Linux-Advocacy Digest #54, Volume #27 Tue, 13 Jun 00 14:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Darren Wyn Rees)
Re: Boring (Darren Wyn Rees)
Re: Linux newbie requires advice..... (Darren Wyn Rees)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Cihl)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Cihl)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Top 10 Reasons to use Linux (Cihl)
Re: Open Source Programmers Demonstrate Incompetence (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: democracy? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Microsoft Stocks and your sanity... (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Microsoft Stocks and your sanity... (Salvador Peralta)
Re: democracy? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: G4 in space! (Jim)
Re: G4 in space! (Jim)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Tim Palmer)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Tim Palmer)
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From: Darren Wyn Rees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: 13 Jun 2000 02:28:52 GMT
Mig Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on
Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:57:13 +0200 in comp.os.linux.advocacy:
> Prepare to write much more of this in the comming months. In lots of
> European countries it seems that the respective parlaments will force the
> usage of open sourced software and operatings systems .. In France there is
> currently a proposol and a majority to shift to open source. In Germany a
> similar proposal was made and the same is happening in the danish
> parlament. I dont know of other countries... but this is a start.
Do you have any further pointers on these proposals ?
I'd like to read more on these proposals you claim are being
made in European parliaments.
Darren
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From: Darren Wyn Rees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Boring
Date: 13 Jun 2000 02:36:26 GMT
Steve Mentzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on
Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:05:31 -0700 in comp.os.linux.advocacy:
> I am both a windows AND linux user. I feel that both OS's do things
> better than the other.
I use Windows, Linux, and *BSDs because they're all good at some things.
> Unfortunately, loyalty to one platform tends to skew the eyesight of
> an advocate, regardless of facts or common knowledge.
Yes.
> I will wind up getting flamed for this post, even though I readily
> tout the strengths of linux. I will never understand it :)
I think your analysis is reasonable, but there are some
unreasonable Linux users, and the same goes for all OSes.
Darren
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From: Darren Wyn Rees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux newbie requires advice.....
Date: 13 Jun 2000 02:41:05 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on
Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:00:03 +0100 in comp.os.linux.advocacy:
> What's the first few things I should do after installing Linux??
type 'man man'
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From: Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:14:29 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:40:15 GMT, Cihl
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Tiberious wrote:
> >>
> >> Subject:
> >> Installing a printer, scanner and Fax program on a Win98SE
> >> system.
> >>
> >> Specifics: Canon FB630P scanner. Parallel port version.
> >> Canon BJC 4400 Printer.
> >> Software including Winfax and what ever came with the
> >> scanner and printer.
> >>
> >> Install printer with CDROM supplied. Nice CanoCraft programs and
> >> Greeting Card Designer included. Add's all kinds of menu options to the
> >> standard print menu so that resolution, paper size, diagnostics and so
> >> forth are easily accessible to the user.
> >>
> >> Install scanner, including Adobe Photoshop (Home version, almost the
> >> same as pro version) and Canocraft software plus a large selection of
> >> other software.
> >>
> >> Install Winfax. Surprise, surprise, it recognizes the printer and
> >> scanner and adds a fax option to all menus.
> >>
> >> Super easy.
> >>
> >> Try out all options and there are wizards to guide the user through all
> >> the operations of scanning/printing and faxing and most importantly ALL
> >> FUNCTIONS WORK TOGETHER, meaning you don't have to scan a printed
> >> document in order to fax it. You can just do it from the scanner menu.
> >>
> >> Linux on the other hand?
> >>
> >> 1. Doesn't support the scanner.
> >> 2. Barely supports the printer.
> >> 3.Gimp vs Adobe? Need I say more?
> >> 4. You are on your own trying to figure out how to make things work.
> >> Assuming of course you CAN make things work.
> >> Integration between programs like in the Windows world? You'll be
> >> lucky if the programs put an icon in the menus let alone work together.
> >>
> >> This person walked into Staples, presented a problem and walked away
> >> with a solution for $225.00 that was a breeze to install and worked from
> >> the getgo.
> >>
> >> Switch from Windows to Linux? Why?
> >>
> >> Why should someone take a step back in time to a half supported system?
> >>
> >> What advantage does the person above gain running Linux?
> >>
> >> I have yet to se a valid reason to do so except for cost, and running a
> >> desktop system kills that reason.
> >>
> >> Sorry but Linux loses again.
> >
> >So? Is it Linux' fault for not having all the hardware drivers? OEM's
> >deliver drivers for Windows, Microsoft hasn't much to do with that.
>
> Tell that to an end user. It's all about results.
> Getting from A to B in the easiest, most cost
> efficient manner possible.
>
> Is it Fords problem for not having built in baby
> car seats while Chrysler does? Guess what van the
> typical soccer mom drives? Guess why, in part...
> >Are you paid by Microsoft for this, or what? Advocating
> >Windows/Microsoft doesn't seem very logical to me. They already have a
> >big commercial marketing department. Your whining doesn't do shit.
>
> So in reality you have failed to address any point
> made, which makes YOU a LinoSHILL...
I don't know exactly what you mean by a LinoSHILL, but if it is about
someone who takes great pride in using and helping Linux forward and
someone who hates the fact that there are BONEHEADS who keep bashing
Linux because they like to suck Billy's cock, them i'm GUILTY AS
CHARGED!!!
(Just thought you should know that!)
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From: Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:16:52 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Totally lame....
>
> Is that the best the Linux lusers can put up...
>
> No wonder Linux is as pathetic as it is.
>
> simon
>
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:40:15 GMT, Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Tiberious wrote:
> >>
> >> Subject:
> >> Installing a printer, scanner and Fax program on a Win98SE
> >> system.
> >>
> >> Specifics: Canon FB630P scanner. Parallel port version.
> >> Canon BJC 4400 Printer.
> >> Software including Winfax and what ever came with the
> >> scanner and printer.
> >>
> >> Install printer with CDROM supplied. Nice CanoCraft programs and
> >> Greeting Card Designer included. Add's all kinds of menu options to the
> >> standard print menu so that resolution, paper size, diagnostics and so
> >> forth are easily accessible to the user.
> >>
> >> Install scanner, including Adobe Photoshop (Home version, almost the
> >> same as pro version) and Canocraft software plus a large selection of
> >> other software.
> >>
> >> Install Winfax. Surprise, surprise, it recognizes the printer and
> >> scanner and adds a fax option to all menus.
> >>
> >> Super easy.
> >>
> >> Try out all options and there are wizards to guide the user through all
> >> the operations of scanning/printing and faxing and most importantly ALL
> >> FUNCTIONS WORK TOGETHER, meaning you don't have to scan a printed
> >> document in order to fax it. You can just do it from the scanner menu.
> >>
> >> Linux on the other hand?
> >>
> >> 1. Doesn't support the scanner.
> >> 2. Barely supports the printer.
> >> 3.Gimp vs Adobe? Need I say more?
> >> 4. You are on your own trying to figure out how to make things work.
> >> Assuming of course you CAN make things work.
> >> Integration between programs like in the Windows world? You'll be
> >> lucky if the programs put an icon in the menus let alone work together.
> >>
> >> This person walked into Staples, presented a problem and walked away
> >> with a solution for $225.00 that was a breeze to install and worked from
> >> the getgo.
> >>
> >> Switch from Windows to Linux? Why?
> >>
> >> Why should someone take a step back in time to a half supported system?
> >>
> >> What advantage does the person above gain running Linux?
> >>
> >> I have yet to se a valid reason to do so except for cost, and running a
> >> desktop system kills that reason.
> >>
> >> Sorry but Linux loses again.
> >
> >So? Is it Linux' fault for not having all the hardware drivers? OEM's
> >deliver drivers for Windows, Microsoft hasn't much to do with that.
> >
> >Are you paid by Microsoft for this, or what? Advocating
> >Windows/Microsoft doesn't seem very logical to me. They already have a
> >big commercial marketing department. Your whining doesn't do shit.
> >
> >Have a nice day. Don't forget to blow Billy's cock, or he won't pay
> >you any more.
You're the same prick as the original poster, aren't you! Replying to
your own posts in a different name, THAT'S lame!
By the way, how DO you like your DOS-shell?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: 13 Jun 2000 12:13:59 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Tiberious <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>Well, I recently swapped out my Celron 450A/Tyan motherboard with an
>ASUS/Athlon 700 motherboard.
>
>Linux booted up and basically said, "cool, you have a new processor".
>
>Windows 98 booted up and FREAKED OUT. It needed the Windows 98 CD to
>load the drivers for the PCI bus, but my IDE controller is over that
>bridge so the CDROM drivers weren't loaded yet (it only gave me A: and
>C: as choices).
>
>A re-install fixed the "problem".
>
>I can't belive people write this crap.
An even more extreme example: I installed RedHat 6.2 SparcLinux in
a Sparc5 on an external drive configured to boot. Then I swapped
the drive into an IPX. It booted, noticed that the display and
sound hardware were different, asked if I wanted to deactivate the
old drivers and load the correct ones, I said yes to each choice
and it continued to boot and has run fine ever since. I can't
even imagine anything from Microsoft surviving anything close
to that.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Top 10 Reasons to use Linux
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:20:22 GMT
Full Name wrote:
>
> On Wed, 17 May 2000 21:05:26 +0200, Mig Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Great stuff.
> >
> >If you used your real name of David Smyth then you would even be famous :-)
> >
> >Cheers David
>
> This is simply a lie.
Who is David Smyth?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Open Source Programmers Demonstrate Incompetence
Date: 13 Jun 2000 12:22:02 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Craig Kelley wrote:
>
>> This is more symptomatic of the C-family languages being awful than
>> anything else.
>
>> It's 2000, and we're still writing most of our software in a language
>> that can't even garbage collect
>
>But, which affordable languages do you know that do automatic
>garbage collections?
More importantly, which ones get it right, and what do you do
when they don't? I've trying to keep some java servlets that
do xml/xsl processing running (under apache) but the JVM just grows
forever and gets slower and slower until I kill and restart it.
Obviously, garbage collection isn't happening right, but how
do you fix it?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: democracy?
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:18:29 GMT
> > Technically, we in the USA live in a Republic, not a democracy.
>
> In Sid Meier's Civilization, a republic is different from a democracy.
>
> It his however news to me that this has led people to believe that in
> real life, the same is true. A republic is a form of democracy.
People... Guess what form of governance is known today, around the
world, as a "Democratic Republic"... Any guesses?
That is the "modern" term for a communistic system of governance.
Wake up, read up, arm up, they're coming for US next!
(Can we get back on topic now?)
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From: Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Stocks and your sanity...
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:33:23 -0500
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Salvador Peralta) wrote in
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >Linux is faster than windows. Unless the micros~1 sponsored benchmark
> >has changed, Linux still serves nt clients faster than nt. Apache is
> >still more stable with lower overhead, higher scalability, and more
> >customizability than iis.
>
> If that were true, then why are the benchmarks I've run slower on Linux
> than Windows? I'm not talking about apache or web servers, I'm talking
> simple applications.
>
> >Linux is a much better system than nt for whole classes of functions and
> >comes with a much stronger core environment for developers than windows
> >nt.
>
> Then why are there more development tools for Windows than Linux? How is it
> I can buy a RAD tool on Windows but can't on Linux (not yet anyway).
I believe he said "comes with" not "can buy for an extra $1000 after the
fact". That is where Linux shines, in support out of the box. If it's
available, it's probably in your distribution (of course, I'm spoiled by
SuSE's 6 CD install).
>
> --
> ------------
> Pete Goodwin
Nathaniel Jay Lee
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Stocks and your sanity...
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:40:51 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Samba isn't a web server, it's a file server, and micros~1 benchmark
last year showed that it serves files to nt clients faster than nt.
As for your benchmarks... I'm not sure what applications you are
running. When it comes to server-side publishing chores, image
manipulation, filehandling/databasing, and data-extraction they are all
built better, faster, and cheaper with linux than nt. I haven't seen
anything that outperform gnu / open source for vertical software for
enterprise or commercial software to handle log analysis, customer
response, mail-list management, hypertext document formatting, etc.
linux comes with a great deal of functionality that cannot easily be
matched by nt.
> On 13 Jun 2000 16:28:29 GMT, Pete Goodwin
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >If that were true, then why are the benchmarks I've run slower on Linux
> >than Windows? I'm not talking about apache or web servers, I'm talking
> >simple applications.
>
--
Salvador Peralta
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.la-online.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: democracy?
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:26:22 GMT
In article <8hs6f6$tuu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I would personally like to see Billy do twentyfive-to-life for
> racketeering. The DOJ has been far too lenient.
>
> Wonder how long before government witnesses start disappearing or
dying
> off from mysterious causes? Seems a logical next step for
Microsoft....
Now, now. We're talking about Bill Gates, not Bill Clinton!
It's your files that'll start disappearing...
(An given the harm that BillG has wrought, IMO 25 to life is too
lenient!! There, Bill! Go ahead! Take my files if you can get them!)
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:29:15 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Tim Scoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lawrence
> D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Marion
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >Full Name wrote:
> > >
> > >> We recently had a Mandrake box rendered
> > >> unusable when the machine that
> > >> was used as a backup failed to answer the mount request.
I have no details about the mount specification, the fstab, or
the tools used to make the mount request.
> > >Why don't you configure it properly...
> >
> > Ah... the usual UNIXhead answer
> > whenever someone complains about falling
> > into yet another UNIX misconfiguration trap:
> > "It's not the fault of
> > UNIX, it's the fault of the user for
> > not configuring UNIX properly."
If NT is not configured properly nasty things happen too. If
service packs are applied in the wrong sequence, if applications
are installed in the wrong sequence, if hardware configurations
are changed, all of these things require a bit of sophisticated
knowledge.
How effective are you at fixing problems with Regedit?
How do you fix a corrupted registry?
The fact is that you aren't even aware of the training, experience,
and expertise it took to learn Windows. You had experienced Windows
users who were there to hold your hand. Once you were competent to
do the basics (use install-shield to setup applications) you were
"cooked". There were many questions you learned not to ask. You
learned the "Restart, Reboot, Reinstall, Reformat, Reload" strategy
and have reached the point where you even know when it's time to
reload everything.
> > And they wonder why the Linux companies have fallen on hard times...
Linux is still growing remarkably fast (about 5-10%/month) considering
that they extremely restricted access to OEM preinstallation, are
excluded from machines that have Windows preinstalled, and have one of
the biggest monopolies in the world as it's primary competitor, and that
monopoly is willing to risk contempt of court, criminal prosecution, and
a stream of 50 lawsuits to prevent Linux from establishing more than a
limited beach-head in the Desktop market. The Internet grew at
20%/month and continued to do so for over 6 years. Linux has grown
more slowly due to the market barriers, but has still contiued to triple
in size every 12-14 months.
Linux didn't even try to persue the desktop, contenting itself as
primarily an internet server/appliance platform used for terminal
servers, web servers, DNS servers, and e-mail/news servers as well as
application servers - before any of these clever buzzwords even
existed.
Linux finally focused it's attention on the desktop in July of 1998.
About a year later GNOME, KDE, and 3rd party commercial
applications had reached production quality.
> Unix is wonderful if you're an expert.
Linux is a bit more flexible because it has a number of simplified
administration tools, but it still takes about 120 hours of deliberate
effort to really be competent to use Linux effectively. I usually
reccomend that new users spend at least 10 hours/week for 90 days
(13 weeks) actually using Linux and learning as much as they can
before making any final judgement.
After all, Windows users had 3 years of NT, 5 years of Windows 95, 10
years of Windows, and 18 years of MS-DOS. Linux is a paradigm shift,
like trying to teach Swiss Watchmakers about Quartz Watches. The
Swiss had a hard time making the adjustment, but the Japanese didn't.
The swiss forgot that people buy a watch so that they can tell time.
Linux is a very cheap way to get information from one person to one or
many other people, in a form they can use, with a minimum of effort.
It's not important that it doesn't support exactly the same "gears and
mainsprings" as Windows/MS-DOS. In fact, Linux can emulate Windows
and MS/DOS well enough to deal with most needs, and can perform the
key functions (document origination, editing, formatting, distribution,
archiving, and delivery) more easily than the Microsoft solutions
because it uses established standards used by the Internet.
> If you're not there is a
> steep learning curve involved in order
> to get to the point where you can
> administer it successfully.
Linux takes less time than UNIX (which takes about 400 hours to
fully comprehend). And both have such a huge body of available
tools, utilities, and components (the same for both) that it can
take 4000 hours to truly master the paradigm (at which point, you
would have mastered both UNIX and Linux).
On the other hand, I've known a number of people who were comfortable
using fully preinstalled, preconfigured versions of Linux in a matter
of about 40 hours.
By the way, these 120 and 400 hours means time spent reading
documentation and trying the programs and attempting to do new
tasks, not 120 hours of using the Netscape browser (or any other
routine act).
> It's all in how much time you're willing
> to spend learning the OS of your computer.
Obviously, there had better be some benefit that makes it worth
your time. The ability to eliminate routine activities, to manage
large archives, to easily transition from workstation to Web server,
to manage multiple sources of real-time information, to efficently
manage 20-30 applications concurrently (through desktop managers),
and the ability to exchange information with systems ranging from
Windows 3.1 to OS/390 mainframes might be a could set of starters.
> Unix requires time.
Time well spent.
> --
> Tim Scoff
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.scoff.net/Tim
>
--
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I/T Architect, MIS Director
http://www.open4success.com
Linux - 90 million satisfied users worldwide
and growing at over 5%/month!
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From: Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: G4 in space!
Date: 13 Jun 2000 13:46:22 EDT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mayor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mayor
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <jrnaylor-
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> [Snip]
> >> >
> >> >What's this? An actual reasoned response? Well, I
> >> _never_... ;-)
> >>
> >> I've noticed that about you.
> >
> >Touche! That'll teach me to show my age by using a cliche you
> >impressionable young kids never heard before.
>
> Heh! If I'm a kid to you then you must be a fossil...or
> petrified! :)
Maybe a bit of both? So do you like to pretend to take figures of speech
literally in general, or just when a cheap shot is available?
--
Jim Naylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: G4 in space!
Date: 13 Jun 2000 13:57:34 EDT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Jim wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Lawrence DčOliveiro wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just saw this item <http://www.spaceviews.com/2000/06/11a.html>
> > > > about a
> > > > company that wants to put the first satellite into orbit containing
> > > > a
> > > > Web server--and they're going to use a Mac G4!
> > >
> > > That's a bit dim witted. They should have used several StrongARMS (up
> > > to
> > > 400 MHZ now?) since they use less than 1W each (the 200 MHZ
> > > versions).
> >
> > I love it when someone has the actual chutzpah to second guess folks
> > who
> > have obviously _done the research_ and _know what they are doing_ and
> > are _backing it with their bucks_ to the point of calling it "a bit dim
> > witted!" Nothing dim witted about that, is there, either as a response
> > or as what must surely be the oxymoron of the day?
>
> Researchers do not always know best. I go to a university (look at my
> e-mail address, it ends in .ac.uk),
Thanks for the usenet lesson, but you don't need to go to a university
in the .uk to know where you posted from.
> and some researchers do some pretty
> dim things once in a while.
No argument there.
[snip some irrelevant ancient history]
And thirdly, if people don't question other peoples actions then who the
hell will?
I'll guess with you--chimps? Dolphin? I hear parrots are fairly
intelligent.
Fourthly, can we agree that "a bit dim witted" is an oxymoron?
Fifthly, you've _still_ said nothing which demonstrates that you did
anything other than "shoot from the hip" to comment about something
which _obviously_ is not "dim witted." Such potshots can occasionally
come close to the mark, if the shooter has had lots of practice. You
need a "bit" more.
--
Jim Naylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: 13 Jun 2000 14:02:55 -0500
On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:57:13 +0200, Mig Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Tiberious wrote:
> [CUT the entire crap]
>
>The fun part of you guys posts is that lately you're atacking Linux on its
>lack of support for "home devices". This must mean that the server side of
>things is allready won by Linux - i can only agree on that.
>
>Regarding end-user PC's its very simple... simply just aquire devices that
>are supported by Linux..
And you still cant get the hardwair to work together. Instead of being abal to scan
something
and have it go strate to the printer or FAX, you half to save it to fial and cibvert
it to
postscrit, and thats' just to print. FAX modems just don't work on UNIX.
>I do not have any problems for my usage.. and i
>guess 90% og users wont either.
>
If 90% of users enjoy not being abel to use 90% of their hardware they wo'nt have any
prolblems.
>Prepare to write much more of this in the comming months. In lots of
>European countries it seems that the respective parlaments will force the
>usage of open sourced software and operatings systems ..
So thats' how Open Sores works. Nobody want's to run you're cruddy sotfwair, so you
run wining to
the government so they can force everybody to give up what works for them in favor of
something
that is bearly functionall.
Why do you even care? You don't even maik any monney from it.
>In France there is
>currently a proposol and a majority to shift to open source. In Germany a
>similar proposal was made and the same is happening in the danish
>parlament. I dont know of other countries... but this is a start.
>
>To make things even worse for Micros~1 major electronic retailers here will
>offer PC's wiht Linux and StarOffice and one with Corel Linux and Corel
>Office for the first time.. simply because students are demanding it.
Wow. What a threat. As soon as people sea how slow StarOfice is compaired
to Microsoft Ofice, theyll take their computer's rite back to the store.
>
>The future looks bright... but not yours if youre into Micros~1 advocacy..
>wich is a joke by it self. Think one of the most profitable companys in the
>world has some morons trying to market their software for them because they
>feel sorry for them... What a joke
>
>Greetings to all lemmings
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From: Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: 13 Jun 2000 14:03:06 -0500
On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:40:13 GMT, JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:57:13 +0200, Mig Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Tiberious wrote:
>> [CUT the entire crap]
>>
>>The fun part of you guys posts is that lately you're atacking Linux on its
>>lack of support for "home devices". This must mean that the server side of
>
> ...not just "home devices" but the lowest end dregs of "home devices".
>
> These are the things that will likely have quality, performance and
> compatibility problems of their own even under an MS OS.
They do'nt halve problems on my system... accept when 'im trying to run Linux, that is.
>
>>things is allready won by Linux - i can only agree on that.
>>
>>Regarding end-user PC's its very simple... simply just aquire devices that
>>are supported by Linux.. I do not have any problems for my usage.. and i
>>guess 90% og users wont either.
>[deletia]
>
> Their argument is the same argument you could level against
> Macintosh and in some instances even Windows NT and the same
> tripe used to advocate DOS when it was the only competitor
> without a GUI.
>
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>
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>
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