Linux-Advocacy Digest #690, Volume #27 Sat, 15 Jul 00 02:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Leslie Mikesell)
This thread has needed a new name from the beginning (Bob Lyday)
Re: To Pete Goodwin: How Linux saved my lunch today! ("Colin R. Day")
Re: Linux is blamed for users trolling-wish. (Bob Lyday)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Mike Stump)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Mike Stump)
Re: Linux is blamed for users trolling-wish. (Bob Lyday)
Re: Linux is blamed for users trolling-wish. (Bob Lyday)
Re: Linux is blamed for users trolling-wish. (Bob Lyday)
Re: New Linux user & damn glad!! ("Colin R. Day")
Re: Linux is blamed for users trolling-wish. (Bob Lyday)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Mike Stump)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Mike Stump)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Mike Stump)
Re: Linux is blamed for users trolling-wish. (Bob Lyday)
Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots ("KLH")
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Aaron R. Kulkis' signature ("KLH")
Re: Web Browsers? ("KLH")
Re: Something wrong with linux :-( (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Are Linux people illiterate? ("KLH")
Re: Are Linux people illiterate? ("ostracus")
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: 14 Jul 2000 23:11:12 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Stump <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Nothing anyone can add to software can take anything away from the
>>original released version which will be available as long as anyone
>>wants it to be.
>
>You know, if you pay attention to the other posts in this thread, you
>would realize that the above is merely a figment of your imagination
>that others don't share.
I've seen lots of imaginative speculation about what might
happen, but no evidence at all. In contrast there is a
wealth of evidence for BSD style licensing keeping code
available in it's free, source-available form regardless
of what else is being done with it.
>>How has proprietary software had any 'dominating influence' over
>>apache, X, or any number of freer projects?
>
>Apache, no, not that I am aware of. For X, yes, look at openblow,
>ick. One can say that Sun has a dominating influence still.
And how has that harmed any other branch or reduced what you
can do with it?
>Also, X
>almost was turned to the dark side. If it were GPLed, we would not
>even have to watch people try.
If it were GPL'd it would never have been widely used in the
first place.
>Personally, I'd rather not watch
>situations like what happened with X, ever again.
Why - there was never any chance of the XFree branch becoming
unavailable.
>GPL prevents that,
>and that one instance is good enough for me to want all folks to use
>the GPL.
What the GPL would have prevented would have been any future
development at all on the main branch. If you think people
who don't want to work on a free project are going to be forced
to do so by a license, you are very confused.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:21:26 -0700
From: Bob Lyday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.sad-people.microsoft.lovers,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: This thread has needed a new name from the beginning
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> >>
> >But I've noticed that to
> > most people these days "proper administration" and "competent end-user"
Some people consider me to be a computer geek. I get about 1-2 blue
screens a day and have to reboot Windows on a daily basis. I am
incompetent?
> > equates to "knows how to avoid doing the things that make Windows tend
> > to crash",
Like "run the minimum number of programs at once" and other idiotic
advice. A good OS should allow you to run plenty of apps at once, no
problem, right?
And that is as much a problem of troubleshooting and system management
> > technique as it is crappy software,
Frankly, I am sick and tired of this excuse, "Windows crashes due to bad
drivers, bad 3rd party software, etc." Tell me, does *nix often go down
due to these things? I don't think so.
(Some might argue that many did, which
> > is why "reboot/reinstall" is the primary technique for dealing with
> > problematic Windows installations.)
My opinion is that a good OS should rarely need to be reinstalled. Is
this true?
--
Bob
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From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: To Pete Goodwin: How Linux saved my lunch today!
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:24:34 -0400
Mike Marion wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > This happens to be a slightly lengthy process --- partly, because the machine
>
> Try waiting for a 20Gig RAID-5 (software) array (on old 5400RPM SCSI
> disks) to fsck while the array is rebuilding.
>
> And no the computer didn't crash... I unplugged the wrong plug once.
> Built a custom kernel... and forgot to compile raid support in (D'oh!).
> :(
Hey, I once disabled IDE support (you kids at home: don't do this if
you have an IDE hard drive). Of course, this is why you save previous
kernel images.
Colin Day
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:23:57 -0700
From: Bob Lyday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.sad-people.microsoft.lovers,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Linux is blamed for users trolling-wish.
Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
> >
> I understand computers for the
> most part, but I don't understand Windows.
Even BG says that Doze error messages mystify him.
Everybody (IT sups,
> Management) tells me that "Windows is the future" and I need to "learn
> it or be lost in the coming MS age"
Yes, the lunatics that are running the asylum. As a matter of fact, I
see a lot of evidence that MS' shining star is fading.
--
Bob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Stump)
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:14:42 GMT
In article <8kmrvb$ivk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Lee Hollaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Wow! That's really impressive.
[ bowing and smiling ] Thanks. I knew I was pretty impressive.
>But can you cite one case where the FSF has litigated the issue in
>court and a judge has decided it?
>Or do we have to "hang around here for another decade or two"?
Actually, I don't think the FSF will ever get to court. It isn't
because they won't want to go, it is rather because I don't think many
want to be aligned against them. The players that have a financial
interest know pretty well how the game is played, the FSF will
publicly state the rules early and fairly well stick to them. They
can announce surprises every now and then, but even the surprising
ones I think are inconsequential.
Honest mistakes happen from time to time, and I don't think the FSF
has an interest in taking those to court.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Stump)
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:21:44 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>No, its a LOT trickier than that. Because if you "get in early" before
>an IPO, you *are* an insider.
I see how what I said didn't match what I was thinking. I left out a
and get out... That came 6 months before they IPO or sell to a public
company.
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:27:41 -0700
From: Bob Lyday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.sad-people.microsoft.lovers,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Linux is blamed for users trolling-wish.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> My home systems are a prime example. They BSOD on a regular basis due
> to all the crap the kids are loading on them.
Would *nix go down all the time due to all the crap being loaded onto
it? I don't think so...
>
> And BTW the same thing applies to Linux, in a different manner though.
> If you check the HCL and purchase hardware that works, you will have a
> smooth road. If not, it could range from mildly frustrating to
> downright unusable.
At least Linux hardly ever crashes. If Linux hates your HW, it usually
won't even install.
>--
Bob
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:30:03 -0700
From: Bob Lyday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.sad-people.microsoft.lovers,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Linux is blamed for users trolling-wish.
Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Yes it is and that was the original topic of my "Bit-Twiddler" post. I
> > was not talking about programmers or techno-geeks, I was speaking
> > about the average user who grew up and suffered with DOS, OS/2
Suffered with OS/2, one of the best OS's ever made? I think you need a
brain transplant.
--
Bob
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:34:43 -0700
From: Bob Lyday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.sad-people.microsoft.lovers,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Linux is blamed for users trolling-wish.
Truckasaurus wrote:
>
> In article <q4695.399$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Yannick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Truckasaurus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit dans le message :
> > 8jumsu$mae$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > (...)
> > > > Windows has no equal...At least not yet....
Yep. Worst OS on the market.
> > Why, everybody was telling him linux was better.
Well, it is.
That MS was an
> horrible
> > company,
One of the evillest on the planet.
working only to suck his money and control his life.
This is certainly true all right.
That
> they were
> > going to destroy Microsoft and Windows, the OS he was currently
> using...
Dubious. Nice thought, though.
>
> - or maybe he is just what I accused him of being; a troll that 'gave
> Linux a try', but really just did a lousy halfhearted install attempt,
> in order to have an excuse for pooping on the good name of Linux.
>
> It isn't hard to mess up an install - you can even do it in Windows.
> So a failed installation doesn't really prove anything, other than that
> you failed installing...
The guy who is building my computer had a hell of a time installing OS/2
a few weeks ago. A lot of OS's are hard to install. Doesn't mean it's
a crappy OS....
--
Bob
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From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New Linux user & damn glad!!
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:37:22 -0400
richard harlos wrote:
> Hi, all.
>
> I'm just about messin' my shorts for joy!
>
> I installed Slackware 7.1 (BigSlack, the UMSDOS install) on my PC and am
> now happily up and running on the 'net.
>
> Aside from a little tweaking to get my cheap, ISP-supplied network card
> enabled, I'm good to go.
>
> And even though it's going to take some time to learn my way around X
> and Linux in general, I'm much happier to be *doing* something about
> my dissatisfaction with Microsoft product (by not using them anymore
> than necessary!) than just *talking* about it.
>
> Don't flame this newbie too bad :)
Don't worry, and welcome aboard.
>
>
> richard harlos
Colin Day
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:37:01 -0700
From: Bob Lyday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.sad-people.microsoft.lovers,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Linux is blamed for users trolling-wish.
Truckasaurus wrote:
>
> In article <2Apa5.1507$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Yannick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit dans le message :
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > > But that MS is a horrible company,
> > As of today, this has become an _opinion_.
>
> - backed by a court ruling...
>
> > > that their products work only to suck money
> > It's an american company...
>
That's a good one! An American company cannot leach off Americans! No
American would do that to a fellow citizen! LOL.
--
Bob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Stump)
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:32:00 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Did you know that a "twit" is defined as a pregnant female goldfish?
[ lol ]
Reach for the unabridged one next time. :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Stump)
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:35:37 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Austin Ziegler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This is where you are simply, completely, and unalterably *wrong*.
>Software will no more be Lego block building than building skyscrapers
>will be.
Actually, I don't think we are nearly as advanced (in the lego sense)
as they are. Ever watch a construction company bid on a building,
ever watch software guys bid on software? Maybe I am only surrounded
by incompetent software folks, but I do get the feeling I am not
alone.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Stump)
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:38:06 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jay Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>No. He can only use GPVed software in his programs if he then agrees to
>license the whole of his work under the GPV.
This is not true, thanks for playing.
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:05:09 -0700
From: Bob Lyday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.sad-people.microsoft.lovers,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Linux is blamed for users trolling-wish.
David Brown wrote:
>
> (and there are a lot of Americans who think that
> ms represents the ideal company - it is American and it makes a lot of
> money, therefore it should be encouraged no matter how it is making that
> money),
Al Capone was an American who made a lot of money. He should be cheered
too? Actually, there is not much difference between the two.
--
Bob
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From: "KLH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:14:10 -0700
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> mlw wrote:
> >
> > Iko wrote:
> > > A linux server is made in about 3 hours...even my girlfriend can
> > > do the job..
> >
> > Oh boy, do you have a lot to learn. Either you think poorly of your
> > girlfriend or women generally. Either way, someone's sex has no bearing
>
> Data processing is oftentimes best represented in the mind as
> 3+ dimensional processes. On the average, men's brains are MUCH
> more adept at this sort of thinking (in the same way as on the
> average, women's brain's are much more adept at acquiring and
> using linquistic skills)
Personally, I find the differences between the thinking of men and woman
similar to the differences between KDE and GNOME; not very interesting and
far too slight to really matter.
>
> > on their ability to do anything. I know some women software engineers
> > that will put anyone to shame. (And yes, they can install Linux)
>
> the exception does not make the rule.
But, the exception does invalidate the rule.
>
>
> >
> > How about: "...even a politician can do the job." or "... even a G.W.
> > Bush could do it." (Well, actually that's probably blatantly false)
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > --
> > Mohawk Software
> > Windows 9x, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
> > Visit http://www.mohawksoft.com
> > Nepotism proves the foolishness of at least two people.
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
>
> C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
> sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
> that she doesn't like.
>
> D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
>
> E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (D) above.
>
> F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
> response until their behavior improves.
>
> G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> H: Knackos...you're a retard.
Best Regards,
Kevin Holmes
"extrasolar"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: 15 Jul 2000 00:22:05 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>You're also allowed to manufacture a product which runs only using Microsoft
>>libraries under Microsoft Windows. That is not considered a derivative work
>>of Microsoft's libraries, even though it runs under nothing else. (RMS
>>seems to think otherwise on this, too.)
>
>Well, if there were any Win32 API libraries other than Microsoft's, then
>RMS would be consistent, not to mention accurate, in that assessment, I
>think.
WINE is an approximation.
>Therefore, (since whether someone else does something can't
>change whether a work was derived or not) all software which only runs
>under Windows does certainly seem to qualify, and would in law if it
>could ever come up (it can't; don't bother with hypothetical arguments
>unless you're up to the challenge) as derivative works of Windows.
Does that mean you should need MS's permission to copy/distribute
your own program that calls their interface? Would this
depend on whether WINE supported it or not?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "KLH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Aaron R. Kulkis' signature
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:27:08 -0700
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> What does it take to get this guy to stop attaching his rediculous
> signature to his posts? Most times the content of his replies are 1 or
> 2 lines and yet, after many people pointing out that his signature is
> far too long, he does nothing!
>
> It's a shame as his comments are normally reasonable and well put.
Amen, brother! I was considering bringing it up but I felt stupid because I
never really understood the .sig. It seemed like a conversation among the
letter people.
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From: "KLH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Web Browsers?
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:28:28 -0700
Aravind Sadagopan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Why dont you try opera ..its still in beta but good enough
>
> aravind
>
I would try Opera if it wasn't so evil.
> Bob Hauck wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:24:22 -0500, Christopher S. Arndt
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >I have tried mozilla, but it really take a lot of memory, and is always
> > >crashing, as does netscape 4.x and 6.x.
> >
> > Turn off java in Netscape and see if that helps. Also, 4.73 and 4.06
> > have been pretty reliable for me (even with java).
> >
> > --
> > -| Bob Hauck
> > -| To Whom You Are Speaking
> > -| http://www.bobh.org/
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Something wrong with linux :-(
Date: 15 Jul 2000 00:34:13 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>The reason might be that there is no typewriter-ish software for Linux
>available yet, like Word on Windows. For that we must wait until KDE2
>with KOffice comes out, i think. I've tried Abiword, but for some
>reason i simply don't like it.
Staroffice seems reasonable meanwhile.
Les Mikesell
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:36:01 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Gary Hallock in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> You seem to have made my point, and lived up to your namesake, both
>> admirably.
>>
>
>I have been quietly following this thread with mild amusement. You really
>seem to have no understanding of CMT or PMT. As far as I can tell your only
>objection to PMT is that it is less responsive than CMT for the user
>interface.
Less than that. The only thing I have against PMT is that I've noticed
engineers call CMT "stupid", even thought it seems to work well enough
for some users.
>But, as has been explained to you many times, that is simply not
>true. PMT, by its very nature, can respond faster than CMT. This is
>because, when the user clicks on the mouse, a PMT system can grab control
>away from the currently running process and give it to the user interface
>process. With CMT, the user interface process has to patiently wait for
>whatever process currently has control to voluntarily give it up. The only
>way CMT could be faster is if you kill all other processes, but then that
>wouldn't be CMT anymore - it would just be T. Where did you get the idea
>that CMT is more responsive than PMT and what experience do you have with PMT
>systems?
I got that idea because nobody was able to explain what you just did
with anywhere near that level of ability. Thank you very much. I see
your point. And you'll notice it was a relatively trivial conceptual
glitch on my part. I was thinking of the "interface" as the app, and
that's obviously not the case, is it? I still don't think there's near
as much difference as "those who know", but I could just be clueless.
Thanks for at least nominally tolerating my musings. I appreciate your
patience.
--
T. Max Devlin
Manager of Research & Educational Services
Managed Services
ELTRAX Technology Services Group
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-[Opinions expressed are my own; everyone else, including
my employer, has to pay for them, subject to
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From: "KLH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Are Linux people illiterate?
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:33:54 -0700
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8kklln$gpq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Nice try, typical Linux user trying to skirt the issue.. My post is not
> Linux Documentation. If you are posting technical documentation on the
> web site, it should be at least readable. How lame.
Well it is readable. Even with typos, the human mind has had the ability to
detect communication even when that communication is error-prone. Hence, I
can read your posts as well.
But I believe that the Linux Documentation Project would be happy to accept
you correction, if given along the right channels.
Best Regards,
Kevin Holmes
"extrasolar"
>
>
> In article <8kif2e$qqd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > : A WHOLE bunch of typos at the Linux documentation project!
> >
> > That sentance has no verb.
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > : --- I mean really,, what a bunch of retards! You all spent so much
> time
> > ^
> > Your punctuation needs work. Also, the phrase "you all" is redundant,
> > unless you're from the southern U.S.
> >
> > : geeking that you never acquired spelling and grammar skills?
> Well..
> > : rest my case, the real world will ever take Linux seriously.
> >
> > Maybe you mean "*I* rest my case", unless you're instructing us to
> > rest your case for you.
> >
> > I'm fairly certain the Linux community doesn't take you seriously.
> > The rest of the world doesn't give a rat's ass about the occasional
> > typo since they're so prevalent on the internet anyway.
> >
> >
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: "ostracus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Are Linux people illiterate?
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:45:44 -0500
In article <8klir5$8hf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
<snip>
>
> Are you volunteering for the Linux Documentation Proofreading Project?
>
> I for one am grateful for anyone that has *volunteered* their time to
> write documentation, a thankless task at best.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
And after reading this entire thread I've noted that it has a great return
on investment.
BTW Quite a few typos result not from poor grammer/spelling skills, but
poor typing skills.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:48:04 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said [EMAIL PROTECTED] in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>On Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:34:41 -0400, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>>Said ZnU in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [...]
>>>> Then other than buggy applications, there's no benefit to PMT, right?
>>>
>>>Wrong.
>>
>>Couldn't you just say "you're mistaken"? Or maybe skip it entirely and
>>merely address the point, as you do below?
>
>Why? It's flat wrong, obviously wrong, and stupidly and foolishly
>wrong. We don't pull many punches here, and you've bungled a LOT of
>things in this CMT/PMT discussion.
I'd say I love making people look silly by getting them defensive by
questioning their assumption. But it wouldn't be true. As it is, I'm
an incredibly bright guy who has a lot to learn, and a lot to teach.
I've figured out *tons* of stuff that others who argued against me
hadn't. If the technical issue of CMT/PMT is so important to you, who
cares? The fact that you're running on assumptions and mandates, and
quite possibly don't even *really understand* any of the tougher issues
of computer sciences, and have simply memorized what you learn as
correct because its easy answers. So, yea, maybe I'm busting your
balls, and maybe I'm clueless. And maybe I'm right, and maybe I'm just
right to question.
But either way, I've been learning more than you have. So I guess I
win. The shitty part is most of what I've been learning, I've been
figuring out for myself.
>That's not good. Add to the fact
>that the entire computing industry disagrees with you (for general use
>systems) and *explicitly* disagrees with you for desktops, and I would
>think even you would realize you have an incredibly weak case.
The "computer industry" when Apple decided to use CMT I trusted, and had
a reason to trust, and it was valid. Today's computer industry, I
wouldn't bet a dime on whether a single one of them had a clue. No
doubt they simply mirror the knee-jerk reaction in this group. Not a
one of them could probably even comprehend how CMT could really work,
because they'd trained themselves not to consider such heresy. At least
from the general experience I've had with the entire IT world so far.
We're all just human, after all. Its probably what I'd do, if I could
possibly manage to be a software engineer.
But then I keep thinking about that Ethernet....
>So, do
>more to support it - look up a few things, give some concrete
>examples, or do *something* to lend some strength and weight to your
>case.
Where the *hell* could you possibly look up good things about CMT,
without even a pass to the junior wizard school library? What do you
think I've been doing? Do you recognize the concept of "autonomous
authority" and know how CSMA/CD works? Do some research, dammit;
they're concrete examples.
--
T. Max Devlin
Manager of Research & Educational Services
Managed Services
ELTRAX Technology Services Group
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-[Opinions expressed are my own; everyone else, including
my employer, has to pay for them, subject to
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