Linux-Advocacy Digest #399, Volume #27 Fri, 30 Jun 00 06:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: What UNIX is good for. (abraxas)
Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. (Doc Shipley)
Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. (Charlie Ebert)
Oracle (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ("Shock Boy")
Linux Videos (Alex Reckie)
Re: Linux, easy to use? (Chris Shepherd)
Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows (Steve Mading)
Re: Linux, easy to use? (Chris Shepherd)
Re: OS's ... (Chris Shepherd)
Re: Mac OS X gonna have a CLI! (mmnnoo)
Re: Linux, easy to use? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Lost Cause Theater!!! (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: M$ Exposed (was Re: Oracle's Dirty Tricks Department) (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Oracle (Aravind Sadagopan)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Sascha Bohnenkamp)
Re: Microsoft error message (Was: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh) (Not For Smoking!)
Re: Linux, easy to use? (Pete Goodwin)
Q: ufs v. e2fs (Andrei Ivanov)
Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. (robert3@#)
Re: Wintrolls in panic! (Geoff Lane)
Re: Mac OS X gonna have a CLI! (Woofbert)
Re: Linux faster than Windows? (Stefan Ohlsson)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: What UNIX is good for.
Date: 30 Jun 2000 03:14:07 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You can try Photoshop if you doanm't. You'll never look bak.
>
I actually went to gimp FROM photoshop, and ive never looked back.
=====yttrx
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From: Doc Shipley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Uptime 6 months and counting.
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 03:32:21 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> My server and other "mission critical" hosts have been up and running now
> for more than six months!
>
> Or to be accurate they have been up for 180 day, 7 hours and 32 minutes.
> None have not needed any maintenance and only minimal monitoring mostly by
> viewing the system logs by having them trimmed and mailed to me.
>
WoooHooo!!!
We Rule.
--
Doc Shipley
Network Stuff
Austin, Earth
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Uptime 6 months and counting.
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 03:37:22 GMT
Doc Shipley wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > My server and other "mission critical" hosts have been up and running now
> > for more than six months!
> >
> > Or to be accurate they have been up for 180 day, 7 hours and 32 minutes.
> > None have not needed any maintenance and only minimal monitoring mostly by
> > viewing the system logs by having them trimmed and mailed to me.
> >
>
> WoooHooo!!!
>
> We Rule.
>
> --
> Doc Shipley
> Network Stuff
> Austin, Earth
Longest one I've ever seen up so far was 3.2 years and still going.
Charlie
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Oracle
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 03:40:10 GMT
What did they say this would do to Microsoft...
It would back the breakup up by 3-4 years because all this has to be
investigated now.
I vote the Judge appoint an administrator for Microsoft until
the case if finished.
Microsoft is going out of control.
Charlie
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From: "Shock Boy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 03:46:53 GMT
"Sascha Bohnenkamp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > That's been my experience on all our PC's at work and my one PC at home.
>
> are you talking about windows-nt or 0.98 ?
I believe the thread was referencing Win2K. I have not myself ever installed NT or 98
from fresh. I've only upgraded a Win95OSR2.1
to
Win98 and then WIn98SE. I added a dual/triple boot of NT4.0 and Win2K to my Win98
computer.. and upgraded several NT4.0 to Win2K.
The only "fresh" installs I have done were Win2K, and they went without a hitch. My
description of simply inserting the Cd, sipping
some coffee was pretty much what I did.
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From: Alex Reckie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux Videos
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:05:26 GMT
Are there any Videos on Linux out there at all? I think I've heard of
one by Yggdrasil, I was wondering what your opinions are.
Thanks,
alex r.
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From: Chris Shepherd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux, easy to use?
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:06:58 -0400
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in <8jc4b5$li2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >Windows has just as many inconsistencies, holes and mish-mashes. You
> >just don't notice them as much because your used to them.
>
> Can you name one?
Do you remember winnuke? Or perhaps you could explain why exactly it is
that windows can't cope with Boot managers. God forbid Windows should go
bad and force you to reinstall on a dual boot system!
> I can name one on Linux - drag and drop between KDE Explorer and KDE File
> Manager.
There's two for you. :)
--
Chris Shepherd
Vice President, GDPS Computers
Known in the SCA as William Silverlake
If God had intended man to smoke, He would have set him on fire.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: mind hours in development Linux vs. Windows
Date: 30 Jun 2000 04:07:12 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Yes, Linux wins as it's a world wide effort.
: They have in-excess of 100,000 people working on Linux world wide.
I'm curious, what does this figure count? Kernel-only developers,
or does it include anyone who's worked on the GPL'ed apps that come
with Linux? (100,000 seems a big high for just the kernel hackers,
but a bit low for all people who've ever been on a GPL project.)
--
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------
Steven L. Mading at BioMagResBank (BMRB). UW-Madison
Programmer/Analyst/(acting SysAdmin) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
B1108C, Biochem Addition / 433 Babcock Dr / Madison, WI 53706-1544
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From: Chris Shepherd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux, easy to use?
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:13:28 -0400
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina) wrote in <8jfo7s$c0r$1
> @nnrp1.deja.com>:
>
> >But even with a xterm: copy/paste behaviour in terminals in unix is
> >much more consistent with other GUI apps than in windows, is it not?
>
> CTRL-C CTRL-V work with any edit field in Windows. The same is not true of
> Gnome, KDE etc.
Actually, it does depend on the programmer of whatever program is being
written.
CTRL-C,X,V all work in Gnome the way they do in Windows. I don't know
about every single program there is out there (for example, IIRC
Netscape uses Alt-C,X,V), but the majority try and keep it that way. :)
At any rate, another one of those things you were asking for earlier:
True multitasking. I mean, In linux, I can play MP3s, browse the web,
use GIMP and run a Quakeworld Games server and not notice a significant
slowdown on my K6/2-450 with 32 Meg of ram. No MP3 skips either, unlike
anything written for Windows.
--
Chris Shepherd
Vice President, GDPS Computers
Known in the SCA as William Silverlake
Nothing is fool-proof to a talented fool.
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From: Chris Shepherd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS's ...
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:35:11 -0400
In article <E3K55.201$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Pedro Iglesias
wrote:
>Obviously, no 1995 Unix would beat neither ME nor W2K as desktop.
OS/2 Warp 3 was out just before Win 95 IIRC.
That OS was stabler than Win2K is now. Too bad IBM isn't pushing Warp 5.
;)
Hell, Warp 3 had a quicklaunch bar in 95 that took MS 'til 98 to
implement successfully.
Eternally biased to the *nix side of things,
Chris Shepherd
Vice President, GDPS Computers
Known in the SCA as William Silverlake
Help, you've fallen and I can't get up!
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From: mmnnoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mac OS X gonna have a CLI!
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:32:46 -0600
Woofbert wrote:
<snip>
>This is, in
> essence, what the Mac is supposed to be about: letting people work in
> their own most comfortable style, instead of imposing some arbitrary
> style on them.
<snip>
Yes, that is what the Mac is 'supposed' to be about, according
to the commercials. Somehow they've given a rebel, freestyle image to
the most stringently controlled, proprietary platform on the block.
Apple dictates everything about the Macintonsh, but then they put it
into a cool looking case and suddenly it's a wild and crazy computing
platform.
The Mac is _all_about_ attaching the same, consistent, one-mouse-button
interface to everything, whether or not it fits, so it will be
just like every other Mac program. Mac users pride themselves
on _not_ customizing or configuring anything, ever, which precludes
tweaking things to match personal preferences.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux, easy to use?
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 05:13:20 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin) wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in <8jc4b5$li2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >Windows has just as many inconsistencies, holes and mish-mashes. You
> >just don't notice them as much because your used to them.
>
> Can you name one?
Copying/pasting text to/from the terminal window (DOS box). Totally
braindead.
> I can name one on Linux - drag and drop between KDE Explorer and KDE
File
> Manager.
>
Firstly that's a KDE thing not a Linux thing. Secondly, KDE Explorer is
in development and is not complete yet. Also, it's a third party file
manager, not an official part of KDE. I'm sure there some third party
file managers available for Windows that also aren't integrated well.
Perry
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin.networking,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Lost Cause Theater!!!
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:25:05 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quantum Leaper wrote:
>
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > Tim Palmer wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:45:22 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> It's like the Polish army riding over the hill on horses while the
> > > >> Germans had tanks..
> > > >>
> > > >> I'll bet the Germans were howling with laughter, just like Winvocates
> > > >> do every time Linux and how it's taking over the market is discussed.
> > > >
> > > >You assume that because they had a bad leader the Germans weren't
> > > >human???
> > > >Would you be howling with laughter if you had to slaughter a hopelessly
> > > >under armed army?
> > > >
> > > >It was a fairly sick chioce for a figure of speech.
> > >
> > > Linux = a hoarse. and a slingshot.
> > > Windows = a tank.
> >
> > Ask the Iraqi Army about their tanks...
> >
> The USA and the others weren't riding horses.
Apache's...
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.economics
Subject: Re: M$ Exposed (was Re: Oracle's Dirty Tricks Department)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:59:07 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Marcus Turner wrote:
>
> "Bob Tennent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:47:57 GMT, Marcus Turner wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Actually, Oracle is only doing what the yellow journalists
> > >> and muckrackers should already be doing in this instance.
> > >> They must all be asleep at their posts...
> > >
> > >Perhaps you should focus on the fact that while Oracle has made
> accusations,
> > >they have provided no proof. Of anything.
> > >
> > >
> > The New York Times and the Wall St. Journal saw enough to make them
> > publish the claims as facts. What kind of "proof" did you want?
> > Let MS sue the New York Times if they think the allegations
> > are slanderous.
>
> Hmmm... You are missing the gist of the article. Microsoft supports a lot
> of things.
Of course...anythng that can be twisted or railroaded into providing
more power to Redmond.
Tell me.. .if it were GM doing the same thing, would you be such
a ditzy cheerleader???
> The are public members of these groups.
Then why do they try to hide their involvement?
>
> That doesn't mean that they have bought these independent trade
> organizations, just as Ellison's contributions to the Democrats doesn't mean
> he bought Al Gore.
>
> Perhaps you should read it again??
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: Aravind Sadagopan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Oracle
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 02:19:58 +0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Charlie Ebert wrote:
> What did they say this would do to Microsoft...
>
> It would back the breakup up by 3-4 years because all this has to be
> investigated now.
>
> I vote the Judge appoint an administrator for Microsoft until
> the case if finished.
>
> Microsoft is going out of control.
>
> Charlie
True.. With the C# and .Net series coming, I see an absolute microsoft
rule
Somebody STOP IT
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From: Sascha Bohnenkamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:56:32 +0200
> I believe the thread was referencing Win2K. I have not myself ever installed NT or
>98 from fresh. I've only upgraded a Win95OSR2.1
> to
> Win98 and then WIn98SE. I added a dual/triple boot of NT4.0 and Win2K to my Win98
>computer.. and upgraded several NT4.0 to Win2K.
> The only "fresh" installs I have done were Win2K, and they went without a hitch. My
>description of simply inserting the Cd, sipping
> some coffee was pretty much what I did.
ok try a fresh install of NT4 on current hardware and THAN tell my that
it is easier than puting
suse (or something like this) on the same pc ...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Not For Smoking!)
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.economics
Subject: Re: Microsoft error message (Was: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:22:55 GMT
On 26 Jun 2000 22:11:47 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lee Hollaar)
wrote:
>In article "Marcus Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>> Also, MS also put FALSE ERROR MESSAGES in Windows to make consumers
>>> *believe* that DR-DOS was not functioning properly, when, in fact,
>>> DR-DOS was fully 100% compatible with MS-DOS.
>>
>>That is incorrect. They put a warning message in the Beta version of
>>Win3.x, saying that this beta product hasn't been tested with this operating
>>system.
>
>It would be best, when correcting somebody, if you knew what your were
>talking about.
Microsoft boosters would be forced to keep their silly mouths closed
if they followed that advice.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux, easy to use?
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:10:58 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
> Some Windows apps use ctrl-ins / shift-ins.
True, where CTRL-C and CTRL-V are usually inappropriate, like terminals.
> Can you name an application that doesn't support the xterm-style
> and paste ? ( FYI, select with the left mouse and paste with the
middle ).
That was too easy: XV and XMovie. I found them in five minutes of
looking, that probably means there are more.
I'm not sure if XEmacs was another. I'll check tonight.
> This will always work in GNOME / KDE since the toolkits bind this way
> by default ( you'd have to go out of your way to write a program that
> doesn't do it this way ! )
Not every application is based on Gnome or KDE, and that's the problem.
For a long time there was no set of desktop controls that you could use
on Linux. There was MOTIF, but it required a licence. So, guess what,
everyone starts inventing their own. So you end up with a bunch of
applications, each with their own File Open dialog, each different and a
real mess on the desktop.
And that is why I keep saying Linux (see later) lags behind Windows. KDE
and Gnome are a step in the right direction.
--
---
Pete
PS. When I say "Linux", I mean "the Linux desktop". Some people here on
this group have taken to calling me "moron" and "complete idiot" for
doing so. What! Do I really have to spell it out every time? Are people
here so picky they can't figure out the context of what I'm talking
about?
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrei Ivanov)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.solaris,comp.os.linux.development.system,alt.sys.sun
Subject: Q: ufs v. e2fs
Date: 30 Jun 2000 07:19:25 GMT
Can someone please point me at some web document(s) with
comparison of UFS file system of SunOS vs. Linux FS?
--
andrei
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From: robert3@#
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Uptime 6 months and counting.
Date: 30 Jun 2000 01:06:30 -0700
>> >
>> > My server and other "mission critical" hosts have been up and running now
>> > for more than six months!
Unix systems are supposed to be up for long times. Not like those window
joke things.
I worked once at a place where we used Solaris. over a period of 18 months,
I never shutdown my workstation. it just stayed up. I abuse it so much,
and it never went down. The concept of a system crash in Unix is a foreign
concept. It can happen of course, but I never seen one myself.
On windows, (when I was forced to use one) I am afraid to start more than
2 or 2 applications at the same time else it will freeze or crash or
get hosed somehow.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Geoff Lane)
Subject: Re: Wintrolls in panic!
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:46:15 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I think I'm going to go away and write a Caps-Lock HOWTO now. But
> seriously,. though, PC keyboards are rubbish. This one's got lots of
> useful keys like:
> undo copy paset cut stop props front open find again help
> I just like that. OK?
> I'll also write a Num-Lock HOWTO for the really technical among us...
Hey I've got more useless keys than you...
Tiny Online, Close, HK1, HK2, HK3, Hk4, |<<, [], |>, >>|, Vol+, Vol-, Mute
and an unlabelled one with a cresent moon which I dare not press
That's what you get once you allow MS to introduce Windows specific key
labels :-(
--
/\ Geoff. Lane. /\ Manchester Computing /\ Manchester /\ M13 9PL /\ England /\
Visa, Visa, Viso ->; I shopped, I shopped, I ran out of cash.
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From: Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mac OS X gonna have a CLI!
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 02:38:03 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, mmnnoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Woofbert wrote:
> <snip>
> >This is, in
> > essence, what the Mac is supposed to be about: letting people work in
> > their own most comfortable style, instead of imposing some arbitrary
> > style on them.
> <snip>
>
> Yes, that is what the Mac is 'supposed' to be about, according
> to the commercials. Somehow they've given a rebel, freestyle image to
> the most stringently controlled, proprietary
What the hell does this mean? From the context, it sounds like it's
supposed to mean that the only hardware and software you can get for the
things are from Apple, but that's so obviously wrong that it can't
possibly mean that.
>platform on the block.
> Apple dictates everything about the Macintonsh,
Well, yeah. They actually do usability research. Does anyone in Linux do
that? Oh, yeah ... those guys over at <thing> who used to be on the
original Macintosh team ...
>but then they put it
> into a cool looking case and suddenly it's a wild and crazy computing
> platform.
It's been that all along. }: )
> The Mac is _all_about_ attaching the same, consistent, one-mouse-button
> interface to everything, whether or not it fits, so it will be
> just like every other Mac program.
Well, yeah. That's one way make something consistent and easy to learn.
>Mac users pride themselves
> on _not_ customizing or configuring anything, ever, which precludes
> tweaking things to match personal preferences.
That's funny ... Most Mac users I know like to download all kinds of
wild and crazy eye candy, toys, and utilities.
I'm beginning to wonder whether we're talking about the same Apple
Macintosh here.
--
Woofbert <woofbert at infernosoft dot com>, Datadroid, Infernosoft
Putting the No in Innovation. www.infernosoft.com/woofbert/index.html
Infernosoft: Putting the No in Innovation. http://www.infernosoft.com
"It doesn't matter what I think." -- "Dr." Laura
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan Ohlsson)
Subject: Re: Linux faster than Windows?
Date: 30 Jun 2000 11:58:51 +0100
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Mike Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>(This is assuming qsort() actually uses quicksort, as opposed to
>>>some other sorting algorithm, like hashsort or AVL treesort.)
>>>
>>>Of course, a bubble sort *always* has N^2 performance.
>>Think about bubble sort on an already sorted list (best case).
>It's still N^2 performance. The compares are always done.
>
Actually, no, it's very easy to make it stop when the list is sorted.
In case of an already sorted list it will only run through it once.
It's also easy to make it only go through the list (n(n+1))/2 times max.
Still counts as O(nē) though.
/Stefan
--
[ Stefan Ohlsson ] · http://www.mds.mdh.se/~dal95son/ · [ StrICQ# 17519554 ]
EMail address invalid. Use: theman <at> mds <dot> mdh <another dot> se
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