Linux-Advocacy Digest #680, Volume #28 Sun, 27 Aug 00 12:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Bob Hauck)
Re: Windows stability: Alternate shells? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Tad McClellan)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Tad McClellan)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Donovan
Rebbechi)
Re: Tholen digest, volume 2451784.bo76^-.0000001 ("Joe Malloy")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("JS/PL")
Re: Large disks still not supported on Linux? (David Dorward)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:34:34 -0400
Joe Ragosta wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ZnU
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:04:53 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> > > > >Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > > >> Again, you make the flawed assumption that the unfitness of the
> > > > >> parents implies the unfitness of their children.
> > > > >
> > > > >That's the safe way to bet.
> > > >
> > > > If you want to go on statistics alone, and make blanket assumptions
> > > > based on averages, I ask you this -- would you endorse a company
> > > > policy that dictates that African Americans shouldn't be hired due
> > > > to the fact that the "safe way to bet" is that they have inferior
> > > > "intelligence" ( despite considerable overlap of different ethnic
> > > > groups ... ) Oh, I refer you to your "bible" for the relevant
> > > > statistics.
> > >
> > > No. Simply overturn the Supreme Court ruling that disallows IQ tests
> > > for job placement.
> >
> > It's impossible to even come up with a single number to accurately
> > represent microprocessor performance and you think the same can be done
> > for the human brain?
>
> I'm curious about this Supreme Court ruling. When did they rule that?
Early 1970's.
>
> My company uses entrance exams for executive positions. They've found
> that people who score higher on the exam tend to do better jobs than
> those who score poorly.
The Supreme Court ruled that you can only test for "job relevant"
skills, which tilts the test in favor of those who have previous
experience for the position, and AWAY from those who are most able
to learn and adapt quickly.
>
> What's wrong with that--either legally or ethically?
Nothing.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Joe Ragosta
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~jragosta/complmac.htm
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:43:41 GMT
On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 01:04:00 -0400, JS/PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Bob Hauck wrote:
>> >
>> > On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:35:31 -0400, JS/PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> > >What's bad about it? It maintains superiority, which is good.
>> >
>> > The major problems with missle defense are:
>> So...then, your idea is...
>>
>> Expand the number of ICBM's in the American arsenal, AND
>> build large numbers of decoys, and blast China to hell if
>> they launch even one missile.
I think that is basically the current policy, isn't it, minus the
decoys? Anyway, Aaron, the only reason I saw this is because JS/PL
replied and quoted it. You are in my kill file.
>Now if there was a way to stop missiles immediately after launch.....
Yes, IF there were a way, that would be really cool. A lot of other
things would be really cool IF there were a way to do them. I think
non-technological solutions (i.e. arms reduction and a posture of
reduced readiness to launch on all sides) are both less costly and more
likely to actually work than SDI.
Your idea about getting "spinoffs" from SDI is a poor justification,
given that the program is classified. As I said, if you think the
aerospace industry needs welfare, you'd get a better spinoff ratio by
giving the money to NASA for a Mars program or something.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Windows stability: Alternate shells?
Date: 27 Aug 2000 14:47:53 GMT
On Sun, 21 Aug 3900 06:37:23, R.E.Ballard ( Rex
Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<< mucho snippage >>
> . . . . . . . . . The one critical requirement was that the entire OS
> had to be available in Source code format because problems needed
> to be FIXED in a very short period of time. When a bug affected
> one machine, it usually hit all of them very quickly. The bug
> had to be fixed before multiple machines were lost.
>
> In one case, after an operator had taken down the system 3 times
> (we had ways of finding these things out) we paid him $500 cash
> to show us what he did. We fixed the bug in 7 hours.
Letsee, a debugging team sent by Management needs
to bribe a mere factotum into retracing his
robo-motions? Was this somehow involved with an
ongoing worker solidarity (union action)
situation, or possibly you remember it as a case
where you would have been 'WILLING to pay 500-
cash' just to get the facts of the case? As you
state it it just seems too bizarre, or had you
paid another worker the day before the cash sum of
400- to . . . ? :)
Hey, I'm willing to allow a god bit of dramatic
license, but as a dues-paying Union member way
back when, I'm just having trouble visualizing the
scene.
My apologies for the interjection into another
fascinating view of the cyber-beast of OS's. A
keeper as usual.
>
> --
> Rex Ballard - I/T Architect, MIS Director
> Linux Advocate, Internet Pioneer
> http://www.open4success.com
> Linux - 42 million satisfied users worldwide
> and growing at over 5%/month! (recalibrated 8/2/00)
Vacuo
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tad McClellan)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:59:30 -0400
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:27:47 +1000, Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> It seems that too many people are so worked up about the XML format that
>> they are crediting it with magical properties.
>
>Yeh, there seems to be a lot of hype. I guess it's the new toy syndrome.
^^^^^^^
Structured markup is not new. It is (at least) 20 *years* old.
I am dumbfounded that most everybody thinks that XML is
"something new"...
So it isn't really "new toy" syndrome, it is more like
"a very old toy that I just now discovered" syndrome :-)
--
Tad McClellan SGML consulting
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Perl programming
Fort Worth, Texas
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tad McClellan)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:02:04 -0400
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:17:15 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Bob Hauck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:52:59 GMT, paul snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Clearly, you *aren't* a developer.
>
>And that give him the perfect qualifications to determine what developers
>should be doing. Read a little about the latest fad, like XML,
>understanding less than half of the information, credit it with magical
>properties to solve all ills and then direct developers to make it work
>somehow. Sounds familiar?
Someone (name Scott, perhaps?) could get rich from a
comic strip that characterized that situation :-)
--
Tad McClellan SGML consulting
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Perl programming
Fort Worth, Texas
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:43:12 -0400
ZnU wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joe
> Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ZnU
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Marion
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Perry Pip wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > And you want my taxes to pay for vouchers for that shit? No way.
> > > >
> > > > As someone who started out in public schools, then switched to
> > > > private school, I can say without a doubt that the education I got at
> > > > the private school was _much_ better then I could've gotten in the
> > > > public system. My parents sacrificed a lot for my sister and I (and
> > > > we both let them know that we appreciate what they did) to go to
> > > > private school. I have plenty of friends that went to public school
> > > > that wish they could've also gone to private school and talk about
> > > > how bad they were/are.
> > >
> > > It depends where you live. In rich suburbs, the public schools are of
> > > very high quality. They're properly funded. In inner cities, they're
> > > woefully underfunded, and they're horrible.
> >
> > You might want to check your facts.
> >
> > The funding level in some of those inner city schools isn't very
> > different from suburban spending.
>
> In 1992 in New York state the richest (suburban, of course) school
> district spent $38,572 per student vs. $5,423 for the poorest (inner
> city).
>
> In Texas, it was $42,000 vs. $3,098.
>
> In Illinois, it was $16,700 vs. $2,276.
>
> > Money doesn't solve problems.
>
> No, but good teachers, good equipment and good facilities do, and money
> pays for all of that.
Evidently, this man has never been in the military.
The majority of my military training, the classes have either been
held outside (i.e. ***NO*** teaching facility), or some minimal
resources structure. I once had a class on military digital
telephone communications in a building that was literally falling
apart. No heat, broken windows, roof was leaking like a seive,
no electricity--the unit sponsoring the class had to bring in
a generator on a trailer just so we could have electricity for the
overhead projector (the facility was an old missile silo site south
of Detroit...and the surface buildings had not been maintained
in the slightest since the air force abandoned the site).
And yet...despite tall of that....we learned the material.
The problem with the public schools is *NOT* the quality of the
facilities...no...the problem with the public schools is what
material is being presented by the teachers...and what is not.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: 27 Aug 2000 15:11:45 GMT
On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:43:12 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>ZnU wrote:
>>
>The problem with the public schools is *NOT* the quality of the
>facilities...no...the problem with the public schools is what
>material is being presented by the teachers...and what is not.
Repeating the same falsehoods is not going to make them true. See my
other post.
I spent a year of high school in the US public school system ( well-to-do
yuppie district, but still, definitely a public school ), and it was quite
good. The school let everyone move at their own pace. The smart kids were
taking college calc in high school, the slow kids were free to amble along
and do algebra-trig in final year. There was nothing in the school system
that forced students to do badly, in fact quite the opposite, the school
did an excellent job at creating opportunities for gifted students.
The material presented by the teachers depended on the ability of the
students.
I'd argue that the inclusiveness of both America and its education system
makes it look considerably worse than it really is. I'd conjecture that
if you were to take two children of *equal ability* and put one through
Japan's system and one through America's, there wouldn't be a substantial
difference in the end result.
You cannot make meaningful claims about the performance of an education system
unless you control for the ability of incoming students !!!
The problem with these arguments that America's high schools are "poor
performers" is that by way of either deceit or ignorance, they misapply
statistics that do not in anyway control for the ability of incoming
students.
--
Donovan
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From: "Joe Malloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tholen digest, volume 2451784.bo76^-.0000001
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:32:22 GMT
Here's today's Tholen digest. Notice how he's ignored the evidence for the
fact that he likes to "hear" himself, as well as the evidence for his
reading comprehension problem. Nor did he explain why he's so stuck on
"Slava's" question; indeed, he continues to assume that everybody knows who
"Slava" is. And he's still plagued with "parrot" syndrome, claiming that I
have made remarks about his responding one article at a time in the process
(as
his multiplicitous responses attest). Lastly, he clearly doesn't understand
the concept of a digest, given that he keeps complaining about my posting a
"Tholen digest". So sad, so Tholen.
To the digest improper:
[Yep, since 1992 nothing worth repeating!]
Bye!
--
"USB, idiot, stands for Universal Serial Bus. There is no power on the
output socket of any USB port I have ever seen" - Bob Germer
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:39:42 -0400
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Christopher Smith in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >
> >"ZnU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <8npmf2$k8t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Christopher Smith"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > One might note that the two main players in this particular case,
> >> > Office and IE, *are* superior products, in pretty much everyone's
> >> > opinion.
> >>
> >> Again, that's true _now_. Microsoft has made it unprofitable for
> >> competitors to bother, so there is no serious competition.
> >
> >With Office, it's been true for a very, very long time. Back to the
Windows
> >3.1 days.
>
> Oh, yea! Remember when we figured we'd have desktop applications
> aplenty from *everybody* who wanted to make applications competing for
> our business, instead of just Microsoft pushing new crap on top of old
> crap? Hoo-WEEE! I can't *wait* for that OS pre-load market to open up.
Been down in a hole for the past five years or what? OEM computers are
jammed full of non Microsoft software
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From: David Dorward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Large disks still not supported on Linux?
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:56:21 +0100
RCS wrote:
>
> I was wondering if the upcoming kernel 2.4 supports larger harddisks than
> previously?
> ( or maybe its lilo that needs to be updated for this?)
[snip]
Linux is quite happy with large hard disks (at least with my 2.2.x
kernel). There are two reasons you may be having this misconception:
The kernel itself my live near the begining of the harddisk
Your disk partitioning tool may not support > 6gb hard disks
Your BIOS may not support > 6gb hard disks.
SuSE 6.4 quite happily installed on my 30.7 gig IDE hard disk.
--
David Dorward
http://www.dorward.co.uk/
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