Linux-Advocacy Digest #312, Volume #28 Tue, 8 Aug 00 17:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Paging BIG DON ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Mike Marion)
Re: Linux or Windows 2000 ???? (Mike Marion)
Re: Windows ME $59.99..Good Bye Linux. .Thanks for the fish..... (Mike Marion)
Re: Windows ME $59.99..Good Bye Linux. .Thanks for the fish..... (Mike Marion)
Re: Paging BIG DON (Loren Petrich)
Re: Watch them squirm and slither
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Jacques Guy)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Chris Wenham)
Re: Windows ME $59.99..Good Bye Linux. .Thanks for the fish..... (Mike Marion)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Steve/Mike Gets A Sex Change -- And His 36th Fake Name (was: Why Linux will
crash and burn.....
Re: Steve/Mike Gets A Sex Change -- And His 36th Fake Name (was: Why Linux
will crash and burn.....
Which newsreader is used by who more? [was: can Linux use be so low? I do not
believe it. web traffic. ("Dan Jacobson")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (T. Max Devlin)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,soc.culture.african.american,sci.anthropology
Subject: Re: Paging BIG DON
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 16:02:46 -0400
Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> >> But why boycott *all* American women?
> >Because they ALL are being raised within a psychological toxic
> >waste dump of a culture which is filled with radical militan
> >feminist dehumanizing attacks on men ("all men are pigs"), blanket
> >accusations of felonious behavior ("all men are rapists"), gross
> >mischaracterizations of male-female ralations ("All sex is rape")
> >and other sortts of "no matter what you do, girl, all of your
> >problems can rightly be blamed on some man" messages, which
> >promotes irresponsibility and blame-shifting.
>
> Evidence for such sweeping claims? {}
Simple observation of what is happening all around me,
no matter what part of the country I happen to be in.
>
> >> That's because of you right-wingers and your inistence on
> >> pinching pennies no matter what the cost of doing so.
> >f you pay an able-bodied person to sit around and do nothing,
> >you *cannot* fund it at anywhere close to what they would be
> >making if they were working. Other wise, you merely encourage
> >more people to change their job to "professional welfare recipient"
>
> I was describing the welfare bureaucracy, which has a whole lot
> of work imposed on it in the name of preventing cheating and stuff like that.
It really doesn't matter what the reason is, the costs are
excessively high for a program which aggravates the situation.
>
> >> >> >> >That's because the Communists are engaged in a specific campaign
> >> >> >> >to NEUTER the United States through internal collapse. ...
> >> >> >> From a grove of birch trees it came...
> >> I've yet to see any ***DIRECT*** evidence of such a conspiracy.
> >The proof is the events unfolding before your very eyes, moron.
>
> Not proof at all, because otherwise the Commies would have gotten
> exposed by now.
They have been. However, you refuse to accept the very documents
that expose the charade. Catch-22 makes a good book, but hardly the
way to run your life....MORON.
>
> >> Let's face it, one could easily "prove" that Red Hat is the
> >> Hutchinson Whampoa of software, a Communist front that is trying to
> >> sabotage software-for-pay by giving away competing software.
> >Making silly arguments is not victory.
>
> It's no more absurd than *your* theories, buster.
which has the more validity
A) A point of view based on "huh??? I don't see it", failure
to comprehend, and general befuddlement.
B) A point of view based on the opinions and observations who
have the relevant information, experience, and knowledge,
documented through numerous written sources, and memos
smuggled out Moscow.
> --
> Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
> My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:05:58 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> -rwsrwsrwx 1 root other 0 Aug 7 20:22 foofile
> ^ ^
> ^--^--------- "setuid bit" (Execute permission with setuid set)
I might be nit picking a tad too much... but
-rwsrwsrwx 1 root other 0 Aug 7 20:22 foofile
^
^
--- that's the setgid bit.. not setuid.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
If you were building The Matrix: NT or Unix? I thought so :)
--another /.-er
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux or Windows 2000 ????
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:11:19 GMT
Aaron Ginn wrote:
> I'm typing this on a Sparc Ultra 60 with 2GB of RAM and three CPUs.
I too work with, and am fond of Ultra 60s.. they are great machines.
However, they can only have 2 CPUs installed... not 3.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
Lisa: "As you know, we've been swimming. And we've developed a taste for
it. We
agree that getting our own pool is the way to go. Now before you
respond, you should know that your refusal will result in months and
months of..."
Bart, Lisa: "CanwehaveapoolDad? CanwehaveapoolDad? CanwehaveapoolDad?
CanwehaveapoolDad? CanwehaveapoolDad?"
Homer: "I understand. Let us celebrate our agreement with the adding of
chocolate to milk." -- Simpsons
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows ME $59.99..Good Bye Linux. .Thanks for the fish.....
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:19:36 GMT
"Mark S. Bilk" wrote:
> The latest versions of SuSE, Caldera, and Red Hat Linux
> are sold in Costco stores for about $30. And those
> include 1,000 or more application programs, whereas
> MS-Windows gives you only the bare OS and a web browser.
Ah, but you forgot those extremely helpful apps like notepad (can't open
large files), MSPaint (useless for anything), Sound Recorder (useless
for extrememly large sound captures, etc.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
"Nasdaq crashed this week... guess it must've been running on Windows
2000.
You know Bill Gates lost 12 Billion Doll.. oops, he just made it back."
-- Dennis Miller Live 4/7/2000
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows ME $59.99..Good Bye Linux. .Thanks for the fish.....
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:20:37 GMT
A transfinite number of monkeys wrote:
> : Livewire?
>
> Livewire is a tired old application server that was part of the Netscape
> Commerce Server. It's essentially a "compiled" server-side JavaScript
Actually the Livewire being discussed is the name of the driver/software
suite for the SBLive cards for Windows.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
If Microsoft made cars instead of software, the seats would force
everyone
to have the same size butt.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich)
Crossposted-To:
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,soc.culture.african.american,sci.anthropology
Subject: Re: Paging BIG DON
Date: 8 Aug 2000 20:20:48 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Loren Petrich wrote:
[Mr. Kulkis on the depravity of American women...]
>> Evidence for such sweeping claims? {}
>Simple observation of what is happening all around me,
>no matter what part of the country I happen to be in.
Are you sure it's not your personality?
And better watch out for those Russian women you love so much --
they may be trying to hitch a ride on some wonderfully gullible American
so they can immigrate into the US.
My sister had once gone to Sarajevo, and someone tried to
introduce her to some nice young man, but she suspected that this was the
same sort of immigration scam.
>> I was describing the welfare bureaucracy, which has a whole lot
>> of work imposed on it in the name of preventing cheating and stuff like that.
>It really doesn't matter what the reason is, the costs are
>excessively high for a program which aggravates the situation.
This is a very politically-correct opinion; I note that because
military procurement suffers from similar problems -- and goes totally
uncriticized in any serious detail.
>> Not proof at all, because otherwise the Commies would have gotten
>> exposed by now.
>They have been. ...
Where are the documents describing the efforts of Communists to
subvert this public school or that?
>> >> Let's face it, one could easily "prove" that Red Hat is the
>> >> Hutchinson Whampoa of software, a Communist front that is trying to
>> >> sabotage software-for-pay by giving away competing software.
>> >Making silly arguments is not victory.
>> It's no more absurd than *your* theories, buster.
>A) A point of view based on "huh??? I don't see it", failure
>to comprehend, and general befuddlement.
>B) A point of view based on the opinions and observations who
>have the relevant information, experience, and knowledge,
>documented through numerous written sources, and memos
>smuggled out Moscow.
Mr. Kulkis clearly wants answer B, but his viewpoints do not fit
B very well.
--
Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Watch them squirm and slither
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:20:39 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Typical Linoasshole reaction.....
> Just like cockroaches.
>
> The roaches can deny all they want but the truth is obvious.....
Stop degrading youself, you are not a cockroach. You are doing a little
better though, at least you realize that you are denying the obvious truth.
> LINUX CANNOT GAIN DESKTOP MARKET SHARE EVEN WHEN IT IS GIVEN AWAY!!!!
One question, how do you measure the market share of an OS that is given
away for free when there is no central authority that contols and monitors
its distribution. Any count you can come up with is only the minimun
penetration of Linux into "the market". The real penetration is just
anyone's guess above the minimun.
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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:30:59 +0000
From: Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
> For those that are offended by my attitude, just think before replying.
> I'm saying we can do better than Windows if we are going for ease of
> use. Why do we want to copy Windows? Why not do it 'our own way' as
> Linux as thus far? I don't understand the need to make Linux like
> Windows.
Human factors, the force of habit. It's only the user interface, you
know, not the engine.
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
From: Chris Wenham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:32:25 GMT
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Are you saying that a buyer wouldn't *want* to know, or that they would
> be willing to not know if they were in fact able to base their
> assessment of the quality of support for the software products they
> intend to purchase on its reputation, length of service, and other
> general attributes?
Can you re-phrase that question?
> I would suggest that whether a buyer "has" to know something is up to
> the buyer, and we haven't the duty or the power to second-guess them.
That's academic to the point. Maybe a buyer will make better choices
if he researches every facet of a product first, but most have
different priorities.
It's not the software or computer vendor's problem to educate the
customer. It's their problem to give their customers what they think
they want.
> That depends on if your perspective is the guy getting bilked with
> shoddy goods or the guy trying to bilk him.
That perspective is also academic to the point.
I remember that this thread was about the viability of Linux being
sold to the "Kitchentop" market.
We could do this by massively educating the constituents of this
market until they See The Light (tm) and call VA Research.
Or we could do this the way the thread has been suggesting: by
cloning Windows benefits to the point where a Windows and a Linux
computer put side to side are no different than flavors with
different buttons and knobs to the buyer.
If the seller rips the guy off, then that's a tragedy and maybe the
seller will eventually go out of business when word gets around.
But I think that the "Kitchentop" market has very high
tollerances. They can put up with a lot of shit and it won't bother
them. This is usually because their priorities are different than we
think; they're keeping up with the Joneses, they've bought into the
vision of the TV commercials, they want to be associated with the
brand and so-on.
Technical support is a feature that isn't used every day the way
Quicken's reconciliation or graphing features are. If the technical
support session consists of an hour on hold followed by helping the
user install the right version of the DLL, they don't care. They
don't care because they've completely accepted the idea that it's a
necessary evil and that Everything Will Be Okay after the call is
over. They don't believe they will always have the exception that the
technicians are too incompetent to fix. They don't believe they will
use tech support every day or every week.
When something breaks, the highest priority on the mind of the user
is to get it fixed. Even a surly technician and two hours on hold
pales in comparison to the percieved loss of value when the program
won't run or the service doesn't work.
I know this because of direct contact with typical examples of this
market's constituents. I answer tech support. I know what people put
up with and where their priorities lie.
So debating the quality of the tech support line itself is academic
because the buyer's perception leaves room only for a binary
evaluation: If it has tech support, it's considered. If it doesn't
have tech support, it's absolutely not considered.
Quality never enters into it.
For products or computers to be sold without tech support, there must
be a very significant change in the market's perception. Remember
that the market discussed is the "Kitchentop" - people who watch TV
and buy Oreo cookies.
Right now their perception is that you need support for mechanical
things. This comes from their experiences buying everything from cars
to washing machines: if there's no phone number, there's no sale.
> But the products are never identical to begin with, and the support
> line isn't supposed to be an empty marketing promise, but a service
> which provides value for cost to the consumer.
So? Maybe the support line is actually really good for Product
X. It still doesn't matter.
Millions walk into computer stores intending to come out with _A_
computer. They make a decision /in the store/. And even for those who
try to do some basic research first, an infintesimal number will
actually learn enough about the bundled software's support line for
it to actually reverse their decision.
The exceptions, which always exist, are not enough to change the
software development trend of writing for Windows, or bundling Linux
with new PCs at the same bulk and penetration that Windows is.
Regards,
Chris Wenham
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows ME $59.99..Good Bye Linux. .Thanks for the fish.....
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:35:16 GMT
MH wrote:
> More BS. You can't have it both ways. On the one hand your ilk bitches and
> moans about all the things windows includes..browser, applets, et.,
> Now you want to say it only has the browser. At least it has a browser.
Netscape is more stable for me under Solaris then IE is under windows
(98, nt4, 2k). It does all I need, and I prefer it's layout/style of
IE.
> Anyone who calls NN a decent browser has never used one. Some guy further up
> the chain here claims all he needs is NN's mail client for his mail needs.
> Great, load 15 + mb's of slop to read & write mail. Sheesh.
As opposed to the monstrocity known as Outlook? Jesus... at least
Netscape is one binary which is about 45Meg when I have 4 or 5 browsers,
and a mail/news window open. If I do that with IE and outlook, it's
about twice that size.
> Windows ME, and for the most part 98 has many applets and games. Everyone
But it doesn't come with any... that was his point. You have to go out
and spend $100's (or even $1000's) more to get the same functionality
that you can get for free with Linux.
> prefer the usual COLA rant. BS disguised as facts. ? The bigger the lie the
> more likely it is to be believed, right?
You just figured out MS' whole marketing stragety. Lie loud enough,
with enough glitz, and gloss over the facts, and you too can get control
of the desktop market. Unfortunately, enough people saw through this,
and that's why the court cases here, and now starting in the EU courts.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
In the back of the room are four Apple ][e computers. Apple ][e ... my
God. How
can our educational system be this neglected? What a geek I am to be
fretting
over the lack of computing power available to the students. Kids smoking
crack?
It's only drugs. Teenage pregnancy? The responsibility of a newborn will
add
character. 6502 CPUs with 64K of RAM, daisychained to a single
low-density 5
1/4" floppy drive? Great Scott! Are we not barbarians for stranding our
future
generations on a precarious foundation strung together with 8-bit
processors
and low-resolution graphics? -> Ad Nauseam - "Speed geek"
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 16:36:15 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said John W. Stevens in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
[...]
>Web Server? It's on your home box. Mail Transfer Agent? It's on your
>home box.
>
>Etc.
Careful, man, you'll scare the Mickeys away from the market.
[...]
--
T. Max Devlin
Manager of Research & Educational Services
Managed Services
ELTRAX Technology Services Group
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-[Opinions expressed are my own; everyone else, including
my employer, has to pay for them, subject to
applicable licensing agreement]-
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======= Over 80,000 Newsgroups = 16 Different Servers! ======
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 16:42:06 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Bob Hauck in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 15:31:41 -0600, John W. Stevens
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Companies such as those that sell "Internet-wide accessible file
>>storage" services would go out of business in a year, if everybody had a
>>Linux box attached to an always-on network.
>
>I don't think that this is the case. I am more than willing to pay
>$9.95 a month to someone in order to have _them_ keep up with the
>latest security patches, while I live a comfortable worry-free life
>beind a firewall.
>
>I've administered public Internet servers, and I've had enough fun for
>now, thanks.
I think John was actually referring to "private" Internet servers, but I
could be wrong. Let the Linux firewall box worry about the security
patches; an Internet-wide accessible file system is not necessarily a
publicly available file system.
John's point, if we could look at more than one example of the four or
five he gave, seems to be that Linux would essentially "commoditize the
Internet", which is not only reasonable but in many ways the whole idea
of the Internet, not to mention Linux and PCs and programs written in
platform-independant programming languages, for that matter.
--
T. Max Devlin
Manager of Research & Educational Services
Managed Services
ELTRAX Technology Services Group
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-[Opinions expressed are my own; everyone else, including
my employer, has to pay for them, subject to
applicable licensing agreement]-
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 16:44:41 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said John W. Stevens in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>JS/PL wrote:
>>
>> There's nothing holding them back, software has about the lowest barriers to
>> entry of any market on earth, at least it does now.
>
>That turns out not to be the case.
>
>Interoperability is an important factor in the market place, and the use
>of secret, proprietary interfaces makes the barrier to entry very, very
>high.
I think, along those lines, the consideration of modern commercial
software as protected by both copyright and trade secret licensing makes
the barrier more than 'high'; it literally makes it insurmountable, and
to an effect which makes a mockery of both copyright and trade secret
law and substantially inhibits innovation, competition, *and*
cooperation, and materially implements restraint of trade in doing so.
--
T. Max Devlin
Manager of Research & Educational Services
Managed Services
ELTRAX Technology Services Group
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-[Opinions expressed are my own; everyone else, including
my employer, has to pay for them, subject to
applicable licensing agreement]-
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Steve/Mike Gets A Sex Change -- And His 36th Fake Name (was: Why Linux
will crash and burn.....
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:42:25 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Mark S. Bilk" wrote:
> >
> We would all be
> better off to ignore this individual...
Which is just what I did until he first attacked me. Until then I just saw
him as foolish so and so not worth my time and bother. Then four other
people joined in the attack against me and supported him. I knew one of the
other four was another of his identities. So I tought I was dealing with
him and three others, then I noticed a certain type of his was in all five
attackers, his two identities and the three other posters. So I checked the
headers and discovered that all five were the same person.
> ...except for the fact that newbies
> may see the posts and get the wrong idea.
Which is why I make it an issue of identifing his new identities and
exposing them when I detect them. That way a neophyte to this group will
have a fair chance to evaluate the fact that are here in presented without
being hurt the deadpenguins's shenanigans. Based on what was on the news
recently, the actions of Steve/Simon/etc in this group may soon be a federal
felony.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Steve/Mike Gets A Sex Change -- And His 36th Fake Name (was: Why
Linux will crash and burn.....
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:45:35 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Look how important I am, I can start a flamewar!"
Cyber-pyromania on top of MPD and pathological liar, gee the mental problems
are really growing.
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From: "Dan Jacobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.emacs.gnus,news.software.readers
Subject: Which newsreader is used by who more? [was: can Linux use be so low? I do not
believe it. web traffic.
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:44:23 +0800
Ok, by the way, here's a plan dudes,
for each newsgroup do
for each article do
check the X-mailer or X-newsreader header etc., [or lack of]
and produce an analysis of which newsreader software is used (posted with)
overall, by hierarchy, and by newsgroup, etc. Sure hope somebody will do
that and post the results... if not already.
"Pim van Riezen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ?????
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On 6 Aug 2000 sid@net wrote:
> > I was shocked to see this web page, it does web traffic analysis,
> > and it claims Linux use is about 0% of total.
> >
> > check it out, please tell me this can't be true
> >
> > http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2000/August/os.html
> >
> > win98 61,980,402 65%
> > win95 16,710,282 17%
> > winNT 7,088,434 7%
> > win2K 2,569,636 2%
> > -
> > mac 1,848,624 1%
> > webTV 749,229 0%
> > Linux 276,626 0%
> > -
> > -
> > -
> > amiga 5,863 0%
>
> And of course that entirely depends on the page and what's on it. "Tom's
> software link for clueless Windows users" will get more hits from windows
> than from linux. If I take a look at the stats for www.tarball.net (a site
> I put my software on) you'll see the balance gone the other side:
>
> Hits for june, 2000
>
> Pos Hits Perc User Agent
> 1 80487 62.98 Mozilla/4.7
> 2 19072 14.92 MSIE 5.0
> 3 7086 5.54 Mozilla/4.6
> 4 3430 2.68 Mozilla/4.5
> 5 2390 1.87 MSIE 4.0
> 6 2162 1.69 Mozilla/4.0
> 7 1980 1.55 Mozilla/5.0
> 8 1867 1.46 Mozilla/3.01 (compatible;)
> 9 1825 1.43 Mozilla/3.0
> 10 1533 1.20 Mozilla/(X11; I; Linux 2.0)
>
> Does this mean anything? No. The page is mostly interesting for people
> interested in UNIX software, hence the strong presence of Netscape 4.7.
> Conclusion: Statistics are useless if your sample population isn't
> representative of the global average.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 16:58:03 -0400
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Said Daniel Johnson in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[...]
>> These are typically greedy intrests who think that without
>> their own little privately owned standards they can't manage.
>>
>> This should greatly concern anyone who claims to believe in
>> the free market. Companies are essentially broadcasting to
>> the world the fact that they just don't think that they could
>> tolerate open competition.
>
>Not at all. They are annoucing to the world that
>the world had better look out, because they mean
>to compete.
For certain values of 'compete', maybe, but none that include
participation in a free market and in accordance with anti-trust laws.
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