Linux-Advocacy Digest #438, Volume #27 Mon, 3 Jul 00 08:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Where did all my windows go? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
s.n.a.f.u. 1b-i (Uncle)
Re: Hardware: ideal budget Linux box? (Re: I'm Ready! I'm ready! I'm not ready.)
(Jim Cameron)
Re: Linux code going down hill (Paul Colquhoun)
Re: Numbers for users,hackers? ("1$worth")
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: s.n.a.f.u. 1b-i (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: 11 Linux features I care about (was: 10 Linux "features" nobody cares about.)
(Ben Walker)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Phillip Lord)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Phillip Lord)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Phillip Lord)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Phillip Lord)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Pete Goodwin)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Where did all my windows go?
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 09:59:32 GMT
In article <8jpern$12d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <8jooej$ilu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Very productive attitude! you asked and I replied. You have been
> > MISUSING THE TERM LINUX! I have ben trying to Educate your to the
> > difference but you continue to missuse the term linux to continue
your
> > trolling ways. As I said earlier, if you know the difference between
> KDE
> > and Linux continue to bash linux for a KDE problem then you are a
> troll.
> > thus, you are a troll plain and symple!
>
> OK, let's take a look at this from another angle shall we.
>
> When you say Windows, do you mean Windows 98 SE or Windows 2000? If
you
> don't specify, how do I know what you're talking about? The two
systems
> are different. What causes a crash on one system hardly causes a
problem
> on the other. Therefore I feel perfectly justified to use Linux where
> maybe Linux desktop (KDE) might be better.
Sorry, Troll, but if I say windows, I mean all of the Windows family. I
could safely say "without buying additional software, Windows will not
run Linux applications". If I spacific issues with a spacific versions
of windows, I state the version, i.e. "W2K's active directory can be
more trouble than it is worth" If I said "Windows active directrory..."
I would EXPECT to be called on the error. I DO SPECIFY the difference.
>
> > The truly pathetic thing is that you whine when people call you
stupid
> > because you can not learn to communicate properly! Despite people
> trying
> > to correct your use of misuse of the term Linux, you continue to
> misuse
> > it. Probably because you know it is inflamitory. And *YOU* want to
> treat
> > me like a child???? Grow UP!
>
> Fine. When I see Windows being correctly specified, I'll accord you
guys
> the same courtesy. So long as I see Windows being called WinSucks or
> WinLose, and not Windows 98 SE or Windows 2000, I'll carry on using
> Linux.
>
> > C'ya Little boy!
>
> Bye bye, let me know when you get out of Kindergarden!
Sorry, you flunked kindergarden!
>
> --
> ---
> Pete
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Uncle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: s.n.a.f.u. 1b-i
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 10:12:39 GMT
Hi everyone.
I'm working on a sysadmin utility
called s.n.a.f.u. (stands for Slippy
Network Admins ofFsck Util) and its
aimed at making the monitoring of logs,
activity, hardware activity, and system
status a little easier for folks doing
a lot of their admining on the cmdline,
not in X.
It also provides quick(er) access
to system confs for editing and system
logs for viewing. And there are few
extra misc scripts in there as well.
I'm a looking for folks to giveit a
try and maybe some feed back as well.
Anyone interested in it can swing by:
http://www.geekcave.net
s.n.a.f.u. is an open source project
and developer input is welcomed
thankfully. Comments, suggestion,
code, flames, etc. can be emailed to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks,
Uncle
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.geekcave.net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Cameron)
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
Subject: Re: Hardware: ideal budget Linux box? (Re: I'm Ready! I'm ready! I'm not
ready.)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 09:17:29 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Darren Winsper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:50:10 GMT, Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Gonzo wrote:
>> >
>> > Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > AMD is ok. Watch out for the K6-3D, though. Some stores have taken it
>> > > out, because it would consistently slow down after about half an hour.
>> >
>> > Huh? Where did you get that?
>>
>> I don't remember exactly where i read that. It was in some computer
>> magazine several months ago. The problem mentioned something about
>> temperature in insufficiently cooled rooms. It seems like normal room
>> temperature was already too hot for the K6-3D.
>
>I have a K6-III 400, and it does not exhibit this problem.
I think Cihl was talking about the K6-II 3dnow! rather than the K6-III.
It's been suggested elsewhere in the thread that that was only a
problem with the early higher-voltage models; certainly I've never had
any trouble with mine (350MHz, 2.2V core). I do have a chassis fan
fitted, though.
jim
--
http://madeira.physiol.ucl.ac.uk/people/jim/
"Revenge is an integral part of forgiving and forgetting" -The BOFH
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Colquhoun)
Subject: Re: Linux code going down hill
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 10:43:21 GMT
On 2 Jul 2000 23:47:30 GMT, abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|David M. Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|> On 2 Jul 2000 20:04:49 GMT, abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|>
|>>Gnu is Not Unix. Neither is Linux. You are using a UNIX-*like*
|>>operating system, but there are quite alot of very important
|>>differences between linux (such as utter reliance on GNU code)
|>>and UNIX.
|>
|> Apart from a trademark, what exactly is UNIX? I don't think "unix" is well
|> defined enough to make the above statement very meaningful.
|>
|
|It is extremely well defined (for the layman) thusly:
If they know the diference between BSD & SYSV then they arn't much of a layman.
|Any operating system which is either A. BSD or B. System V in design and
|application. Oddly and perhaps ironically, this includes SunOS but not
|Solaris. :)
|
|Linux is neither BSD nor System V.
What defing charateristics do you use to determine whether or not
a Unix-Like system is BSD or SYSV ?
--
Reverend Paul Colquhoun, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Universal Life Church http://andor.dropbear.id.au/~paulcol
-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-
xenaphobia: The fear of being beaten to a pulp by
a leather-clad, New Zealand woman.
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From: "1$worth" <"1$worth"@costreduction.plseremove.screaming.net>
Subject: Re: Numbers for users,hackers?
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 11:47:27 +0100
Oliver Baker wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me where I might find reasonable estimates of
>
> a)the number of Linux users there are
> b)the number of expert users there are on average online available to
> help somebody with problems of a more-complicated-than-RTFM level.
>
> I would need to know what the source of the estimates is--as in the
> method used and who did the estimating. I'd really like something
> "authoritative," since this is for a magazine article.
There are no authoritative figures. It is like asking how many people
access the Internet. You may find http://counter.li.org/ useful though.
As for online help, there are many, many kind and good people willing to
give up their time and expertise to help, but I doubt if any of them
have recorded their efforts anywhere for surveys such as this. It it
reasonable to assume that if you have a genuine problem where you have
made an effort to solve it yourself, you WILL get help if you ask. It's
a friendly community thing....
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 07:01:55 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >> Nothing against the content of your posts mate but hows about cutting the
> >> sig. One or two lines of content and >20 lines of signature is just plain
> >> bad netiquette. Four lines is acceptible and good enough for most people.
> >
> > 1. Since it's at the end... you don't have to look at it.
> >
> > 2. This cuts down on the number of flames from the above-mentioned
> > idiots,
> > significantly reducing the need to respond to their idiocy.
>
> Child, please read up on usenet netiquette. Believe it or not some people
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Written back in the days of 300 bit/second modems....
Forgive me for noticing that ... technology has advanced in
the last 25 years.
> still use dial up access on relatively slow lines charged by the minute.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: s.n.a.f.u. 1b-i
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 07:11:22 -0400
Uncle wrote:
>
> Hi everyone.
>
> I'm working on a sysadmin utility
> called s.n.a.f.u. (stands for Slippy
> Network Admins ofFsck Util) and its
> aimed at making the monitoring of logs,
> activity, hardware activity, and system
> status a little easier for folks doing
> a lot of their admining on the cmdline,
> not in X.
I'd be willing to help on such a thing.
I have several years experience of actually automating such
daily task, and have been also thinking that what is needed
is some set of scripts that are flexible (through config files)
and "general purpose" enough to be portable -- useful at all
sites; rather than making custom-tailored scripts like I've
been developing.
Personally, I think this is best done with shell scripts, so
that modification can be implemented quickly (there are TONS of
admins who have never written a line of C code in their life--
everywhere I go, fellow admins think I'm God because I can
write in C :-)
>
> It also provides quick(er) access
> to system confs for editing and system
> logs for viewing. And there are few
> extra misc scripts in there as well.
>
> I'm a looking for folks to giveit a
> try and maybe some feed back as well.
> Anyone interested in it can swing by:
> http://www.geekcave.net
sounds good to me :-)
>
> s.n.a.f.u. is an open source project
> and developer input is welcomed
> thankfully. Comments, suggestion,
> code, flames, etc. can be emailed to:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Thanks,
> Uncle
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.geekcave.net
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ben Walker)
Subject: Re: 11 Linux features I care about (was: 10 Linux "features" nobody cares
about.)
Date: 3 Jul 2000 05:08:46 -0600
In article <8jpn79$7mt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Truckasaurus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 4. You can logg in remotely
>>
>> ...creating the nead for the whole username-and-pasword system. And
>> since it's a feature that only geeks need, the only "beneffit" for
>> normal users is that they need a password (see #2) to keep hackers
>> out, where they don't need one if they run Windows.
>
>Controlling a machine remotely has it's benefits. Feel free to bring up
>Linux without networking if you like (runlevel 2)
Being able to login to machines remotely is a good thing. At a remote
research site I help to support, we have several Linux machines running as
general purpose servers, database servers, and data acquisition machines. I
initially installed and configured these machines, brought them to the site,
and have not been back to the site in 2 and a half years. I routinely
administer and maintain these machines from in town. It's a lot easier
doing this than driving 150 miles to the site and wasting half a day
traveling. My colleague, who manages the NT machines, goes up about
every week or 2, and will sometimes need to bring an NT machine back to
reinstall NT. Every NT machine typically gets reinstalled every few
months.
>
>> 5. "X" Windows works over a network.
>>
>> Another faeture that nobody ever uses. This doesn't make "X" Windows
>> more usefull to most users. Windows still wins.
>
>On whos behalf are you talking? In my daily work, I often need to
>control a server remotely, and I think that products like NetOp
>(http://www.crossteccorp.com/) prove that Windows users also happen to
>require remote GUI access.
>But then again, I've got a _real_ job...
This again has been crucial for me. On our data acquisition machines, I
can su to that users account and run the GUI application as them with their
configuration settings, and see exactly what is causing problems. I too
have a real job, and remote access has been invaluable.
On a side note, if anybody is interested in Linux drivers for Computer
Boards DAS 1600 data acquisition board, DIO48 digital I/O board, AMD 9513
timer board, or Truetime IRIG board, we have written Linux drivers for these.
They were written for 2.0 kernels, and not as slick as production drivers,
but they work well and are stable. I should put them up on my web page in
case anybody wants to try them out, but I suspect there aren't many out
there running data acquisition under Linux.
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From: Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: 03 Jul 2000 12:19:17 +0100
>>>>> "Volker" == Volker Hetzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Volker> Phillip Lord wrote:
>> Economic aid is almost entirely a sham. It always comes with a
>> price. Its worth remember for instance that despite all of the
>> wonderful aid we give to the third world that more money heads in
>> the opposite direction.
Volker> Yet, what is the alternative?
There are positive moves towards changing the attitudes of the
banks towards third world. The second thing is I think to publicise
some of the impacts of the arms trade. So for instance I think that
quite a lot of the UK population is aware now for instance of the arms
trade going on between the UK and Indonesia, and some of the impact
this has had on both Indonesia and E.Timor. But considerably fewer of
the population are probably aware of the Export Credit Guarantee
Scheme which means that the UK taxpayer has unwritten a large part of
this arms trade.
Please do not get me wrong here, I am not criticising the
activities of groups like Oxfam, and other first world
organisations. They do a great deal of good. But by and large when the
European or US governments give "economic aid" its worth remembering
that the governments are a bunch of two faced lairs.
Phil
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From: Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: 03 Jul 2000 12:31:23 +0100
>>>>> "Hyman" == Hyman Rosen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Hyman> Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: You perception
Hyman> that our political systems do not openly discuss ideas is
Hyman> simply a consequence that on divisive issues, an elected
Hyman> representative must speak cautiously to avoid offending a
Hyman> large number of constituents.
>> No I don't think that this is true. There are a number of issues
>> for instance that very few politicians will speak on. It is
>> impossible in the UK to discuss several issues. Drugs is an
>> obvious one, the Royal Family another. And the single currency is
>> fairly dubious. The point is that no MP is prepared to stick
>> their head above the trench because it will inevitably get shot
>> off. So our political system never discusses the issue.
Hyman> You say that you don't think what I said is true, and then
Hyman> you give examples which confirm what I say! All you have said
Hyman> is that some views are so unpopular that representatives
Hyman> attempting to espouse those views would hurt their careers,
Hyman> so they don't do it. Perhaps you want your MPs to discuss the
Hyman> possibility of occasionally offering a virgin sacrifice to
Hyman> improve the economy?
You miss my point badly I am afraid.
Actually quite a large number of the population find the Royal
Family an anachronism, and feel that we should become a republic
rather than an Oxymoronic constitutional monarchy. The percentage
varies through the country from Scotland where 60 or 70% think that
the Royals though go, to the South East where most think they should
stay. Its a very large body of people. But when one of our MP's
suggest that the British population should be able to look around
Buckingham Palace, which after all they spend a lot of money on
maintaining the press jumps down her throat. The drugs issue is
another example. Even the Police federation has suggested that we
should legalise cannabis, but very few MP's will seriously discuss
this. These ideas are nothing like sacrificing virgins (although if
you mean Anne Widdicome then I am all in favour [UK Only Gag!]). Still
no one will discuss them.
Hyman> And the right to free speech means that you may buy as much
Hyman> speech as you are willing to pay for.
>> And you do not see this as a problem?
Hyman> No, I see this as freedom. If I am sufficiently motivated, I
Hyman> am permitted to use all the resources at my disposal to
Hyman> convince other people of my views.
But the extraordinarily divisive society that we have
means that power to do this is vested in only a few. This is not all
that different from the monarchical oligarchy that existed for much of
the last millennium. Which is a pity.
Phil
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From: Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: 03 Jul 2000 12:43:23 +0100
>>>>> "Phil" == phil hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I was talking more about our political system though. There may
>> not be restrictions on what we can say, but there are
>> restrictions on the ideas that are acceptable within politics,
Phil> Yes. To put it another, way if you have some ideas people will
Phil> ignore you, if you have other ideas, and can express them
Phil> well, you are less likely to be ignored.
Yes. Even ideas that quite a lot of the population see as
reasonable are included in the ideas which will get ignored
though. And the "people" who are doing the ignoring are not the
population as a whole, but rather the few who control the media and
political system.
>> The Major government was totally devoid of ideas, largely because
>> it appear they were too busy taking back handers to actually
>> think of any. The third way however takes vacuity to a new
>> height, and have turned it into an art form!
Phil> Oh, the Blair govmt has plenty of ideas. Unfortunatley they
Phil> aren't always very good ones. IR35 for example. Or the RIP
Phil> bill
Well IR35 seemed like a good idea to me. I can see no reason
why computer programmers should not pay tax, anymore than I can see no
way in which a multimillionaire should have a tax bill of 5000 pounds
a year.
RIP. Yeah, well no argument there. A bill which manages to be
Draconian, ineffective, and technologically stupid all at the same
time. Combined with the new Terrorism bill things are not looking
good.
>> For me it is good that despite all of the attempts to turn it
>> into a shopping centre most people who spend time on the net use
>> it to do this, talk, discuss, debate, make friends and make
>> enemies.
Phil> This will remain true, I thonk. (I hope so, I'm currently
Phil> setting up a company that will facilitate the creation of
Phil> online communities).
Sounds interesting. If you don't mind teleworkers, I am always
interested in making some extra cash....
>> But the internet is not our government. It is also an fairly
>> elitist thing at the moment.
Phil> It's becoming less so. In a few years time, people of all
Phil> backgrounds and social groups will typically be on the net.
Maybe so, although I do feel that many on the internet
over-estimate the speed at which this happens.
To me I feel that the internet is now at the same stage
as communications satellites were many years ago. People used to think
that satellites would make censorship impossible by enabling
unblockable communications. People later realised that whilst
satellites could transmit propaganda as well as truth. You do not need
to stop some one talking to make them inaudible. You just have to
shout louder.
>> Some good ideas will make it. Others will not. Other good ideas
>> will have large amounts of money pitted against them. Napster may
>> or may not survive,
Phil> The music industry will probably have more sucess in banning
Phil> Napster than they will have against Gnutella and Freenet.
It will be interesting to see how this unfolds thats for
sure.
Phil
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From: Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: 03 Jul 2000 12:45:45 +0100
>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> The free market provides freedom to almost no one.
Tim> It pervides more freedome than China, you LIE-nux COMMY
Tim>
BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well thank you for that thoughtful provocative addition
to the conversation. "Commy" is probably fairly accurate, but
"bastard" is wrong at least according to my parents.
Phil
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where did all my windows go?
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 11:43:15 GMT
In article <8jpo5v$855$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Sorry, Troll, but if I say windows, I mean all of the Windows family.
I
> could safely say "without buying additional software, Windows will not
> run Linux applications". If I spacific issues with a spacific versions
> of windows, I state the version, i.e. "W2K's active directory can be
> more trouble than it is worth" If I said "Windows active
directrory..."
> I would EXPECT to be called on the error. I DO SPECIFY the difference.
Others do not, so therefore I shall not either.
--
---
Pete
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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