Linux-Advocacy Digest #399, Volume #31 Thu, 11 Jan 01 19:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux a non-starter at CES ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: The pros and cons of Linux vs Windows (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux a non-starter at CES (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Microsoft releases Games console (Pete Goodwin)
Re: You and Microsoft... ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Microsoft releases Games console
Re: Ballmer says Linux is Microsoft's No. 1 Threat (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Knock off the FreeBSD vs Linux bullshit. (mlw)
Re: You and Microsoft... ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: KDE Hell ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: KDE Hell ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: KDE Hell ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: KDE Hell ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: KDE Hell ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: you dumb. and lazy. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is easier to install than windows ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: you dumb. and lazy. ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: New Dodge uses Linux and Java (Russ Lyttle)
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux a non-starter at CES
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:08:56 -0000
>Remember...if the DOJ bails out...30 different States' Attornies General
>will file suit against Microshaft.
>
Don't forget the european government who are also going after MS
>Imagine Gates and Ballmer giving 30 more performances of
>indisputable perjury.
>
Plus - how many countries are there in europe?
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The pros and cons of Linux vs Windows
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:20:14 +0000
Mig wrote:
> You didnt mention wich sites konqueror couldnt see.
One example: Try the order page of www.dabs.com, after you've placed an
order. It's blank.
I believe others have reported things like this to the KDE bug tracking
system.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux a non-starter at CES
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:21:38 +0000
Nigel Feltham wrote:
> Don't forget the european government who are also going after MS
Oh well, _that'll_ be sometime in the next aeon.
> Plus - how many countries are there in europe?
8)
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft releases Games console
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:22:36 +0000
Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> Well, I've got the feeling that MS Game-console is already out (since 1995
> i think). Windows IS the ULTIMATE adventure game, the goal is to stay up
> longer than 5 hours (on 9x) or 5 days (on NT). No cheating allowed, using
> MS office gives bonus points.
I've already beaten that - two months on Windows 98 SE. Where do I collect
my prize?
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: You and Microsoft...
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:26:29 -0000
>Clue for the clueless: The only thing that matters is how well YOUR
>PRINTER is supported....and whether you bothered to check out it's
>performance BEFORE buying it.
>
Clue for you: look at www.cups.org and www.linuxprinting.org and if you can
find any printer that doesn't have a suitable driver at either of these
sites then
you have a fairly rare device.
>
>Corollary mediocre support for even 5000 different printers
>doesn't matter compared to first-rate support for 500 different printers.
>
Last count I saw was 2300 printers supported by sites mentioned above.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Microsoft releases Games console
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:31:10 -0000
On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:22:36 +0000, Pete Goodwin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
>> Well, I've got the feeling that MS Game-console is already out (since 1995
>> i think). Windows IS the ULTIMATE adventure game, the goal is to stay up
>> longer than 5 hours (on 9x) or 5 days (on NT). No cheating allowed, using
>> MS office gives bonus points.
>
>I've already beaten that - two months on Windows 98 SE. Where do I collect
>my prize?
NT5 can't even stay up for that long...
[deletia]
--
Having seen my prefered platform being eaten away by vendorlock and
the Lemming mentality in the past, I have a considerable motivation to
use Free Software that has nothing to do with ideology and everything
to do with pragmatism.
Free Software is the only way to level the playing field against a
market leader that has become immune to market pressures.
The other alternatives are giving up and just allowing the mediocrity
to walk all over you or to see your prefered product die slowly.
|||
/ | \
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Ballmer says Linux is Microsoft's No. 1 Threat
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:33:11 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:12:01 -0000
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:41:21 +0000, Pete Goodwin
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Bruce Scott TOK wrote:
>>
>>> Very poorly written piece. From a Corporate IT/MS perspective, it talks
>>> as if Linux has been _technologically_ playing catch up to W* and is
>>> just getting there.
>>
>>Sounds like my comment "Linux lags behind Windows"
>>
>>> Linux was beyond that point several years ago.
>>
>>In certain areas, yes, but in terms of the GUI, it's catching up to Windows.
>
> There really isn't much to do.
>
> Just implement WIMP.
>
> That was done before Linux even existed.
WIMP = Windows, Icons, Menus, Pointing devices.
MACHO = Mega-Alterable Command/History Operations.
:-)
[snip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Astronomy? What astronomy?
EAC code #191 1d:16h:25m actually running Linux.
This is the best part of the message.
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Knock off the FreeBSD vs Linux bullshit.
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:36:45 -0500
"." wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Don't get me wrong, FreeBSD is good, as is solaris and HP-UX, but NT
> > just sucks.
>
> Pardon me, mlw, but while I agree with most of what you say (as militant
> as it is :)) I must disagree with you here.
I had a "Windows just f&^%&king sucks" day, that day. There are times
you want to do something, either as a developer or as a user, under
Windows (and NT/2K) where it makes perfect sence that you should want,
and be able to, do something and after wasting hours you conclude it can
not be done. Then you waste a trouble ticket to find out you were right.
I have been developing software for Windows since version 1.x, all
versions, I have developed for DOS since 1.x as well. It never gets any
better, Microsoft never designs f^%$%cking anything, they just pile crap
on crap and call it a product. No regard to doing something well, just
quickly. It is just crap. Arggg!!! (After another Windows just sucks
days.)
>
> All operating systems suck. They just suck in different ways.
I really do not think this is true. Some are better than others and all
have their faults, but Microsoft takes the cake for making crap.
Pardon me while I hunt down either a valium or a beer. I may be more
relaxed, later ;-)
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: You and Microsoft...
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:31:04 -0000
>
> Who would WANT to use ISDN these days? It's kind of like
> complaining about ISA pnp support in Linux.
>
> Something like Firewire would be much more relevant.
>
Don't you mean ADSL or Cable-modem - Firewire is for
connecting fast devices (faster version of USB) and not
for modems (cablemodems and ADSL usually connect
to 10-base-T or 100-base-T netcards or networks).
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: KDE Hell
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:33:46 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Clue for the clueless...there is absolutely NOTHING that is "intuitive"
> about computers for the new user.
Actually, there is. But because you concider bash intuitive, this concept
is totally lost upon you.
> If Windows was so easy to use...
> Then why is the ratio of Windows help-desk staff : Windows users
> sooooooo much larger than with Unix.
Windows is on more workstations, UNIX is on more servers. If UNIX were on
the same number of workstations as Windows is now, there would be more UNIX
help desk staffers, wouldn't there?
> Hint fucking Hint. The ENTIRE Helpdesk staff for all of GM's Unix
> users (over 15,000 UNIX desktops) is less than 20 people. That includes
> both 1st and 2nd level support.
You must love GM a lot, because they seem to be your only model enterprise
agency. GM needs engineering software, most other industries don't (with the
exclusion of Aerospace). GM also hires engineers to work on those
workstations, with a few staffers who are either management, or assembeley
staff using the occasional workstation. Gee, does this model seem a little
idealistic to you? It does to me.
> Conversely, about 2 miles down the road, the number of Windows helpdesk
> people at Kmart Headquarters (about 1500 desktops) is around 50, and
> the level of service is WORSE (GM Unix helpdesk--have a Unix helpdesk
> agent ON THE PHONE with the user within 60 seconds....Kmart Windows
> helpdesk -- call-back within 3 hours).
Bad idea using white-trash mart as an example in this matter. KKK-mart's
internet (and most of their computer systems) strat is quite new, and was
only instituted at the demand of their very pissed off stockholders.
Although this example shows REAL computing in action, they're computer
systems are quite recent.
> If it's so much more "intuitive", then why so many Windows helpdesk
> people for so few users at such a low standard of service (and,
> by the way, Kmart pays IT people quite well).
Because Windows allows people who truly have better things to do than get a
major in CS to use a computer. UNIX on the desktop (when instituted
properly) would have the same problem if it were a noticeable majority of
workstation machines (like Windows is).
Simply put, it's a math problem. The scale of UNIX systems is generally
smaller, whereas Windows workstations are commonplace.
If the reverse was true, your logic would also follow (as a generalization).
Of course, if your experience would venture outside the realm of GM's
computer needs, and what you hear from your IT friends at KKKmart, you would
know this.
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: KDE Hell
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:34:04 GMT
Doesn't answer my question, but never mind.
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> >
> > Have you actually USED Windows NT 4? Or are you personally still stuck
up
> > over how you were scorned and hurt by Windows NT 3?
>
> Dear Kyle,
>
> Lay off the horse tranquilizers.
>
>
>
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Donn Miller wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Charlie Ebert wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I agree as of the 2.2 linux kernel era.
> > >> >
> > >> > But we have 2.4 now and there's little incentive to use FreeBSD now
> > >> > that 2.4 is released.
> > >>
> > >> Wait till Whistler is released. Then there'd be little incentive to
> > >> use FreeBSD or Linux.
> > >
> > > Same song/different day..
> > >
> > > "Wait till [next windows product]....it will be better than
> > > Unix...promise!"
> > >
> > > however, once next_windows_product is delivered...it always trips 3
> > > steps out of the starting gate...where upon the chorus erupts with
"wait
> > > until next_next_windows_product.
> > >
> > > Considering that we're now talking about what is, in the series,
> > > next_next_next_next_next_next_windows_product, and that M$ has NEVER
> > > delivered on it's promises to get the fucked-up-things straightened
out
> > > until AT LEAST [current M$ product + 2], on what basis do you think
> > > Whistler will deliver what M$ is advertising it will?
> > >
> > > M$ said in 1994 that Neutered Technology would have multi-user
> > > capability...and yet, M$ still hasn't gotten beyond a) one-at-a-time
> > > users with seperate "profiles" (whoop-de-do...
> > > I can do that with a SINGLE USER ACCOUNT on a unix system)
> > > and b) multi-CLIENT (which is nothing close to multi-user).
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: KDE Hell
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:35:21 GMT
Oh yes, because you can have 32 processors, of which only FOUR are actually
working. Doesn't this sound like, oh, let's just say, a WASTE?
When the Linux kernel can associate power with the same SMP support of it's
commercial predecessors, THEN this garbage can be called a "reply".
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Donn Miller lied:
> >
> > Craig Kelley wrote:
> >
> > > How is Windows NT/2000 better than Linux 2.4.0?
> >
> > Easy. It has a microkernel, which allows for much better CPU scaling
> > WRT SMP.
>
> Yet, for some reason Lose Neutered Technology and Lose 2000 can't
> handle anything larger than 8-way SMP, whereas Linux handles
> 32-way SMP without difficulty.
>
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: KDE Hell
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:37:01 GMT
I guess you haven't read what Wired, AND CNET both said about the new 2.4
kernel's SMP support.
"Ketil Z Malde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Kyle Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Although Linux 2.4 & Windows NT & 2000 support SMP, Linux's
> > performance tends to top-off after four processors. Windows does
> > not have this problem.
>
> And your basis for this claim is...?
>
> -kzm
> --
> If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: KDE Hell
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:42:11 GMT
Here is an idea. If the individual has ANY desire to begin programming in
ANYTHING they are...
1.Serious; They are, and should be ready and willing to pay for programming
tools. If they are programming for UNIX, they should have UNIX testing
facilities available. Same with Windows, same with Mac.
2.Knowledgeable. This usually means enrolling at a college to take a
programming course, which satisfies the educational value of a discount on
Windows programming tools.
3.Realistic. Programming something costs money. A programmer should be
willing to admit this. Besides, they COULD just use something like Windows
notepad, or "copy con" at the "dos prompt" to write their code, and use a
GNU compiler (available for Win32 now) to make they're program, but that
neat programming software adds "convince" features to programming, which
SHOULD be charged for.
"Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:10:40 -0500, MH wrote:
> >
> >> Joe Home Developer can't afford to blow thousands on proprietary dev
> >> tools. BTW, the Linux dev tools are very good. They're not as pretty
> >> and slick as what's available on Windows, but they're certainly very
> >> functional.
> >
> >'Joe' can purchase windows dev tools at educational prices by taking one
> >stinking class at a CC.
>
> The CC class itself is probably not that cheap (and not that convenient
> either). People talk of Linux costing excessive amounts of time, and
> yet one must enroll in a CC course to get a decent price on Windows dev
> tools ?
>
> >Not slick? By slick I suppose you mean more productivity?
>
> No, I mean "more bells and whistles". The IDEs are OK for serious
developers,
> but for someone who's trying to learn the basics, they get in the way
> more than they help.
>
> >> >I still think you have to get users to the desktop in order to give
'Joe'
> >a
> >> >reason to invest in a radically different dev platform. (other than AN
SI
> >C)
> >>
> >> ANSI C ? How about C++, Perl, Python, and PHP ? GTK, GNOME, etc.
> >
> >Writing portable code is no trivial matter once you get beyond address
books
> >and basic I\O.
>
> Depends on what language you're working in. Perl and Python ports fairly
> easily, and that includes GUI and network code. C++ is quite difficult
> and usually requires the use of some portability layers to make it
> "less difficult".
>
> >Even ANSI C doesn't always port well from linux to windows. To use one of
> >your favorite shit hurling specials: "...[]...you'd know that if you knew
> >anything about programming"
>
> I haven't tried porting that much C so I wouldn't know. I'd be surprised
> if there were substantial problems with C'89.
>
> --
> Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
> elflord at panix dot com
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:51:38 GMT
24/7 tinkering is a DESKTOP problem for me. I don't think I care about
Linux as a server anymore, as that distro makers are beginning to realize
that hard-customization of Linux for server purposes just works out better
for admins and uptime anyway.
Kudzu is RedHat based Linux's only, and Kudzu is USELESS if you upgrade ANY
software component under Kudzu (i.e., new kernel, or new Xserver, or new
ANYTHING that isn't directly from RedHat).
So If I'm not running a RH distro, I'm SOL, there is NO kudzu, and probably
no useful central admin system either.
"Lewis Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:93jgn3$d5d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Kyle Jacobs was heard ranting about
> <EfR66.26887$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in alt.linux.sux on 09 Jan
> 2001
>
> >"Ray Chason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> >message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> >> The weakness of Linux is that you have to fool with it.
> >> The strength of Linux is that you *can* fool with it.
> >
> >Really? *Can* implies there is an alternative. You admit this in the
> >prvious sentance, but can implies alternative, of which THERE IS NONE.
>
> No, the idea being that you can't fool with Windoze much.
>
> >don't like minutia. I have enough garbage in my life not to need a
> >technical reference book every time I want to dial into an ISP, or
> >reconfigure my modem (or ADD a modem for that matter.)
>
> Neither do I. That's why I learn it once. Besides, hey if you don't want
to
> do the work, You don't have to dial into an ISP at all. I'm quite certain
> the internet will go on without you. And what do you need it for? Oh
yeah
> BTW ever run into Kudzu? When I switched video cards, on my linux box and
> brought it up, before it hit runlevel 4 it told me I had removed a card,
> and added a new one, and if I wanted to remove all the old configs, and it
> installed my new one. :) Holy shit Linux CAN plug and play also. BUT I can
> turn it off also.
>
> >> Oh, and I don't much appreciate your use of "normal" as if those of
> >> us who actually know how our computers work are "abnormal."
> >
> >I like to come home, and enjoy the simple bliss of "it just works,
NEATO!"
> >on my home PC. I don't want to tinker the hell out of it to get some
> >idillic, whatever working, I really just do want to use it.
>
> :) Yes well ignorance is bliss.
>
> >Linux requires tinkering, 24/7. I hate that.
>
> Again.. really? My DNS server is linux, and it's been running without a
> reboot or tweak for 3 weeks, the one before that, oh I think it was about
a
> year. And hey the only reason my other linux boxes get tweaked everyday,
is
> the same reason my Windows box gets tweaked every day.
>
>
> --
> l8r
> -LJM
>
> a.k.a. Jaster Mereel
> a.k.a. MrBobaFett
>
>
> "Little things used to mean so much to Shelly. I used to think
> they were kind of trivial. Believe me, nothing's trivial. "
> -- Eric Draven, The Crow
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: you dumb. and lazy.
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:13:06 +0100
In article <Cma76.37699$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Kyle Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> APT is great, except for one, small problem.
>
> Stormix uses a different revision system to it's libraries. So
> downloading a program that depends on non-stormix revised library files
> will fail on install.
>
> So there goes the advantage of APT under Storm Linux.
You did notice that stormix has entries in sources.list (commented out
initially but you would have to see them to add other debian mirrors)
for their ftp site where they have most if not all deb packages (over
4 thousand). I've not had a single problem updating anything even
when it was not on their site. As usual more FUD from a Microsoft troll.
Stormix themselves state that their distribution is completely
compatible with debian potato. Please don't spread lies.
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is easier to install than windows
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:57:48 GMT
I don't call the autoconfiguration system of Xfree86 4.0 to be substantial.
It could be better, and yet, it isn't. WHY?
Because they don't care? Possible...
I mean it can sniff out the top 10% of peoples interface hardware, (with
exclusion of USB peripherals, even with backported kernels).
But the point is it still could be better. Find more devices and WORK with
them!
"Lewis Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:93jgs5$d5d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Richard Wright was heard ranting about <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in
> alt.linux.sux on 07 Jan 2001
>
> >When I install Linux its as easy to do as Windows. The only hard parts
> >being the X configuration (there ought to be a new tool for this by now)
> >and the partitioning - which has to be done for Windows as well.
> >Everything else then falls into place for a great desktop operating
> >system.
>
> X configurators I've seen, can usually probe. But hey I also like being
> able to just enter the setting for my monitor and that be it, and it
works.
> Unless I can find a friggin driver for my SGI monitor windows keeps
telling
> me it can't handle the frequencys it says right in the specs that it can.
> Linux I just tell it what it can handle and it takes it. :) AH control. I
> like it.
>
> --
> l8r
> -LJM
>
> a.k.a. Jaster Mereel
> a.k.a. MrBobaFett
>
>
> "Little things used to mean so much to Shelly. I used to think
> they were kind of trivial. Believe me, nothing's trivial. "
> -- Eric Draven, The Crow
>
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: you dumb. and lazy.
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:02:49 GMT
The point is that out OF THE BOX this distro suffers from Linux's DLL hell.
Which you seem to miss as the BIG PICTURE (because your so obsessed with
minutia it's pathetic.)
I shouldn't HAVE TO edit the sources lists manually, the distro should come
pre-set with the needed options, and I shouldn't have to dick around in the
sources list editing the sources, PERIOD.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:2mel39.v49.ln@gd2zzx...
> In article <Cma76.37699$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Kyle Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > APT is great, except for one, small problem.
> >
> > Stormix uses a different revision system to it's libraries. So
> > downloading a program that depends on non-stormix revised library files
> > will fail on install.
> >
> > So there goes the advantage of APT under Storm Linux.
>
> You did notice that stormix has entries in sources.list (commented out
> initially but you would have to see them to add other debian mirrors)
> for their ftp site where they have most if not all deb packages (over
> 4 thousand). I've not had a single problem updating anything even
> when it was not on their site. As usual more FUD from a Microsoft troll.
> Stormix themselves state that their distribution is completely
> compatible with debian potato. Please don't spread lies.
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From: Russ Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Dodge uses Linux and Java
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:07:40 GMT
jtnews wrote:
>
> how fast can they make linux boot?
>
Most likely linux will only boot when you change the battery, if then.
Currently if your car goes into limp mode, you can get it out by
disconnecting the battery to reboot the computer. I think on the newer
cars the computer will have a battery (!) backup to keep the computer up
all the time. The one or two real time Linux kernels I have booted made
it up in 5-10 seconds.
My home P133 computers boot in about 30 seconds. My work 500mhz with NT
takes about 2 minutes.
> Russ Lyttle wrote:
> >
> > Got this from /. : New Dodge Super 6 Hemi uses Linux and Java
><http://www.4adodge.com/autoshow/news/hemi.html>
> >
> > I like the specs, less HP than my Coronet and Charger, but less weight too :
> > Dodge Super8 Hemi® Preliminary Specifications
> > Powertrain
> > Engine: Prototype 353 cu. in. (5.7-liter)
> > Hemi® V-8
> > Estimated Power: 353 bhp (263 kW)
> > Estimated Torque: 395 lb.-ft. (536 Nm)
> > Transmission: 4-speed AutoStick® manumatic
> > transmission
> > Drive: Rear-wheel drive
> >
> > Body & Suspension
> > Structure: Unitized body with B-pillarless
> > body side aperture
> > Suspension
> > -- Front: Independent with modified
> > MacPherson struts
> > -- Rear: Custom independent five-link with
> > coil-over-shock setup
> >
> > Wheels & Tires Wheels: 22" x 10"
> > Tires
> > -- Front: P255-740R560
> > -- Rear: P255-770R560
> >
> > Dimensions & Weight Length: 186 in. (4724 mm)
> > Width: 73.9 in. (1877 mm)
> > Height: 56.2 in. (1427 mm)
> > Wheelbase: 117.4 in. (2982 mm)
> > Track
> > -- Front: 62.5 in. (1588 mm)
> > -- Rear: 62.8 in. (1595 mm)
> > Weight: 3600 lbs. (1633 kg)
> >
> > Estimated Performance
> > 0-60 mph (0-97 kph): 5.7 sec
> > Top Speed: 154 mph (248 kph)
> > Quarter Mile, Standing Start 14.1 sec @ 101.5
> > mph (162 kph)
> > --
> > Russ
> > <http://www.flash.net/~lyttlec>
> > Not powered by ActiveX
--
Russ
<http://www.flash.net/~lyttlec>
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