Linux-Advocacy Digest #956, Volume #25 Wed, 5 Apr 00 04:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why Linux on the desktop? (Jim Richardson)
Re: Why Linux on the desktop? (Jim Richardson)
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters. (Terry
Porter)
Re: Guilty, 'til proven guilty ("Jeffrey B. Siegal")
Re: BOOKS ON LINUX ? (Daniel Ng)
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS (Bob Lyday)
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
(Terry Porter)
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
("fmc")
Re: BEOS 5 the new star in OS's (Sascha Bohnenkamp)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: Why Linux on the desktop?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 05:31:46 GMT
On 5 Apr 2000 04:12:28 GMT,
abraxas, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>Jim Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> since there are at least 2 C interpreters, (EIC and another one the name
>> of which escapes me) and compilers for python (the byte code compiler built
>> into the interpreter for one.) and for tcl.
>
>Simply compiling a script to binary does not make the original script
>a *program*, and thus writing it is not by nessesity *programming*.
>
Now you are talking about executable, rather than program.
A program, is an instruction set for a computer, whether you toggle it
through the front panel switches, or type it on the keyboard of you C-64.
If it has conditional branches, and some form of data storage, it's turing
complete as well.
If you think that (for example) Python is not a programming language because
it is a scripting language, then please give me your definition of what
constitutes a programming language.
>Can I call this a program:
>
>ssh -l foo -c blowfish -C -p 31337 -q -x foo.bar
>
>if I make it a tcsh script and compile it?
>
well, does it include conditional branches? does it include some sort of
data storage? if not, no. (well, you can call it what you want. but calling
a frog a car won't get you to work on time. )
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: Why Linux on the desktop?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 05:33:45 GMT
On 5 Apr 2000 04:13:55 GMT,
abraxas, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>Jim Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> dang, I am tired, didn't finish the post, yawn anyway, since there are
>> compilers for some interpreted languages, and interpreters for some compiled
>> languages, do you believe (eg) Python is not a programming language? if
>> so, could you describe what feature python lacks, thus striking it from
>> the roll-call of "programming languages"?
>
>Python (and most ive discussed this with agree) is a controversial beast.
>
>It seems to be a scripting language that acts just like a programming
>language.
>
>And thats if you DONT embedd C.
>
So are you saying that the sole criteria for something to be a programming
language is that it runs through a compliler rather than an interpreter?
If that's the case, then even with that weird def, python passes, as the
python VM (virtual machine) compiles the code into a byte-compiled .pyc file
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 5 Apr 2000 13:39:04 +0800
On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 05:07:24 GMT,
Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Terry Porter would say:
>>On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 16:07:54 GMT, fmc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>I also can't manage my bank accounts online. That requires
>>>either Windows or Mac.
>>Not for long.
>
>Ah, so you've volunteered to build an OFX client for CBB or GnuCash?
No I have not.
Nor would I, let the banks fund this, we as their *clients* should demand it.
>
>Which language are you planning to use? Tcl? Perl? C? Or Guile?
None of them please see above.
My comment was based on the fact that things will change. Even e commerce
is in its infantile days.
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: "Jeffrey B. Siegal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Guilty, 'til proven guilty
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 22:40:45 -0700
Merrill Lynch wrote:
> An intersting wrangle is I *believe* the VAST majority of MS profit is NOT
> from the OS.
Completely false.
Arguably the majority of their profit (the way they choose to slice it
anyway) is not from their OS (they call it platform) products, but it is
far from a "VAST" majority.
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From: Daniel Ng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.alpha,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: BOOKS ON LINUX ?
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 23:08:06 -0700
I believe that the howtos and linux documentation projects are more
useful than most
published books. Besides, some books are just collections of howtos.
Luca Marchese wrote:
> ALL THE BOOKS ON LINUX IN THE WORLD ARE HERE
>
> SCIENTIFIC PUBLISHERS GUIDE
>
> http://scientificpublishers.virtualave.net
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Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 22:45:26 -0700
From: Bob Lyday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS
Terry Porter wrote:
>
> On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 00:23:52 GMT,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On 04 Apr 2000 23:51:37 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Damien) wrote:
> > >
> You've sunk to new (low) levels of Wintrollism "Heather/Steve",
>
> Do you know the difference between on line banking, home financial software
> and tax software "Heather/Steve" ?
>>>
> Uhhhhhhhh, why does "Steve" call himself "Heather"?????????????? Um, does he have
>some, uh, "issues"? Wanna talk about it, Steve? C'mon, get it off your
>chest...we're *real* warm and sympathetic, here. Didn't you notice?
--
Bob
"There are no significant bugs in our released software that any
significant number of users want fixed," Bill Gates, in an
interview with Focus magazine, Oct 23, 1995.
Remove ".diespammersdie" to reply.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS
supporters.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 5 Apr 2000 14:40:17 +0800
On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:38:16 -0400,
Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Don't make me laugh. My $69.00 Canon scanner came with enough "free"
>> software to blow the doors off anything Linux has, including Gimp.
>> Not to mention it worked perfectly out of the box.
>> The wizards did everything from configuring to prompting me through
>> making my first scan.
>>
>> Worked like a charm right out of the box and no overpriced SCSI
>> needed.
>>
>> Sane?
>>
>> Should be called insane...What a joke.....
>>
>> Linux misses the boat again. When will you people understand that
>> setup.exe is your friend?
>>
>> In this case all I did was pop the CD in and away it went.
>>
>> Steve
>
>Don't make me laugh. I have the same exact Cannon printer/scanner as you with the
>same
>Cannon software. It is a piece of crap, Control buttons for one screen overlay
>parts of
>the next screen - they don't know how to update the windows properly. And other then
>the
>c:/aux/aux trick, the most likely way to crash windows is running Cannon Creative.
>Half
>the time it decides to eject the paper early and then goes into crazy mode where it
>only
>prints a fraction of an inch per page and then ejects again.
>
>Gary
>
>
Oh dear, "Heather/Steve/Amy" the WinTroll just got blown out of the water
again.
As usual, it only takes someone with the *real* facts, to show everyone
what a WinTroll "Heather/Steve/Amy" really is.
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: "fmc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 06:49:04 GMT
"Jeremy Crabtree" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> fmc allegedly wrote:
> >
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On 04 Apr 2000 23:51:37 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Damien) wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:57:04 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
> >> >Leonard F. Agius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >| > Most people have some requirements that go beyond the standard
> >> >| > WP/Spreadsheet/Browser. I need a financial app like Quicken or
MS
> >> >| > Money, a tax preparation program like TurboTax, TaxCut, or
TaxSaver,
> >> >| > and project management software like MS Project or
CA-SuperProject.
> >> >| > These don't exist for Linux. I also can't manage my bank accounts
> >> >| > online. That requires either Windows or Mac.
> >> >
> >> >Finace management and tax preparation
> >> >http://freshmeat.net/appindex/x11/financial.html
> >> >
> >> >My bank allows me to use any browser capable of SSL.
> >>
> >> You're joking right?
> >>
> >
> >FRESH MEAT??? ROTFL. That sure has that stable financial aura.
>
> So, you're admitting to us that you didn't even bother to check out the
URL?
>
> Apparently you didn't get that Freshmeat.net is a rough Linux equivalent
to
> download.com or shareware.com
OF course I checked out the URL. That's how I knew there was no 99 version
of PTax. I just though the name was funny. I can imagine the looks I'd get
if I told anyone I worked with to get their financial software at Fresh
meat. That's a term some brokers use to refer to naive customers.
>
>
> >
> >> You are comparing a collection of checkbook balancing programs to
> >> QuickBooks ?
> >>
> >> Oh, I really like PTax98. "Computes MOST of the 1998 Federal 1040EZ?
> >>
> >> I'll bet the IRS is real interested in the part it doesn't compute.
> >
> >At least you get to deduct the COST of the software. And the 1999
version
> >should be out any day now.
>
> Have you considered using a pencil and paper, and possibly a caluculator?
> They're compatile with any OS you can possibly name...
It's really VERY complex, it takes forever, and most accountants can't do it
without consistently making mistakes, That's why tax software is so popular
that even accounting firms use it. I used one to check my 96 return against
what an accountant charged me $400 to do, and it produced exactly the same
return. I've been doing it myself ever since. This year I picked up
TurboTax AND MS TaxSaver (cost $20, free after $20 rebate). I'll use
TurboTax to do the actual filing, but TaxSaver has a great help section with
access to an online copy of J.K. Lasser's Your Income Tax 2000. It helps
you save on next year's taxes by planning for them starting now. That's how
I was able to buy this computer.
Who still does these things on paper? Let the computer do the things it's
good at. I only use a pencil to do crossword puzzles.
>
> >>
> >> I'll be sure to watch for the 2000 update so I can switch from
> >> TaxCut...
> >>
> >> What a joke....
>
> The biggest joke is the blind hatred andrhetoric /YOU/ keep spewing out.
You
> could AT THE VERY LEAST ///TRY/// the software BEFORE you call is "crap"
or
Who are you talking to anyway? I didn't write that. As far as trying
PTax98 is concerned, that was only good for LAST YEAR. There's no PTax99 to
be found, at least at that site. That's the joke.
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From: Sascha Bohnenkamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: BEOS 5 the new star in OS's
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 08:58:23 +0200
> I'd imagine that a BeOS equivalent of LinDVD or Xmovie would
> illustrate the point quite nicely. You could just feed both
> VOB files and note the framerates.
fine
which are the BeOS equivalent ?
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