Linux-Advocacy Digest #54, Volume #32 Thu, 8 Feb 01 10:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Linux endeavor (Andreas Spengler)
Re: Interesting article (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop ("MH")
Re: Would linux hackers like an OpenS windows? (Michel Bardiaux)
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) ("Chad Myers")
Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop ("MH")
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell ("Unknown Poster")
Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop ("MH")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Mark Bratcher)
Re: GODDAMNED STINKING PIECE OF SHIT KULKIS ("[Bad-Knees]")
Re: Microsoft Small Business Server 2000 versus Linux comparison (sfcybear)
Re: Interesting article ("Fermin Sanchez")
Re: Interesting article ("Chad Myers")
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell ("Unknown Poster")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 08:38:38 -0500
G3 wrote:
>
> in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Karel Jansens at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 2/7/01 6:02 AM:
>
> > Define "consumer".
>
> 90% of the PC market.
Bzzzzzzzzt! Wrong.
Try again, loser.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:52:58 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 07 Feb 2001 21:00:44 GMT...
...and G3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Karel Jansens at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 2/7/01 6:02 AM:
>
> > Define "consumer".
>
> 90% of the PC market.
That's a circular definition, since any group constituting 90% of the
market of a product will be considered its consumers.
mawa
--
Often things ARE as bad as they seem!
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From: Andreas Spengler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux endeavor
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:40:14 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
> My aim is to measure user satisfaction in the use
> of Linux OS in the 5 variables of interest. More information will be
> provided on the survey itself. Please take the time to fill the
> questionnaire. It will not take you more than 5 to 10 minutes. Your
> help is critical to the completion of my degree.
> Assistance will be greatly appreciated. To all those who have filled
> out the questionnaire...Thank You!
> Mahalo Nui Loa (Thank you very much in Hawaiian)
Your page cannot completely accessed because of some M$ Office XML
Crap in it. And after submitting the form some M$ Server doesn't know
what to do with it and sends a dumb error message...
Are you really trying to measure something honestly?
Greets,
Andreas Spengler
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 12:34:38 +0100
2 + 2 wrote:
> The article compares OS/2 with the Win9x/Me code base in terms of
> innovation.
>
> Microsoft's real innovation with its OS products was with Windows NT/2000.
> And it competes with Linux and Unix.
>
> And OS/2 is no match for Linux in particular.
>
Well, in my experience, that depends:
I've NEVER seen anything which comes even close to the
speed of an OS/2 server if you use SMB protocol. OS/2 runs
rings around Win(everyVersion) and Samba.
OS/2 also has a quite decent implementation of TCP/IP, different
from that MS-shit.
The WPS is way better than the Windows-desktop. It is also
better as a single-user-desktop than X.
X is better in flexibility. The windows desktop is good for nothing.
IBM got lots right with OS/2, their marketing sucked big time.
I used it very long, now I have linux. Windows sucks.
--
"The PROPER way to handle HTML postings is to cancel the article, then
hire a hitman to kill the poster, his wife and kids, and fuck his dog and
smash his computer into little bits. Anything more is just extremism."
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 08:49:34 -0500
> >Thats not bad 33% decided to continue using it.
That's not what he wrote.
> Considering the level of vendorlock currently, that is
> somewhat remarkable really. Also, 33% would certainly
> be a nice chunk of the overall marketshare as well.
Linux isn't even close to 33% of the US market.
> Remember, those of us outside of Lemming land can be
> toleratant of the choices of others.
No, I don't think so. It's the LinLemmings that are so busy ridiculing
windows users .
I use both, I know many more people who use windows. Do I have one iota of
disdain for them because of what OS they use? Of course not. I couldn't care
less, and it never even enters my mind.
Can your garden variety LinLemming say the same thing?
NO.
They live to claim superiority by virtue of not being a captive of the
'borg'.
What complete nonsense.
They live to 'find' superiority by way of using a more difficult to use and
self-made underdog OS.
More nonsense.
A shallow victory to say the least.
> >
> >Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:YCRf6.3858$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > Don't believe me?
> >> >
> >> > I suggest you try Linux for yourself and make your own mind up.
> >>
> >> While I only partially agree with some of what you've written, I think
> >this
> >> is something everyone (including Linux advocates) can agree on.
> >>
> >> Sadly, my own experience is that 2 out of every 3 people I have talked
to
> >> that tried Linux, gave up on it without getting it to work
successfully.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> Common Standards, Common Ownership.
>
> The alternative only leads to destructive anti-capitalist
> and anti-democratic monopolies.
> |||
> / | \
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From: Michel Bardiaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Would linux hackers like an OpenS windows?
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 13:50:16 GMT
gswork wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > It would be fascinating would it not? Some of it is probably pretty
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > You misspelled "laughable"
> >
> > [Ever see Microsoft source code??? Most of it, even college sophomores
> > would be ashamed to sign their name to. No wonder Gates doesn't want
> > anybody to see it.]
>
> I haven't really. If it's that bad I'd like to see it!
>
> Any [verified] snippets hanging around on the net?
Easy: unleash VC++ on the MFC source with full warnings. Even Redmond
compilers don't like Redmond code...
--
Michel Bardiaux
Email Cc of replies welcome
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 13:36:02 GMT
"Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:95u0gf$4kq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : Well, since C# and the CLR are now ECMA standards, this is a possibilty.
>
>
> I find no evidence of this on ECMA's Web site.
>
> Have these products even been *submitted* to ECMA yet?
http://msdn.microsoft.com/net/ecma/
-Chad
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 08:54:54 -0500
> Yes, without the wintrolls we could have some nice
> discussions about TCO, about strategies for windows
> to Unix migration, the fine points of Linux vs FreeBSD
> vs Solaris, success stories, strategies for dealing with
> PHBs, LUG meeting announcements, and all sorts of
> other useful odds and ends. But, as it is, we suffer the
> endless yapping of wintrolls instead.
If you're posting to cola, you have no intention of doing anything other
than bitch-slapping with the trolls, or dick-sizing, or pretending to be
experts in some field. I'm not saying there isn't a good deal of knowledge
in cola, only that anyone with any traction in the IT field doesn't have the
time for the ubiquitous inanity that is passed off as fact --cola
style. --Not to mention the flood of BS from your 'experts' --
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From: "Unknown Poster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 08:54:27 -0500
"Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Unknown Poster wrote:
> >
> > "Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > >
> > > Define "consumer".
> > >
> > > --
> >
> > I don't know about him, but to me 'consumer' means John Q. Public
> > who goes into Best Buy, or Comp USA, or any other store and
> > purchases a computer that (s)he is able to take home, unbox,
> > plug in, and start using.
> >
> > *nix isn't even close.
> >
> > Windows 2K/9x is closer, but you still need to look at
> > a manual once in a while, and tweak a setting or three.
> >
> > MacOS *is* a consumer OS. That much they got right.
> > The sad thing is the lack of consumer software, due to
> > the small market share for the Mac.
> >
>
> So you don't consider someone who _does_ know about computers, and who
> doesn't mind (and might even like) tinkering with them, a consumer?
>
> DIY-shops don't target consumers then?
>
Excellant Point, and I concede! How about we say this:
*nix is not ready for the consumer who is not technically
inclined, nor will he ever be. This is the person who is
exactly like 90% of the Sr. Executives where I work. All
they know how to do is turn it on and use the software.
If the system says 'Domain Controller Not Found' because
they've forgotten to plug in their network cable to their
NIC port on the laptop, that's when they call the Help Desk,
and that's when I get dispatched to plug them in, because they
won't accept 'phone help'.
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 08:58:06 -0500
> > check out http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2001/January/os.html
> > linux 0% , windows 91% (and linux hardly beats Win 3.x :-).)
> > Maybe the rest of linux users is busy compiling kernels or
> > the yet have to figure out how to get onto the internet.
>
> I just took a quick glance, but that doesn't look like a very reliable
> site. What specifically was it measuring? How did they do it? Are they
> applicable to the topic under consideration?
Typical, typical, typical.
When a stat falls on the Linux side of the fence, it's to be put on
billboards for all to see.
When a stat doesn't, the stat provider is branded 'unreliable', or paid off
by MS.
What a F'n load of BS you people perpetrate. Much worse than ANY stat
published anywhere.
Thank god you're not in the media.
Those black helicopters are still circling boys.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Bratcher)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 14:03:33 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Geoffrey Tobin wrote:
>Grant Edwards wrote:
>>
>> Now, if somebody would compare Bill Gates to Hitler, we can officially
>> declare this thread deceased.
>
>OK, Bill Gates is to Adolf Hitler, as the Staten Island Ferry
>is to the Titanic.
>
Actually there is one interesting correlation:
The country's leader can get away with whatever he/she wants as long
as the people believe they are well taken care of economically.
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From: "[Bad-Knees]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GODDAMNED STINKING PIECE OF SHIT KULKIS
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 14:11:03 +0000
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Thats the spirit:)
[Bad-Knees]
In article <vaJd6.3944$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
>> Edward Rosten wrote:
>
>>> Marty wrote:
>
>>>> "[Bad-Knees]" wrote:
>
>>>>> Can't we just all get along:)
>
>>>> Unnecessary.
>
>>> Illogical.
>
>> Don't start with that Tholen-ish crap.
>
> What alleged "Tholen-ish crap", Kulkis?
>
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Small Business Server 2000 versus Linux comparison
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 14:06:35 GMT
Yeah, MS is running scared.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I just found this on Microsoft's site:
> http://www.microsoft.com/SBSERVER/productinfo/linux.htm
>
> No mention of the publication date, but it appears recent and it is
> copyright 2001.
>
> Microsoft again says Linux is more risky. But this is a very
impressive
> piece of spin:
>
> "The open-source nature of the product means that many Linux
deployments are
> somewhat unique and custom built with various solution pieces pulled
> together. Thus a small-business customer becomes highly reliant on the
> technology provider who designs and implements the Linux-based
network. If
> that technology provider is not available to continue to provide
support,
> there is not likely to be another provider who can easily step in and
have
> the knowledge to take over support of that custom-built network."
>
> In other words, Microsoft is now saying don't use Linux because you
will
> then be tied to a single technology provider! (Newbie alert: this is
false).
>
> It's very hard to find new material on Microsoft's site because its
search
> engine does not allow you to sort by date.
>
> Regards,
> Adam
>
>
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: "Fermin Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:13:30 +0100
Reply-To: "Fermin Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi Peter
"Peter Köhlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> OS/2 also has a quite decent implementation of TCP/IP, different
> from that MS-shit.
Which parts of MS's TCP/IP implementation don't you like? On which Windows
versions? Please be more specific.
> The WPS is way better than the Windows-desktop. It is also
> better as a single-user-desktop than X.
> X is better in flexibility. The windows desktop is good for nothing.
And again: Could you be more specific and share your insight with us?
> I used it very long, now I have linux. Windows sucks.
Now that's an interesting statement, considering also this:
> --
> "The PROPER way to handle HTML postings is to cancel the article, then
> hire a hitman to kill the poster, his wife and kids, and fuck his dog and
> smash his computer into little bits. Anything more is just extremism."
Grow up. Other succeeded in doing that.
--
With kind regards
Fermin Sanchez
MCSE+i, MCT
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 14:24:04 GMT
"Peter Köhlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> 2 + 2 wrote:
>
> > The article compares OS/2 with the Win9x/Me code base in terms of
> > innovation.
> >
> > Microsoft's real innovation with its OS products was with Windows NT/2000.
> > And it competes with Linux and Unix.
> >
> > And OS/2 is no match for Linux in particular.
> >
>
> Well, in my experience, that depends:
> I've NEVER seen anything which comes even close to the
> speed of an OS/2 server if you use SMB protocol. OS/2 runs
> rings around Win(everyVersion) and Samba.
Do you have any benchmarks to evidence this?
I would have to disagree with you. I consulted with several
companies (banks and school systems mainly) who had a huge investment
in OS/2 and couldn't wait to scrap it when NT 3.51 came out. OS/2
warp came out and they had no interest in it whatsoever. However,
when NT 4.0 came out, they couldn't get it fast enough.
> OS/2 also has a quite decent implementation of TCP/IP, different
> from that MS-shit.
I don't see OS/2 setting any speed records, nor do I see them
on the leader board on any performance benchmarks. In fact, I
don't see OS/2 ANYWHERE on the tpc.org. Meanwhile, I see
Windows 2000 taking the lead over big-iron Unix. Let's
see OS/2 do that. Yeah right. Face it, OS/2 is pretty crappy.
It doesn't excel in anything, it has some good stuff, but nothing
better than anyone else. What little innovative features OS/2
did have have been made better in the above mentioned OSen.
OS/2 is irrelevant now (not to say it was ever relevant in the
first place).
> The WPS is way better than the Windows-desktop. It is also
> better as a single-user-desktop than X.
> X is better in flexibility. The windows desktop is good for nothing.
That's why it's the most popular, most recognizable, and most
easy to use on several ease-of-us tests. I'll try to find the URL
but I found a test like this at a major university where they
sat a couple dozen people of varying computer literacy in front
of various OSen and their GUIs. They asked them to perform a series
of easy tasks (copy a file, move a folder, rename a folder, open
an application, open a document, etc). By and far, everyone was
able to sit at windows and perform the actions within minutes.
All the other OSen, the people either couldn't perform all the tasks,
or it took them significantly longer-- including OS/2. The fact is,
as much as you want to bash the Windows OS, it accomplishes way
more than either X or WPS could ever accomplish. It may not have
ALL the features (although WindowsXP will) but it has a far
greater list of features than any of the other OSes combined.
> IBM got lots right with OS/2, their marketing sucked big time.
> I used it very long, now I have linux. Windows sucks.
Well, that just shows what you know.
-Chad
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From: "Unknown Poster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 09:38:51 -0500
> >
> > Well, since you were unclear on the level of Gates's "dishonesty", I
> > couldn't really be sure what you were talking about. I assumed you
meant
> > the hyperbole of Windows reliability, not actual breach of contract.
Can
> > you bring suit over hyperbole?
>
> To start with...Fraud
>
It's hard to litigate fraud, when the agreements don't specify that
the software will actually work.
It's vague, but it is in the EULA from Microsoft.
Jason..
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