchmark
has changed, Linux still serves nt clients faster than nt. Apache is
still more stable with lower overhead, higher scalability, and more
customizability than iis.
Linux is a much better system than nt for whole classes of functions and
comes with a much stronger core environment for developers than windows
nt.
As for win 9.x...
Even I use it for recreation. But Win 9.x will be replaced by linux on
the desktops of people who need a real work environment versus
windowsdressing.
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> Ah yes, that's what the simple benchmarks I've done is telling. Linux is
> faster than Windows (not true), Linux is easier to install than Windows
> (again not true: it couldn't figure out my AHA1520 and my SB16), Linux has
> more hardware support than Windows (liar!), Linux has more applications
> than Windows (again, lying through your teeth)...
--
Salvador Peralta
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.la-online.com
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: G4 in space!
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:11:58 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lawrence
DčOliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Just saw this item <http://www.spaceviews.com/2000/06/11a.html>
>about a company that wants to put the first satellite into orbit
>containing a Web server--and they're going to use a Mac G4!
Well they need to get the G4 fixed so that it will reboot with a
power cycle, and not power-cycle and then press a button. I've
seen than on a client's G4. A fix is supposed to be in the works.
--
Bill Vermillion bv @ wjv.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: There is only one innovation that matters...
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:09:15 +0200
Piers B. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello Joe
> Microsoft was working for Apple to develop their OS and apps before they
> went solo and brought out DOS/Windows, try getting you OS history right
> before slagging me off.
So what are your views on chaos theory?
Lars T.
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From: Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: G4 in space!
Date: 13 Jun 2000 10:18:14 EDT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> "Lawrence DčOliveiro" wrote:
> >
> > Just saw this item <http://www.spaceviews.com/2000/06/11a.html> about a
> > company that wants to put the first satellite into orbit containing a
> > Web server--and they're going to use a Mac G4!
>
>
> They're using a G4 so when if fails they can collect on the insurance
Very funny. The above response is hereby nominated for the knee jerk of
the month award.
When I'm ready to start up my virtual_insurance.com venture, perhaps
you'll be interested in providing some capital.
--
Jim Naylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Tom Elam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: G4 in space!
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:40:59 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:16:59 +1200, Tom Elam wrote this reply to Lawrence
DčOliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Just saw this item <http://www.spaceviews.com/2000/06/11a.html> about a
>company that wants to put the first satellite into orbit containing a
>Web server--and they're going to use a Mac G4!
Hey dummy - Mac does not make the G4, Motorola makes it. Another case of an
Apple advocate willing to let Apple take the credit for innovation that is not
their's. Oh well, life goes on......
=============================================
Tom Elam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: vote on MS split-up
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:08:56 GMT
Clear, cogent, relevant, and understandable to anyone...
You're not from around here, are you?
[quote snipped to appease the SAN gods]
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: G4 in space!
Date: 13 Jun 2000 10:23:12 EDT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Lawrence DčOliveiro wrote:
> >
> > Just saw this item <http://www.spaceviews.com/2000/06/11a.html> about a
> > company that wants to put the first satellite into orbit containing a
> > Web server--and they're going to use a Mac G4!
>
> That's a bit dim witted. They should have used several StrongARMS (up to
> 400 MHZ now?) since they use less than 1W each (the 200 MHZ versions).
I love it when someone has the actual chutzpah to second guess folks who
have obviously _done the research_ and _know what they are doing_ and
are _backing it with their bucks_ to the point of calling it "a bit dim
witted!" Nothing dim witted about that, is there, either as a response
or as what must surely be the oxymoron of the day?
--
Jim Naylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: G4 in space!
Date: 13 Jun 2000 10:24:36 EDT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, mlw
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2:1 wrote:
> >
> > Lawrence DčOliveiro wrote:
> > >
> > > Just saw this item <http://www.spaceviews.com/2000/06/11a.html> about
> > > a
> > > company that wants to put the first satellite into orbit containing a
> > > Web server--and they're going to use a Mac G4!
> >
> > That's a bit dim witted. They should have used several StrongARMS (up
> > to
> > 400 MHZ now?) since they use less than 1W each (the 200 MHZ versions).
>
> Actually space based computers are very scary technology. There are a
> lot of factors with space, radiation, temperature ranges, power
> consumption (of course), and more. There may be a rad-hard G4 chip
> available where as a rad-hard StrongARM may not be.
What's this? An actual reasoned response? Well, I _never_... ;-)
--
Jim Naylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Robert L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:44:19 GMT
Windows is better than Linux cause you can make you printer and scanner work
in windows but not in Linux.
Go to Beos website, download the free beos version.
Try to install your hardware corectly. ( make it work at least better than
in Linux )
Did that mean that Beos is inferior of windows?
Do the same with an IMac, can you install the hardware?
Can you install windows on a PPC?
In how many computer can you install windows ( legaly )?
Can you install windows 98 on a 8Meg Ram system?
What are the requirement for W2K? 64 Meg Ram i think!!!
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Subject: Re: G4 in space!
From: Mayor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:43:26 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[Snip]
>
>What's this? An actual reasoned response? Well, I
_never_... ;-)
I've noticed that about you.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: democracy?
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:45:30 GMT
Francis,
In case you haven't noticed, the USA is NOT a "democracy"! The people
who conduct these invalid polls would love for you to think it is, but
if you'll read the Constitution (RTFM) you'll see we're actually
configured as a "republic".
If you want an example of a democracy, look at a lynch mob. The
majority (the mob) decides that the minority (the lynchee) deserves to
die. In a pure democracy, the minority has no recourse but to submit to
the will of the majority, no matter how perverse that will might be.
Ergo, "democracy" is evil. Anyone who tells you otherwise would like to
get a bunch of friends together to hang you from the nearest oak tree at
midnight.
The purpose of the United States government is to secure (guarantee) "a
republican form of government", which is the only way to preserve the
rights of the minority.
Another purpose of the US government is to protect "us" (citizens) from
harm, whether that harm come from a Soviet bomber or from an
unscrupulous chemical maker who dumps toxic waste into your fishing
hole. It follows that it is the governments place to protect YOU
(whether you are a software developer or a carpenter) from having your
livelihood taken away by an unscrupulous competitor. You think
Microsoft won't take away your livelihood?? Tell it to Gary Killdall or
Stac Electronics or Lotus or Borland or Linus Torvalds or the guy who
ported CP/M to the 8086 (ironically, I don't remember his name)...
And the intelligence level of the celebrated man in the street has no
bearing on the invalidity of his opinion!! The greatest mind in the
world cannot provide an opinion that would have any legal, legitimate
bearing on rulings of Law. Our Nation is one of Laws, not Men. I know
you've heard that before. "Popular opinion" doesn't count either. The
only relevant information in court is, is this behavior allowed or
forbidden by law, and did the plaintiff commit the alleged behavior.
In Microsoft's case, the behavior is forbidden by Law, and M$ knew that
yet they did it anyway. They're criminals. "With malice aforethought".
Now it's time for their punishment. Get used to it.
And no, I don't see where a 2-way split will help matters much. But
it's not my place to decide. All I can do is eschew Micro$oft products
at every opportunity, which I do with all the zeal I can muster.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: democracy?
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:52:08 GMT
Go away. The majority of Real Americans do not want you here... in
theory, at least!
You'd like China. Maybe Canada, but try to stay away from the border.
>From the statement you just made, perhaps you'd be better following your
head to Uranus.
Your brand of ignorance is poisoning the minds of our fellow American
citizens, and you're confusing the newbies.
Just leave. Get up, turn off your computer, and go now. Quietly.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Salvador Peralta wrote:
> >
> > let's remember that the United States is not now, nor has it ever
been a
> > democracy.
>
> Yes it is. It's a representative democracy. The people do rule,
through
> their elected officials (in theory, at least).
>
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Before you buy.
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From: "Robert L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Stocks and your sanity...
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:02:28 GMT
"Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit dans le
message news: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Ah yes, that's what the simple benchmarks I've done is telling. Linux is
> faster than Windows (not true), Linux is easier to install than Windows
> (again not true: it couldn't figure out my AHA1520 and my SB16), Linux has
> more hardware support than Windows (liar!), Linux has more applications
> than Windows (again, lying through your teeth)...
OK, we will play a little game.
Install windows on your system and don't install any driver.
windows will detect hardware and install the driver he have to.
Now test the system to know if everything alright.
On the same system, install Linux, just to know how many hardware have is
driver.
My old cdrom need mscdex. To install windows, i have to install dos6.22.
Install driver and run the install of windows.
On a friend computer, i have to install the sound blaster card on dos AND
the cdrom. ( the cdrom is plug on the sound card ). I have to do so to be
able to install windows.
With Linux, put the floppy. Say to Linux i have a sbpcd. Now, the install
continue like it is a normal ide/atapi cdrom.
To install windows on low end computer, you need dos for everything. ( btw,
dos is 16bit OS, windows 32bit and Linux 32bit too. Maybe it mean nothing to
you but i have to say it )
Number of program? It's normal there's more program in windows than Linux.
We never say Linux have a lot more than windows.
We say "On a full install, Linux come with 2000+ program. Windows with 100+"
A large part of the program on windows is hide in the windows directory.
All program are in a bin directory ( /bin, /usr/bin or for graphic
/usr/X11/bin )
Your sb16 is not detect? Go to your reseller and change you mother board.
It's defect.
Have you install the driver, i mean runing sndconfig? No? So go ahead.
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From: Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: G4 in space!
Date: 13 Jun 2000 11:08:54 EDT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mayor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [Snip]
> >
> >What's this? An actual reasoned response? Well, I
> _never_... ;-)
>
> I've noticed that about you.
Touche! That'll teach me to show my age by using a cliche you
impressionable young kids never heard before.
--
Jim Naylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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