Linux-Advocacy Digest #956, Volume #32 Wed, 21 Mar 01 01:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism (.)
Re: Seeking Comparison of Solaris & Linux (J Sloan)
Re: Linux @ $19.95 per month (J Sloan)
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> (Charles Lyttle)
Re: Slackware 4.2 (peter)
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> (Charles Lyttle)
Re: Linux @ $19.95 per month ("Interconnect")
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Seeking Comparison of Solaris & Linux (Charles Lyttle)
Re: NT vs *nix performance (.)
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> (Alan)
Re: What is user friendly? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: User Friendly?? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: 21 Mar 2001 04:56:09 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "." wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > "." wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > "." wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> > "." wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Stephen S. Edwards II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>> >> >> >> > Shades <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > 8<SNIP>8
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > First of all, Aaron R. Kulkis is considered a
>> >> >> >> > blithering idiot by both COLA and COMNA
>> >> >> >> > participants. Secondly, if you think that
>> >> >> >> > there are no irrational, childish, idiotic
>> >> >> >> > NT advocates, then you might want to lurk
>> >> >> >> > about on some of the various IRC nets.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Actually, kulkis and chad meyers are almost exactly the same person.
>Substitute
>> >> >> >> "linux" for "windows" appropriately, and you absolutely cannot tell them
>> >> >> >> apart.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Wrong.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You appear to be the only one who thinks so, again, just like chad.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > I know what the fuck I'm talking about.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> With a few things yes, just like chad. But but your paranoid political
>philosophies
>> >> >> are IDENTICAL to chads.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > I have the university
>> >> >> > education
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So does chad, and so do I.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > AND the real-world experience to know what the fuck
>> >> >> > I'm talking about.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Chad says he does too.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Chad, on the other hand, spews Microsoft propaganda.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You spout the same paranoid conspiracy theorist crap.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > I wonder how much they pay him each month to post his propaganda.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ah, theres that paranoia again.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > And yes, Microsoft DOES pay people to post on this and other newsgroups.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Alright kulkis, ive asked you before and youve patently refused, but how bout
>> >> >> some absolute evidence of this statement?
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >> > You forget the discovery of the "astroturfing" campaign so quickly?
>> >>
>> >> > For those who don't get it...that was Microsoft's decision to start
>> >> > financing a campaign of paid correspondance to *LOOK LIKE* "grassroots"
>> >> > support.
>> >>
>> >> > fake grass => astroturf.
>> >>
>> >> Right, I remember that, but I also dont remember seeing ANY kind of evidence
>> >> that there were ever microsoft plants in COLA. I'm not saying that it hasnt
>>
>> > Got alzheimer's?
>>
>> Got a link? Thats all im really asking for. Lets say for the moment that I am
>> moderately retarded and have no capacity for retention at all.
> Then discussing anything with you is pointless, isn't it.
Now aaron, you're coming dangerously close to simply admitting that you have exactly
zero evidence to back up your claim. I'm ready to believe it, really I am, but
I do not believe that which I read simply because YOU type it.
Seriously, I really would like to see a link or SOMETHING.
=====.
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Seeking Comparison of Solaris & Linux
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 04:57:00 GMT
mlw wrote:
> From an OS point of view, Solaris is head and shoulders better than Linux, but
> Linux makes it up by running on cheap hardware. Linux is improving as time goes
> on, and while it is pretty good right now, make no mistake Solaris is a better
> kernel.
That's an interesting point of view.
I had solaris (SPARC) on the desktop for 18 months, and
I admin both Linux and Solaris - I'm just curious about
what makes you say Solaris is "head and shoulders"
above Linux.
Agreed, Solaris boxes stay up for many many months
of heavy service - but then again, so do Linux boxes.
I don't see any big performance gain for solaris, although
some will trot out the 64 processor e10k as an example
of solaris scalability - OK, Solaris scales well, but it's not
all that efficient. On simlar hardware, Linux will definitely
give a good account of itself against Solaris, especially
in daily tasks such as web serving, mail/dns serving, etc.
So, I guess what I'm asking, is "where's the beef"?
jjs
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux @ $19.95 per month
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:00:52 GMT
Jan Johanson wrote:
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > Windows Update is very free and clear. It's obvious what must be done.
> > > OTOH, Red Hat forces you into a pay scheme and offers a service that
> > > doesn't really count for all that much.
> >
> > The only difference is that Windows doesn't provide "daily patches".
>
> True - they like to perform regression testing before releasing their
> patches - no sleepless nights of untested beta code for me, thank you.
You tell a good story but it craps out under the light
of investigation. It turns out windows is pretty buggy
and crash prone, while Linux tends to run forever,
as do most unices.
BTW don't forget you can always download the updates
manually, free of charge.
jjs
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From: Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:03:52 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Charles Lyttle wrote:
>>SNIP<<
> Joseph Adams makes a good point in his post about trusting compilers.
> Quite true, in fact.
>
> > But even so, the fact that I have the source to Linux and other
> > commercial operating systems does not do me much good security wise. The
>
> Yes it does.
>
No, the fact that *I* have the source code to either Linux or NT doesn't
do me much good security wise. I, alone, cannot do a very good job of
finding every security hole.
> You find out what version the security experts run...and run the same thing.
>
The fact that they have the source code, and I can verify that they have
the same code as I have, does do me a lot of good. With MS, I can't do
that. With MS, I have no way of knowing if the version I have is the
same one the security experts looked at.
> Just because they didn't specifically enter into an agreement with you
> to inspect the code INDIVIDUALLY FOR YOU does not mean that they did
> not inspect it.
>
> The fact is, the code HAS been inspected by hundreds of people.
This is true for both MS and Linux. But the Linux people can talk about
it, while the MS people keep their mouth shut, either to protect their
paycheck or non-disclosure agreement.
>
> Anjd there are GREAT bragging rights in discovering a security hole,
> so there is a STRONG motivation to publicize a security hole when
> one has been found.
>
Discover (and fix) a security hole in Linux, and go down in history as a
hero. Discover a security hole in MS, get sued by MS for slander,
charged by the FBI as a terrorist, and sent to jail. Or, you could just
keep your mouth shut and rob banks. I think they caught another one just
today. Stole millions before he got greedy and tried to steal
$10,000,000 in one transaction -
<http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/svfront/013863.htm>. And they
say that there is security in obscurity and MS has no backdoor.
> >SNIP<<
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
>>SNIP<<
--
Russ Lyttle
"World Domination through Penguin Power"
The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
<http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
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From: peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Slackware 4.2
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 04:48:50 GMT
I think that's it, Slackware 96, and it was a 3 or 4 cd set. I bought
it at Microcenter in VA for $ 12.99 I think. I just can't find it
around my house...maybe one of my friends took it.
Oh well, thanks for the reply.
>I don't think there was a 4.2. There was a 3.9/4.0 series (2.0 and 2.2 kernel
>version), 7.0 (2.2 kernel and glibc2) and now 7.1.
>
>I think there was a Slackware distribution advertised as "Slackware 96", but
>its release date is unknown to me. It was probably some 3.x (for small x)
>release. 3.3 is the oldest release I can readily find at ftp.slackware.com,
>and it dates from 1997.
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From: Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:12:51 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Charles Lyttle wrote:
> >
> > Jan Johanson wrote:
> > >
> > > "Charles Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > "Norman D. Megill" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In article
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > > > GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > > > [snip]
> > > > > >> I would also bet that, if that is the case, that M$ is required to
> > > give
> > > > > >> the source to the Department of Defense in electronic form, AND give
> > > the
> > > > > >> military the right to modify the source code for their own internal
> > > use.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Yep, we do! When we purchased some VAXes we got source code,
> > > > > >schematics, the whole works. Same for microsoft stuff. Of course
> > > > > >agreements of non-disclosure and security protecting their proprietary
> > > > > >software were in place. After reviewing their source code all I can
> > > say
> > > > > >is that the mil. now calls it messy-dos!
> > > > >
> > > > > It is true that selected organizations can get Windows source code. But
> > > > > there is no way a few dozen or even a few hundred of the organization's
> > > > > programmers could do an adequate audit of the source code. There is
> > > > > simply too much source code. And what a waste; since the NDA prevents
> > > > > sharing, each organization must duplicate the effort of the others.
> > > > > Even Microsoft's entire body of programmers has demonstrated time and
> > > > > again that they allow serious security holes to slip through.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is no substitute for having thousands, possibly millions, of
> > > > > programmers around the world scrutinize open source code for security
> > > > > holes. Not even Microsoft's coffers can buy that kind of auditing.
> > > > >
> > > > > --Norm
> > > > And how do you verify that the code you got is the code that was used in
> > > > the build?
> > >
> > > Compile it - doh!
> > Did you mean "build" instead of "compile"? Do you understand the
> > difference?
>
> You know what I mean.
>
> > --
> > Russ Lyttle
> > "World Domination through Penguin Power"
> > The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
> > <http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
You're Jan Johanson?
I thought Jan was Chad (not Everett, the other one).
--
Russ Lyttle
"World Domination through Penguin Power"
The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
<http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
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From: "Interconnect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux @ $19.95 per month
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:22:02 +1100
Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:998l4l$aqa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Interconnect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:998kbb$t59$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > So a MS run site requires no administration? It just fixes itself with
> > *free* MS updates.
>
> You can set it up to do just so, yes.
So MSCE's get paid to drink coffee, and run the Auto Update, Auto Update
wizard???
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:17:19 GMT
"Jeffrey Siegal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Les Mikesell wrote:
> > There is no reason to associate the success of Linux with anything
> > in the GPL, particularly since Linus has made it clear that the
> > kernel can be extended through the module interface without
> > creating a derived work on the other side of the interface.
>
> No it can't, really. The COPYING file that comes with the kernel only
> clarifies that the GPL does not apply to user programs, and does not
> specifically mention modules:
There is nothing special about modules in this respect. They use
normal system calls.
> NOTE! This copyright does *not* cover user programs that use kernel
> services by normal system calls - this is merely considered normal use
> of the kernel, and does *not* fall under the heading of "derived work".
>
> As for modules, there has been a de facto exception made for only for
> *driver* modules which use the existing driver interfaces. Not too long
> ago there was a discussion on lk about this very issue and Linus made it
> clear that modules could *not* in general be used to circumvent the GPL
> as you suggest.
The one I read said that he couldn't apply the GPL to other's work for
moral reasons, which is refreshingly unusual from a GPL advocate. A
module that might have been adapted from another system like SCO
obviously isn't 'derived' from Linux.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Seeking Comparison of Solaris & Linux
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:18:58 GMT
Glenn Catlin wrote:
>
> Where I work we use Solaris in production, but we recently bought a Dell
> host with Red Hat Linux. One of our seasoned Solaris folk quickly
> turned her nose up after a couple of her first command-lines at the
> Linux host failed. I want Linux is succeed in my office, but I need a
> book or something to demonstrate the differences/similarities between
> the two flavors. Any suggestions? Thanks.
>
> - Glenn
> Philadelphia PA
> USA
Different shells? You can configure Linux so it is running the same
shell as on Solaris. Linux is better on cheap PCs, Solaris on Sun
hardware. All other things being equal, Solaris is better. But if you
are in a money crunch, Linux is almost as good and lots cheaper.
--
Russ Lyttle
"World Domination through Penguin Power"
The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
<http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.linux.sux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: 21 Mar 2001 05:26:07 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Oh my god, you are such a liar! Why a DHCP server would puke based on
>> how many nodes is so pathetically lame I can't believe you are making
>> such shit up. A single DHCP server for 10K nodes? God, someone teach
>> you something about networking - what an idiot.
> <SARC>
> Shit, it's a good thing you're here to point out .'s lies for us. I mean,
> most of us weren't present at his job when the stated events occurred, so
> it's damn lucky we have you here to contradict his story.
> </SARC>
> He never said what the cause of the crashes was, he never said the DHCP
> server (as in the software) couldn't handle the load, he just said it
> couldn't be used in their network, because it crashed too much.
Exactly. The specific reason was never found (though an army of MCSEs
tried their damnedest), and the official suspicion is that the crunch of
a little over 7K nodes being turned up at the same time choked it.
> From the
> text posted, it could have been because the machine had a piece of faulty
> hardware for all you know. Perhaps the guy you get to teach . about
> networks can also teach you about comprehension.
Indeed. A single DHCP machine for 10K nodes and higher is exceedingly common
in this age of enormous cable modem networks. Exactly how does jan think
these machines aquire their ips?
=====.
--
"The city's all wrapped up in plastic like an electronic cocoon;
if you lay in the street you can hear it humming"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:36:52 GMT
On 21 Mar 2001 03:43:31 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>The chief distinction of a diplomat is that he can say no in such
> a way that it sounds like yes
>Lester Pearson
>Canadian Prime Minister 1963-68
Diplomacy - The patriotic art of lying for ones country.
Ambrose Bierce
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:50:03 -0500
Craig Oshima wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
> > Craig Oshima wrote:
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Most users (including hackers) do not use hundreds of other
> programs. A
> > > > > dozen is probably more than most people ever use. However, the fact
> > > that
> > > > > the average cost of any given commercial application is 100 USD or
> more
> > > is a
> > > > > good reason to cheer on Linux.
> > > >
> > > > Regardless...
> > > >
> > > > A Linux user has a FULLY FUNCTIONAL system within 1 hour of booting
> > > > the installation disk.
> > > >
> > > > For a Windows user, getting even basic functionality takes close
> > > > to a DAY.
> > >
> > > I sure don't know where you get your information...it doesn't take more
> than
> > > an hour for me to do a clean install of W2K and Office.
> >
> > And all of your other software is .... where.....exactly?
> >
> > DOH!
>
> For normal users, that's probably more than they need. It certainly at
> least meets what I would call "basic functionality." I grant that it's
> another hour or so for me to continue adding development tools, MSDN,
> various Adobe applications and some miscellaneous utilities. I don't
> imagine you're happy with just the basic Linux install?
A "basic Linux install" includes over 1,000 applications.
Now...what the fuck was your point again, ignorant moron with
a head full of shit...
>
> --
> Craig Oshima
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: User Friendly??
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:51:18 -0500
Paolo Ciambotti wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Wrong.
> >
> > All that's needed is for shit-head middle managers to boot Microsoft and
> > their maggot-infested pile of dung out the door.
>
> So what you're saying is we need shit-head middle managers with a clue?
> That would be what you call an oxymoron, right? My current CIO does not
true.
> know the difference between an operating system and an application
Fire his ass.
> program. All he knows is that MSFT marketing can get him his choice of
> tee time and buy him lunch afterward, and Redhat doesn't.
I suggest putting a bomb in his golf bag.
Alternatively, page him on the golf course with messages about
how the Microsoft shit is crashing and burning.
Heheheheheh
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:56:14 -0500
Scott Gardner wrote:
>
> On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:49:22 GMT, "Chad Myers"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <3ab61681$0$44575$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jon Johanson"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> <snip some some stuff>
> >> >
> >> > At least they can hit something - unlike the rest of the world's
> >> > military.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> Hmm,
> >>
> >> One example: the Dutch Royal Marine Corps. One of the toughest bunch of
> >> bastards you've ever seen. Served with distinction in Cambodia, Beirut
> >> and Bosnia (after our braindead politicians realized that that is no
> >> place for lightly armed, unsupported troops).
> >> And this is only a small example, I think a lot of Europeans can think 2
> >> or 3 more for their own homelands.
> >> Please refrain from making unsupported and unsupportable claims, you'll
> >> only make yourself look foolish.
> >
> >But, when it comes down to it, when something needs to get done in the
> >world, only the Americans can seem to get it done.
> >
> >-c
>
> Well, size does have a lot to do with it. The Isrealis have some fine
> fighter pilots, by anyone's standards. Even the Croatian pilots can
> fly the hell out of their old MiG-21's, but could either of these
> forces pull off a large campaign on the scale that the US has done in
> the past? Probably not. Along the same lines, think of the Navy
> SEALS. Very capable warriors, but could you win an entire war using
> SEALS alone? Again, probably not. The US gets tasked for a lot of
> assignments because we have the technology and sheer manpower, along
> with the skills, to get the job done.
>
Not only that...but being a nation of immigrants, we have personnel
who can infiltrate nearly ANY community on the face of the earth.
Usually with recent expatriates.
> Scott
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