Linux-Advocacy Digest #624, Volume #28           Thu, 24 Aug 00 22:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Microsoft Linux: what if? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Why Lycos Selected Microsoft and Intel (Mike Marion)
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R. 
Kulkis")
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R. 
Kulkis")
  Re: Microsoft Linux: what if? (Donovan Rebbechi)
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Donovan 
Rebbechi)
  Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows ("Joseph T. Adams")
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Donovan 
Rebbechi)
  Re: Microsoft Linux: what if? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R. 
Kulkis")
  Re: The dusty Linux shelves at CompUSA ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows ("Joseph T. Adams")
  Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re:    Anonymous  
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates) (Donovan Rebbechi)
  Re: Enemies of Linux are MS Lovers ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Linux: what if?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:09:00 -0400

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>   "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Andres Soolo wrote:
> > > Stuart Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > You forget Linux is a trademark of Linus Torvalds.  Sure, Microsoft
> > > can use the code in any way that doesn't violate GPL but if they're
> > > going to create something obscene and call it Linux, Linus has the
> > > right to veto it.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, Lignux is not a trademark yet, and it might be very
> > > attractive to Microsoft ...
> >
> > Linus could challenge it, and he would win a trademark infringement
> > suit.  It's name is "too similar" to similar, competing product
> > already in existance.
> 
> Microsoft L++?
> 
> I wouldn't put it past them.

I think the Unix community should start trademarking all generic
terms so that Microsoft will have to come up with new names.

Windows.  To the uninitiated, ANY talk of a system with "windows"
sounds like a conversation about MS Windows.

Back Office: same thing

Word.  Similar concept.

Media player: same thing

etc., etc.,

Microsoft DEPENDS on introducing as much *confusion* into the
marketplace as possible.


Given their history....Microsoft will introduce a version of Linux,
with the name  "Microsoft Multiuser" ... because that way, every time
the techs talk about a 'multiuser operating system', the management
droids will go, "Oh..M$ Multiuser".  I better go to the M$ sales rep
and start getting bids and making orders on M$ Multiuser.

You see how they play the name game?


sooooo, I'm going to trademark that name, and others along
similar lines of thought  ( "MultiTasking" , etc.)

SCREW MICROSOFT
SCREW BILL GATES... 

> 
> -ws
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why Lycos Selected Microsoft and Intel
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:16:19 GMT

"R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" wrote:

> being "nice guys"?  Ask Ray Noorda, Phil Karn, Gary Kildall,

Hmm.. Phil's just a few buildlings over.. I should next time I see him. :) 

Then again, he wrote his own NOS several years ago.  Ask him about crypto
laws.. now _that_ really gets him going. 

> Steve Jobs, the folks at Borland, Corel, the former Lotus,
> the former WordPerfect, the former DBASE, the former Harvard
> Graphics, the former Aldus, or even Adobe, Oracle, Sybase,
> and of course Marc Andreeson, Jim Barksdale, and John Akers,
> what they think of Microsoft.  Then ask them to go on record!

Ask Citrix what they think of wts.  They got "partnered" out of that
technology too.

--
Mike Marion -  Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc. - http://miguelito.org
"Bill Gates is a white Persian cat and a monocle away
from becoming another James Bond villain."
"No Mr Bond, I expect you to upgrade." --Dennis Miller

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:10:44 -0400

Courageous wrote:
> 
> Re: welfare
> 
> > The current system of welfare is completely useless.. it doesn't help anyone
> > do to no incentive to actually go out and get a paying job.
> 
> I suspect that you are behind the times. Furthermore, we're
> arguing about peanuts. Why get all in a rile over peanuts
> when there are issues where SERIOUS MONEY is at stake? Look

As of 1995, Wealth-redistribution "entitlements" made up 45% of
the budget, and was growing.  ( The Republican congress may have
derailed this trend, however :-)

> at the Federal Budget. We can talk later... MUCH LATER!...
> about AFDC.
> 
> Sheesh.
> 
> C//


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:16:04 -0400

Mike Marion wrote:
> 
> david raoul derbes wrote:
> 
> > Joe, how likely is it that the government is going to pull the trigger
> > after you give them your wallet? It happens all the time on the street.
> 
> Yeah, the government _never_ completely destroys people financially by
> auditing them and fining the shit out of them for an honest mistake in a tax
> return (who's code is so convoluted that they could likely nail anyone if they
> really wanted to).  Yet if either side makes a mistake in money owed to the
> tax payer, do they get any interest, fines, etc?  Hell no!

The whole nation would benefit greatly if a couple of these slimeballs
wound up dead of unnatural, violent causes under mysterious
circumstances.

> 
> > I regard many forms of welfare as cheap insurance, frankly. People who
> > become justifiably angry and who in this country can easily get a gun
> > scare the hell out of me.
> 
> I'm sorry, but there's so such thing as "justifiably angry" to the point of
> comitting a crime against another person that had nothing to do with the tax
> code, bad job market, etc.

Those who seek to benefit of it can be be morally held responsible
for partaking in the whole immoral system:

Accepting pay to enforce a tax code which they KNOW is used for
immoral purposes (Robbing workers to pay the irresponsible and
lazy--I.e. they are accessories to felony theft, or enslavement,
however you choose to characterize it), and of course, the welfare
slobs themselves (who are demonstrate culpability every time they
cash a "gimme dat welfare" check.


> 
> The current system of welfare is completely useless.. it doesn't help anyone
> do to no incentive to actually go out and get a paying job.  And that's just
> _one_ of the screwed up gov't programs that waste our tax money.
> 
> I too would have no problem paying my share of taxes, IF the money weren't
> wasted like it is.
> 
> --
> Mike Marion -  Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc. - http://miguelito.org
> "Bill Gates is a white Persian cat and a monocle away
> from becoming another James Bond villain."
> "No Mr Bond, I expect you to upgrade." --Dennis Miller


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: Microsoft Linux: what if?
Date: 25 Aug 2000 01:35:39 GMT

On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:09:00 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:

>Windows.  To the uninitiated, ANY talk of a system with "windows"
>sounds like a conversation about MS Windows.
>
>Back Office: same thing
>
>Word.  Similar concept.
>
>Media player: same thing

My favourite is "SQL server".

-- 
Donovan

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: 25 Aug 2000 01:37:08 GMT

On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:16:04 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>however you choose to characterize it), and of course, the welfare
>slobs themselves (who are demonstrate culpability every time they
>cash a "gimme dat welfare" check.

You make it sound as though the national budget is spent entirely 
on these "welfare slobs" that you keep demonising. This is woefully 
innaccurate, especially now that the welfare reform laws have gone 
through.

-- 
Donovan

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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: 25 Aug 2000 01:38:50 GMT

In comp.os.linux.advocacy mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: This who XML hysteria worries me. We have people thinking that it is
: something other than a very inefficient text based file format. Example:


A lot of folks haven't quite grasped yet what the XML fuss is all
about.  I'd like to try to explain it as best I can, as someone who's
new to the XML world myself, but VERY impressed by its potential. 

XML is, at its core, a way of representing structured information (as
opposed to flatfile information) in a way that is very easily read by
both machines and humans, and very easily converted to/from other
formats.

It does for structured information (i.e.  most information) what ASCII
did for plain text/character information. 

As such, it opens up the possibility for different applications,
written using different languages, platforms, and philosophies,
separated by space *or* time, to communicate easily, in a standardized
way, and without necessarily having any direct knowledge of one
another, in a way that is not otherwise possible.

Virtually any kind of data that has a hierarchical or tree-like
structure (or, with the help of XML schemas, a relational structure)
can be expressed easily in XML.  XML expresses not only the data but
the structure or metadata as well.

The possibilities are quite exciting.  Sure, there's a lot of hype,
just as there was for Java and then Linux.  Not all the hype is
justified.  But a lot of it is.  XML will be one of the building
blocks for a whole new world of (primarily) business-to-business
applications, the economic and political significance of which
potentially exceeds that of the entire Web as we know it today. 

Fans of Linux and other free software should note that not only XML
itself, but nearly all of the related technologies (DOM, CSS, XSLT,
DTDs, SGML, etc.) are published, open, well-documented and carefully
developed standards, with reference implementations that are free and
open-source.  Many free software projects are adopting XML-based file
formats. 

XML is verbose, as your example shows.  Most of the verboseness comes
from the repetition of information inside element tag names.  This
does not result in inefficiency, since this kind of repeated
information is easily stripped out by any decent compression
algorithm.  As a result, large XML files compress very well. 

Because XML is a text format, not binary, it is inherently more
difficult to obfuscate XML-based formats, or to prevent reverse
engineering of them.  It is true that Microsoft has been heavily
involved in the development of XML standards and related technology. 
Of course, it remains to be seen whether it will follow these
standards.  I believe Microsoft embraced XML because it wants to gain
and maintain a foothold in the burgeoning business-to-business
E-commerce world.  In addition to M$, much more reputable companies
including IBM and Sun, as well as free software projects such as
Apache, KDE, Gnome, Mozilla, and numerous others, have embraced and/or
contributed to the development and promotion of XML and XML-based
technologies.

All modern programming languages, and even legacy languages such as
COBOL and VB, can create and process XML easily, and native XML
support is being added to many of them.  Support for legacy languages
is important because it allows XML support to be added to legacy
applications, which then can communicate far more easily with the
outside world, in both directions.

XML is very cool stuff.  I would really encourage you or anyone else
reading this to spend just a little bit of time checking it out.


Joe

(Mark's brief XML example follows - XML at its core really is this
simple!)



: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1" ?>
: <!DOCTYPE RESULTSET SYSTEM "http://fubar.com/fubar.dtd">
: <RESULTSET>
:   <RESULT ID="0" >
:     <MATCHES>0</MATCHES>
:     <TIME>0.1605</TIME>
:     <RATINGS>0</RATINGS>
:     <MAXSCORE>2510</MAXSCORE>
:     <SCORE>6947</SCORE>
:     <SIZE>6536</SIZE>
:     <LANGUAGE>_LANG1_</LANGUAGE>
:     <DATE>957148708</DATE>
:     <FORMAT>0</FORMAT>
:     <MODDATE>0</MODDATE>
:   </RESULT> 
: </RESULTSET>

: That's all that XML is, nothing more. It can not replace programs, it is
: not a new concept in operating systems. 

: -- 
: http://www.mohawksoft.com

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: 25 Aug 2000 01:41:52 GMT

On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:39:59 GMT, Mike Marion wrote:

>The current system of welfare is completely useless.. it doesn't help anyone
>do to no incentive to actually go out and get a paying job.  And that's just
>_one_ of the screwed up gov't programs that waste our tax money.

If you're talking about the US, that is just plain wrong. There is an 
incentive to go out and get a paying job, namely that they are required 
to go out and find one.

-- 
Donovan

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Linux: what if?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:37:27 -0400

Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:09:00 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> 
> >Windows.  To the uninitiated, ANY talk of a system with "windows"
> >sounds like a conversation about MS Windows.
> >
> >Back Office: same thing
> >
> >Word.  Similar concept.
> >
> >Media player: same thing
> 
> My favourite is "SQL server".

Competing software vendors should file class actions suits for
all of this bullshit...

It's marketing chicanery, and M$ knows it.


> 
> --
> Donovan


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:39:13 -0400

Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:16:04 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >however you choose to characterize it), and of course, the welfare
> >slobs themselves (who are demonstrate culpability every time they
> >cash a "gimme dat welfare" check.
> 
> You make it sound as though the national budget is spent entirely
> on these "welfare slobs" that you keep demonising. This is woefully
> innaccurate, especially now that the welfare reform laws have gone
> through.

They are decreasing, but we are still subsidizing out-of-wedlock
pregnancies for high school girls.

And it is mandatory to get rid of the "i'm-an-irresponsible-idiot"
welfare of leftist socialism if we ever want to get rid of the
fascist corporate welfare.
> 
> --
> Donovan


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The dusty Linux shelves at CompUSA
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:41:24 -0400

Mike Marion wrote:
> 
> mlw wrote:
> 
> > It is an economy thing. If you were worth anything you would not be
> > working retail. That is Fry's, CompUSA, et. al. The issue is that
> > computers are complex. Duh!
> 
> The scary thing is that your average person thinks that the people who work at
> those stores are knowledgable about the products, when in most cases they're
> far from it.

True.  When I'm in stores, due to my education, I almost always get
in a conversation with another customer who can't make a decision.

The sales people Always realize that they are out-classed as stay
clear of the area or risk looking like a fool....but they usually
thank me afterwards....because my guidance gives them confidence
to actually make a decision and therefore, a purchase.




> 
> --
> Mike Marion -  Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc. - http://miguelito.org
> "Bill Gates is a white Persian cat and a monocle away
> from becoming another James Bond villain."
> "No Mr Bond, I expect you to upgrade." --Dennis Miller


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: 25 Aug 2000 01:51:50 GMT

In comp.os.linux.advocacy Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: It was the 24 Aug 2000 10:43:56 -0600...
: ...and Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> Take a look at MacOS X Bundles:
: [schnipp] 
:> Linux is halfway there already with RPM and deb; but the ultimate goal
:> is to just get rid of them.

: Uh-oh, I feel another flamewar coming up on NeXTish .app encapsulation
: vs. the classic Unix way of spreading an application out over bin,
: lib, share etc...


Yuck.  :(

I can certainly see major pros and cons to each approach.  What I
can't see is why we couldn't combine the best features of each.

Example: program Foo contains an install script or makefile target
that can put its code, classes, libraries, and other needed files
either in (a) the traditional Unix places, or (b) a single,
user-designated place such as /opt/Foo or /usr/share/Foo.  Optionally,
the script also can make soft or hard links to the other.  It keeps a
record of what was done during the install, knows how to find the file
containing this record, and can use it to un-do the install if
necessary. 

While this doesn't solve the dependency problem, and thus doesn't
replace the need for packaging systems such as *BSD ports or .debs or
RPMs, it *would* seem to me to make life far easier for sysadmins,
especially amateur sysadmins (which comprise by now the vast majority
of Linux users).

And aside from the very minor issue of a few wasted inodes and the
need to come up with suitable scripts, I can't think of any major
drawbacks.  

Am I missing something here?


Joe

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re:    Anonymous  
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates)
Date: 25 Aug 2000 01:51:58 GMT

On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:24:37 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
 
>> Being new to c.o.l.a., I ran a deja.com search on posts by this Kulkis
>> to see why he's such an irritating moron.  And surprise, surprise, his
>> posts reveal that he's not only irritating, but also a completely Foul
>
>Yes, I am a severe irritation to stupid people.

Hate to say it, but I'd suspect that a lot of your detractors are 
exceptionally intelligent if you're prepared to accept the limited
definition of intelligence that you keep promoting. Speaking for myself,
I'm more "intelligent" than Feynman (-;

-- 
Donovan

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.microsoft.sucks,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Enemies of Linux are MS Lovers
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:53:41 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Person 7) wrote:
[crap--]
> Hope you don't mind me asking, but are you deliberately spelling like
> a five year old or are you just a complete spacker?
> No wonder you have to use nice, easy, graphical operating systems.

Windoze, the favorite OS of script-kiddies worldwide, no intelligence
required.  I thimk you hit the proverbial nail on the head....


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