Linux-Advocacy Digest #252, Volume #27 Thu, 22 Jun 00 11:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux is awesome! (Secretly Cruel)
Re: High School is out...here come the trolls...who can't accept the future.
("Robert L.")
Re: Wintrolls in panic! ("Robert L.")
Re: Linux app spec... (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: X can't be that slow ("Robert L.")
Re: Why We Should Be Nice To Windows Users -was- Neologism of the day
(=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Re: Run Linux on your desktop? Why? I ask for proof, not advocacy lies....
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: What UNIX is good for. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Stupid idiots that think KDE is a Window Manager (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: High School is out...here come the trolls...who can't accept the future.
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: What UNIX is good for. ("Jonathan Fosburgh")
Re: It's all about the microsurfs ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: High School is out...here come the trolls...who can't accept the future. ("John
Hughes")
Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes (Craig Kelley)
Re: High School is out...here come the trolls...who can't accept the future. ("John
Hughes")
Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes (Craig Kelley)
Re: Linux is awesome! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is awesome! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: 486 Linux setup, 250 meg HD, which distro ??? (Charles Philip Chan)
Re: 10 Linux "features" nobody cares about. (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: 10 Linux "features" nobody cares about. (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE (Craig Kelley)
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From: Secretly Cruel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awesome!
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:05:21 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Welcome, young grasshopper, Welcome.
Thankya, thankya verra much.
--+==]Secretly Cruel[==+--
(Antispam measure is obvious in email address)
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From: "Robert L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: High School is out...here come the trolls...who can't accept the future.
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:10:18 GMT
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit dans le
message news: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Robert L. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote on Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:23:39 GMT
> <vUd45.128855$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >No, he is totally right.
> >0.3 % of user is Linux user.
> >
> >OS of user that go at www.microsoft.com
> >60% win98, win95
> >39% win2k, winNT
> >0.7% ( other platform)
> >0.3% Linux.
> >
> >As you can see, it's at the microsoft website, they get the result.
>
> Well, we now know where the .3% number came from; problem is, there's
> a slight bias, there. :-)
>
> I don't think "visitors of www.microsoft.com" is a representative
> sample of all Web browsing users -- not that all users browse
> the web, either.
>
> [rest snipped]
That's my point. If we put a counter on some of Linux website ( freshmeat,
slashdot, etc... ) I think the result will be 90% of user used Linux.
And i do think that 0.3% of Linux user go on microsoft website.
But i do think that Linux is on more home computer than 0.3% of the home
market. I don't know any %, else i'll write it.
BTW, this is not a website that some wintroll give that get this result? if
i remember well it was and there was a second website link.
This second one was saying something like "Number of distribution is higher
than the number of user"
I go on a website saying there is ~120 distrib. I know 10 Linux user in
Montreal. Did that mean we are 1/12 of the Linux user?
As you can see, this second web site is simply lying. The first one ( saying
0.3%) is propably lying too, it was post together.
PS. It's true that there's too much distrib. but i don't care i'll use only
4 distrib RH, Mandrake, debian and slackware. Other, i'm not interested in.
PS2. half of the distrib are a copy of another one, and they add their own
package.
Ex: Tiny Linux: Have the first 3 package of Slackware 4 ( package a, n and
prog ). This distrib is for low hard disk computer.
You don't have to try them all, just the one you need.
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From: "Robert L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Wintrolls in panic!
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:17:36 GMT
"2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit dans le message news:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > But I really, really would like to know what makes
> > a wintroll a wintroll!
> >
> > Why do they STILL insist on touting Microsoft!
> >
> > What could possibly keep a person going on the Microsoft
> > bandwagon? What could it be?
>
> BECAUSE LINSUX SUXX AND ALL LINSUX CAN DO IS SHUFFAL TEXT FIALS ALL DAY
> AND I CANT EVEN WORK OUT HOW TO USE THE CAPSLOCK KEY NEVER MIND
> SOMETHING AS USEFUL AS A COMMANDLINE
>
Can't use the capslock key? You don't know how to remove the capslock?
Don't blame Linux, just ask in the configuration NG.
I think you can simply press the "Caps Locks" key on your keyboard.
<Homer Simpson>
Where's the any key?
</Homer Simpson>
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From: Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux app spec...
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:21:16 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Sorry, Nathenial, I don't think Simon and Mingus correlate, unless he forgot
> how to spell his name. The person you are thinking of is Simon Magus (Simon
> the Magician), for whom the sin of simmony was named. This name Mingus
> sounds more like a Romanized version of Emperor Ming of The Planet Mongo who
> was played in the serials by Charles Middleton.
>
> Either way, nice free association.
>
> Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Simon????????????
> >
> >
> > Mingus wrote:
Well, you never know.
Nathaniel Jay Lee
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Robert L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X can't be that slow
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:29:45 GMT
"2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit dans le message news:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> I hear lots of trolls complaining about the speed of X. I have a p133
> with a Riva128 based card and have never noticed X to be slow. What is
> everyone doing to X which makes it crawl? In my personal experience for
> ordinary desktop things it is so fast that I don't notice any delays.
>
> I have tried running windowed games like quake under both windows and
> linux, and they were both absoloutly appauling, so I never tried it
> again.
>
> can anyone awnser my question, what is everyone doing to X to make it so
> slow???
>
> -Ed
Misconfigured. If you put the SVGA server instead of the S3 server when you
have a S3 video card.
Bad drivers, it happen too in windows.
When i need speed, i don't use X. My root don't have a windows manager ready
( just the one that is set automaticly by RH 5.2 setup )
Some people may think that X is kde or gnome, and they are saying that X is
slow.
I use only games from both, i use qvwm instead, not for the windows look,
but for the speed. Take 1/5 of the time that kde take to start.
( my Linux box have 16 Meg )
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why We Should Be Nice To Windows Users -was- Neologism of the day
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:30:35 +0200
Rich C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Who ever said that GUI == mouse and CLI == keyboard ?
>
> So what is a text-based "graphical interface"? (such as the old DOS PC-tools
> shell without a mouse.) Is that a graphical interface? Or is it simply a
> slicked up text interface? Is it a GUI once you have a mouse installed and
> you can click on stuff, even though it's still just text and text-based
> graphic characters? What about the old WordPerfect 5.1 which had a mouse and
> menu interface? Was that a GUI?
>
> I guess I am saying YES, GUI == mouse and CLI == keyboard.
I have to disagree, kind of. GUI implies mouse (or other pointing
device) and CLI (usually) means keyboard. BUT mouse doesn't imply GUI
and keyboard doesn't imply CLI.
E.g. a text-adventure *is* a CLI game, but Tetris is *not*, even so you
play it with the keyboard. A chess-game where you move the pieces with
the mouse *is* a GUI-game, Quake is *not*, even when you use the mouse
for moving.
A CLI means you enter your command(s) as a string of characters followed
by a specific key (Enter, Newline, Return, whatever). This line is then
interpreted by the CLI (Interpreter, not Interface). The line can also
be generated by other means like voice recognition.
With a GUI you have graphical elements, that you manipulate (via the
mouse), e.g. icons that represent physical or logical objects or
buttons/menues that represent commands. In some apps (like a graphics
app), the manipulations are means to itself (at least for the graphics,
not for things like buttons/menues), in others (like a file-manager)
they tell the computer what to do, like moving a file, starting a
program, etc.
Actually, a GUI driven program can generate comand-lines for a CLI,
Khoros (a signal-processing app for Unices, both audio and video) is one
example. You could even create the piped command, somebody mentioned
before, with it.
The thing you are constantly talking about, something I would call the
event-driven interface (EDI), which *also* includes "key pressed" event
handling, is *not* the same as a CLI. The computer waits for something
to happen (like a key-press or a mouse-move or a joystick-jiggle or ...)
and then acts acordingly. Modern "CLIs" (actually the interface were you
type the comand-line) aka shells often include an EDI that aids in
composing the CL, like filename completion or history- buffer recall.
GUIs need an EDI to handle the mouse events, but often also act on
key-presses for command short-cuts or for things like renaming files -
they *could* be done solely with the mouse, but why?
<sarcasm>
Puritans, who insist that keyboard short-cuts "water-down" GUIs with a
CLI, should be forced (depending on their orientation) to either use
their computer just with a mouse or an oldfashioned teletype (who needs
a monitor for a CLI?)
</sarcasm >
Lars T.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Run Linux on your desktop? Why? I ask for proof, not advocacy lies....
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:33:07 GMT
Sounds like I've hit a nerve................
On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:56:15 -0400, Gary Hallock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Ever try root canal?
>>
>> Given the choice of being subjected to using tex or having root canal
>> I would choose the root canal.
>
>Hey, I'd pay to watch you have root canal!!! But only if you have to
>stay awake with no pain killers.
>
>Gary
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: What UNIX is good for.
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:34:13 GMT
Quite possibly, but first you have to find one.
On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:03:02 -0400, "Colin R. Day"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Because you are a geek.....
>>
>> And I can produce 100 secrateries that can produce fantastic
>> presentations, embedded video/audio and so forth with Powerpoint while
>> you are still figuring out how to get latex to work with the overhead
>> projector.
>
>I suspect that a touch typist who knows TeX would produce TeX
>documents in less time than Powerpoint presentations.
>
>Colin Day
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From: Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Stupid idiots that think KDE is a Window Manager
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:33:12 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > There's a file in your home directory called .xinitrc (if not, create
> > it). Just put the line
> >
> > exec kwm
> >
> > into this file, make sure it is executable (by chmod +x .xinitrc) and
> > run X. This will show you what just kwm is like. Although, if you
> want
> > to try out just a window manager instead of a windowing environment,
> > you'd probably be better out trying out enlightenment or something
> else
> > designed to run as just a window manager. KWM isn't really much
> without
> > the other components of KDE.
>
> Yep, it was pretty minimal but still an interesting thing to see.
> Looks like trying one of the other window managers would be the
> way to go here, I never could find KWM as a standalone window manager,
> I assume that that isn't its mission in life.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
No problem. I would definitely suggest trying out Enlightenment and
Windowmaker. Either one of them are pretty cool, and fairly lightweight
compared to KDE or GNOME (in fact, up until recently GNOME ran over the
Enlightenment window manager by default). Enlightenment is good if you
really want to see some futuristic or just off the wall looking themes
(the more off the wall, the more overhead), but Windowmaker is pretty
cool in its own right. Have fun trying out other stuff too. Just find
what fits for you.
Nathaniel Jay Lee
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: High School is out...here come the trolls...who can't accept the future.
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:42:45 GMT
I don't disagree on the 30 percent number if it is applied to servers.
Mark said 30 percent of all BUISNESS'S. In that statement he said
nothing of servers.
My points (sblive, crappy fonts etc) are directed at desktop. I have
no problems with Linux as a server and in fact think it is a great way
to save a lot of money.
Same for a development platform for those not fortunate enough to fork
over ridiculous prices for those vertical applications.
However if you take the entire picture, desktop and server as a whole
Linux use is so minuscule compared to Windows it can barely be
measured.
On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:43:08 -0500, "Bobby D. Bryant"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> 30 PERCENT!!!! ???
>>
>> What kind of drugs are you on?
>
>I think both sides are trying to fudge a bit in this argument. The Linux
>advocates want to measure market share in terms of *server* share, and the
>Windows advocates want to measure market share in terms of *desktop*
>share. Benchmarketing at its finest: pick the figure that supports your
>choice.
>
>Either is, of course, OK. But it's really funny watching alternating posts
>in these threads, where the debators totally ignore what the numbers quoted
>by their opponents are actually measuring.
>
>Yes, Linux (apparently[*]) runs almost 30% of the world's servers. Yes,
>Linux (apparently) runs on only the tiniest fraction of the world's
>desktops.
>
>And then there are the trends....
>
>Bobby Bryant
>Austin, Texas
>
>[*] Based on what various news sources have been reporting, citing Netcraft
>in turn. I have never seen the numbers at www.netcraft.com, so I *assume*
>they come from a pay-for-view portion of the Netcraft survey. The most
>recent number I've seen quoted was 29%, vs. 25% a mere three months
>before. The Netcraft site tells which domains were surveyed, and it looks
>very extensive, if not exhaustive.
>
>As a footnote to the footnote, the free portion of the Netcraft site
>mentions "almost 850,000 web sites that run Linux and provide a
>personalised server header". This does not even come *close* to the cited
>29%, since the survey covered 15 million servers. This *may* mean that the
>quoted 29% is -way- off base, or it *may* merely mean that only a small
>fraction of Linux servers "provide a personalised server header". You can
>read all there is to know about it at www.netcraft.com.
>
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From: "Jonathan Fosburgh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: What UNIX is good for.
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:43:38 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Quite possibly, but first you have to find one.
That's what lyx is for.
>
>
> On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:03:02 -0400, "Colin R. Day"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >> Because you are a geek.....
> >>
> >> And I can produce 100 secrateries that can produce fantastic
> >> presentations, embedded video/audio and so forth with Powerpoint while
> >> you are still figuring out how to get latex to work with the overhead
> >> projector.
> >
> >I suspect that a touch typist who knows TeX would produce TeX
> >documents in less time than Powerpoint presentations.
> >
> >Colin Day
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: It's all about the microsurfs
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:44:19 GMT
It doesn't even matter because half the hardware in those machines
won't run Linux anyway so Linux isn't even an option.
On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:45:33 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 07:13:51 -0400, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Soon that best deal with be HP Linux or Gateway Linux. Just think, take
>>away M$ software and you can sell the computer for, at least, $100 less.
>
>Proof please? Provide a component-by-compenent breakdown of the parts
>(including Windows) in both Gateway's and HP's cheapest Windows PC's, and
>demonstrate that Windows adds "at least" $100 to the cost of production.
>
>If you cannot do this, then retract your statement.
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From: "John Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: High School is out...here come the trolls...who can't accept the future.
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:50:43 +0100
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Robert L. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote on Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:23:39 GMT
> <vUd45.128855$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >No, he is totally right.
> >0.3 % of user is Linux user.
> >
> >OS of user that go at www.microsoft.com
> >60% win98, win95
> >39% win2k, winNT
> >0.7% ( other platform)
> >0.3% Linux.
> >
> >As you can see, it's at the microsoft website, they get the result.
>
> Well, we now know where the .3% number came from; problem is, there's
> a slight bias, there. :-)
>
> I don't think "visitors of www.microsoft.com" is a representative
> sample of all Web browsing users -- not that all users browse
> the web, either.
>
Those figures arent from Microsoft. Check out .....
http://websnapshot.mycomputer.com/index.html
and
http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2000/June/os.html
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 22 Jun 2000 08:43:07 -0600
"Shock Boy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Of course you can *install* it on any letter, but *moving* it after
> > the fact is a different story.
>
> Actually, that's exactly what I did. When I initially setup
> Win2K.. It was simply to try it out, and I did not have it on a
> dedicated partition. After install, I moved it. Only shortcuts that
> I myself manually linked has some problems. Everything associated
> with the OS, etc worked like a charm.
Impressive -- Under NT4 the system would shoot itself in the head if
you attempted to do this.
> > I use NT on a regular basis, and anyone else who does has probably
> > experienced the letter-shuffle that goes on with new devices and
> > partitions. I discovered this joy when I formatted an 8MB partition
> > that NT left at the beginning of the primary IDE drive (why does
> > NTSETUP do that when you tell it to use all the space anyway?); it
> > became C: and the rest is history.
>
> Well, one of the reasons why I have seen Dell, others do it.. is if
> you have NTSF with encryption on, you can place ntsfdos there in
> case of dire harddrive problems.
>
> But, if you are talking about drive letters only in NT/Win2K.. the
> first partition need not be the C drive.
Yes, but by default it is (at least under NT4).
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: "John Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: High School is out...here come the trolls...who can't accept the future.
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:53:32 +0100
"Robert L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:e7p45.130665$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit dans
le
<snip>
>
> BTW, this is not a website that some wintroll give that get this result?
if
> i remember well it was and there was a second website link.
> This second one was saying something like "Number of distribution is
higher
> than the number of user"
> I go on a website saying there is ~120 distrib. I know 10 Linux user in
> Montreal. Did that mean we are 1/12 of the Linux user?
>
> As you can see, this second web site is simply lying. The first one
saying
> 0.3%) is propably lying too, it was post together.
>
The second link was a joke.
http://bbspot.com/News/2000/4/linux_distros.html
If its not to your liking then try this one.
http://bbspot.com/News/2000/5/MS_Linux_delay.html
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 22 Jun 2000 08:46:08 -0600
"Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Sam Morris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:Re745.137$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > It's all going to be irrelevant soon anyway - I'm going to get me one of
> > them fast Athlon things and a Geforce 2... POWER... :)
>
> I'm personally waiting for the dual Athlon chipsets to a) appear and b)
> stabilise, then I'll consider them.
I just bought an Athlon 700 ASUS motherboard (not SMP, of course), and
I am very happy with it.
> I'll probably get a Powerbook next year, if OSX actually appears, but I'm
> not spending money on a Mac until I can get a decent OS for it :).
I was thinking the exact same thing...
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux is awesome!
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:51:38 GMT
What are you talking about?
I'm 42yo?
My daughter is 14.
Back then hardware wasn't being replaced by the minute like today and
while I wasn't working when it was built and designed, I saw quite a
bit of it still around even into the early 1990's.
A famous newspaper in NYC still uses a 3525 cardreader/punch to run
it's payroll.
You need to get into the real world Bernie :)
The professors are brainwashing you.
On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:06:17 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Ha ha....
>>
>>If you only knew...
>>
>>Ever hear of an IBM 2821?
>>IBM 3330?
>>IBM 3340?
>>IBM 3033?
>>
>>Look them up and that will give you a slight clue as to how long I
>>have been in this (the computer) business.
>>
>>You most likely weren't even born yet...
>
>And yet, your daughter only just entered high school? Not a very quick
>learner, is she? ;-))
>
>Bernie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux is awesome!
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:52:15 GMT
On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:06:19 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>>Linux sucks Mark and you know it. The only reason you support it is
>>because it fits into the cult like left wing, screw the establishment
>>ala "Pacifica Radio" which you seem to believe in and support.
>
>I don't know about Mark, but the reason *I* am using linux is simply
>that it works, and does the things I want from an OS, mostly the way
>I want them done (and where the differences between my wants and what
>linux does are really irking me, I *can* [and do] roll my own).
That's fair enough. Most Windows users however are not interested in
rolling their own. Henceforth the vast number of shrinkwrap
applications on the market.
>Nothing more, nothing less. Well, a certain amount of inertia keeps me
>from hopping from linux to *BSD to plan9 to QNX. If Hurd ever gets to
>a usable state, or the GNUStep project gets a bit more mature, I will
>certainly give them a trial run on a couple machines.
>
>However, the last time I though "well, maybe Windows wouldn't have this
>problem", and rebooted my university machine into it (the first time
>in, oh, a year or so), it did even worse than linux (it seems that we had
>a network problem, and IE never unstalled, whereas NS/linux did).
>
>Bernie
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: 486 Linux setup, 250 meg HD, which distro ???
From: Charles Philip Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 22 Jun 2000 10:29:25 +0500
>>>>> "der" == der <Michael> writes:
> DeAnn Iwan wrote:
>> The latest RH, SUSE, and other graphical interfaces like lots
>> of RAM
> => avoid graphical install software. You can install SuSE with
> text-mode installer (see manual) which is far more usable
> anyway.
I second that YAST1 *is* far superior!
Charles
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From: Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 10 Linux "features" nobody cares about.
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:52:30 -0500
Tim Palmer wrote:
> >If you want a pseudo-Linux, why not go for the real thing?
> >
>
> Then you half to put up with a pseudo-Windows, that is slower, harder to
> use, incompattable with you're
> hardware, incompattable with your imbedded scripts, and inconsistant.
>
> >
> >> I consider myself a power user and there are very few things I can't
> >> do with NT.
> >
> >Recompiled the kernel to free up the resources from any unneeded features lately?
>
> I have better things to do than recompial kernals.
>
Yeah, like learning how to spell. If you are from a non-english country
than some of this can be forgiven, but I would say this is just a result
of poor attention on your part. Or are you one of those people that are
trying to prove how inferior the English language really is by showing
how you can screw up every possible spelling and still get your point
across? Just curious. I'm not really a spelling nazi, but someone that
seems to have such a lousy grasp of the English language really
shouldn't be posting so many lies a day. If you want to convince people
you are credible, you need to start somewhere, and spelling poorly just
doesn't convince anyone that you are an expert at much. Just my $.02
> >
> >
> >Bobby Bryant
> >Austin, Texas
> >
> >
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 10 Linux "features" nobody cares about.
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:53:59 -0500
Tim Palmer wrote:
>
> On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:19:21 GMT, JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On 19 Jun 2000 06:01:22 -0500, Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>On 18 Jun 2000 07:18:42 GMT, Marada C. Shradrakaii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> >>>>Noboddy cares if Linxu can run on some geaks' obsolete 386 in 2MB of RAM.
> >>>
> >>>True. It doesn't matter what it can run on DIRECTLY, but the indirect effect
> >>>of this is important. Something small enough to run on a 2M system won't take
> >>>up too much overhead on a 160M system in all likelihood, and I'd rather run
> >>>apps in my RAM than operating systems.
> >>>
> >>>>Linux ganes NOTHING over Windows by being multi-user
> >>>
> >>>One computer for a family. Life is simplified by giving each family member his
> >>>own directory to organize files, and his own user configuration. Even Win9x
> >>>offers primitive multiuser support for that reason.
> >>
> >>But moast peopel don't USE it, and it can be turned off.
> >
> > You can also make passwords in Unix blank if you like, if you
> > or your family members are unable to remember a simple password.
>
> Thanks for the tip. I woant need it because I'm running Windows 98SE..
> I woant need the
> Blank-Password-HOWTO for it either.
Here's an intelligent man. He thinks there is a how to on how to leave
a password blank. Yeah baby, clog up them brainwaves.
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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Subject: Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 22 Jun 2000 09:05:41 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
[snip]
> There is no version of Unix which is good at both server
> applications and real time applications, though VMS excels at both,
> because it has a much more complex scheduler.
There are actually at least 2 realtime Linux implementation that do
exactly this.
http://rtlinux.com/
This actually has 2 scheduling algorithms -- the primary one ensures
that realtime tasks run as soon as fast as the CPU's clock resolution
allows them to; the second one is tuned with the stock Linux,
server-based scheduler.
This is, essentially, what any realtime-capable system would have to
do; even it if were all in the same "scheduler", you'd have some CASE
for different task identities.
[snip]
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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