Linux-Advocacy Digest #728, Volume #27 Mon, 17 Jul 00 04:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Hyman Rosen)
Re: which OS is best? (Ray Chason)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Joseph)
Re: Are Linux people illiterate? (Jim Broughton)
Re: I tried to install both W2K and Linux last night... (Ray Chason)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Craig Kelley)
Re: Microsoft (Osugi Sakae)
Re: Star Office to be open sourced (Craig Kelley)
Re: one step forward, two steps back.. (David M. Cook)
Re: I tried to install both W2K and Linux last night... (Mike Marion)
Re: linux, of course!! (David M. Cook)
Re: Some Windows weirdnesses... (V'rgo Vardja)
Re: linux, of course!! (V'rgo Vardja)
Re: apache_server config (Simon Reye)
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? ("KLH")
Re: linux:Unresolved symbol using 'insmod sg' (Guy Maskall)
NYC LOCAL: Monday 17 July 2000: Big Demonstration for Freedom and Property Rights
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From: Hyman Rosen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 05:14:40 GMT
Phillip Lord wrote:
> Wealth is created by production is what you are saying. Yes.
> But those with large amounts of capital get the benefits of this
> production, not the people who are responsible for that
> production. "To those who have, shall more be given".
Why are the people who supply capital for an enterprise any less
responsible for production than the people who bang the nails?
Why is granting the temporary use of one's body more noble than
granting the temporary use of one's money?
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From: Ray Chason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: 17 Jul 2000 04:37:06 GMT
salvador peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>BTW: I still get pissed when
>I'm at work on my windows machine and :wq doesn't save and exit.
http://www.vim.org/ is your friend. Be sure to get the 32-bit DOS version,
and not the Win32 version, if you're running Windows 9x. (Yes, it can
handle long filenames.) The Win32 version has some annoying bugs when used
with Win9x, but works fine with NT.
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PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
Delenda est Windoze
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From: Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:32:33 -0500
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
On Sun, 16 Jul 2000, JS/PL wrote:
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> You argue from an intentional position of ignorance. Its boring.
>
>No - a bunch of socialist personality types sitting around agreeing (and
>insisting) that government should steer the design of their software is
>boring.
You don't even understand what's happened well enough to complain
intelligently.
MS is being broken up so the government does not have to get involved with the
design of software.
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From: Jim Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Are Linux people illiterate?
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 01:30:43 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Ahh.. yet another linux user skirting the REAL issue by attacking my
> spelling.. Look PimpleDick..my post is not documentation therefore is
> not subject to scrutiny. The Linux Documentation Project on the other
> hand is representative of the operating system itself. THAT is the
> issue, not my spelling. If Document I cited is representative of the
> OS, then whoooo whoooo....no wonder it's so lame.
>
> Phhht.
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:10:08 GMT,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED], in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > brought forth the following words...:
> >
> > >A WHOLE bunch of typos at the Linux documentation project!
> > >
> > >
> > >From http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Firewall-HOWTO-5.html
> > >
> > >"The bilt in Linux firewall..."
> > >
> > >"...new firewall utility with more feachers"
> > >
> > >How is this for an incomplete sentence including typos!
> > >
> > >http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Firewall-HOWTO-6.html
> > >
> > >"Because most distributions don't dome with a kernel usefull to your
> > >perpose."
> > >
> > >Or this;
> > >
> > >"You need to turning off any unneeded services."
> > >
> > >"This script will count ever packet"
> > >
> > >And the printed book "Running Linux" (3rd Edition mind you) has
> typos..
> > >
> > >Check page 47, "If this is the cas, it should be explicity stated on
> > >the package"
> > >
> > >--- I mean really,, what a bunch of retards! You all spent so much
> time
> > >geeking that you never acquired spelling and grammar skills? Well..
> > >rest my case, the real world will ever take Linux seriously.
> > >
> > ^^^^^ Typo or misspelling?
> > Does this mean you are a retard? (By your own definition of course.)
> > >
> > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > >Before you buy.
> >
> > --
> > Jim Richardson
> > Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
> > WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
> > Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
> >
> >
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
Most of the people here have just about had enough of your
nitpicking. Why don't you just shut the FUCK up and do something
constructive for a change. Or is that beyond you? If you have a
problem with a document in the linux documentation project why not
just be constructive and EDIT the document in question and mail it
to the current maintainer. I am quite sure that he/she would be
delighted that someone took the time to find errors (spelling and
or grammatical). People who bitch, piss and moan and then do nothing
constructive are just basically LOSERS.
Jim Broughton
--
(The Amiga OS! Now there was an OS)
If Sense were common everyone would have it!
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From: Ray Chason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I tried to install both W2K and Linux last night...
Date: 17 Jul 2000 04:56:11 GMT
Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Tim Palmer wrohgut sick thymes ova sofa:
>
>> To get Active Derectary.
>
>Sough hit lucks liek hee hadtoe trye agen
>hand a gane, mey bee his nought finnish
>yet. Loo cout four wan moor tyme.
Speaking of Lookout, I think Timmy's 'puter has the "Clueless Wintroll
Posts Over And Over" virus.
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--------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
Delenda est Windoze
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 17 Jul 2000 00:19:47 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karl Knechtel) writes:
> : If you say "preemptive multitasking" to the average Win95 user, you'll
> : probably get a blank look. But J. Random User does know that when he
> : clicks on "Recalculate," and Excel throws up an hourglass, he can switch
> : to Word and type on a memo until Excel is done.
>
> : PMT in action.
>
> I can do this on my CMT Mac just fine (well no, *I* can't, because I don't
> use any M$ software. But that's beside the point).
Just don't try to print anything and then have your box immediately
respond; even on our new G4 (which is some seriously cool hardware,
BTW) the whole machine locks up for a few seconds when you print. Oh,
and what was that new feature in 9? You could actually use the
machine while it was copying files? :) Fun stuff.
> : To get this kind of responsiveness from CMT, you need to break up a CPU-
> : bound task. For a spreadsheet, that might mean recalculating some number
> : of cells, and then yielding the CPU. It sounds simple, but to do this,
> : you have to save your place. Also, the need to break up the task distorts
> : the flow of the code; another programmer will have a harder time figuring
> : out how it works. You get higher development costs, more bugs, and longer
> : time to market. It is unwise to make the developers' job harder than it
> : already is.
>
> To get that kind of responsiveness from PMT, you have to let the OS break
> up a CPU-bound task for you. It has to save your place and distort the flow
> of your code. I hardly see how that's different.
Oh boy.
> By "flow" of the code I mean CPU utilization over time. If you're talking
> about the structure of the source code itself, my understanding is that
> doing proper CMT on the Mac is a simple matter of making frequent calls to
> the YieldThread() Toolbox routine. I hardly see how that makes for a
> significant "distortion".
Wow. That's a solution? Just sprinkle your code with YieldThread()
calls? How many? How often? How much bloat does this add to your
code? To your system (hey! Maybe that's why OS9 takes up 30MB of RAM
-- oh, yeah there's no paged VM either, but that's another rant for
another day).
[snip]
> : You claim that an application that doesn't properly yield will "bomb in
> : the marketplace." If that's true for Mac applications, then it is user
> : demand for quality that has kept up the quality of Mac apps. PC users seem
> : to accept any old POS as long as it has the word "Microsoft" on the
> : package.
>
> I agree. How is that an argument in your favour? What's wrong with "user
> demand for quality"?
I think he was using your logic against you:
People only buy high quality => Microsoft Windows must be the best
> You still haven't established your claim that PMT is so largely responsible
> for Win95's improvement over Win 3.1. Have you ever actually had to *use*
> Windows 3.1? I have. Believe me, Win95 has a *lot* of advantages that have
> *nothing* to do with internal details like the multitasking system. (I can
> hardly believe I just defended Win95.)
Actually, there isn't much difference between protected mode Windows
3.1 (with win32s) and Windows 95; it's mostly cosmetic.
It's all explained in the excellent book "Unauthorized Windows 95"
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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Subject: Re: Microsoft
From: Osugi Sakae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:25:17 -0700
"greg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Gutenburg created the printing press.
>
>For what it's worth, the printing press had already existed for
some time
>when Gutenburg came along. Gutenburg's credit was for
inventing removable
>typeset, which eliminated the need to create plates from
scratch everytime
>someone wanted to create a new page. He actually improved on
an EXISTING
>concept, allowing a better, faster, and cheaper means of
duplicating printed
>materials.
>
>For what it's worth...
>
>Greg
>
>
Since we're already off topic...
Where did the printing press exist? I know that it was in use in
Asia and that someone (the Koreans I think) was using movable
type. Before Gutenberg.
But did the Europeans know about it? Had they only heard about
it, or had they seen working presses?
IIRC, Gutenberg is credited with:
using metal instead of wood for the letters - longer life,
better image on the paper, maybe lower cost,
improved inks for use in the press,
improved press - higher pressure gives a better image
and possibly a few other things. I honestly don't know what is
inventions were "better" than or "improved" versions of. Maybe
primitive presses in Europe or maybe Asian presses.
--
Osugi Sakae
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Star Office to be open sourced
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 17 Jul 2000 00:32:44 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil hunt) writes:
> I've just read a news article linked from Linux Today that Sun are
> thinking of open-sourcing Star Office under the GNU GPL.
>
> Does anyone have any speculation as to why they might do this? Apart
> from hurting MS, of course?
This is Sun we're talking about here.
What other motive do they have apart from hurting Microsoft?
None. McNealy and Ellison (Oracle) hate Microsoft more than the most
vehement Mac/Linux/Amiga cultist hybrid I know. The only reason they
did this is because Microsoft Office is an inpenetrable market.
Literally.
There is NO WAY anyone can compete. The featureset is done (and has
been done since Office 4 or 5) and everyone uses it because most sold
systems come with it anyway. It's basically a part of Windows that
everyone either pays for or pirates.
So, since Office only runs fully on Windows and partially on Macs --
(hey, where's the Linux version? There are more Linux machines than
Macs...) the only other solution is to give one away and hope that it
takes over.
It's the browser thing all over again. Microsoft Office will
eventually be "integrated" into Windows, so that people won't be
tempted to use something else -- but the Redmonians may as well milk
it for all they can up until that day.
Hell, how many people went out and got Office 2000, just because it's
the "new thing"? Can *anyone* name a must-have feature that demands
upgrading? (other than the file formats, that is...)
> The article is at
> <http://www.zdnet.com/sp/stories/news/0,4538,2604174,00.html>
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: one step forward, two steps back..
Date: 17 Jul 2000 06:41:20 GMT
On Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:11:17 -0400, MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>RH still insists that my external modem is missing on each boot, (when it's
>there),
Sounds like a kudzu bug. You can turn off kudzu if this is bothersome.
Which version of Red Hat do you have, BTW?
>sometimes the sound works, sometimes it doesn't. Half of what I
>installed is buried somewhere - not on the menus.
Yeah, a lot of pre-GNOME/KDE things will not show up on the menus.
>The default installs I
>think are a good idea. Trouble is, some of them leave you hanging with a
>useless setup or bomb out trying to deliver the latter, or won't let you
>setup things they didn't install very easily.
Could you be more specific?
Dave Cook
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I tried to install both W2K and Linux last night...
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 06:46:43 GMT
Tim Palmer wrote:
Ah.. I was starting to miss Tim's posts. They're so much fun to read. :)
> To get Active Derectary.
Blech.. AD Sucks big time! We compared it side by side to NDS and
iPlanet's LDAP server.. and ADS looked like shit.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
A yer ago I kudnt spel Sistum Admnistratur; now i R won.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: linux, of course!!
Date: 17 Jul 2000 06:49:28 GMT
On Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:32:43 -0400, Jim Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Come on take it for what it is an attempt
>(and a good one) at HUMOR. People in this
>NG take things just WAY to seriously.
> I on the other hand am still laughing.
If you have a method for telling some of the loonier anti-Linux stuff from
the satire, I'd like to know about it.
Dave Cook
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From: V'rgo Vardja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Some Windows weirdnesses...
Date: 17 Jul 2000 07:07:51 GMT
James wrote:
> Virgo,
>
> Why are you bothering to discuss a mickey-mouse OS like win95 in this NG.
> If you need stability use Win2k, or Linux (if you don't need serious desktop
> apps).
The only reason I have a double-boot system at work is so that I could
use that scanner I mentioned. And the only reason I need Windows to
use that scanner is the terrible SCSI card I couldn't get to work
properly under Linux (a Symbios 53C400A-based thingy that HP shipped
to accompany its 4p scanner)... If I had a decent SCSI card I wouldn't
need Windows at all.
Point being, I have everything I need under Linux.
Virgo
--
ERROR: CPU not detected. Emulating.
-Win2k
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From: V'rgo Vardja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux, of course!!
Date: 17 Jul 2000 07:16:29 GMT
Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
> This is a killer.
>
> 1. Linux is not an organization.
>
> 2. I have yet to see any case where "Linux killed someone"...
Windows?
[snip]
Virgo
--
ERROR: CPU not detected. Emulating.
-Win2k
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Simon Reye)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: apache_server config
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 07:22:45 GMT
On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:10:17 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Hello Everyone
>
>i recently installed redhat Linux 6.2 with squid and Apache server ver
>1.3.12.
>From windows Pc i am unable to connect to Apache web server ,it is not
>even showing "It worked". I am wetting error message "403 forbidden you
>dont have permission to access on this server.
>
>I am unable to get connectivity. can anyone help
>
>thanks in advance
>
This is a problem with RH6.2 installation. Somewhere in the config
file is:
<DIRECTORY ~>
...
...
</DICRECTORY>
where it should be
<DIRECTORY ~.ht>
...
...
</DICRECTORY>
Disclaimer: I'm just a newbie and I don't have the config file in
front of me so this is all from memory.
Basically what I think is the intention is that no one from the
outside world can edit .htaccess files but the mistake from Redhat in
effect locked all files.
Simon
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From: "KLH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:19:56 -0700
Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:4YKb5.7612$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Mike Marion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Drestin Black wrote:
> >
> > > I am not a big fan of C++, Java or PERL - that leaves quite a bit... I
> tend
> > > to favor VB (in it's variations) becuase it's easy, fast and
universally
> > > understood and available. And cause I have little time to code like I
> used
> > > to.
> >
> > Last I saw VB only existed for windows. That's _not_ universally
> > available.
>
> when I included variations I meant Basic in general. I've found a basic
> language or something very similar to it on most platforms, in scripts or
> proper languages
I have to say it but Microsoft makes the best versions of the BASIC
programming language. And mice.
> >
> > From the experience I've had with VB, it sucked. Perl is much more
> > powerful IMO (and I can use perl on almost every platform out there).
> More powerful? Perhaps. But is it as easy to use as VB? I use VB cause I
can
> crank out code in a hurry and with very little debugging and the tools and
> 3rd party support is fantastic.
>
How come I have this feeling that you would say the same about Click 'n
Play?
> >
> > "Universally understood?" Hah! There's no computing language (or any
> > written/spoken either) that's "universally" understood. If there were,
> > programs (and translaters for written/spoken) wouldn't be needed.
>
> show a programmer some VB code and I'll bet he can figure out what it's
> doing quickly and usually pretty close to accurately. Show a programmer
some
> C++ or Perl and not everyone one them could figure it out nearly as easily
> or quickly and perhaps not as accurately. THAT"S what I was getting at. I
> mean, be serious, whenever I see anyone writing "pseudocode" they
typically
> write it in a short-hand of BASIC. Gee, it sure is easy to get that
> "pseudocode" up and running in VB... I can tell you that from repeated
> experience. And, I can use full VB for this, or VBscript for WSH or ASP or
> VBA for controlling other MS products. My time invested in learning VB is
> tranferable from App to app to type of application and need to another. I
> use one language to get all the things I need done, from the lighest
weight
> to most anything out there. I'm not trying to represent VB as any ultimate
> anything - it's just that it's a perfectly valid tool IMHO.>
Well a screw driver is a valid tool as well, but I wouldn't shave with it.
VB is simply a shoddy language. It's only real upside is that nice IDE that
comes with it. Drag and Drop buttons and check boxes to all your windows and
much of you work is done. VB certainly has its niche, and that is to make
nice GUIs for databases and the like. But note that without the slick
interface to designing GUIs, VB would still be a horrible language. It might
as well be Visual DosBatchFiles for all the matter the actual language
makes.
I do think Visual Basic could be useful. (reconsidering last statement) But
I do think that it's usefullness is very limited.
Best Regards,
Kevin Holmes
"extrasolar"
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From: Guy Maskall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux:Unresolved symbol using 'insmod sg'
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:35:04 +0100
Alex Chudnovsky wrote:
> Carlos Villegas wrote:
>
> > My goal is to have the 'sg module' load automatically.
> >
> > As root I typed: 'insmod sg'
> > And I got this:
> > Using /lib/modules/2.2.14/scsi/sg.o
> > /lib/modules/2.2.14/scsi/sg.o: unresolved symbol
> > is_reg_chrdev
> >
> > How can I get the sg module to load automatically given the above
> > obsticle?
> >
> > --------------------------------------
> > -- Carlos Villegas
> > -- e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > --------------------------------------
> >
> > --
> > --------------------------------------
> > -- Carlos Villegas
> > -- e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > --------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>
> Try to use "modprobe sg" instead of "insmod sg" ( without the quotes).
>
> --
> Regards,
> Alex Chudnovsky
> e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ICQ : 35559910
I missed the earlier posts so sorry if this is redundant.
Are you able to load everything in order?
e.g.
/sbin/insmod scsi_mod
/sbin/insmod <host_adaptor>
/sbin/insmod sg ?
Perhaps there was a glitch when you compiled the new kernel and modules?
Guy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: NYC LOCAL: Monday 17 July 2000: Big Demonstration for Freedom and Property
Rights
Date: 17 Jul 2000 03:50:50 -0400
Sachems, grandmothers, and hackers of all ages have obtained a
New York City Official Media Event Permit to peacefully assemble for the
redress of wrongs.
Monday 17 July 2000
10:30 am to 5:00 pm
Court Yard of the Federal Court
500 Pearl Street
Why are we demonstrating?
Because the Motion Picture Association of America claims they have the
right to dictate what software runs on your computer in the privacy of your
own house. Precisely, the Motion Picture Association of America says that
it is illegal to use DeCSS, a free DVD movie player, to watch a movie on
your computer. Even if you bought and paid for all of the following:
1. the computer hardware
2. the computer software
3. the DVD disk
Indeed, the Motion Picture Association of America claims that if you
rendered sand to slightly impure silicon, wrote the program which compiles
to masks for your cpu, made the chip in your own factory, and assembled the
rest of the hardware out of parts which you bought and paid for, and then
wrote your own DVD movie viewer that runs on an OS coded by you, that you
have no right to use your system to view even a single DVD disk that you
own.
This is analogous to book publishers claiming that books can only be read
by light supplied by them, which light you must buy from a tight oligopoly,
at oligopoly prices.
The Free Software Movement and most of the rest of the world will put a
stop to such outrageous harassment of movie lovers. But without quick
action now, it may take us a few years to suppress the would be thugs of
the MPAA. We want the harassment to stop. And we will stop it as fast as
we can.
We need your help.
Come on down!
http://www.nylug.org
http://www.opendvd.org
http://www.2600.com
http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu
http://eon.law.harvard.edu/h2o/property/alternatives/nimmer.html
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0018/howe.shtml
http://www.nara.gov/exhall/charters/billrights/billmain.html
http://dadadada.net/~billy
http://www.columbia.edu/~mlc67
Jay Sulzberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Corresponding Secretary LXNY
LXNY is New York's Free Computing Organization.
http://www.lxny.org
This announcement may be freely redistributed as long as it reproduced
without change. Post at will!
<personal>
PS: I've got a movie I want to show you.
</personal>
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