Linux-Advocacy Digest #690, Volume #33 Wed, 18 Apr 01 16:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Communism (Mathew)
Re: Communism (Mathew)
Re: Am I fucked? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000 ("Todd")
Re: What's the point (Brent R)
Re: The X-Box and monopoly was: Blame it all on Microsoft (Paul Repacholi)
Re: What's the point (Brent R)
Re: Communism (Rob Robertson)
beginner (Rajkumar)
Re: What's the point (Norman D. Megill)
Re: beginner (Chad Everett)
Re: Am I fucked? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000 (Tor Iver Wilhelmsen)
Re: Who votes for Sliverdick to be executed: AYEs:3 NAYS:0 (1 ABSTAIN) (Rob
Robertson)
Re: What's the point (Chad Everett)
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Crossposted-To:
alt.society.liberalism,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
From: Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 04:55:36 +1000
On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> Mathew wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
> > > >
> > > > Aaron> Fulcanelli wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Walter Daniels wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > The Japanese Government(?) and Japanese business, are so
>intertwined
> > > > >> > > taht there isd effectively no difference. This due in large part, to
> > > > >> > > their decision after WWII, to "co-ordinate" business policies. There
> > > > >> > > is a ministry, whose name escapes me, that literally controls
>research
> > > > >> > > and development. No R&D is done, without their permission. IIRC, it
> > > > >> > > also determines what can be imprted/exported.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Which, of course, means you have a state capitalist system, similar in
> > > > >> > ways to authoritarian state capitalist systems in other Asian states,
>like
> > > > >> > Korea and Taiwan, though each have moved towards democracy, and Japan
>is
> > > > >> > democratic.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > None of that suggests Japan is fascist. Anyone who makes that claim is
> > > > >> > ignorant about what fascism is, and engaged in hyperbolic rhetoric that
> > > > >> > creates more heat than light.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Good point. Fascism has always, by it's nature, been anti-democratic and
> > > > >> to equate a democratic nation with Fascism is silly. Now some people
> > > > >> might argue that the democracy is an illusion, like some Socialists, but
> > > > >> they'd never do something like claim that a democratic nation is Fascist.
> > > > >> Another thing Daniels doesn't know is that, in Fascism, the state
> > > > >> *assists* big business in maintaining and increasing production, as
> > > > >> opposed to acting as a burden. This would make the Bush administration
> > > > >> more like Fascism than Japan easily.
> > > >
> > > > Aaron> Clue for the Clueless...most of the "corporate welfare", as Robert
>Reich
> > > > Aaron> so succinctly put it...was instituted by Democrats.
> > > >
> > > > Lots was, but I expect most of that is now rolled off.
> > > >
> > > > Aaron> Republicans (and especially libertarians) advocate that the
>government
> > > > Aaron> neither hinder NOR ASSIST businesses.
> > > >
> > > > Read the Cato (fairly libertarian) report on Corporate Welfare. The
> > > > GOP is in it as big as the democrats were when they were in power.
> > >
> > >
> > > And this absolves the Demoncrooks of guilt how exactly?
> >
> > It just shows that Republicrooks are just as,or more entrencehed than
> > the Demoncrooks.Can you except this?
> >
>
> So you admit that the Demoncrooks are crooks.
>
> Thank you.>
The Republicans are more Fascist.
> Now, do the right thing and vote Libertarian.
I take it you are Lebertarian?
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
>
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Crossposted-To:
alt.society.liberalism,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
From: Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 04:56:48 +1000
On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
> >
> > Aaron> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
> > >>
> > Aaron> Fulcanelli wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > Walter Daniels wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > The Japanese Government(?) and Japanese business, are so intertwined
> > >> >> > > taht there isd effectively no difference. This due in large part, to
> > >> >> > > their decision after WWII, to "co-ordinate" business policies. There
> > >> >> > > is a ministry, whose name escapes me, that literally controls research
> > >> >> > > and development. No R&D is done, without their permission. IIRC, it
> > >> >> > > also determines what can be imprted/exported.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Which, of course, means you have a state capitalist system, similar in
> > >> >> > ways to authoritarian state capitalist systems in other Asian states,
>like
> > >> >> > Korea and Taiwan, though each have moved towards democracy, and Japan is
> > >> >> > democratic.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > None of that suggests Japan is fascist. Anyone who makes that claim is
> > >> >> > ignorant about what fascism is, and engaged in hyperbolic rhetoric that
> > >> >> > creates more heat than light.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Good point. Fascism has always, by it's nature, been anti-democratic and
> > >> >> to equate a democratic nation with Fascism is silly. Now some people
> > >> >> might argue that the democracy is an illusion, like some Socialists, but
> > >> >> they'd never do something like claim that a democratic nation is Fascist.
> > >> >> Another thing Daniels doesn't know is that, in Fascism, the state
> > >> >> *assists* big business in maintaining and increasing production, as
> > >> >> opposed to acting as a burden. This would make the Bush administration
> > >> >> more like Fascism than Japan easily.
> > >>
> > Aaron> Clue for the Clueless...most of the "corporate welfare", as Robert Reich
> > Aaron> so succinctly put it...was instituted by Democrats.
> >
> > >> Lots was, but I expect most of that is now rolled off.
> >
> > Aaron> Republicans (and especially libertarians) advocate that the government
> > Aaron> neither hinder NOR ASSIST businesses.
> >
> > >> Read the Cato (fairly libertarian) report on Corporate Welfare. The
> > >> GOP is in it as big as the democrats were when they were in power.
> >
> > Aaron> And this absolves the Demoncrooks of guilt how exactly?
> >
> > In no way manner or form. The democrats are as bad
>
>
> Then why do you keep voting for them?
>
>
>
> When are you going to do the right thing and vote Libertarian???
> HMMMMMMMMM?
Some of their beliefs seem far fetched.
>
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
>
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From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: rec.photo.digital,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Am I fucked? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 02:59:42 +0800
Reply-To: "Todd" <todd<remove>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi.
I work for HP. HP is attempting to suppor all devices under windows 2000 in
anticipation of Window XP (since it will be both a consumer OS as well as a
Business OS).
Plug in your camera to the USB port. If Windows 2000 doesn't instantly
recogonize it, try rescanning the USB ports under the hardware device
manager.
I find that this always works for me.
You won't have any luck under Linux... camera and scanner support is non
intuitive AT BEST under Linux.
I don't speak for HP since it has a zillion employees, but I know enough to
know that Linux is viewed at most as a server OS. (which implies no support
for consumer oriented peripherals)
-Todd
"Igor3489" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I bought an HP Photosmart C500 digital camera. I have Linux and Win2000.
>
> Guess what, the stupid camera does not work with Win2000 because HP did
> not write a driver for it.
>
> It appears that the camera supports TWAIN.
>
> I have two questions:
>
> 1) Is there another TWAIN driver/app that would support my camera, without
> the need for HP drivers?
>
> 2) Can I use the camera with linux? That would be preferred as I do use
> linux much more than win2000.
>
> Thank you!
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's the point
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:01:17 GMT
Chad Everett wrote:
>
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:56:02 GMT, A Microsoft Employee wrote:
> >
> > [-- WinTroll rambling snipped --]
Pretty typical response, calling the poster a troll instead of refuting
his assertions.
> ><SOAPBOX>
> >And frankly, the attitudes of users are vastly different between Windows and
> >Linux. Newbies who have a Windows problem get helpful, or at least courteous
> >responses on USENET groups.
> >
>
> As long as your Windows problem isn't technical at all. I posted
> to Windows USENET groups about a Windows problems I was having and
> got exactly ZERO responses. It was just too technical. If you need
> to know how to dial-up AOL you'll get lots of responses though.
> The www.microsoft.com online "knowledge base" was an absolute joke.
>
> At least with Linux groups you'll get:
>
> "You can fix your problem by adding the following to your
> /etc/rc.config file you stupid idiot:........"
>
> I'd much rather get a solution with an attached insult than
> no solution at all.
Yeah I suppose I'd agree with that, Windows works great when it works
great but when it doesn't work... man are you screwed.
--
- Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: The X-Box and monopoly was: Blame it all on Microsoft
From: Paul Repacholi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 19 Apr 2001 02:49:58 +0800
Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Pardon me, I must be mistaken then. Please give me a URL where I
> can read about keyboard and/or mice that are going to be available
> for the X-Box.
It has USB and/or Firewire does it not?
--
Paul Repacholi 1 Crescent Rd.,
+61 (08) 9257-1001 Kalamunda.
West Australia 6076
Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's the point
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:08:33 GMT
spicerun wrote:
>
> In article <vj2D6.4868$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Eric"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I got my cable modem, printer, cdrom drives, and daily programs going,
> > and it took me endless hours - most of them spent trying to fix my
> > display resolution, only to find out the config file was XF86config-4
> > and not XF86config. How the hell was I supposed to know that?
> >
> > Then I started tackling my digital camera. I followed all the howtos I
> > could find - no joy.
>
> A word of advice....when dealing with Redhat make certain you read the
> HOWTOs written especially for Redhat....In this case, that is how you
> would have found out that Redhat uses XF86config-4. You would need to get
> the HOWTOs from your distribution disk (If you bought a Redhat Box Set) or
> you need to read the HOWTOs on Redhat's site (www.redhat.com).
>
> Again, Redhat is notorious about doing minor 'tweaks' to the Linux
> configuration that nobody else knows about.
>
> >And I still dealt with crappy looking fonts on my
> > web browsers. And that's when I decided to throw in the towel.
>
> This is a Dead Giveaway! TROLL! Steve/88-keys is at it again...can
> always count on him to bring up the fonts non-issue. Tell me Steve, are
> you employed by Microsoft directly, or are you an employee of a Public
> Relations firm paid by Microsoft?
Another typical response... accusing the poster of being an employee of
Microsoft with any criticism at all of Linux. It reminds me of the
French Revolution and the Jacobins accusing people of being foreign
agents.
<snip>
--
- Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
------------------------------
From: Rob Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.society.liberalism,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:15:09 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >>>>> Rob Robertson writes:
>
> Rob> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >> >>>>> Rob Robertson writes:
> >>
> Rob> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> snip>
> >>
> >> >> what a maroon.
> >>
> Rob> Stop playing "More Libertarian than thou". It's unseemly.
> >>
> >> Kulkis is not vaguely libertarian. He repeatedly calls for the
> >> murder of people that disagree with him.
>
> Rob> When reason fails, weapons prevail. I think his trip-wire temper
> Rob> works against him, but for the most part I understand the attitude.
>
> I do not understand advocating killing people for their beliefs.
> I only understand killing in self defense. And I only consider
> physical force in defending oneself or another innocent from real
> harm. Ideas should be fought with other ideas. He also recently
> advocated a modern version of debtor prison. He is not fond of
> liberty.
Self-defense in the face of rising totalitarianism is not a cut-and-dried
matter of facing down some jackbooted thug from a militia bunker; there is
the question of the initiation of violence and whether taxes taken at the
(implied) point of a gun constitutes the first strike against freedom. If
someone is merely parking their barrel-filled Ryder truck right next to
your car in a parking lot, how long do you wait before taking defensive
action, even to the point of 'violating' their right of personal property
by opening up the back of the truck to disarm the bomb?
I think the same holds true regarding the subversion of the Constitution
and individual liberties in America, and the question of when to act and
what actions to take in response to that very real threat deserves some
thoughtful consideration, though I have always held to the notion that
every rational response must be exhausted before taking the next step.
> >> He is also deeply dishonest, stooping to forgery (of his own words
> >> no less) to cover up his own disability to read his own words.
>
> Rob> What did he forge?
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Check the progression of his question to me in the thread. He later
> claimed that I was the one that had forged the post, but that would
> make no sense, as the forgery just covered up his own stupidity in
> not having read his own words carefully.
It boils down to this;
==========================================================================
> Aaron> You know...name some Communist-style government policies that
> Aaron> you disagree with.
> >>
> >> Can't think of any in the real world.
>
> Aaron> then you're a Communist.
>
> Because I do not agree with any of their policies?
You just said that you can't think of any that you do disagree with.
==========================================================================
His original statement read "name some Communist-style government
policies that you AGREE with" [emph. mine] and it does appear that
he changed it to "disagree" after he realized that you weren't
saying what he'd thought you said.
What's the deal with the forgery, Kulkis?
> >> He is a worse excuse for a libertarian than Mark Gibson.
> >>
> >> And he lies, regularly.
>
> Rob> About what?
>
> Anything he wants to. One example is later in the above referenced
> thread. Another one was in this thread where he declared that I vote
> for democrats and later when he claimed I supported socialist programs.
I saw that. Hey, that's what you get for swapping targets on a regular
basis -- sometimes you have a long run of exposing lying left-wingers,
and as soon as they have you pegged as a 'fascist', you turn your guns
on conservatives, until *they* have you pegged as a 'socialist weasel'!
I've dealt with other shoot-from-the-hip loose cannons before, and this
isn't all that different from my other past experiences.
> He has also lied about my position on global warming, accusing me of being
> a vociferous proponent of the man-made warming theory, when the reality
> is that I claim no knowledge of the answer to that question (as you probably
> inferred from our theoretical discussion of the role of government in a
> solution to GW _if_ were to be proven true).
I thought you were awfully quick to default to a government solution to
the problem. The way I see it, you come to libertarianism from the old
'Democrats are for the little guy' school of thought, and the argument
of using the government to cure societal ills is still acceptable to you
on some level, whereas my views stem more from an ill-defined sense of
anarcho-capitalism, and I came to Libertarianism as an activist approach
to stopping the predations of the state. Maybe I'm just more reflexively
cynical than you, but I still didn't think that a) you were a proponent
of the GW theory, or 2) that you're ideologically shut off from a purely
market-derived solution to the problem. It was a fair and open exchange
of ideas, as it always has been.
Face it, Andrew; it takes a while to get a handle on where you're coming
from sometimes, and a hothead like Kulkis is going to jump at the slightest
whiff of what may be construed as advocacy of increased state power. That's
his error, but I see where it's coming from, even if it doesn't excuse it.
> There are countless other
> examples if you look closely. I have caught him in lies about the taxes
> he pays, he has made false statements about science then ran when presented
> with references that prove him wrong (just like Lochner and Yeadon).
Well, that doesn't do anyone any good, does it.
> >> He is the moral equivalent of the weasels.
>
> Rob> I'd like to see you make the case for that.
>
> See above. I meant in the way he "debates" on usenet, not the programs
> he advocates.
Understood. I await his response.
> --
> Andrew Hall
> (Now reading Usenet in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh...)
_
Rob
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From: Rajkumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: beginner
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:21:55 GMT
Hi
I would like to install RedHat 6.0. I have the CD. I don't know anything about
linux.
Please show me places (on internet) where I can get information on installing
RedHat 6.0 I will be most happy if I get step-by-step installation guides.
Thank You
Rajkumar
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Subject: Re: What's the point
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Norman D. Megill)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:23:11 GMT
In article <vj2D6.4868$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>After six years of Windows and one GPF too many, I bought Redhat7 and
>installed it. I expected a learning curve, but nothing like I ended up
>with.
A big difference is that Windows is normally preinstalled, whereas Linux
is not. A few years ago just *reinstalling* Windows 95 from the
supplied CDs on a Gateway laptop was a nightmare, with all kinds of
special non-standard drivers etc. They finally documented the procedure
on the web:
http://gateway.com/support/product/portable/solo%5Fseries/p2300/software/win95b/p23fdisk/23format.shtml
Would you be able to figure this out by yourself?
I recently had the pleasure (at work) of getting an 800MHz Dell with
Linux 7.0 pre-installed. You turned it on and it just worked. Plug it
into the local DHCP LAN and you're connected. To reinstall the factory
system, they provide a ks.cfg file that does everything including
formatting and partitioning the disk, from a single command typed at
the boot: prompt. It just could not get easier.
--Norm
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Subject: Re: beginner
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 18 Apr 2001 14:07:37 -0500
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:21:55 GMT, Rajkumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi
>
>I would like to install RedHat 6.0. I have the CD. I don't know anything about
>linux.
>Please show me places (on internet) where I can get information on installing
>RedHat 6.0 I will be most happy if I get step-by-step installation guides.
>
>Thank You
>Rajkumar
>
>
http://www.redhat.com/support/docs/rhl60.html
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Crossposted-To: rec.photo.digital,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Am I fucked? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000
From: Tor Iver Wilhelmsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:21:47 GMT
"Ed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> No, you are not f*****, but you are a jackass for posting a subject line
> like that. And the people who are defending you are bigger jackasses.
Why? It's a perfectly common (ab)use of the word in contemporary
English. Why is he a jackass for writing English?
--
Tor Iver Wilhelmsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Mulysa eht gninnur era setamni eht.
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From: Rob Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Who votes for Sliverdick to be executed: AYEs:3 NAYS:0 (1 ABSTAIN)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:27:44 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Martin McPhillips wrote:
>
> Rob Robertson wrote:
> >
> > Martin McPhillips wrote:
> > >
> > > Rob Robertson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Aaron> I think Sliverdick should be made to serve as an example to all
>others
> > > > > Aaron> who believe in his idiotic shit.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, by mocking his views and exposing his lies.
> > > > >
> > > > > Killing him for his ideas, as you advocate, is the
> > > > > act of a totalitarian, which you have often shown
> > > > > signs of.
> > > >
> > > > Aaron is not advocating killing Yeadon *directly* for his
> > > > ideas, Andrew; he's putting Glen in a position of evaluating
> > > > a system (pure democracy) that rejects inherent individual
> > > > rights and uphold political, mass-derived rights. If Glen
> > > > supports the 'will of the people' then it stands that any
> > > > system that rejects his just claim to his own life allows
> > > > a 'vote' as to whether or not Glen continues living.
> > > >
> > > > It's a valid point (even though I've chosen not to join
> > > > in the voting) because, as Aaron *implies* in his example,
> > > > the rejection of inherent individual rights will lead
> > > > inexorably to a vote on who lives and who dies. Kulkis
> > > > (and Glenworthy) both tacitly reject totalitarianism
> > > > in this thread.
> > >
> > > How could anyone suggest that this poor young
> > > man be executed--
> > >
> > > http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/abrose.htm
> > >
> > > Is there any doubt that Glenn D. Yeadon's photograph
> > > betrays a solemn, thoughtful, sincere borderline
> > > mentally retarded upstanding citizen?
> >
> > That requires a warning label, Martin. Shame on you.
>
> What do you mean, Rob?
I mean that not everyone has the full reservoir of charity
and compassion that you do that allows you to empathize with
the plight of this poor soul and look past the superficial
"FBIs 10 Most Wanted List" appearance in that photo.
I'm only thinking of the children, after all.
> I feel about that handsome
> young man the way I would about a son. How could
> I possibly sit idly by while people vote on his
> execution? Whenever I see him responding to others
> with something like--
>
> "yer lying fascist fuckwit quisling liar, cant ansewer
> my facts, pay me my money, fucwit, ya lost the bet."
>
> --I know that he means well. Why can't others show a
> little patience with him? Do we rush the infirm? In time,
> as he has more exposure to others through mainstreaming,
> Glenn will learn to cope with his, ah, deficits, and
> will master a few basic skills and who will know the
> difference? Why, if you just look at that photograph and
> imagine him in a maroon uniform with epaulets and a faux
> military hat, he could be the doorman in any NYC apartment
> building (and those fellas have a union, ya lyin fascist
> quisling).
>
> Give Glenn time. Don't execute him. Let him live.
>
> Better yet, let him live with Scott and Nasty in
> Augusta!
Road trip! I'm thinkin' maybe all the compassionate people
(like me and you) could start a little fund to charter a bus
from California to Oklahoma to South Dakota to Maine.
What did you call it? The Edmond Witch Project?
_
Rob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Subject: Re: What's the point
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 18 Apr 2001 14:13:19 -0500
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:01:17 GMT, Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Chad Everett wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:56:02 GMT, A Microsoft Employee wrote:
>> >
>> > [-- WinTroll rambling snipped --]
>
>Pretty typical response, calling the poster a troll instead of refuting
>his assertions.
>
>> ><SOAPBOX>
Some WinTroll messages are so obvious that it's pointless to waste
time refutting bogus made up installation horror stories. After
all, isn't that exactly what they're after?
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