Linux-Advocacy Digest #377, Volume #27 Wed, 28 Jun 00 04:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why X is better than Terminal Server ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux, easy to use? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux Upgrades (Mandrake 7.0 to 7.1) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Do you people really think that GNU/Linux is a great OS? (Sascha Bohnenkamp)
Re: I didn't know IIS ran on FreeBSD? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Michael Powe)
Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Michael Powe)
Re: Linux faster than Windows? (Mike Connell)
Re: Linux is junk (Jacques Guy)
Re: Linux is junk (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was: (Aaron
Kulkis)
Re: Makefiles vs. VC++ 6 Projects, Error Levels (Pete Goodwin)
NYC LOCAL: LXNY at PC EXPO in The Javits 26-29 June 2000 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why X is better than Terminal Server
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 05:55:39 GMT
In article <8jaovb$bsu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) wrote:
> In article <8jan8r$jh9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >In article <8j9ghl$lv3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> Redhat Linux and Debian GNU/Linux do. They default to 256
processes,
> >> which is a little high but reasonable enough to allow root to
> >sluggishly
> >> log in and do a killall. You can set them lower if you need to.
> >>
> >> It sounds like Mandrake is screwed up. What is the output of
'ulimit
> >-a'
> >> on your Mandrake system?
> >
> >I'm beginning to think I should switch from Mandrake - despite
hearing
> >good things about it. I have Red Hat 6.2, maybe I'll give that a
spin.
>
> I don't think you'll see any difference in the default limits
> between the two.
>From Redhat 6.2:
[perrypip@x38 perrypip]$ ulimit -a
core file size (blocks) 1000000
data seg size (kbytes) unlimited
file size (blocks) unlimited
max memory size (kbytes) unlimited
stack size (kbytes) 8192
cpu time (seconds) unlimited
max user processes 256
pipe size (512 bytes) 8
open files 1024
virtual memory (kbytes) 2105343
>From Mandrake 7.1:
[perrypip@drake perrypip]$ ulimit -a
core file size (blocks) 0
data seg size (kbytes) unlimited
file size (blocks) unlimited
max locked memory (kbytes) unlimited
max memory size (kbytes) unlimited
open files 1024
pipe size (512 bytes) 8
stack size (kbytes) 8192
cpu time (seconds) unlimited
max user processes 2048
virtual memory (kbytes) unlimited
2048 processes is alot when you consider the default system wide limit
for the kernel is 512.
> If you are going to impose limits you really
> have to tune them to the machine and user mix or you will break
> things unnecessarily.
If you are going to admin a system w/ multiple users you need to know
the machine and user mix.
> I am inclined to agree with you that the Mandrake 7.1 installer
> isn't up to their usual standards.
When Mandrake started they were basically Redhat w/ KDE added, which was
nice for people who wanted that as an alternative to Redhat. But now
that they've branched out more on their own their inexperience is
beginning to show.
Perry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux, easy to use?
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 06:01:15 GMT
Windows has just as many inconsistencies, holes and mish-mashes. You
just don't notice them as much because your used to them.
Perry
In article <8j9l2q$pvj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <8j9fq5$lg8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > I'm looking at it as
> > > an alternative to Windows.
> >
> > That's nice but don't expect Linux to be like Windows. It isn't.
>
> Oh I can see that. I can see the inconsistancies, the holes and
> mish-mash of ideas. This is the system that is trumpeted here as the
> downfall of Windows. Yet I can't even do something as simple as an
> Upgrade with one distro.
>
> Linux (+KDE or +Gnome) is nothing like Windows. Windows I can expect
> things to work together. Linux doesn't even do that! I tried drag and
> drop between KDE's Window Manager and KDE's Explorer - blimey! -
doesn't
> work! And that's just one of the holes I've found so far.
>
> --
> ---
> Pete
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux Upgrades (Mandrake 7.0 to 7.1)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 06:10:19 GMT
In article <8j9k5t$o8f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <8j9hoo$mnk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > ... as easy as
> >
> > apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
> >
> > on a Debian system, and it will automagically download and install
all
> > the packages needed for the upgrade. No need to even reboot, unless
> you
> > are upgrading your kernel.
>
> Downloading a 600Mbyte upgrade is not an option.
You can configure apt-get to use a cdrom as well.
At 56k baud it would
> take forever and since it costs a minimum of 1p a minute, probably
> pricey too.
Ouch!! You pay per minute charges in the UK? Here in Houston TX a 56k
dialup account is $10 per month unlimited usage. $50 per month will get
you DSL w/ up to 1.5 Mbit download speeds. $20-30 per month on top of
that will get you some static IP's and the freedom to run servers.
Perry
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From: Sascha Bohnenkamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Do you people really think that GNU/Linux is a great OS?
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:40:36 +0200
> What I *am* saying is that programming languages have made some large
> strides since C was first invented.
which?
> We now have languages with garbage
> collection
leads to inefficient/bloated programms
> clean object-orientation
*well* what do you call clean? smalltalk?
>referential transparency, higher order
> functions, and lazy evaluation among others.
only doable with interpreter like languages what leads to slow programms
> I am not advocating any of
> these features any more than to say that they perhaps would make development
> both more productive and less error-prone.
how do you gurantee that these languages are implemented without errors?
> Ask mine. Ask the businesses why they don't switch over.
the businesses ARE using any konds of unices nearly anywhere
without unix you were even not able to read this newsgroup ...
> I think we should reverse your argument. I think the kernal should do what
> kernals usually do, without a built in GUI as some has suggested. I think
> there should be a minimal command line with direct access to the guts of the
> system, for development, debugging, etc. But on top of the kernal should be
> the graphical user interface.
*grin* this has realy NOTHING to do with the OS than, even you say that
its
only a layer (application) ontop the OS ...
> All OSes do it. Perhaps not the GUI. But even Linux contains device drivers
> which IMHO, should be independent.
a device driver is part of the os ... cannot be independent of the os
...
> It seems I am arguing again when what I set out to do was ask some
> questions. But if Unix is the best there is, I am very disappointed.
well it is the best there is ... maybe it could be improved (imho)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I didn't know IIS ran on FreeBSD?
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 06:25:17 GMT
In article <8jbmhh$cni$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin) writes:
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mig Mig) wrote in <8jb08g$amt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>Pete Goodwin wrote:
> >>> From Netcraft today:
> >>>
> >>> www.microsoft.com is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on FreeBSD
> >>
> >>It is not.. its running on W2K according to Netcraft
>
> >Yes I know, that's what Netcraft said when I looked yesterday.
However,
> >when I tried it today it said 'FreeBSD'. Most amusing!
>
> To me, that would suggest that they have a bunch of machines, and
rotate
> requests between them. So it's perfectly possible that Netcraft got
> an IIS machine when it checked for the http server, and a FreeBSD
machine
> when it did the (separate) check for OS.
Or maybe a FreeBSD firewall(s) that is doing port forwarding to a farm
of http servers, distributing the load in the process.
Perry
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: 27 Jun 2000 23:41:52 -0700
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>>>>> "Kenneth" == Kenneth P Turvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Kenneth> On 26 Jun 2000 20:44:52 -0700, Michael Powe
Kenneth> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Stefaan" == Stefaan A Eeckels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>> writes:
Stefaan> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Stefaan> The French revolution gave us Napoleon, the Russian
Stefaan> revolution gave us Stalin, etc. Revolutions serve the
Stefaan> purpose of power-hungry individuals, not of the general
Stefaan> populace. The American revolution was an exception
Stefaan> because it was a small bunch of wealthy land-owners who
Stefaan> dumped an inept king. We forget that when they wrote "we
Stefaan> believe all men to be created equal", they really meant
Stefaan> "all white Anglo-Saxon Protestant males".
>> Actually, they really meant "all white males above a certain
>> age who own a certain amount of property." As one of the
>> "Founding Fathers" put it at the opening of the Constitutional
>> Convention in 1787, "we suffer from an excess of democracy."
Kenneth> For the most part you are correct, but I think that the
Kenneth> meaning of that passage was much debated probably
Kenneth> differed depending on which delegate you asked.
If you're referring to Randolph's comments about the "excess of
democracy," I don't think there was much disagreement. Most of the
people who disagreed (like Patrick Henry) stayed away from the
Convention.
mp
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Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning"
-- George W. Bush, Jr.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.economics
Subject: Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 03:11:59 -0400
Henry Blaskowski wrote:
>
> In talk.politics.libertarian Darren Winsper
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Do you even understand how business works? Microsoft said, if you
> >> want our product at a discount, you have to agree to sell a copy
> >> with every machine you sell. You are free to buy it at full price,
> >> or you can get it at a discount with conditions. My grocery store
> >> does a similar thing to me all the time, but you don't hear anyone
> >> running around crying "monopoly".
>
> > Does your grocery store have 90% of the grocery market?
>
> Yes, they have 90% of the "large grocery stores within 4 miles of
> my house" market. Any other questions, or would you like to
> address the point?
And you STILL don't understand how any one vendor, when in control
of that size of a market percentage....ABUSES THE CONSUMERS?????
Just exactly HOW STUPID ARE YOU?????
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 03:13:38 -0400
Shock Boy wrote:
>
> "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Marion
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Full Name wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> We recently had a Mandrake box rendered unusable when the machine that
> > > >> was used as a backup failed to answer the mount request.
> > > >
> > > >Why don't you configure it properly...
> > >
> > > Ah... the usual UNIXhead answer whenever someone complains about falling
> > > into yet another UNIX misconfiguration trap: "It's not the fault of
> > > UNIX, it's the fault of the user for not configuring UNIX properly."
> > >
> > > And they wonder why the Linux companies have fallen on hard times...
> >
> > Just exactly what hard times would those be? Linux continues to increase
> > marketshare, mostly with servers, but also some desktops.
> >
> > as for configuration...you should see the nightmares that arise when
> > Windoze isnt correctly configured.
>
> Every linux install I have withnessed had the difficulty in configuration..
Mebbe it's because you're stupid?
> but i've yet to see any nightmares over windows.
>
> Insert CD, click install.. sip some coffee.. then install one's applications.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: 27 Jun 2000 23:50:52 -0700
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>>>>> "Kenneth" == Kenneth P Turvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Kenneth> On 26 Jun 2000 17:19:04 +0100, Phillip Lord
Kenneth> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kenneth> Even majority decisions may be unjust. Mob rule is not
Kenneth> identical to just government.
>> This might be true, but I do not think that this is reason for
>> not having majority decisions. Also I think that there is a
>> difference between "mob rule" and government. It is possible
>> that we could form a government involving the majority of the
>> population and that it would not be a mob. Actually this is
>> nice because it gives me a chance to make an on topic
>> point. The free software movement shows that a cooperative
>> society can exist without degrading into mob rule.
Kenneth> I think is a very good reason for not allowing majority
Kenneth> decisions in the most important aspects of our life. The
Kenneth> whole point of the Bill of Rights (the first ten
Kenneth> amendments to the US Constitution) is to take away the
Kenneth> power of the majority to infringe some select rights of
Kenneth> the minority.
This is not correct. The purpose of the BoR was to prevent the
government from infringing on the rights of "the people." There are
no protections for minorities of any type in the Constitution itself
nor in the BoR. Also, remember that in the late 18th C, only about
15% of the population could vote. It was primarily their rights that
were being protected.
Most of the history of the United States, up until mid-20th Century,
is the history of political, social and economic mistreatment of
minorities by the majority.
"In the final analysis, minorities have only those rights which the
majority chooses to give them." -- William Rehnquist
mp
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Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning"
-- George W. Bush, Jr.
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From: Mike Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux faster than Windows?
Date: 28 Jun 2000 09:34:16 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) writes:
> >> Pedant point: Quicksort has N^2 performance on already-sorted lists,
> >> and might overflow the stack to boot.
> >>
> >
> >You wont get the stack overflow if your quicksort implementation
> >isn't recursive (although I assume libc qsort is).
>
> I'd have to look through the source code; thankfully, on Linux at
> least, I have that option. Lessee....
>
> According to the source code comments, the algorithm is
> a non-recursive modified quicksort/insertion sort pair.
That's pretty cool.
> This should -- I don't know for sure without actually
> trying it, or digging through the source code in grotesque
> detail -- remove most of my objections.
>
> >
> >> (This is assuming qsort() actually uses quicksort, as opposed to
> >> some other sorting algorithm, like hashsort or AVL treesort.)
> >>
> >> Of course, a bubble sort *always* has N^2 performance.
> >>
> >
> >Think about bubble sort on an already sorted list (best case).
>
> It's still N^2 performance. The compares are always done.
>
I think generally the termination criteria is an iteration without
exchanges, so bubble sort on an already sorted list will require
exactly N-1 compares, i.e. a single list iteration. This is as I
learnt it at college, and as given in (for example) Sedgewick, or my
ancient copy of Tenenbaum (DS using Pascal).
I suppose bubble sort could carry on regardless (ie ignoring the fact
that it is done), and then it wouldn't be bounded by N, but would be
by N^2. I guess this is what you meant.
best wishes,
Mike.
--
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.flat222.org/mac/
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:42:14 -0700
From: Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux is junk
R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) wrote:
> I'll concede that Windows is easier to LEARN! That is, if there are
> still 5,000 rednecks in some cactus town west of waco and south of
> Santa Fe who have never used a PC before, they could probably walk
> up to Windows 2000, loaded with $2000 worth of software, and actually
> get to the point where they could create a ransom note to mom on word,
> a pretty picture on powerpoint, and might even be able to use excel
> to graph the growth of 5 cows. That's believable. Heck, they might
> even get all that done before they crashed the system. With Windows
> 2000.
Wrong analogy. The right analogy is this: you give each of those
any-coloured necks one PC randomly chosen from the shelves of
a randomly selected computer shop, and a Win2000 shrinkwrapped
box with its umpteen CDs, and you tell each: now you open the
box, and get Win2000 working. Then you call me.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is junk
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:25:56 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Linux is a stinkin', steamin' pile of shit as far as I am concerned.
I would never call Linux that. "Lagging behind Windows" is my best
description.
> I wasted $40 on Corel Office and wish I could get my hard earned money
> back!
Take it back to the shop, you're entitled to a refund.
> I also wasted another $60 on Partition Magic, like Corel suggested.
As above.
> First off the piece of shit destroyed my hard drive and erased 2 years
> worth
> of data I had saved. Lucky for me I have a backup on CD but it is
> a couple of days old.
Funnily enough, I wiped a gig drive when I tried to install Slakware for
the first time. I'm used to Digital UNIX with its a - g partitions, not
hda, hdb etc. Muggins here got muddled up with hda1, hda2, hda5 and
hda6. I blasted hda5 and hda6 thinking they were the second drive only
to descover what they really were. Oops! I lost data, but I put it down
to my misunderstanding about how disk drives are handled on a PC.
> The install kept failing over and over again dying on my SCSI
controller
> but finally, and mysteriously it worked despite my not changing
> anything.
Hmmm... it took me a while to get my AHA1520 to work with Linux.
> My sound card didn't work.
Neither did mine until I fiddled around with isapnp a bit.
> My video card ran slow as a snail.
Mine seems ok. Figuring out how to setup a monitor with no datasheet
took a while. I kept getting no sync until I accidently tried a specific
setting that worked.
> My network card didn't work.
Both mine did, on both the old PC166 and the new PII-400MHz.
> My printer didn't work
Until I selected the correct driver, then it worked.
> My scanner didn't work.
Mine still doesn't.
> My modem worked but kept disconnecting.Something about a PPP demon
> dying?
I can expect the first attempt to fail, then it just works.
> All of these devices worked out right away with Windows 98 SE and
> also with Win2k.
Funny, same here.
> Linux has been around longer than Win2k, so why the shitty hardware
> support?
Linux is still playing catchup.
> Shitpile Linux didn't even recognize my USB ports.
Oh, it found my USB ZIP 250 drive, but it doesn't actually work.
> Is this Linux stuff some kind of a joke or something? I'd like to be
let
> in on the joke please because I have lost data and wasted the better
> part
> of the weekend trying to make this smelly piece of trash work.
I think you're exaggerating just a bit here.
> I played around with the various applications included with Corel and
> quite frankly, it looks like Linux is some 1980's throw back. Reminds
> me of Pong and Visicalc.
Ah yes the delights of Linux.
> I can see no way in hell that this piece of sewerage can be given to
> people who are happily running Windows.
Not in its current form, it needs to move along a bit further.
[snip]
> The only plus i got from my short lived experience with Linux is that
> I will surely let all my enemies know about it so they can have their
> systems destroyed like I have.
That's not a good strategy if your enemies get it working!
[snip]
> Sorry, I drained one toner cartridge printing out how to papers.
Oooooh, exaggerating. You might print a few sheets but would you really
be daft enough to print two reams worth?
> Not to mention when the dam printer went beserk trying to print using
> Lie-nux and it spit out page after page with one ascee charactor on
> each and no means other than shutting it off to stop it.
Mine did that too. I switched it off. Classic case of wrong printer
driver.
> Never even looked at a readme for windows.
Because on Windows its all handed on a plate for you. On Linux you have
to do just a little bit more work.
Well guys, I have no idea if this is a troll post or not, personally I
think it just could be someone who is "letting off steam". The fact that
most of you have dismissed this post or insulted the guy is fascinating.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.economics,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 03:42:30 -0400
Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Which is why Capitalism rules.
>
> And why Mr. Kulkis's military service had been in Mercenaries, Inc.
I thought you were a BIG FAN of government.
Now, you claim that the LARGEST component of government (i.e the
military)
is something not to be trusted.
Make up your mind, socialist.
> --
> Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
> My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Makefiles vs. VC++ 6 Projects, Error Levels
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:41:05 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
> In a sufficiently large project (read: anything bigger than about a
> half dozen files :-) ), this behavior becomes annoying quickly.
Change warning level often do you?
> One easy way to reproduce this. Take "New Project", select
> "MFC AppWizard(exe)", pick any settings you like, hit OK,
> build it (whoopee, an untitled document! :-)), then change the
> C++/General/Warning level from Level 3 to Level 4, hit [OK],
> hit Build again.
>
> "The project setings have changed since the last build. Would you
like
> to rebuild the affected files?"
>
> What?? All I did was change a compiler warning level!
> But OK, I'll play along.
Yes, it's doing what does not seem unreasonable to me. If you change
warning level you are either removing or adding messages - some of those
messages may actually be important to you - despite being warning. Or do
you routinely ignore all warnings?
[snip]
In any case, VC++ has always been a bit weird around rebuilds. It
routinely asks me if I want to do a rebuild despite there be no changes
made to the files it lists. It has something to do with the clock and
timestamping of files. Also, it seems to access my floppy though I can't
think why!
Automated makefiles have been a real boon - one of those things you
just forget and get on with the important stuff.
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Pete
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: NYC LOCAL: LXNY at PC EXPO in The Javits 26-29 June 2000
Date: 28 Jun 2000 03:58:00 -0400
LXNY has a booth in the Pavilion of Free Software. Maddog Hall and
Mark Bolzern will be keynote speakers Thursday morning 29 June 2000.
If you are lucky you may be able to register for free for all exhibits,
including the keynotes, and get a discount on conferences by going to
http://www.pcexpo.com/planner/registration.cfm
and using the magic word P2AQ for exhibits and the magic word C2AD for
conferences. Otherwise just use the magic words at the show.
Visit the LXNY booth! Michael Dell and Illiad and Bill Rozas and
Linus Torvalds already have! Volunteer to sit at the booth and
assault^Weducate passersby! Kevin, Greg, David, Michael, and Lillian
already have!
Jay Sulzberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Corresponding Secretary LXNY
LXNY is New York's Free Computing Organization.
http://www.lxny.org
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