Linux-Advocacy Digest #956, Volume #27 Tue, 25 Jul 00 15:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("John W. Stevens")
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary? (Tim Kelley)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: From a Grove of Birch Trees It Came... (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: From a Grove of Birch Trees It Came... (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("John W. Stevens")
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From: "John W. Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:35:42 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> If you say so. They're no IBM, but many have been in business for
> years and years and offer service IBM can only dream of. A customer
> can get and be speaking with a real human being (or the OWNER -
> imagine that!) within seconds after walking into the store - no
> voicemail hell here.
Oh, joy. Someone who doesn't realize that he isn't mainstream . . .
trying to make claims about the mainstream based on his experiences.
Sorry, DC, but you just don't understand that the average consumer is no
more going to seek out an patronize one of these little shops, than they
are going to seek out an patronize a consumer electronics repair shop.
(How many people here took their last VCR to a repair shop when it
broke? Raise your hands, please . . . Ok, how many of you just threw
the old one away, and bought a new one? Yup. That's what I thought).
> >>my house - and that's only the ones I know about. So, your argument
> >>has been disproved. :)
> >
> > No it hasn't.
>
> Yes, it has.
Jedi is right. So are you.
Yes, you can go to a small, local store and get exactly what you want.
But Jedi is right in pointing out just how small a segment of the market
those kind of people are.
You, me, Jedi . . . we might all be willing to put together our own
systems, or patronize a trusted "hole in the wall shop", but the average
consumer wants an information appliance, which is why the iMac sold so
very well ("Step three . . . there is no step three . . . imagine
that!").
Pre-built to run a specific OS, pre-installed with that specific OS,
pre-configured, and sold by a major retailer, preferably with all of the
basic applications they'll ever want to run, applications that are well
known by friends or family, and that are compatible with the
applications run by friends and family . . . that's what your average
computer buyer wants.
> That's a shame. Perhaps my hometown is a computer mecca. Nah; doubt
> it.
You're correct, your hometown is *not* a computer mecca. But you are
not the average computer buyer, either.
--
If I spoke for HP --- there probably wouldn't BE an HP!
John Stevens
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:32:28 -0400
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > Drestin Black wrote:
> > >
> > > "abraxas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:8ldh6g$2hk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Did you lie or were you lying?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > You're transferring, dresden. You are not a programmer, you are not
> > > > intelligent, you are utterly worthless in every sense.
> > >
> > > sigh...
> >
> > How many languages do you know BEYOND Visual Basic?
> >
> > I'm not even a programmer, and I know .. oh gee, I think 15 different
> > Programming Languages.
> >
>
> 15? So? dabler in many, master of none... typical.
This is what is known as being "Well educated."
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary?
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:47:13 -0500
Perry Pip wrote:
>
> On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:54:58 -0500,
> Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Perry Pip wrote:
> >> >And that makes me (and the above poster) a sociopath? Yeah, OK.
> >> >Whatever.
> >>
> >> Problem is more than half the country is sociopathic just like you and
> >> the other poster are. You don't want to take reponsibility. You just
> >> want to blame it all on someone else. The last thing you want to do is
> >> actually work with your fellow men and women to make a better world.
> >
> >I say government is fucked up, list my reasons, and it still makes me a
> >sociopath.
> Your specific criticisms don't make you a sociopath, Nathaniel. It's a
> persons attitude towards society that makes him/her a sociopath.
Society does not equal government. A revolutionary is not a
sociopath.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:33:21 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:37:07 -0400, JS/PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:28:12 -0400, JS/PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >$45 for an OS that retails for $200 isn't a bad offer. Hardly what one
> >> >might call....how you say...strong-arm monopolistic pricing.
> >>
> >> I would say that would depend on the context. What might be "just
> >> business in one context" could well be seen as "strong arm tactics" in
> >> another. If I sell you fire insurance, that's a business deal. If I
> >> send thugs carrying a can of gasoline to sell you fire insurance,
> >> that's strong-arming.
> >>
> >> It also depends on the terms of the deal. If the $45 price was offered
> >> in exchange for something else worth more than $200, then it isn't such
> >> a great deal after all.
> >>
> >> Would a deal of "$45 if you sell our products exclusively on all of
> >> your computers, $200 if you want to offer anything else on even one of
> >> them" be strong-arming? How about if the computer retails for only
> >> $1000 to begin with? How about if the MS sales guy lets you know that
> >> your competitor signed up for the $45 deal? How about if they offer
> >> you the $45 price for the exclusive deal, or $200 and removal from
> >> their logo and co-op advertising programs for the non-exclusive one?
> >> See, things are not just about the price.
> >>
> >> Nobody but MS could get away with this. I mean, if Be tried it they
> >> would be laughed off. The trial testimony is that MS did do such
> >> things. Which must mean their positon is maybe somewhat different than
> >> that of Be.
> >
> >Microsoft never did what you claim. Who's trial testimony are you referring
>
> This is pure, unadulterated bullshit.
>
> Those sorts of practices are originally what got Microsoft in
> trouble with the Department of Justice to begin with. An Exec
> from IBM also testified that they were indulging in those
> tactics recently as well.
And IBM should know...considering that they were in court for over 20
years for the same violations in the 60's and 70's.
>
> >to? That's just one of the myths that pro courtroom competition crowds like
> >to keep inventing.
>
> That is the only feeble excuse that you can come up with to counter
> the evidence disclosed. THIS sort of empty rhetoric doesn't serve
> as an adequate rebuttal in any real court.
>
> --
> Unless you've got the engineering process to match a DEC,
> you won't produce a VMS.
>
> You'll just end up with the likes of NT.
> |||
> / | \
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: From a Grove of Birch Trees It Came...
Date: 25 Jul 2000 18:51:39 GMT
On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 00:54:25 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>In this case, Clinton and Gore had FULL knowledge of it. How do we
>know? Simple. Gore absolutely REFUSES to deny any knowledge of it,
>lest he be charged with perjury. Thus he "forgets" what happened,
IOW, you have an entirely conjectural case.
>even though, when subpeonead by Congress, over 30 of the Chinese
>nationals have fled the country and/or taken the 5th Amendment
>privilege against self INCRIMINATION.
This doesn't in any way show that Gore or Clinton are guilty,
it is evidence that *someone* is guilty. In short, you don't know
whose arses those guys were covering. Again, your case is purely
conjectural.
>The "I forgot" routine didn't work for Nixon, and it isn't working
>this time, either.
Well we don't know this yet.
>Ken Starr's successor is drawing up felony indictments against
>Clinton to be served right after Clinton steps down from office
>(that way, there won't be any "you can't try me, I'm the president"
>nonsense). Probably Gore, too, if he loses the election.
Well we'll just have to see what happens in thse cases. Innocent until
proven guilty. Conjecturaly guilty is not the same as guilty.
>> For example, Saddam could donate money to a Saddam sympathiser in the
>> US on the understanding that the donation would be appropriately
>> "forwarded". If the person actually making the donation is a bona fide
>> US citizen, then it's all OK in your book though it's really not much
>> different to if saddam had given the money himself. All that's added
>> to the picture is a little indirection.
>
>Money laundering cases ARE grey.
Yes, they are. What are the republicans doing to clamp down on
money laundering ? They are doing their best to make money laundering
easy.
>If the US citizen can account for where the money came from, then
>it's legit. If he just so happens to recieve money from a foreign
>agency, and "contributes" a significant part of that money to a
>campaign, then there is reason to be suspicious.
OK, but what if the donation comes from a bogus non profit organisation
that accepts anonymous contributions ? This time, you have an extra
level of indirection.
>However, if there is FULL DISCLOSURE of both sides' donors, then
>such problems should be minimized.
"Full disclosure " is an ambiguous term when the indirections resulting
from contributions by organisations enter the picture. And the
republicans are not surprising us by tightening disclosure loopholes.
>The reason the press is so big on hyping limitations to citizen's
>campaign contributions is that gives THEM more power. And as we
Corporate and special interest group money is more of an issue
than a citizen's contributions. Proposed campaign finance reforms
are not primarily about limiting a citizens power.
--
Donovan
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:34:40 -0400
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> "abraxas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8lic8h$1n0v$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > >> Haven't worked with either. I saw HP Openview a few years ago (1995)
> > >> when it was in 30-day demo mode on some new machines. It's ok, but
> > >> all the info is available from pre-existing commands like netstat.
> > >
> > > HAHAHHAHA - you didn't spend hardly any time with it at all then did
> you!
> > > "netstat" -
> >
> > You actually dont know what netstat is, do you.
>
> Give me a fucking break child.
Then tell us the various types of information can be obtained from
the netstat command.
>
> >
> > HPOpenview may be an industry standard in some sense, but it is certianly
> not
> > the best tool for most jobs. It can be incredibly network intensive, and
> > requires a monstrous machine to run on on all but the most teeny of
> "serious"
> > networks.
> >
> monstrous machine to run? hahahahahahaHAHAHAHahhahahaahAHHaHh oh my god, I
> can't believe I keep replying to your fucking crap. I don't think you've
> even seen it beyond maybe an ad. pathetic
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: From a Grove of Birch Trees It Came...
Date: 25 Jul 2000 18:53:08 GMT
On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:34:14 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
>The only "election buying" is the Democrats and all of their "if you
>vote for me, I'll make sure the taxpayers write a BIG WELFARE CHECK
>for you....."
Insert the word "corporate" just after "big" and you have the
republicans in a nutshell.
--
Donovan
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:35:43 -0400
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> "abraxas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8lic8h$1n0v$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > >> Haven't worked with either. I saw HP Openview a few years ago (1995)
> > >> when it was in 30-day demo mode on some new machines. It's ok, but
> > >> all the info is available from pre-existing commands like netstat.
> > >
> > > HAHAHHAHA - you didn't spend hardly any time with it at all then did
> you!
> > > "netstat" -
> >
> > You actually dont know what netstat is, do you.
>
> Give me a fucking break child.
>
> >
> > HPOpenview may be an industry standard in some sense, but it is certianly
> not
> > the best tool for most jobs. It can be incredibly network intensive, and
> > requires a monstrous machine to run on on all but the most teeny of
> "serious"
> > networks.
> >
> monstrous machine to run? hahahahahahaHAHAHAHahhahahaahAHHaHh oh my god, I
> can't believe I keep replying to your fucking crap. I don't think you've
> even seen it beyond maybe an ad. pathetic
Open Glance is a resource hog. If I had HPOpenview running even just
during working hours, I would put an extra CPU in the machine.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:36:32 -0400
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > Drestin Black wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Said Aaron R. Kulkis in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > >1. It's EDS, not GM
> > > > > >2. That is the size of the Break / Fix team.
> > > > > > (First level and 2nd level help desk)
> > > > > >Application roll-out is about 5 people.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Now, there are *mentors* on some sites, to assist users who are
> > > > > >unfamiliar
> > > > > >with all of the inticacies of UG, for example, but that has nothing
> to
> > > > > >do with O/S nor Application failure, so they can be disregarded.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Similarly, there are a couple of on-site techs at each facility,
> but
> > > > > >they do little more than swap keyboards, mice, spaceballs,
> monitors,
> > > > > >and arrange for hardware support engineers from Sun, HP, etc. when
> > > > > >there are serious failures.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Care to put some money on this?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Considering that I worked at EDS quite recently, and was in the
> heart
> > > of
> > > > > >all these things, I *AM* an authority in this regard.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey, Aaron;
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm working with an EDS help desk now, similar to what you have
> > > > > experience with. I'm wondering if you ever worked with HP OpenView,
> or
> > > > > SunNet Manager, or any similar tools you might have used. It was
> always
> > > > > mostly phone calls and telnet, no?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Haven't worked with either. I saw HP Openview a few years ago (1995)
> > > > when it was in 30-day demo mode on some new machines. It's ok, but
> > > > all the info is available from pre-existing commands like netstat.
> > >
> > > HAHAHHAHA - you didn't spend hardly any time with it at all then did
> you!
> > > "netstat" - hahahaah - dude, you owe HP a huge appology. NOT to mention,
> do
> >
> > Obviously, Drestin the Dork is unaware of how much information tools
> > such
> > as netstat, sar, etc. give an administrator.
> >
> > Oh yeah, that's right. Drestin can't comprehend anything that isn't
> > drawn for him.
> >
> > > you consider software that is used on the scale Openview is intended for
> to
> > > be unchanged since 95? In this field? is this how EDS handles things?
> >
> > Why pay or EXPENSIVE tools like OpenView when the system diagnostic
> > tools provide ALL of the information you need, and in a format out of
> > which it is MUCH easier to extract data for report generation.
> >
> > OpenView is for those of limited expertise, such as yourself.
> >
>
> hahahaah spoken as the truely ignorant...
When I was a *NOVICE* admin, I thought OpenView was great.
Then I discovered how to use sar, netstat, etc.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:40:07 -0400
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> "abraxas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8lic4l$1n0v$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> > > If you knew anthing about RDBMs you would know the os makes no
> > >> > > difference on
> > >> > > the outcome, THe RDBM doesn`t really use the os.
> > >> >
> > >> > HAHAHA - excuse me? I think that you are completely misinformed. You
> are
> > >> > wrong. Totally. That's like saying: RDBM doesn't use files or memory.
> > >>
> > >> Actually, most high end DBMS systems circumvent the file system by
> > >> accessing the lowlevel block device directly. Also, they usually
> > >> allocate a huge amount of RAM and manage the memory internally.
> > >
> > > Does Oracle bypass the file system entirely? Does SQL Server?
> > >
> > > yes, they do manage their own memory but bypassing the OS and it's file
> > > system (and security)?? I do not believe that is true for DB2, Oracle
> >
> > Wrong, wrong,
> >
> > > or SQL
> > > Server -
> >
> > Correct.
> >
> > Though DB2 really is the only system you mentioned which is actually
> > worth mentioning.
> >
> > I find it odd that you would be interested in DB2 and anything else, let
> > alone DB2 and "SQL"...
> >
> > Oh thats right, you dont know anything about the way computers actually
> work.
> >
>
> keep trying - keep trying. unlike you I actually put facts and information
> in my posts - unlike you I actually use things I talk about. DB2 is OK,
> Oracle is crap and quite dated - but it has it's hangers on - 99% of them in
> the *nix world - no suprise.
Do you know how much it costs to develop a custom database application
such as what Oracle, Informix, etc. are used?
Plan on 2+ years, and a minimum of $10,000,000.
Given those types of figures, you don't just swap one database engine
for another on a whim.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "John W. Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:00:57 -0600
Christopher Smith wrote:
>
> The computer science definition of an "operating system" is moot in the
> consumer world.
That's absolutely, totally wrong. . . like saying the chemical
properties of iron are moot in the consumer world, such a statement
defies reality. Reality includes things like paint, undercoating and
specialized additives to motor oil.
> What 99.9% of the computer using population call an
> "operating system" is really an "operating system distribution".
Yep. But the difference between an operating system, and a distribution
built up around that OS very meaningful to the consumer world. They
just don't understand proper terminology, is all.
> The "logical conclusion", as you put it, was drawn the day an OS shipped
> with something other than a kernel.
Continuing to use the term "OS" improperly is not a good answer.
> Linux distros ship with multiple developer tools, web browsers, image
> editors, networking programs, office apps etc etc.
Yes. Distros . . . short for Linux distributions, not short for "The
Linux Operating System".
--
If I spoke for HP --- there probably wouldn't BE an HP!
John Stevens
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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