Linux-Advocacy Digest #209, Volume #27 Tue, 20 Jun 00 17:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Windows98 (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes (Craig Kelley)
Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes (Craig Kelley)
Re: Windows98 ("James")
Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes (JEDIDIAH)
Re: MacOS X sceptic (was Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes) (Craig Kelley)
Re: MacOS X sceptic (Craig Kelley)
Re: How many times, installation != usability. (Craig Kelley)
Re: Linux is awesome! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Thinking of reading anything by simon777 ? Read this first before you do .......
("James")
Re: stability of culture of helpfulness (John Arebir)
Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes (Joe Ragosta)
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows98
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:12:03 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gary Connors wrote:
>
> "Robert L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Win98 is a good OS. If well configured, it may be bug less.
> > I mean, habitually, it take 3-4 month before i have to reinstalled it.
>
> Do you realize how silly this sounds? Okay, I'm may be going out on a
> limb here, but is TOTALLY unacceptable to have reinstall an OS every "3-4"
> months. It's TOTALLY unacceptable to have to reinstall it at all. In the
> almost 3 years I've worked with SGI's, I have NEVER seen a single one of
> them crash. I have NEVER seen a single of them "break". The ONLY time
> they ever get rebooted is when new hardware in installed or when it
> necissary to apply security fixes. That's it. In the 6 years of owning
> and using Mac's at home, i have NEVER in my entire life needed to
> reinstall the OS to make it work. It may crash, but at least on reboot it
> works still and I assume as long as you don't run your Linux box as root
> 24/7, it won't need to be reinstalled either thanks to Unix File
> permissions preventing the user from messing with critical system files.
> I still don't understand how the Registry gets corrupted and futhermore I
> dont get why on Earth MS still uses the Regitry if one corruption can
> bring down the OS in such a big way as to require a OS reinstall.
>
> That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
Your opinion is correct.
That's why anybody with a degree in Computer Science or Computer
Systems Engineering recognizes LoseDows for the pile of shit that it is.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:13:15 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bill Unruh wrote:
>
> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin
>Smith) writes:
> >What about d) The source code is available to all? Read the Cathedral
> >and the Bazaar by Eric Raymond:
>
> Although his contention is that all bugs are shallow in open source,
> this is less true than it should be. See the recent bug report on the
> PGP5.0(?) disasterous bug for automatically generated keys. For two
> years this open source program had a disasterous bug, and it was only
> discovered recently. Of course you could argue that the the only reason
> it was actually discovered at all was that it was open source, but 2
> years is a long time for a shallow bug to stay hidden.
Of course, if it was a Microsoft product, Redmond would be denying
the existance of the bug for another 3 years....
>
> Ie, to find the bugs, the code actually has to be read and studied. With
> something like linux, I suspect there are vast tacts of it which have
> only ever been studied by the original writer.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 20 Jun 2000 14:23:14 -0600
Joe Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Craig Kelley
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Lawrence DčOliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > In article <8igon7$2us$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Christopher Smith"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >...when you move up to NT or Win2k and can set the drive letters
> > > >yourself, it becomes just like the Mac system, albeit with only one
> > > >letter
> > > >volume names.
> > >
> > > Except that configurable drive letters are still drive specifications,
> > > not volume specifications, right? If, say, I have a CD-ROM drive called
> > > X:, and a CD-Writer called Y:, and I have a CD called "My Photos",
> > > there's no way I can refer to the CD by its volume name, only by its
> > > drive letter, and the drive letter depends on which drive I put the CD
> > > into, right?
> > >
> > > Not like the Mac system, where I can refer to the CD by its volume
> > > name,
> > > regardless of which drive it's in.
> >
> > Yes, but on the other hand, there's no easy way to say "Access the CD
> > in the third CD-Rom drive" under MacOS.
>
> There isn't? Please be specific. I have no problem accessing the CD in
> any of the CD-ROM drives on my Mac.
Write an applescript to play all MP3s from whatever CD is loaded into
the third drive. The script is trival to write, as long as you code
in a volume name or tell it to accept a dragged-in folder, or if you
prompt for the volume name; but if you always want your 2x CDROM to
play MP3s regardless, it is difficult (impossible? Probably not, but
I can't think of an obvious way to do it off the top of my head).
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 20 Jun 2000 14:24:42 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Kooy) writes:
> What if you are being obtuse and name it Z - how does it handle any
> other partitions then - does it cycle back to C:/?
By default, it uses the first alphabetical letter below B that isn't
in use.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows98
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:25:43 +0200
David,
Even though Win98 is a much more usable desktop in many respects (including
games) than Linux it is, agreeably, highly unreliable. Therefore your post
in this NG will have no credibility, even though it deserves some. In the
company I work for we run Win95 on most desktops (some 20000+) and of course
experience the usual problems - mostly users corrupting their own systems.
The company will in the next 2-3 years upgrade all desktops and backends
(from Novell & GroupWise) to W2k. Linux, with its limited and crude desktop
apps, its complicated man-machine interface (for average users), is simply
not an option.
I have been running W2k without ANY problems - not ONE crash since
installation in Feb 2000. I run Mandrake 7.1 (and W2k) at home just to keep
up with Linux progress. I have been running most Linux distros since the
mid-90s, and have seen remarkable progress. But is still has miles to go as
a desktop. Linux is for tinkering. W2k is for work.
James
"David Cancio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:LYl35.1231$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi everyone. First of all to avoid void flames, I work as GNU/Linux
> and Solaris administration, and do not find difficult any of them. I can
> manage to do whatever I want be it from GNU/Linux, Solaris, Windows
> NT, Windows 98, and the so ... (I've been playing around with computers
> since CP/M 2.2, and I like them and I think I understand them ...). This
> said, I find that as home OS, Windows 98 is the TODAY option for almost
> everyone. Sure it freezes, sure registry is awful, sure it is expensive,
> sure it
> is a shitty code, but sure that if something can be done with a computer
> (again,
> home users in mind), then Windows 98 can do it (okay, try do it well at
> least,
> to be honest). I mean, why have only GNU/Linux at my home when a magazine
> gives an English course (for Windows) ? Why can't I test all those new
games
> ?
> Why can't I use my hardware (Windows 98 targeted most of it) at full power
?
> Yeah, I know GNU/Linux does support most of the hardware, but a lot of
> vendors add nice features that are only available with Windows 98 drivers.
> Even
> Windows 2000 fails at this (and at games and multimedia too). Sure that if
> I only do programming and internet, GNU/Linux is the best real option, but
> having only GNU/Linux at home, does close unnecessarily some doors that
> some day you may cross, doesn't it ?
>
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:32:37 GMT
On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:24:25 GMT, Joe Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:53:58 GMT, Joe Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:43:11 +1200, Lawrence DčOliveiro
>> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> You've still yet to demonstrate what's really "so modern" about
>> >> >> the way MacOS does things...
>> >> >
>> >> >Robust filesystem object references, that don't depend on which drive
>> >>
>> >> ...which are also fail if you should be unlucky enough to
>> >> decide to name your volume something someone else has.
>> >
>> >Huh?
>> >
>> >Please be more specific. I can easily change my Mac's hard drive name
>> >and nothing breaks.
>>
>> What does it do when two volumes have the same name?
>> This possibility has already been discussed and the
>> solution didn't sound elegant at all.
>
>Not elegant?
Certainly. The user has to alter they way they use the
system due to an inherent flaw. They shouldn't have to
change the volumename at all.
>
>MacOS doesn't care if you change the name.
>
>Here-let's put out a specific example.
>
>I have 3 partitions on my drive: System, Applications, VM. I create an
>alias for the System and Applications drives and put them in my Apple
>Menu. That allows me to access any file on those partitions with a
>single click.
>
>Now, I change the name of all 3 partitions to: "drive".
>
>Everything still works. VM still works on the partition formerly known
>as VM. The aliases still work.
>
>What could be more elegant?
--
If you know what you want done, it is quite often more useful to
tell the machine what you want it to do rather than merely having
the machine tell you what you are allowed to do.
|||
/ | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: MacOS X sceptic (was Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes)
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 20 Jun 2000 14:31:30 -0600
Lawrence DčOliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Craig Kelley
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Lawrence DčOliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >> Who uses POSIX any more?
> >
> >MacOS X, of course.
> >
> >> >We certainly wouldn't like it if critical utilities like Sendmail,
> >> >XFree86, and such suddenly would stop working.
> >>
> >> Why not fix those programs to work with a more modern filesystem? I
> >> know--because they would then break on UNIXes still using the old
> >> filesystem.
> >
> >But MacOS X will *use* UNIX conventions... Seems Apple has seen the
> >light. :)
>
> If they had, they wouldn't be trying to produce yet another MacOS/UNIX
> combined Frankensystem. Let me see: first there was A/UX from 1988 or
> so,
A/UX had absolutely nothing to do with MacOS -- it was Apple UNIX, not
MacOS done with UNIX.
> then Apple bought NextStep/OpenStep, turned it into Rhapsody/Yellow
> Box, and now is calling it Cocoa in MacOS X--I make that four attempts
> in all
And if they decide to change the name to MissSwiss in the final
release, would that make Cocoa a failure as well?
Interesting.
>, not counting those short-lived AIX servers. None of them have
> been successful, and I don't think the latest effort will be either. Mac
> users just don't see the point in UNIX on the desktop. (Nor, it appears,
> does anybody else, for that matter...)
We'll see.
At least they'll have memory protection...
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: MacOS X sceptic
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 20 Jun 2000 14:33:44 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Kooy) writes:
[snip about MacOS X using UNIX]
> Also, the fact that it is a Unix won't be obvious to users, unless they
> particularly want to use horrid things like a command line.
A command line is great! People speak with language as well as
pictures.
> MacOSX client will be a good thing, once they get a few of the HI things
> sorted, just like NextStep was. Trust me.
NextStep as a very good initial release; MacOS X will be a
much-better polished version.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: How many times, installation != usability.
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 20 Jun 2000 14:36:49 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Sorry but I don't believe you at all.
>
> I have a Pentium 450mhz with 256mb and some of the fastest UltraDma
> and SCSI hard drives you can buy and on my system the little sprocket
> in the kfm window spins longer than it should after clicking on the
> /dev directory.
>
> Try scrolling while kfm is still churning..
I don't know about KDE, but gmc from gnome 1.2 takes about 2 seconds
to show the /dev directory on my Celron 400/SCSI-2 system.
[snip steve's waste-o-bandwidth]
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux is awesome!
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:38:58 GMT
Ha ha....
If you only knew...
Ever hear of an IBM 2821?
IBM 3330?
IBM 3340?
IBM 3033?
Look them up and that will give you a slight clue as to how long I
have been in this (the computer) business.
You most likely weren't even born yet...
On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:32:56 -0500, Nathaniel Jay Lee
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>pac4854 wrote:
>>
>> Don't feed the trolls.
>>
>> Once his acne goes into remission, and he graduates from high
>> school, and he finally gets laid, he'll go away.
>>
>> Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.
>> Up to 100 minutes free!
>> http://www.keen.com
>
>Yeah, I know. I was having a really bad day yesterday and venting on
>dumbass seemed the best way to relieve some tension. I quite honestly
>think that this guy has got to be getting paid for some of this shit.
>Have you seen that amount of time he spends posting stuff under his
>various names? He has got to either have a full time job in M$ doing
>exactly this, or he is a drop out that absolutely refuses to leave the
>house and spends all his time on the computer, hoping mommy can afford
>to buy his food for him. Of course, I could be wrong, but I have a
>feeling I'm not far off. One of those two has to be right. More than
>likely the M$ is paying him theory is the correct one. Why else would
>he be so incredibly pissed off at the mere existance of something other
>than M$?
>
>Nathaniel Jay Lee
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Thinking of reading anything by simon777 ? Read this first before you do
.......
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:39:44 +0200
ad·vo·ca·cy (àdčve-ke-sê) noun The act of pleading or arguing in favor of
something, such as a cause, an idea, or a policy; active support.
You cannot discuss the attributes of Linux in a vacuum - therefore to argue
in FAVOUR of Linux you will have to mention other choices over which it is
favoured. Am I making any sense here???
James
"Terry Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:37:43 +0200, James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Please note that this newsgroup is intended for arguments FOR and AGAINST
> ^^^^^^^
> >Linux.
> WRONG !!!
> Please learn the meaning of ADVOCACY ????
>
> > Steve often identifies real (as opposed to imaginary) shortcomings
> >of Linux. Yes, perhaps he does have too many aliases, and perhaps he is
> ^^^^^^^
> WRONG: They are not aliases, they are FALSE identities, to escape from
kill
> files.
>
> >wrong from time to time.
> WRONG: Theis person is a Troll 100% of the time.
>
> > But this newsgroup will be very boring if everyone
> >just praises Linux.
> Why ?
> Theres a lot to praise, unlike the OS *your* using right now.
>
> > IMHO Linux has established itself as a server OS, but
> >has many miles to go before it qualifies as a decent Desktop.
> Only in your opinion, ive been using Linux AS a desktop since 1997.
>
> > Critics, like
> ^^^^^^^
> WRONG: Steve is not a critic, he is a Wintroll. People need to know the
> **difference**.
>
> >Steve, are there to point out these shortcomings.
> >It is all about democracy - and calling a spade a spade!
> Gardening department next building on the left, have a good day.
>
> >James
> >
> >
> >"Terry Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Would you take advice from a Ford salesman, trying to convince you
> >> that Honda's were crap ?
> >>
> >> What if he didn't actually know anything about cars anyway ?
> >>
> >> How about if he was so ashamed of his real identity, being
> >> a total liar and bs artist, that every time you went to that
> >> particular car yard, he had changed his name ?
> >>
> >> This is simon777, otherwise known as "Steve/Heather/Amy/Keys88" etc.
> >>
> >> He has been posting here for 2 years, and its always the same Wintroll
> >> stuff, clever but untrue.
> >>
> >> Do yourself a favor if you're a lurker or a undecided Linux user :-
> >>
> >> ** kill file him **!
> >>
> >> If you do, you'll have a LOT less stuff to read, and will be able to
get
> >down
> >> to the nitty gritty, of good old Linux advocacy, without the lies.
> >>
> >>
> >> Is your time worth more than reading his lies ?
> >>
> >>
> >> Kind Regards
> >> Terry
> >> --
> >> **** To reach me, use [EMAIL PROTECTED] ****
> >> My Desktop is powered by GNU/Linux, and has been
> >> up 1 day 15 hours 53 minutes
> >> ** Registration Number: 103931, http://counter.li.org **
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Kind Regards
> Terry
> --
> **** To reach me, use [EMAIL PROTECTED] ****
> My Desktop is powered by GNU/Linux, and has been
> up 4 days 12 hours 53 minutes
> ** Registration Number: 103931, http://counter.li.org **
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From: John Arebir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: stability of culture of helpfulness
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:42:18 -0400
On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:02:32 GMT, Oliver Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Real-world example:
Our company started writing our flagship WinXX Clients and UNIX based
server application in Mar 95 (2 developers). It was first released in
December 96. This and our other 5 applications run on 1 Linux box.
Recommended server for < 50 users: PII 300 w 128Mb RAM.
We had 3 support people supporting 150 clients on this system.
We were bought out by a company who at the same approximate time had 5
developers writing a functionally equivalant application, NT based.
5 developers for 5 years to first non-beta releases. Support now up to
8 people for 20 clients. The system requires 6 NT servers to operate.
Summary:
Linux based system:
Development costs: 2 development man years
Install Hardware cost: 1 PII 500/128Mb server $3,000
50 Celeron/64Mb WS. ($50,000) $ 50,000
Support cost: 1 support man year per 50 clients
================================================================
NT based system:
Development costs: 25 development man years
Install Hardware cost: 6 PIII/256Mb servers $36,000
50 PII/128Mb WS $75,000
Support Costs: 1 support man years per 5 customers
================================================================
Note: Install Hardware Cost is per customer with 50 users.
The NT based system yearly support costs will drop some as the NT
based system becomes more stable, but that is to be seen.
>Hi,
>
>
>This is a delayed crosspost that I first made to alt.os.linux. I've had
>one helpful reply so far, but it would be still more help to hear a
>couple more.
>
>Although I'm neither business savvy nor computer savvy, I'm writing an
>article for a trade magazine on the subject of a big company that has
>chosen Linux for its very big PC cluster. The business people at this
>company consider Linux a great way to save money on computer support
>costs--not just because they believe it to be more trouble-free, but
>because they feel they can just log onto the net and get expert free
>help any time, thus eliminating the need for most of their support
>staff.
>
>I have a couple questions:
>
>1)Does this make sense--that they could reduce their support staff? (and
>if so, by how much? if anybody cares to make an estimate.)
>
>2) Is this culture of on-line helpfulness impervious to a)increasing
>numbers of Linux users, b)increasing numbers of queries from Linux users
>at companies who--it might be perceived--could afford to hire people to
>generate in-house the answers they are instead getting through the
>kindness of strangers.
>
>So far, one person has said it doesn't matter what the affliation is of
>who is asking (though their perceived attitude does).
>
>I'd be grateful for any comments.
>
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From: Joe Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:45:20 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:24:25 GMT, Joe Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:53:58 GMT, Joe Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:43:11 +1200, Lawrence DčOliveiro
> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> You've still yet to demonstrate what's really "so modern" about
> >> >> >> the way MacOS does things...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Robust filesystem object references, that don't depend on which
> >> >> >drive
> >> >>
> >> >> ...which are also fail if you should be unlucky enough to
> >> >> decide to name your volume something someone else has.
> >> >
> >> >Huh?
> >> >
> >> >Please be more specific. I can easily change my Mac's hard drive name
> >> >and nothing breaks.
> >>
> >> What does it do when two volumes have the same name?
> >> This possibility has already been discussed and the
> >> solution didn't sound elegant at all.
> >
> >Not elegant?
>
> Certainly. The user has to alter they way they use the
> system due to an inherent flaw. They shouldn't have to
> change the volumename at all.
They DON'T have to change the volume name.
But, if they wish, the OS handles it with ease.
What part of that is too complicated fo ryou?
>
> >
> >MacOS doesn't care if you change the name.
> >
> >Here-let's put out a specific example.
> >
> >I have 3 partitions on my drive: System, Applications, VM. I create an
> >alias for the System and Applications drives and put them in my Apple
> >Menu. That allows me to access any file on those partitions with a
> >single click.
> >
> >Now, I change the name of all 3 partitions to: "drive".
> >
> >Everything still works. VM still works on the partition formerly known
> >as VM. The aliases still work.
> >
> >What could be more elegant?
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