Linux-Advocacy Digest #680, Volume #30 Wed, 6 Dec 00 04:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Off Topic: Funny Light Bulb Joke: ("kiwiunixman")
Re: Is design really that overrated? ("kiwiunixman")
Re: Slightly Offtopic: MacOS X give Windows a bit of competition (Tim Smith)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Is design really that overrated? ("kiwiunixman")
Re: LINUX ROCKS AND WINDOWS SUCKS ("the_blur")
Re: LINUX ROCKS AND WINDOWS SUCKS ("Dennis Popov")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Goldhammer)
Re: LINUX ROCKS AND WINDOWS SUCKS ("kiwiunixman")
Re: Linux is awful ("Sourav Laskar")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
On-topic Humour: I need Linux (song) (kiwiunixman)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is awful (kiwiunixman)
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From: "kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Off Topic: Funny Light Bulb Joke:
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 07:28:47 GMT
I don't use Microsoft Lightbulbs, I use the ultra-cheap Philips Lightbulbs,
and my power is provided by Transalta, a full 240v, yeah baby, yeah!
kiwiunixman
MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:90binn$isk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> How about people who post about how if M$ made lightbulbs, they would
> have a pretty pattern on the surface but would stop working until you
> switched them off and on again?
>
> Dunno 'bout that. Since you use their newsreader to post all of this rot,
> why don't you tell us if your lights are going and off?
>
>
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From: "kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is design really that overrated?
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 07:30:48 GMT
Why does Netscape crash more on Windows than on Linux? Considering that
Netscape was developed first on the Windows "platform", I always thought
that Windows one should be more stable, I guess I am proven wrong.
kiwiunixman
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:f1AU5.5374$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> > Mandrake, however has some very goofy things. For instance, the
> > MandrakeUpdate utility uses a scrollbar as a progress indicator...
moving
> > back and forth like a Cylon eyepiece... ugh. Whoever did that should be
> > shot.
>
> Doesn't Netscape do that on Linux? On Windows it leaves a fading trail.
>
> --
> Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: Slightly Offtopic: MacOS X give Windows a bit of competition
Date: 5 Dec 2000 23:27:03 -0800
Reply-To: Tim Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Sat, 25 Nov 2000 16:05:35 +0000, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <8vog29$rm7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, MH wrote:
>>Why is the MS Office suite important? I thought everything MS sucked?
>>wats up wit dat?
>
>It does. Suckiness doesn't align with market penetration in
>a monopolistic environment, however. This is basic economics
>of monopolies.
A much more important factor is that everything else sucks much more.
Microsoft Office has problems, but not as many as the competitors.
--Tim Smith
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 01:44:14 -0600
"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 01:35:53 -0600, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> >Actually, no. The keyboard driver has nothing to do with it. C-A-D is a
> >hardware reset, not a software one.
>
> No it isn't. It is just another key combination that the BIOS handles
> specially. Under DOS, you can hook an interrupt to prevent C-A-D from
> working. You can even do it by accident if your program is buggy
> enough. But NT doesn't use the BIOS, it emulates the behavior in the
> keyboard driver.
I stand corrected. However, you can't replace the keyboard driver unless
you have permissions to do so.
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From: "kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is design really that overrated?
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 07:42:09 GMT
Redesigned BSOD:
______________________________________________________
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| What the fuck?
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| It seems that a program in Windows has some sort
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| of bug that has not been corrected (surprise, surprise)
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| and basicly, your fucked. You have two options
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| press [ESC] and hope it works (but 90% it won't)
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| or you could take a risk and press reset, and hopefully
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| the data stored on the disk won't be totally fucked.
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how about that as a replacement.
kiwiunixman
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From: "the_blur" <the_blur_oc@*removespamguard*hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: LINUX ROCKS AND WINDOWS SUCKS
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 02:53:34 -0500
Plonk me or the original guy?
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From: "Dennis Popov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LINUX ROCKS AND WINDOWS SUCKS
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 03:12:20 -0500
I hereby would like to declare a resounding (((!!!SPNAK!!!))) on the_blur
for claiming that Win9x is stable.
the_blur <the_blur_oc@*removespamguard*hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:sjmX5.10300$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Plonk me or the original guy?
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Goldhammer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 08:18:03 GMT
On Wed, 06 Dec 2000 04:44:11 GMT,
Kelsey Bjarnason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[snips]
>
>"Goldhammer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:MWgX5.57779$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> >>It can most certainly edit text.
>> >>Why do you claim that it can't edit text?
>> >
>> >OK, it can barely edit text, but that's about it. For Christ's sake,
>> >there are less than 10 shortcut keys in the whole thing! You can't
>> >even use Ctrl+S to save. It's a good job I've got emacs for Windows.
>>
>>
>> And here the MS advocates may choose to respond: "but the average
>> Joe User doesn't need shortcut keys..." or some such drivel.
>
>Don't know about advocates, but at least one user - me - might point out
>that I don't really expect a hell of a lot from the freebies tossed in with
>the OS, regardless of who makes it. I didn't with HP, I didn't with OS/2, I
>don't with Windows.
It's good that you don't expect a hell of a lot from Windows. That way,
you avoid the daily disappointments.
>That some OSen _may_ bundle more useful utilities is
>nice, but hardly significant; if this is the determining factor, you might
>want to try a Mac with a bundled office ensemble.
We are talking about a text editor. Not an office suite. I don't want
to install an office suite to do a basic task like editing text efficiently...
although one fellow did suggest using a spreadsheet, Excel, to do something
normally done with a text editor. Logical, no?
--
Don't think you are. Know you are.
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From: "kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LINUX ROCKS AND WINDOWS SUCKS
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 08:27:30 GMT
A little story and lesson about life:
There was once an old lady that went to church, when she went into the
church, she gave alll she could afford, which was one penny. A very rich
man came in next and gave several hundred gold pieces, though he could have
given more. Who really gave for the sake of helping the needy? The only
reason why Bill Gates is giving away the money is because he can afford it
(I would be very interested at his contribution before becoming a
billionaire) and because it is good PR for the naive mass's who very rarely
look behind what being sugar coated. An example of the naive mass's would
be the free Tabet movement that is reved up by some sandle wearing, tree
hugging, anti free-trade wankers. Little to they (protestors) know Tabet has
alway's been part of China, hence there protest is based on pro-democratics
movement, spin-doctor material.
kiwiunixman
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From: "Sourav Laskar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:45:55 +0530
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:90imnp$182ht$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
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> "Sourav Laskar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:90i1h0$qt4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hey why nobody's talking about partition management.
> > MS way of maintaining drive letters and the devils godown "REGISTRY" has
> > cost me a reinstall of my workplace system yesterday. Has anybody tried
> > partition management in window @#$@#%@#!?>?$%@$%$%
>
> Control Panel > Administrator Tools > Computer Management > Storage > Disk
> Management.
> What do you want to do?
> Remove a HD? Go there and take it out.
> Change a HD's letter? Go there and do it.
> Mount a HD's as a directory in another HD? (both must be NTFS) Go there
and
And why should both be NTFS??!!!! I cannot believe that MS does
not have the expertise the mount different filesystems on the
directory structure.
> do it.
> Change partitions in HD? Go there and do it. (It's not partition magic,
> though, you can't resize)
> Remove a HD and insert another one without rebooting? You do it from
there.
Yes I know, I tried to do that with the effect that the registry was strewn
with references to the same directories with two different locations,
courtsey -- drive letters. Absolutely no chance to undo things. Ofcourse,
I figured that a reinstall would be less laborious than cleaning the
registry.
-Sourav
>
> > As for unix system of a single root -- I have swapped components,
drives,
> > partitions blah, blah and what not -- I don't even need to touch one
> single
> > configuration file (except maybe for /etc/fstab), because I can mount
the
> > new partition at exactly the same place as the old partition was.
>
> See above.
>
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: 06 Dec 2000 16:31:24 +0800
>>>>> "tholen" == tholen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Everyone has to "consult the manual" (or a friend, or the
>> on-line help) at some point early in their learning process.
tholen> I know some first-time computer users that did not need to
tholen> consult the manual or a friend to know what to do with the
tholen> power cord, for example.
That's because they're already familiar with how to handle a power
cord when they dealt with hundreds (if not thousands) of other
electrical appliances.
The ATX power _switch_, on the other hand, is counter-intuitive. How
do you switch OFF the computer? Is that really OFF (i.e. disconnected
from the main sockets electrically)?
--
Lee Sau Dan 李守敦(Big5) ~{@nJX6X~}(HZ)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: 06 Dec 2000 16:34:11 +0800
>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Tim> If you want to get pedantic, emacs is that way, also, but the
Tim> command bound to each letter is the command to insert that
Tim> letter into the text, so you don't notice you are running a
Tim> command. :-)
But which *computer* with a keyboard doesn't work that way? Every key
you type fires an event that causes the OS to run some code, which
dispatches the event to the application program, which then handles it
in the application-specific way.
The only difference with Emacs, compared to other _application_
programs, is that Emacs exposes this to the programmer, and allows
(but not mandates) them to customize this behaviour.
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Lee Sau Dan 李守敦(Big5) ~{@nJX6X~}(HZ)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: 06 Dec 2000 16:37:19 +0800
>>>>> "Aaron" == Aaron R Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Aaron> Ever use IBM's XEDIT for S/370 and higher systems?
I often quote 'xedit' as a counter example when someone falls into the
misconception that GUI ==> intuitive + easy-to-use + easy-to-learn.
GUI's can be designed to be difficult to use and confusing.
Similarly, CLI's can be designed to be easy to use and consistent.
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Lee Sau Dan 李守敦(Big5) ~{@nJX6X~}(HZ)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: 06 Dec 2000 16:44:46 +0800
>>>>> "Steve" == Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Steve> (To tholen) Okay we agree, it seems, that intuativeness is
Steve> purely relative to what is already known. In the case of
Steve> Vi, it only appears unintuative if you are used to some
Steve> other editor first. This I agree with. What you don't
Steve> seem to get is that it works the other way around too - if
Steve> you learn Vi first, then those other editors are the
Steve> unintuative ones.
Yeah, especially when regular expressions have become almost a basic
instinct and the other editor doesn't have regular expressions.
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Lee Sau Dan 李守敦(Big5) ~{@nJX6X~}(HZ)
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: On-topic Humour: I need Linux (song)
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 08:52:17 GMT
I need linux, linux
To ease my mind
I need to find, find someone to call mine
But mama said
You can't hurry linux
No, you just have to wait
She said linux don't come easy
It's a game of give and take
You can't hurry linux
No, you just have to wait
You got to trust, give it time
No matter how long it takes
But how many Blue Screens
Must I stand before I find linux
To let me live again
Right now the only thing
That keeps me hangin' on
When I feel my freespace, yeah
It's almost gone
I remember mama said:
You can't hurry linux
No, you just have to wait
She said linux don't come easy
It's a game of give and take
How long must I wait
How much more can I take
Before blue screens will cause my disk
hard disk to break?
No I can't bear to live my life alone
I grow impatient for a OS to call my own
But when I feel that I, I can't go on
These precious words keeps me hangin' on
I remember mama said:
You can't hurry linux
No, you just have to wait
She said linux don't come easy
It's a game of give and take
You can't hurry linux
No, you just have to wait
She said trust, give it time
No matter how long it takes
No, linux, linux, don't come easy
But I keep on waiting
Anticipating for that soft voice
To talk to me at night
For some tender arms
To hold me tight
I keep waiting
I keep on waiting
But it ain't easy
It ain't easy
But mama said:
You can't hurry linux
No, you just have to wait
She said to trust, give it time
No matter how long it takes
You can't hurry linux
No, you just have to wait
She said linux don't come easy
It's a game of give and take
___________________________________
kiwiunixman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: 06 Dec 2000 16:49:45 +0800
>>>>> "tholen" == tholen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
tholen> The fact that it needs to be learned is what makes
tholen> something not intuitive.
So, walking and talking are intuitive, aren't they?
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Lee Sau Dan 李守敦(Big5) ~{@nJX6X~}(HZ)
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 09:06:22 GMT
<snip>
> Oh, you mean like installing nvidia drivers for your TNT card. That's a
> needlessly complex task under Linux, and a matter of a few automated steps
> in Win2k.
rpm the latest version off the NVIDIA website
>
> Or how about turning on ultra DMA? Windows will often figure out if the
> drive supports it and enable it. If it doesn't, it's a matter of right
> clicking the drive in device manager and changing a dropdown box. With
> Linux, it's figuring out a 20 parameter long hdparm string and figuring out
> where in the startup scripts to put it.
open Yast2, click on "performance enhance", click on lauch module,
select "enable DMA", click on finish, finish, then reboot the computer
>
> What about installing TrueType Fonts? Dozens of steps in Linux, while it's
> just a matter of dragging them to your font folder in Windows.
I don't use them , so it doesn't concern me.
>
> How about setting your monitor refresh rate?
lauch sax2
>
> That's just off the top of my head, I can list dozens of tasks that are much
> much harder under Linux than Win 2000. Which tasks are easier under Linux?
Please try harder next time
kiwiunixman
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