Linux-Advocacy Digest #323, Volume #27 Sun, 25 Jun 00 04:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Do you people really think that GNU/Linux is a great OS?
Re: Do you people really think that GNU/Linux is a great OS?
Re: Claims of Windows supporting old applications are reflecting reality or fantasy?
(Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Do you people really think that GNU/Linux is a great OS? (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE (david parsons)
Re: Linux Upgrades (Mandrake 7.0 to 7.1) ("BR")
Re: Stupid idiots that think KDE is a Window Manager
Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE
Re: Do you people really think that GNU/Linux is a great OS? (Cihl)
Re: Do you people really think that GNU/Linux is a great OS? (Cihl)
Re: Lost Cause Theater!!! (Cihl)
Re: MCSE :-) (was: Lost Cause Theater) (Cihl)
Re: The MEDIA this year! (Cihl)
Re: Microsoft and General Stupidity (Jeff Szarka)
Re: Claims of Windows supporting old applications are reflecting reality or fantasy?
[JOB] Debian installer needed near Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Do you people really think that GNU/Linux is a great OS?
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 06:17:28 GMT
On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:38:15 -0400, Jeff Szarka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 09:01:39 GMT, Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Could you please stop being so nasty? What has the Linux community
>>done to Windows to make you people so nasty?
>
>How many times have you been mail bombed by Windows advocates? Thought
>so. I guess my arguments were too good... I'm not exactly sure what
>other group would send me 300-500 messages saying "Windows sucks" I've
What? Your "ease of use interfaces" can't deal with a little spam?
[deletia]
>Linux is a fine little OS if you have the time for it... I don't.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Do you people really think that GNU/Linux is a great OS?
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 06:18:57 GMT
On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:40:31 -0700, KLH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Jeff Szarka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 09:01:39 GMT, Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >Could you please stop being so nasty? What has the Linux community
>> >done to Windows to make you people so nasty?
>>
>> How many times have you been mail bombed by Windows advocates? Thought
>> so. I guess my arguments were too good... I'm not exactly sure what
>> other group would send me 300-500 messages saying "Windows sucks" I've
>> forgotten some of the other interesting things that have happend. Oh
>> yea.. I seem to recall at least one death threat.
>>
>> Not to mention the people who are so close minded that simply
>> disagreeing with THE LINUX way in their little plastic minds means I
>> work for Microsoft. I actually found COLA while looking for Linux help
>> in other groups because at the time I was quite interested in Linux.
>>
>> I figured I'd share my thoughts on Linux and see what Linux advocates
>> had to say. They flamed me, they claimed I worked for Microsoft,
>> they've mail bombed me, they've called me a liar. Exactly why should I
>> like Linux?
>
>As a GNU/Linux advocate, this scares the hell out of me.
>
>There used to be such a nice community. I wonder what has happened to it.
>Just remember though, there seem to be more trolls here from this side of
>the fence.
It only takes one, even if the place is Lancaster County.
[deletia]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Claims of Windows supporting old applications are reflecting reality or
fantasy?
Date: 25 Jun 2000 01:14:41 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John Wiltshire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Can I ask how you figure that people "grow out" of these printers?
>Most people I know that have winprinters are quite happy printing out
>their taxes and letters to friends on them. The few that aren't are
>the ones that didn't realize they were a winprinter to start with.
>
>The fact is you just keep dancing around the issue that winprinters
>are cheaper and work well for low use/home use situations. The
>strawman of "outgrowing them" is simply that - a strawman.
How about about the fact that they are hopelessly tied to the
CPU and OS that has the driver to run them, and they have
to be discarded to switch to anything else? I've had printers
whose lives spanned several computer types and expect it
to happen again. Are all those people you claim are happy
with their winprinter willing to consider them disposable
when they switch computers or OS versions?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Do you people really think that GNU/Linux is a great OS?
Date: 25 Jun 2000 01:19:04 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jeff Szarka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Linux is a fine little OS if you have the time for it... I don't.
You could have gotten that Mandrake loaded in expert mode in
less time than it took to post all of the complaints.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (david parsons)
Subject: Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE
Date: 24 Jun 2000 22:31:13 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:27:27 GMT, Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> Work on a high throughput database, and get back to us.
>>
>>Yes, done that. Your point? I still didn't need to know anything about
>>how the scheduler works then.
>>
>>At the time, it was more interesting to me to know how to present 50,000
>>records to the user in such a way that he didn't have to wait for ages
>
> You claim that you have worked on a high throughput database yet
> you speak of a mere 50,000 records as something significant.
>
> Does anyone else see the inconsistency here?
No. The only inconsistancy is that you can't read, but you persist
in burbling along like you can.
*presenting* 50,000 records is not the same as only having 50,000
records in the database. Anybody with more intelligence than a
piece of pumice is be able to see that, and you're simply making
Linux look bad by your MS-quality FUD.
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david parsons \bi/ *plonk*
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From: "BR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Upgrades (Mandrake 7.0 to 7.1)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 01:21:00 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin) wrote:
<snip>
> They were there on my non root id, supplied I presumed by the original
> 7.0 installation. They were gone afterwards. I also find in DrakConf,
> half the buttons now do nothing, whereas before they worked.
>
> Pete
Your tales of woe is why I did a complete installation. Saved the contents
of home, and any other file I felt I needed(XF86Config,etc). Reinstalled
with the ReiserFS. Had to do that twice to get the system to take, but it
works great once installed. Brought back what I needed from 'saved' home.
A 'working' sytem with few problems.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Stupid idiots that think KDE is a Window Manager
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 06:23:12 GMT
On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:44:37 -0400, Jeff Szarka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:01:44 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>
>>>Linux is trying to clone Windows to become a consumer grade OS. Now if
>>>only the rest of the OS would try to clone Window's ease of use Linux
>>>could be sitting on my hard drive right now.
>>
>> You mean like PCI/USB/SCSI autodetection? GUI configurators for
>> nearly anything you would want to futz with?
>>
>> Although, this would still make Linux more of an attempt to
>> replicate the Macintosh, as all of that was actually working
>> long before Microsoft ever released a 'kinda working' incomplete
>> clone.
>
>Yes... things that are useful to consumers. I like how the entire
>Linux mindset is "Microsoft is bad... they try to force stuff onto us"
>yet you guys are all "Users? Please... they'll use Linux and like what
I do much of the same things with computers as other "more
legitimate" computer users. Infact, I can speak with Windows
users with no particular interest in defecting on their own
terms in terms of applications.
The lack of crippleware tends to pique interest.
>we give them. Let them write their own code if they don't like it"
>
>What is the difference?
I never advocate that for all sorts of users. I merely object
to your gross mischaracerizations, and the insistence that the
M$ solution is the only acceptable one.
Even now your rant depends on misrepresenting things.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 06:32:32 GMT
On 24 Jun 2000 22:31:13 -0700, david parsons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:27:27 GMT, Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>> Work on a high throughput database, and get back to us.
>>>
>>>Yes, done that. Your point? I still didn't need to know anything about
>>>how the scheduler works then.
>>>
>>>At the time, it was more interesting to me to know how to present 50,000
>>>records to the user in such a way that he didn't have to wait for ages
>>
>> You claim that you have worked on a high throughput database yet
>> you speak of a mere 50,000 records as something significant.
>>
>> Does anyone else see the inconsistency here?
>
> No. The only inconsistancy is that you can't read, but you persist
> in burbling along like you can.
Nope. You're just as ignorant as he is. If you have the data,
clueless end users will want to get at the data on their own
terms. For that reason alone, if you have non-trivial data,
you will find yourself needing to present more than a measley
50K rows to them.
>
> *presenting* 50,000 records is not the same as only having 50,000
> records in the database. Anybody with more intelligence than a
> piece of pumice is be able to see that, and you're simply making
> Linux look bad by your MS-quality FUD.
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From: Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Do you people really think that GNU/Linux is a great OS?
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 07:22:43 GMT
Jeff Szarka wrote:
>
> On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 09:01:39 GMT, Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Could you please stop being so nasty? What has the Linux community
> >done to Windows to make you people so nasty?
>
> How many times have you been mail bombed by Windows advocates? Thought
> so. I guess my arguments were too good... I'm not exactly sure what
> other group would send me 300-500 messages saying "Windows sucks" I've
> forgotten some of the other interesting things that have happend. Oh
> yea.. I seem to recall at least one death threat.
HUH? Have you reported these people to their ISP's? That's really,
really lame! I didn't know people did that? Are these people present
on this Usenet-group?
Actually, i have been mailbombed and threatened once because of a
little nasty link i put up here. Mailbomb didn't have much of an
effect, though. I'm using a small Linux-server which throws all the
mail with my above address away immediately.
> Not to mention the people who are so close minded that simply
> disagreeing with THE LINUX way in their little plastic minds means I
> work for Microsoft. I actually found COLA while looking for Linux help
> in other groups because at the time I was quite interested in Linux.
That doesn't include me. But the Windows-advocates aren't innocent
themselves, you know. Have you seen the posts from
Steve/Heather/whatever.. and Tim Palmer?
> I figured I'd share my thoughts on Linux and see what Linux advocates
> had to say. They flamed me, they claimed I worked for Microsoft,
> they've mail bombed me, they've called me a liar. Exactly why should I
> like Linux?
You could also choose to ignore everything and stop posting here. You
say yourself that Linux isn't a threat to Microsoft. This brings me to
the question: Why Windows advocacy? Microsoft has a
marketing-department of it's own, which it pays a lot of money for.
What's your mission here?
> Maybe FreeBSD-ers are the same way but... everytime I've run into them
> they've been helpful and friendly. I think Linux suffers from far to
> many Microsoft haters whereas BSD has the actual UNIX fans.
I'm an actual Unix-fan. I think the Linux community is simply getting
fed up with all those Microsoft-fans who like to repeat the same lies
over and over again for years.
> Linux is a fine little OS if you have the time for it... I don't.
See? There you go again. I set up the Linux box i'm working on in 30
minutes.
--
¨I live!¨
¨I hunger!¨
¨Run, coward!¨
-- The Sinistar
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From: Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Do you people really think that GNU/Linux is a great OS?
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 07:24:18 GMT
> As a GNU/Linux advocate, this scares the hell out of me.
>
> There used to be such a nice community. I wonder what has happened to it.
> Just remember though, there seem to be more trolls here from this side of
> the fence.
>
> To any rabid GNU/Linux zealots out there. Microsoft isn't the enemy. *You*
> are.
I second that!
--
¨I live!¨
¨I hunger!¨
¨Run, coward!¨
-- The Sinistar
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From: Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin.networking,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Lost Cause Theater!!!
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 07:30:51 GMT
xxx wrote:
>
> Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:OlJ45.57180$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
>
> > Give me a break. Do you guys have meetings and get together and
> > say prayers to Linus every night? What is it with you guys and
> > propaganda?
>
> So what? Freaks do this kinda crap daily (and lots of every fucking sunday
> mornings) to illusions like god, jesus, alah and similar shit. It's all the
> same propaganda principle.
>
> At least Linus exists - and created something real.
>
> Myself
I wouldn't crosspost this message too much, if i were you. You just
managed to insult about 2/3 of the world population with 3 lines of
text. (Doesn't include me, but it's worrying nonetheless)
--
¨I live!¨
¨I hunger!¨
¨Run, coward!¨
-- The Sinistar
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From: Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MCSE :-) (was: Lost Cause Theater)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 07:28:42 GMT
Jens Prüfer wrote:
>
> Martijn Bruns wrote:
>
> [...]
> >
> > My productivity is just fine, thank you. Your productivity would
> > probably be brought to nil, because you probably took five years
> > to get your MCSE. MCSE is a course to learn how to move your
> > mouse to exactly the right spot and click, nothing more. You
> > probably need followup-courses to learn how to use the other
> > mouse button, too. I've seen one of the involved books from a
> > family member. It's really a joke, ok?
>
> Finally somebody else who agrees with me here. I had a look at some MCSE
> "training" Books and thought about what kind of illiterate people they
> must be made for. Incredible. Why do they call themselves "engineer"
> after that?? There should be a law against that. At least in Europe
> engineering is something else.
That's not even the worst! How about the fact that those MCSE
certifications are only valid as long as Microsoft rules the computer
industry!
I for one wouldn't want that kind of security. I suggest to all the
MCSE's out there that they get a *real* certification as soon as
possible. With this i mean a real, complete education, like a college
degree in Information Technology and such.
I really can't help thinking about what would happen to these people
if Microsoft ever hits the bucket.
--
¨I live!¨
¨I hunger!¨
¨Run, coward!¨
-- The Sinistar
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From: Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The MEDIA this year!
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 07:39:53 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I agree, Linux is getting better coverage this year. I also have noticed
> that the press is *FINALY* taking a critical look a MS and it's
> products.
I agree with that. I just read a local computer magazine
(Computer!Totaal, if you must know) which gave a devastating recension
of Windows ME.
It basically stated that Windows ME should really be named Windows 98
3rd edition and that almost all of the "enhancements" were unnecessary
bloat or could easily be downloaded and added to your old Windows
installation, like the newer IE, OE and MP. I don't think anybody
would want to upgrade to Windows ME after reading -that- report.
They also talked about a new feature in the form of a wizard with a
magic wand which would help you through some of the procedures of
installation and such. They called it helpful to newbies, but really
annoying once you become more experienced. I read that it even
describes, with spoken voice, the function of the 'Next'-button in
great detail.
--
¨I live!¨
¨I hunger!¨
¨Run, coward!¨
-- The Sinistar
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From: Jeff Szarka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft and General Stupidity
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 03:48:32 -0400
On Sun, 25 Jun 2000 04:47:36 GMT, glen vajcner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>The
>linux community has been great to me, so I hope that it can help me out
>in proving this anti-Microsoft point.
This is exactly why I can't take Linux users seriously.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Claims of Windows supporting old applications are reflecting reality or
fantasy?
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 00:49:01 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Spot on!
Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8j480h$2qbn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> John Wiltshire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Can I ask how you figure that people "grow out" of these printers?
> >Most people I know that have winprinters are quite happy printing out
> >their taxes and letters to friends on them. The few that aren't are
> >the ones that didn't realize they were a winprinter to start with.
> >
> >The fact is you just keep dancing around the issue that winprinters
> >are cheaper and work well for low use/home use situations. The
> >strawman of "outgrowing them" is simply that - a strawman.
>
> How about about the fact that they are hopelessly tied to the
> CPU and OS that has the driver to run them, and they have
> to be discarded to switch to anything else? I've had printers
> whose lives spanned several computer types and expect it
> to happen again. Are all those people you claim are happy
> with their winprinter willing to consider them disposable
> when they switch computers or OS versions?
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: [JOB] Debian installer needed near Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.
Date: 25 Jun 2000 03:59:08 -0400
We have need of a person who can install Debian on an IBM Aptiva peecee.
This is a one shot install. The peecee is in a place called something like
"Hollywood", which is near Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.
Thanks!
Old News Reader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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