Linux-Advocacy Digest #481, Volume #28 Fri, 18 Aug 00 14:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right! (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious.... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: FAQ for c.o.m.n.a Now Available! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("JS/PL")
Re: FAQ for c.o.m.n.a Now Available! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Om (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re:
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:32:35 -0400
"Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron R. Kulkis) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> 8<SNIP>8
>
> >> No, it wasn't. It was meant to replace Novell, not Unix (something at
> >> which it has done exceedingly well - now Microsoft have decided to
> >> take aim on Unix).
> >
> >
> >HAR! HAR! HAR!
> >
> >Back in the days of Neutered Technology 3.X, Bill was claiming that
> >Neutered Technology 4. would be "a better Unix than Unix"
> >
> >So, from that statement, one can ONLY conclude that M$ already tried to
> >"take aim on Unix" and thus far, has failed miserably.
>
> Hmmm...
>
> - Every argument he makes never has any facts in it.
> - Has a smug and condesceding attitude.
> - He has a very long and annoying .signature.
>
> I dunno about you Christopher, but I've run out of
> reasons to keep this guy viewable any longer.
>
> *PLOINK!*
Translation: STEPHEN admits defeat.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re:
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:33:59 -0400
Stuart Fox wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > No. I have a full understanding of the behavior of the individuals
> > listed in my .sig, and how to keep their behavior under control
> >
> As a Unix Systems Engineer (whatever that is), you should know about
> something called a <dr evil>"killfile"</dr evil>. Perhaps that's the best
> way to "keep their behaviour under control", and avoid pissing off most of
> the readers of this ng.
Clue for the fucking clueless:
Putting someone in a killfile doesn't prevent them from
spreading lies about me.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right!
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:55:32 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
>"Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Let me tell you, if you check the CVS ML, patches are flying around
>> furiously
>> while we get ready to launch 2.0 and show them what a bad choice they
>> did ;-)
>
>Great :) Keep up the good work. But when it comes down to it, someone has
>to lose this battle eventually. And one side will have to admit defeat.
>The war may not yet be over, but it will be someday.
>
I can't speak for anyone else, but in my opinion this
isn't a correct assesment of the situation. I think, as
long as there is some cooperation between the two (as
there appears to be) and they eventually agree on some way
of passing certain things to eachother (such as the cut
and paste type of things) that there is no need for either
to win or lose the 'war'. (And this war is more in the
minds of users than it is in the minds of most of the
developers for either project that I have talked with.)
If you are right, and that's a very big 'IF', then how do
you explain the fact that I have a choice between jed,
joe, emacs, xemacs, vi, vim, etc.
The fact is that in the open source world, where it isn't
the money that drives further development, no single
'standard' editor, interface, or any other
utility/program/environment has to 'win'. As long as
there is interest in a project, it will continue. And I
don't see interest in either GNOME or KDE disappearing any
time soon.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious....
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:37:11 -0400
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
> Said Aaron R. Kulkis in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> >>
> >> Said Aaron R. Kulkis in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >> >"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> >> [...]
> >> >BASIC only *LOOKS* easier.
> >> >
> >> >In fact, it's more difficult. Proof of this is the fact that you will
> >> >not find ANY large applications written in BASIC, even though
> >> >compilers for the language have existed for 20 years.
> >>
> >> That depends on what you mean by "easier". Easier to develop large
> >> applications in? Certainly not. How many times must I point out that
> >> my interest is not in application development, but simple desktop
> >> automation? You don't *need* much more than BASIC for macros!
> >
> >But for that, Korn Shell is MUCH easier.
>
> In the abstract, you might very well be correct, Aaron, but in practice
> this is simply a matter of familiarity, not objective metrics of ease.
> What is "easier" to you might not be "easier" to someone who is *not* a
> professional developer.
>
> My point isn't that it really matters much what the syntax is; it is the
> functionality of the environment which is the important part. Shell
> scripts simply do not have the "middleware" character which is necessary
> for application macros. BASIC, as a language, doesn't either. But
> BASIC is a more accessible syntax, and more broadly familiar to those
Not really.
To a novice user, they are equally difficult, but with the Unix shells,
one can do more powerful things more quickly.
> who approach the PC as a large microcomputer, rather than a small
> minicomputer. It is true that this is due in no small part to
> Microsoft's typical monopolistic ways. But MS didn't invent BASIC, and
> Mr. Korn was not specifically designing a syntax intended for those not
> yet familiar with 'real' programming.
>
> --
> T. Max Devlin
> -- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
> of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
> Research assistance gladly accepted. --
>
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--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: FAQ for c.o.m.n.a Now Available!
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:43:18 -0400
Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
>
> Robert Moir wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Nope. Its me realising its not worth my time attempting to talk to you.
> > I
> > > > notice you don't even bother answering the rest of my post. Can I
> > assume,
> > > > then, that you are conceding the point about the value, or lack of it,
> > in
> > > > your posts?
> > >
> > > I concede that you are running away.
> >
> > And I concede that you appear to be either dull witted or trolling. *plonk*
>
> Boy Aaron, you seem to have impressed a lot of people lately!
When they're about to be checkmated, they always find some way to
tip-over the board.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:00:55 -0400
Reply-To: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Mike Byrns wrote:
> > Let me guess. You are a Linux fanatic. You hide it so well. I'm just
> > waiting for one of you psycho Line folks like Kulkis to mount a grassy
knoll
> > outside the Redmond campus and REALLY stand up for your cause. Then the
>
> Don't tempt me. Gates has destroyed so many lives that he has
> sacrificed any right to his own.
Are you saying you are tempted to kill someone, namely Bill Gates? Please
expound on the threat. Who do you want to kill?
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: FAQ for c.o.m.n.a Now Available!
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:44:16 -0400
Robert Moir wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Nope. Its me realising its not worth my time attempting to talk to you.
> I
> > > notice you don't even bother answering the rest of my post. Can I
> assume,
> > > then, that you are conceding the point about the value, or lack of it,
> in
> > > your posts?
> >
> > I concede that you are running away.
>
> And I concede that you appear to be either dull witted or trolling. *plonk*
Seeeeeeeee, he DID run away
He Did!
He Did run away.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:45:53 -0400
Mike Byrns wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Drestin Black wrote:
> > >
> > > "R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:8nfes0$9ck$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > > You have given a non-denial denial. You challenge my reasons
> > > > for suspecting you of having a financial tie to Microsoft, but
> > > > you don't deny that you have financial ties to Microsoft.
> > > >
> > > > These ties could be anything from preferred treatment within MSDN
> > > > to a contract as a Microsoft Press Agent. Do you deny, without
> > > > qualifications, that you have any financial motives for supporting
> > > > Microsoft?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > I state for the record and without any qualification that I do not have
> ANY
> > > financial motives for supporting Microsoft. I have NEVER received ANY
> > > preferred treatment within MSDN nor am I a MS Press Agent. I do not and
> > > never have worked for MS. I have never received a single penny from MS
> for
> > > any reason(except a software rebate once or twice, I think). I do not
> have
> > > any financial ties to Microsoft.
> > >
> > > My company and I uses and resells some MS products and we profit from
> doing
> > > this. THAT is how I profit from "MS doing well."
> > >
> > > Drestin Black
> >
> > Why do you HIDE behind a pseudonym, COWARD
>
> And you wonder why folks plonk you Aaron...
I know fully well why they do. They see that checkmate is only 2 moves
away, and rather than concede defeat, they decide to fling the board
across
the room.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Om
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:06:02 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Sphere
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:58:18 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>...
>>
>> If you honestly give a damn about this, quit making sophomoric posts of
>> DeCSS and instead contribute dollars to the various defense funds
>> through the Electronic Frontier Foundation (http://www.eff.org). The
>> right to wear the clothing of your choice is the next MPAA target.
>
>
>Did that already.
>
>
>I'm just proposing a new art form. How many
>versions of the source can compile to the
>same binary?
An indefinite number.
- - -
#include <stdio.h>
#define PROG_HELLO_MESSAGE_1 "Hello, World!\n"
int main()
{
printf(PROG_HELLO_MESSAGE_1);
return 0;
}
- - -
("PROG_" was selected so that it doesn't conflict with already-existing
#defined symbols).
Silly, I know...but one can increment the '1' in HELLO_MESSAGE_1
and generate an indefinite number of source files (limited by
preprocessor macro length, presumably). Or one can use base 63
(10 digits + 26 uppercase + 26 lowercase + underscore) and get
things such as HELLO_MESSAGE_A, HELLO_MESSAGE__, and
HELLO_MESSAGE_fooBar1bhil23ZZQ14_feeb_3bhqocl.
Any non-preprocessor identifier can take the same treatment,
if this isn't big enough...
- - -
#include <stdio.h>
#define PROG_INT_1 int
#define PROG_MAIN_1 main
#define PROG_PRINTF_1 printf
#define PROG_HELLO_MESSAGE_1 "Hello, World!\n"
#define PROG_RETURN_1 return
PROG_INT_1 PROG_MAIN_1 ()
{
PROG_PRINTF_1 (PROG_HELLO_MESSAGE_1);
PROG_RETURN 0;
}
- - -
and now one has 5 "incrementors" instead of just 1. One can play
even sillier games if one takes advantage of ANSI string concatenation
(e.g., #define PROG_H1_1 "H", and use
PROG_PRINTF_1 (PROG_H1_1 PROG_E1_1 PROG_L1_1 PROG_L2_1 PROG_O1_1 ...)
in the argument list -- I think this will work).
Obviously, this strategem is a rather silly dodge, but it does show
that source code has problems similar to the now-modified California
law that banned specific automatic weapons models -- just make a
minor change and call it a different model, or tack on a letter
for "New", "Revised", or "Changed", or "Deluxe", or ... well, you
get the idea. :-)
>
>
>--
>Sphere.
>
>No permanence. No self. No perfection.
No contest here. :-)
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:48:28 -0400
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> "Nathaniel Jay Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Long ago, Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered the
> following:
> > >I state for the record and without any qualification that I do not have
> ANY
> > >financial motives for supporting Microsoft.
> > [snip]
> > >My company and I uses and resells some MS products and we profit from
> doing
> > >this. THAT is how I profit from "MS doing well."
> >
> > Find the contradiction?
>
> it's not the same as saying I'm paid by MS - sheesh, are you that
> uneducated?
>
> I also sell products from other people, some who are MS competitors, I
> promote their warez too. You guys are really desperate to discredit anything
> MS aren't you? Why do you worry so much? what are you so afraid of?
We just know have a history of promulgating only pro-M$ lies...
and actions speak louder than words.
Care to reveal your real name, so that your claims can be verified,
or are you going to continue to post from under your bed with the
lights turned out, the curtains drawn tight, and the windows shuttered?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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