Linux-Advocacy Digest #54, Volume #34 Mon, 30 Apr 01 11:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Baseball (Nomen Nescio)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Nomen Nescio)
Re: e: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: there's always a bigger fool (T. Max Devlin)
Re: there's always a bigger fool (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ? (hac)
Re: Does Linux support "Burn-Proof" CDRW's (Daniel Tryba)
Re: Another Windows pc gets Linux (Neil Cerutti)
Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males ("Kelsey Bjarnason")
Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males ("Kelsey Bjarnason")
Re: Microsoft hit new security 'level' :-) ("Kelsey Bjarnason")
Re: The upgrade (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Another Windows pc gets Linux (Pete Goodwin)
Re: The upgrade (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (Pete Goodwin)
Re: The upgrade (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Another Windows pc gets Linux (JamesW)
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From: Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Baseball
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:20:04 +0200 (CEST)
t. max fagass:
> Said Nomen Nescio in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 25 Apr 2001 03:20:02
> >Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eeped:
> >> Nomen Nescio wrote:
> >> >
> >> > how many retailers sell linux machines again?
> >> > jackie 'anakin' tokeman
> >> >
> >> > p.s. sneering & not bathing does not a viable marketing strategy make
> >>
> >> Only a moron would wonder about the sales of a
> >> free downloadable operating system.
> >
> >funny, i could have sworn i saw a bunch of nerdos whining about how
> >mean old microsoft was preventing retailers and vendors from selling
> >machines with linux preinstalled via those mean nasty monopolistic
> >agreements.
>
> Well, this is an 'abstraction error' on your part, hinging on the
> concept of 'prevent'. It is not a physical barrier, and therefore
> exceptions to its effects are not contradictory to its existence.
all products face the problem of reaching the consumer. if people wanted
linux they could get it. they don't want it because no one has managed
to convince them it is a superior system. that is the real barrier linux
faces. if that barrier were overcome it would be trivial for clone
assemblers to start offering linux machines and mom and pop shops to
spring up all over the country selling them to consumers. the problem,
which you refuse to face, is that there is no reason for a consumer to
want to use linux. a competing system must offer a decisive advantage in
order to displace an existing system. as yet no one has presented a
convincing case that such an advantage exists for a non-system admin like
myself. and microsoft's nefarious practices have nothing to do with this.
in fact allegations of evil on the part of microsoft appear to make up
the bulk of the linux advocates' case. said allegations being completely
irrelevant to the task at hand - me getting stuff done on my machine.
if you want to convince me to switch systems you need to focus exclusively
on what is in it for me. this means forgetting about the list of charges
against gates and discussing the list of advantages to linux. also keep
in mind these advantages must be substantial. if, for example, staroffice
is merely 'just as good' as microsoft office then i gain nothing by
switching over. i would also mention that system stability is not enough.
windows crashes are annoying but they are not annoying enough for me to
switch to another system, even if, as is claimed, that system never
crashes.
> >it is good that at least one person concedes that linux's absolute
> >failure to penetrate the desktop is entirely the fault of the system
> >rather than blaming microsoft for its woeful inadequacies.
>
> Again, an abstraction error. This one may be the more familiar
> "category error", depending on what you meant by "the system". This
> would be illuminated by your conception of "fault", which is also rather
> unexplained. Fault for selling Linux (which is done, in growing
> numbers) or fault for not selling more Linux (because, after all, the
> monopoly is still in place)?
>
> Think harder.
i use language in a way that a normal end user would understand it.
by 'the system' i mean the operating system and the whole complex of
applications that run under it, including the user interface. the fault in
linux, as outlined above, is that it offers no substantial advantages
from the desktop user's point of view. this is quite invisible to you
because your priorities are entirely different. did you read dan mocsny's
message discussing the human expert mediated interface? if not look it
up. it summarizes the problem and proposes a solution.
implement said solution and gates will be up nights in a cold sweat.
ignore it and he'll just keep pissing in your face.
guess which way i bet?
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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From: Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Crossposted-To: soc.singles,alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:20:05 +0200 (CEST)
Elias Poulojohn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> minced:
> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
> > t. max fagass:
> >> Said Nomen Nescio in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 27 Apr 2001 02:20:06
> >> >t. max fagass:
> >> [...]
> >> >> >> >>Only insecure people care about others' tastes.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Give him a break. He's a welfare recipient.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Who cares?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >my victims
> >> >> > jackie 'anakin' tokeman
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!
> >> >
> >> >jabba is that you?
> >>
> >> No, its the Blue Beetle.
> >
> > you misspelled raja.
> >
> >> >> Jackie thinks he's got "victims". Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!
> >> >
> >> >are you sure you want to play a game?
> >>
> >> Are you sure you want to get your ass spanked?
> >
> > did linux reinforce your homosexual bumlooker nature or were you like
> > this already?
> > jackie 'anakin' tokeman
> >
> > men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
> > more even than death
> > - bertrand russell
> >
> >
>
> so homosexual is supposed to be some kind of an insult?
only if you are ashamed.
> and will you at last
> stop with this idiocy?
> and as for you jackie-what-ever... i looked at all of your posts...
> it is clear to me now... you have the IQ of a peenut..
lol
> its a pity...you could make a good homosexual
that was totally gay.
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: e: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:25:24 GMT
>>>>> Goddess writes:
Goddess> "jet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news> 9cbajs$3f9u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > > >Barbie dolls didn't stop me.
>> > > > Personally, I wonder who the dumbass was who programmed in the
>> > > > "Math is haaaaaaard" into them at one point.
>> > > I don't see the problem with that. So what if math is hard? It was hard
>> > > for me at times. I think taking that away sends a worse message: girls
>> > > can't do or shouldn't attempt hard things.
Goddess> I can agree with that. Most of my friends (boys AND girls) found math
hard.
Goddess> I didn't though. I did help them with their homework. But yes, math, for
Goddess> most people is indeed hard. My husband teaches math and he knows that most
Goddess> find it very hard. Some work at it even if it's hard to do and most don't,
Goddess> even boys.
I think that is because they are told it is hard. It is a cultural
message. But it is no harder than any other subject.
--
Andrew Hall
(Now reading Usenet in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh...)
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:33:34 GMT
Said billh in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:35:23 GMT;
>"T. Max Devlin"
>
>> You say that now. But I have no reason to believe the words of an
>> admittedly violent man.
>
>I'm posting from uma. I'm in the Army, one of the world's most violent
>organizations.
More muddle-headed thinking. The Army is about as anti-violent as you
can get. Shoot someone who "invaded" your barracks room (and just
happened to be another soldier, but, hey, he was stealing your socks, so
his life is forfeit) and you'll see how violent an organization it is.
>You can believe whatever you chose to believe I really
>don't care one bit.
At least I'm not so muddle-headed as to be unable to justify my own
ethics comprehensibly. AND I was in the military (though a mere sailor,
and an airdale at that) AND I would have killed someone for my country
if I had been called on to do so.
AND I have enough ethics to not play the stoic and pretend it wouldn't
cause me to question the correctness of my country.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: there's always a bigger fool
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:33:35 GMT
Said Zippy in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 30 Apr 2001 05:34:08 GMT;
>[Said Max, re-arranging to correct the top-posting:]
>
>>Guffaw. Yes, monopolization is a bitch. That isn't the result of any
>>supposed short-sightedness of the past. 'Backward compatibility' is a
>>code phrase for "violations of the Sherman Act".
>
>motherboard and bios manufacturers are the ones who have to maintain
>backward compatibility, not microsoft.
Victims of the monopoly are the ONLY ones who have to worry about
'backward compatibility'. For everyone else, simple interoperability,
and lack of anti-competitive design, is sufficient.
>it would be possible right now to
>build a machine that has a modern PCI bus and architecture, that would boot
>windows or NT just fine, without any of the backward compatibility.
Boot NT, or launch all NT applications?
>they
>choose not to do it because there are still a few out there running old
>versions of novell and dos, who want to speed up their systems without
>upgrading the OS. and more power to them.
They can't afford to do so, because they're stuck with razor-thin
margins which do not allow for capital research of this nature, while MS
keeps hiking up their monopoly pricing using scams and predation.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: there's always a bigger fool
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:33:36 GMT
Said Zippy in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 30 Apr 2001 05:42:20 GMT;
>this is a matter of opinion and speculation, not what anybody "knows about
>computing." if you think splitting up microsoft is going to harm them, or
>end their predominance in the computer world, YOU haven't learned anything
>about monopolies.
Your ignorance is almost preposterous, I'm afraid. If there is
something you don't understand about how the split will restore
competition, I'll be happy to explain it to you, but you have to ask
questions, so I know where you're getting hung up. I would suggest that
its likely to be this idea of "end their predominance of the computer
world". It is the free market competition that will result from the
remedy, not the remedy itself, which is going to take care of that.
If you don't understand why, it is certainly because you do not quite
understand what "free market competition" means.
>take a look at other monopolies which have been split up. what are the
>largest oil companies in the world? the spawn of standard oil. what are the
>largest telecommunications companies? the spawn of at&t.
"Spawn of" is not "standard oil", or "at&t". And your last statement is
entirely wrong, anyway; its only the baby bells, AT&T itself, and Lucent
which are 'spawn of at&t'. Sprint, MCI/WorldCom, and any other
surviving telecoms or other coms that haven't been bought by them or
Time Warner, emerged as competition for AT&T. And this started
happening while the public still thought that Ma Bell had a
government-granted monopoly (Ma bell thought this too, but this was
disproved in court in the mid 80s.)
>don't delude yourself. you will be disappointed.
Maybe that's why I'm never disappointed, only delighted, to learn I was
wrong about something. Maybe that's also why it so very rarely happens
these days.
>this is not to say that splitting up monopolies isn't a good thing. it's a
>very good thing for everybody - including the companies which are divided.
>it allows others to compete, and ends the stagnancy of the monopoly.
And so it will go with Microsoft, fears of doom and gloom to the
contrary. You've just lost faith in the free market, is all, due to the
reign of the Chicago School lawyers who gutted anti-trust law in the
last quarter of the twentieth century.
>>You haven't learned anything about computing if you think this is true.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.singles,alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:33:38 GMT
Said Nomen Nescio in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:10:07
+0200 (CEST);
>t. max fagass:
>> Said Nomen Nescio in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 27 Apr 2001 02:20:06
>> >t. max fagass:
>> [...]
>> >> >> >>Only insecure people care about others' tastes.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Give him a break. He's a welfare recipient.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Who cares?
>> >> >
>> >> >my victims
>> >> > jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!
>> >
>> >jabba is that you?
>>
>> No, its the Blue Beetle.
>
>you misspelled raja.
No, the Blue Beetle. From the humorous run of the Avengers in the late
80s or early 90s from DC Comics.
>> >> Jackie thinks he's got "victims". Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!
>> >
>> >are you sure you want to play a game?
>>
>> Are you sure you want to get your ass spanked?
>
>did linux reinforce your homosexual bumlooker nature or were you like
>this already?
Oh, I've always been a homosexual bumlooker. Have you always enjoyed
getting your ass spanked by homosexuals?
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: hac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ?
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:34:17 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "hac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > >
> > > "Jonadab the Unsightly One" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > That's silly. All you need is to queue the upgrade to
> > > > > > any given page until nobody's looking at it.
> > > > >
> > > > > And you magically know when nobody is looking at it, how?
> > > >
> > > > The OS should know that.
> > >
> > > It should? I didn't realize they had optical sensors that allowed the
> > > terminals to notice when someone was looking at the terminal or not.
> > >
> > Even an idiot should realize that no one is looking at a page that
> > isn't displayed. Ergo, pages not displayed may be updated. Which is
> > what he clearly intended to convey, before you went out of your way to
> > be obtuse and argumentative. Unless, of course, you really are that
> > stupid. You seem bent on convincing everyone that you are.
>
> How exactly do you "update the page" of a standalone application?
>
> His argument was about how a single app on a server accessed by terminals is
> easier to maintain than an HTML based system.
>
If he was talking about a single app that encapsulates the data, then
you have a point. I was thinking of a single application that is
delivers the data, where the data is stored as separate files,
records, whatever. You can certainly update records in a database
without restarting it. The key point is that the data is stored one
and only place. Browsers store a local copy, which complicates
updates.
The drawback to HTTP for this application is that when a page is
requested, a connection is opened, the page downloaded, and the
connection is then dropped. It's designed to be stateless, which is
good for what it was designed for. But in this application, you would
like to know what each screen is displaying. With HTTP, you have to
add another layer, with the server keeping track of what page was last
downloaded to which screen. It's easier if you use a protocol that
keeps the connection open, automatically locking the
page/screen/file/record. And an open connection simplifies displaying
dynamic data.
HTML is designed to put the browser in charge of the display. For the
web, that's good, as it lessens the load on the server. For a factory
environment, the load is finite, and there are advantages to using
dumb displays that are firmly in control of a central server. HTTP's
statelessness, local caching, and other features actually get in your
way for this application. The smarter the remote systems are, the
more complicated synchronizing updates can become. It's easier to
update one place than everywhere.
You can certainly use another SGML-derived markup language, such as
XML. The problem is not with the HTML so much as it is with HTTP.
--
Howard Christeller Irvine, CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Daniel Tryba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Linux support "Burn-Proof" CDRW's
Date: 30 Apr 2001 13:20:02 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Nor do you have any of the plugins availible for those applications,
> which can be shared amongst the various applications via Direct-X.
My guess is that you meant to type ActiveX instead of DirectX?
--
Daniel Tryba
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neil Cerutti)
Subject: Re: Another Windows pc gets Linux
Date: 30 Apr 2001 14:41:36 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Terry Porter posted:
>On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 17:13:20 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> "Terry Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>> Problem #1 no network neighbourhood icon. Although I set up
>>> Samba easily on my Linux box, her pc lacked the above NN
>>> facility. Could I restore it ...
>>
>> nope.
>>
>>> Tweakui fails to work, Windows help is non existant. I have
>>> no interest in buying 'secrets of the windows registry' so I
>>> can manipulate a terse, binary database, that will render her
>>> machine unusable should I screw up the editing.
>>
>> Did you have the "Client for Microsoft Networks" Installed?
>
>Yes it was always installed afaik.
>
>> And did you have "I want to share my files" checkbox checked?
>
>She didn't, and I've just done that, however it relates to her
>sharing her files, not connecting to a samba server.
>
>> I've never heard of this problem if these were installed.
>
>Ive just done the "I want to share my files" bit and rebooted,
>still no neighbourhood network icon.
My guess is that you, some time in the distant past when you
didn't believe this Win98 box would be on a network, deleted the
Network Neighborhood icon. If you do, it warns you that it cannot
be restored.
However, that shouldn't have disabled the "Map Network Drive"
function of Explorer which you might have used instead.
--
Neil Cerutti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*** One of your mules lost a bolt. Repairs cost you $50. ***
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From: "Kelsey Bjarnason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:45:04 GMT
"jet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9cc9a7$742q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> You've got MALE.. sex organs! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Again, it is a mystery as to why you'd be so fearful of the little
> > girlies, with all that arsenal..
> >
>
> I know!
>
> J
>
> Maybe he's worried they have bio weapons.
AHA! So *that's* what "cooties" are... :)
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From: "Kelsey Bjarnason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:45:04 GMT
[snips]
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > No..only when the consumer is DENIED the right to choose whatever OS
they
> > please.
> >
> > Funny; I've _never_ been deined the right to choose whatever OS I
please.
> > Nor has anyone else I've ever heard of. Even if I get a particular OS
> > preinstalled, I can always pick another one, right?
> >
> > Oh, maybe your local CompuShop or whatever doesn't sell your pet OS.
Fine,
> > can it be ordered from an online vendor? Purchased from another local
> > vendor? Purchased from a store one state over?
> >
>
> CompuShop? What is that?
As far as I know, it doesn't exist - which was the point. A generic name
for a computer quickie mart.
> In the average suburbia, you get Win98 or WinMe. You have to ask if
> they even sell Win2K let alone Linux.
Or you can buy your machine with nothing preinstalled. Or you can buy it
with WinME or Win98, then install your own OS. Still nothing preventing you
choosing whatever OS you want. Which was, after all, the point. :)
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From: "Kelsey Bjarnason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft hit new security 'level' :-)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:45:04 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
> >
> > [snips]
> >
> > "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9c8t75$qoe$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > .net, I would go for it, however, on one condition, I expect 24/7/365
> > > uptime, and if there is any downtime, I expect atleast $100 for every
> > > minute I cannot access my data. If my data is corrupted in anyway,
because
> > > of hackers, crackers etc. I expect a minimum compensation of $10,000.
> >
> > Sounds good. Where can I find a Linux-based server that'll host my data
and
> > guarantee the above repayment rates when the data isn't accessible?
>
> No need....the data WILL be available
Really. So even if the backbone goes down, or there's a state-wide power
outage, or an expected flash flood or earthquake or fire wipes out their
entire installation, the data will be available.
Exactly which distro of Linux claims that it can keep serving up data, when
the media the data resides on has been destroyed? What's that sound I hear?
Is it the chirping of crickets?
I've never met anyone before who really, truly believes that computers run
on magic.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The upgrade
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:55:29 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> SuSE 7.1 defaults to cups, but lpr and LPRng are there also. I'm
> staying with the original myself.
I didn't notice CUPS when I installed 7.1 Personal.
--
---
Pete Goodwin
All your no fly zone are belong to us
My opinions are my own
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:45:06 +0100
In article <9ci2ba$njn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> No, for you it is flat. You have not got an overview of how the printer
> system works and as a result, from your limited information, you draw
> incorrect conclusions.
For the last time... the system wide default for the printer was set on
installation to an Epson printer. The Gimp chose to ignore this, so when
I printed, I got postscript printed as text. This is plain _wrong_.
--
---
Pete Goodwin
All your no fly zone are belong to us
My opinions are my own
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Windows pc gets Linux
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:46:23 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Lyx beats Word ANY day of the week. Granted, I'm biased, having done a
> maths degree. Ever tried putting equations/obscure mathematical symbols
> into Word?
Ever tried writing a simple letter with Lyx. It's far easier with Word.
--
---
Pete Goodwin
All your no fly zone are belong to us
My opinions are my own
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The upgrade
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:54:57 +0100
In article <9ci0vc$moh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Well good to hear you've had some success. IIRC, Suse used lpr instead of
> CUPS, so you might find your printers working better as well :-)
I remembered to switch The Gimp to use Epson printer - something that I
shouldn't really need to do, instead of the generic. This time it prints
correctly, without the mysterious red line I saw under Mandrake 7.2.
--
---
Pete Goodwin
All your no fly zone are belong to us
My opinions are my own
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:48:34 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Everyone I've ever talked to has experienced this. Remember that X runs
> as a process on top of Linux (X isn't Linux after all), while the GUI is
> compiled in with Windows. Some may say that this was a poor choice but
> Windows does seem to redraw faster.
That's unfortunate - one area where Windows appears to score over Linux.
> I'm actually very pleased with how audio works on Linux, actually I
> generally boot into it when I want to listen to music. I can listen to
> music and play a game (like Solitaire or whatever, just while I relax to
> the music) and not have to worry about the song skipping. I usually
> start up mpg123 from a non-GUI terminal and it plays solid as a rock...
> where as under Windows I take a chance when I play music, as it may
> crash the whole system.
You must have a dodgy driver then 8). I can get 3D sound on Windows, can
you get that on Linux?
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Pete Goodwin
All your no fly zone are belong to us
My opinions are my own
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The upgrade
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:52:47 +0100
In article <AaZG6.9827$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Windows 98 SE reinstalled everything and had to reboot a few times to
> complete the change over. It also sometimes crashes on shutdown.
Actually I fixed this crash - something to do with the games port. I did
swap sound cards as well as the CPU, motherboard and memory.
> Linux SuSE 7.1 just... worked. Hey!
When I tried to install the new drivers for the sound card, the drivers
from the previous card where still there. Yast2 correctly detected the
new card, but didn't give me the option to remove the old one. So, I had
to do that manually (modules.conf and alsound.conf).
My networking problems have gotten worse, before I could switch the
machine off after booting Windows and get a response out of my cable
modem, now that no longer works.
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Pete Goodwin
All your no fly zone are belong to us
My opinions are my own
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From: JamesW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Windows pc gets Linux
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:10:44 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
> > Lyx beats Word ANY day of the week. Granted, I'm biased, having done a
> > maths degree. Ever tried putting equations/obscure mathematical symbols
> > into Word?
>
> Ever tried writing a simple letter with Lyx. It's far easier with Word.
>
>
I've tried writing a simple letter with Word...
Clippy pops up - 'It looks like you're writing a letter. Would you like
help?'. So you have to stop typing, kill the annoying dancing paper clip
then get back to writing your letter. How does that make things easier?
Oh well Office XP to look forward to - main selling point it doesn't have
a useless feature no one wanted in the first place.
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