Linux-Advocacy Digest #680, Volume #33 Wed, 18 Apr 01 00:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: This is a fucking miracle! CD-R Follow up story (Gary Hallock)
Re: More Mafia$oft incompetance on display.. (Michael Vester)
Re: The X-Box and monopoly was: Blame it all on Microsoft (Craig Kelley)
Re: Windoze is dying.... (Craig Kelley)
Re: Why left-wing communist assholes hate Reagan. (was Re: Communism,
Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.) (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant (Craig Kelley)
Re: Perl and Tcl/Tk: How important are they? (Michael Vester)
Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ? (Hartmann Schaffer)
Re: The X-Box and monopoly was: Blame it all on Microsoft (Thaddeus L Olczyk)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Michael
Ejercito)
Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000 (Lucas Tam)
Re: MS and ISP's ("JS PL")
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Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:07:55 -0400
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: This is a fucking miracle! CD-R Follow up story
Edward Rosten wrote:
> I'll use this as an oppertunity to bitch about RatHead 7.0
>
> RH6.2 shipped with a kernel that had the ide-scsi driver compiled as a
> module, so getting a CD-R to work was a trivial business. RH7.0, however
> have not deemed ide-scsi.o as a worthy module to be shipped with a kernel
> and have not bothered, so getting the CD-R working involved a little
> recompiling. Grrr.
>
> What the hell is worng with ide-scsi.o? They ship the kernel RPM with
> every bloody module under the sun except that one.
>
> Hopefully they can do the 10 minutes extra work and ship with that module in 7.1
>
> -Ed
It's quite easy to use a CD-R with ide-scsi compiled in the kernel.. Just add the
following line to /etc/lilo.conf
append="hdd=ide-scsi"
But you don't have to worry about this with Redhat 7.1 . I just installed it and
it automatically detected my CD-R and inserted that line for me. In fact, this
was the easiest Redhat install ever. Sound, graphics card, display and CD-R were
all properly detected and configured during the install.
Gary
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Mafia$oft incompetance on display..
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:56:27 -0700
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> > >
> > > 1. Set up 25 Unix machines, all ready to roll out except for the users' data.
> > > 2. RCP the data from the 5,000 LoseDOS machines to the Windows machines.
> > > 3. change the entries in the DNS server.
> > > 4. install Linux on the 5,000 LoseDOS servers, and donate them to schools.
> > >
> > > 2-month operation, at most!
> > >
> > If they are using Exchange server, Step 2 would require the migration of
> > data from a proprietary format. That would take most of the time.
>
> tr, sed, awk, and perl are your friends.
Still, you would have to do a bit of experimenting in order to get the
data over. Microsoft isn't going give away the specs. for Exchange's data
format. In my previous career as tech support, I was called upon more
than once to restore a lost or deleted email message from Exchange server.
You must setup another server, play the backup tape and restore the entire
monster. Then you can go in a pick out individual messages. The great
wisdom of sticking everything in one gigantic file.
Unix tools are second to none for a task like this. I wrote my first Perl
program which converted data from stored data from various pipe inspection
sensors. The company that produced the old software had long been out of
business. I was able to capture the screen output into a disk file and
let Perl have a go at it. Then it was a simple process to import the data
into the new application. It generated a 65 megabyte text file (~1.5 meg
lines) in about 15 minutes on a Pentium II and Red Hat 5.1
>
> > 5,000
> > Exchange servers for a 100,000,000 users seems extremely optimistic. Is
> > there any site where Exchange server handles 20,000 users? Where I work,
> > 17 Exchange servers are used for 16,000 users. About one server per one
> > thousand users. Hotmail would need at least 100,000 servers. You would
> > need a city of MSCE's just to reboot and apply security patches.
>
> A couple of Sun E10000 clusters, hooked into a fleet of EMC disk arrays
> could handle this all just fine. A typical elementary school gymnasium
> (regulation basketball court size) should be enough room for the Suns
> and EMC boxes.
>
I have never worked on a big system although I have done some on a
Honeywell TDC 3000. Very fast. As reliable as the sun rising in the
morning. If it is not, refineries blowup and people die. The one I worked
on was set to monitor 2200 data points 300 time a second. Not bad for
1980's technology. The engineers I worked for always reminded me that the
Honeywell is a "process contoller." They did not want their own company's
IT department to think that they had a computer.
> >
> > > --
> > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > Unix Systems Engineer
> > > DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > > ICQ # 3056642
> > >
> > <snip>
> > Michael Vester
> > A credible Linux advocate
> >
> > "The avalanche has started, it is
> > too late for the pebbles to vote"
> > Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
Michael Vester
A credible Linux advocate
"The avalanche has started, it is
too late for the pebbles to vote"
Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: The X-Box and monopoly was: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: 17 Apr 2001 20:49:02 -0600
Paul Repacholi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Bernd Paysan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Russell Easterly wrote:
>
> > > I have always wondered how Microsoft can have a monopoly on the
> > > Intel-Compatible market but Intel doesn't have a monopoly. I
> > > guess monopoly is in the eye of the Justice Dept.
>
> > Intel does have a monopoly (the market share of Intel compatible
> > processors Intel has is still over 70%, despite of what AMD tries to
> > rip out of that cake). It is not illegal to have a monopoly in the
> > USA, it is illegal to leverage a monopoly in one market to gain
> > monopolistic power in another market.
>
> Isn't this exactly what the goat of Redmond are doing? Using the huge
> cash reserves of windoze to bulldoze the oposition in the games
> machine market? A billion dollars for the US launch for example.
>
> So why has no one moved to block them?
There's nothing wrong with investing a billion dollars into a new game
machine; they'll be in trouble only if they leverage their Windows
market share to kill off rival game systems. I have no idea how they
could possibly do that... in fact, I hope the X-Box is a wild success
so that they won't be so paranoid about losing the OS market (which
they will, eventually).
--
It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a slot on your ATX videoboard
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windoze is dying....
Date: 17 Apr 2001 20:51:06 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) writes:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Martigan
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:44:12 GMT
> <whyC6.30230$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Ray Chason wrote:
> >
> >> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/04/13/1236215&mode=thread
> >>
> >> Well, well, well. It seems the almighty Redmond Empire can't get
> >> its Xbox out on time.
> >>
> >> Guess Windoze must be dying.
> >>
> >>
> >If I may, has M$ been able to get anything out on time? Heck could they
> >even get the SR's out on time?
>
> Well, they did get Win95 out in '95 and Win98 out in '98, so....
> ...then again, they might have just remained Win97...
>
> :-)
Except that Chicago was *supposed* to ship in 93.
> I think you mean "console", but in any event, it might be better to
> just have existing game consoles (Nintendo, Sega, etc.) run Linux
> than to have a Linux/PC game console. Presumably, it has more
> to do with marketing than anything else -- and I for one haven't been
> following Indrema that closely.
It's dead.
--
It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a slot on your ATX videoboard
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: Why left-wing communist assholes hate Reagan. (was Re: Communism,
Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.)
Date: 18 Apr 2001 02:53:57 GMT
On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:12:30 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>>
> Actually, they still do. They use a front-end loader, and dump a couple
> of tons of rock on the condemned.
>
> It's quite instantaneous.
Read the URL.
>> On Women's rights:
>>
>> It's amusing that you suggest that women there are treated better -- they can't
>> drive, and can't go anywhere without a mans permission. THey can't pursue
>> a career of choice. Read it and weep ...
>
> Crimes against women are FAR lower...primarily because women there
> don't go around pretending to be men.
Yeah, I suppose driving a car, or going out without a male relative, or
not wearing correct muslim attire, or work is "pretending to be a man".
Just out of curiosity, do you impose these sorts of restrictions on your
girlfriend ?
You pretend to be such a passionate advocate of freedom, but now you are
showing your true colors by coming clean with the fact that think that
only men are entitled to any freedom at all (and even the men have fairly
limited freedom, apart from freedom to rape and beat their wives and
servants)
As for crimes against women being lower, it's a contentious claim. First,
if women in the US never went out without an accompanying male relative,
I suppose crimes against women would decrease.
===
The Government does not keep statistics on spousal or other forms of violence
against women. However, based on the limited amount of information available
regarding physical spousal abuse and violence against women, such violence and
abuse appear to be a problem. Hospital workers report that many women are
admitted for treatment of injuries that apparently result from spousal
violence. Some foreign women have suffered physical abuse from their Saudi
husbands. A Saudi man can prevent his wife and any child or unmarried adult
daughter from obtaining an exit visa to depart Saudi Arabia (see Section
2.d.).
===
BTW, I forgot to mention (again, no freedom)
===
In public a woman is expected to wear an abaya, a black garment covering the
entire body, and to also cover her head and face. The Mutawwa'in generally
expect women from Arab countries, Asia, and Africa to comply more fully with
Saudi customs of dress than they do Western women; nonetheless, in recent
years they have instructed Western women to wear the abaya and cover their
hair. In 1997 Mutawwa'in continued to admonish and harass women to wear their
abayas and cover their hair.
===
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.arch
Subject: Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant
Date: 17 Apr 2001 21:04:14 -0600
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Alexis Cousein wrote:
> >
> > > Craig Kelley wrote:
> > >
> > > > Too bad IA32 chips run faster than Alphas now. :)
> > >
> > > Too bad they're IA*32*, though, and can't address more than 4GB.
> >
> > Each *process* can't address more than 4GB.
>
> Each process can't address more than 4GB at a time. With VLM extensions a
> process can address up to 64GB.
And, I'll wager even more than that as soon as we need it. The IA32
market is nothing, if not ingenious. You can deride it or stick your
nose up at it, but it still continues to out-perform the general-use
competition. Of course NUMA machines and such out-perform it, but
that's a very different market.
--
It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a slot on your ATX videoboard
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Perl and Tcl/Tk: How important are they?
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:37:28 -0700
"Bryant Charleston, MCSE" wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
>
> I'm a Linux newbie and I'm reading through a few books and practicing
> hands-on to learn Linux -- then Unix. A couple of the books spend quite a
> bit of time addressing scripting languages like Perl and Tcl/Tk. As a newbie
> to Linux, I'd like to get some feedback on how important these (or any
> other) scripting languages are in the real world.
>
> 1) Should I skip these and continue to learn and master the basic CLI
> commands FIRST, or learn them along w/the CLI?
Do you mean the shell? There are several included with every Linux
distribution.
> 2) Which of these scripting languages are the most important?
Depends on what you are doing. I invested time in learning Perl. It can do
anything the shell and much, much more. Also, Perl is on just about every
Unix/Linux system out there. Start at www.cpan.org
> 3) Are there other important scripting languages that are also widely used
> that I should be aware of?
>
With Unix/Linx scripting languages, learning one gives you a great
foundation to learn another. And welcome to the side of light. I too was
once a losedos user and tech support of losedos networks.
> Thanks for the feedback!
>
> --
>
> ...................................................
> Bryant Charleston
> A+ Network + MCSE (NT4)
> Linux (RedHat 7) Enthusiast
>
> ....................................................
--
Michael Vester
A credible Linux advocate
"The avalanche has started, it is
too late for the pebbles to vote"
Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hartmann Schaffer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ?
Date: 17 Apr 2001 23:25:11 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Franek wrote:
>Nah, it's an urban legend. I can't remember the details, but they got some
>database glitch
>or something of this sort. Not related to NT, but to the program that ran
>on it. But it's
>such an tasty story that NT is so bad it even incapacitated the Navy ship
>that it's
>impossible to disbelieve it--even though it's not true <G>. Well, that's
>the stuff what
>urban legends are made of ! ;^)
maybe the problem was with the application, but didn't it take nt down with
it?
--
hs
================================================================
"The cheapest pride is national pride. I demonstrates the lack of
characteristics and achievements you can be proud of. The worst loser
can have national pride" - Schopenhauer
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thaddeus L Olczyk)
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: The X-Box and monopoly was: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 03:25:47 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 17 Apr 2001 20:49:02 -0600, Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>There's nothing wrong with investing a billion dollars into a new game
>machine; they'll be in trouble only if they leverage their Windows
>market share to kill off rival game systems. I have no idea how they
>could possibly do that... in fact, I hope the X-Box is a wild success
>so that they won't be so paranoid about losing the OS market (which
>they will, eventually).
Uhm. Get a clue.
The reason the X-Box was invented was that ( supposedly ) the
Playstation II was supposed to allow one to allow one to surf the net.
As Playstation evolved it would have acquired the capabilities of a
home computer. That would have given Microsoft a competitor with
a very large installed base. Worse yet, that base would have been
relatively young, precisely not the kind of people want using a
competing platform. Therefore they invent the X-Box as a competitor
to screw with Sony.
They've done it before, ie Netscape and GO computing ( the predecessor
to PalmOS ), to name a couple.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Ejercito)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 03:25:19 GMT
On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:26:20 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(silverback) wrote:
>On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:31:34 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Mathew wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh Capitalist have murdered their onw population as well.
>>>
>>
>>MURDERED? Millions of their own populace? really?
>>
>>Do tell.
>>
>>Accuracy counts, so be precise.
>>
>
>sure 100K killed on the job yearly
Proof? And ebign killed on the job is usually not murder.
Michael
Michael
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Crossposted-To: rec.photo.digital,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lucas Tam)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 03:45:24 GMT
I agree with you 100%.
In private you can say what you like, but in public you have to respect
others.
"Big Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>To put this as simply as possible, you (or anyone else) are entitled to
>use whatever language you wish while standing in your own living room.
>And you can stand there naked and paint yourself purple for all I care.
>However, go to a public park, restaurant, street corner, and try it, and
>you'll find that you no longer have that right...try it and find out.
>When you get out, let us know if you still think that. This is a public
>newsgroup.
>
>Big Bob
>
>
>
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From: "JS PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS and ISP's
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:56:44 -0400
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, JS PL
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Sun, 15 Apr 2001 05:23:33 -0400
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> JS PL wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >
> >> > > Look, martha...he still can't see it.
> >> > >
> >> > > Heheheheh
> >> >
> >> > Look Martha, he still can't prove he's not a Windows98 luser.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Prove that I am.
> >
> >I just did. And did it by your own standards.
> >
> ><Kulkis quote>
> >Microsoft itself has not challenged Judge Jackson's "Findings of FACT"
> >Therefore it is a LEGAL FACT that Microsoft is a monopoly.
> ></Kulkis quote>
> >
> >You haven't challenged this group's finding , therefore you are a Windows
98
> >luser.
>
> Just out of curiosity, what would be the requirements for a successful
> challenge? Aaron has already commented on his "camouflage" defense;
> one issue with it is that camouflage, when ripped, is not as useful.
> Presumably, what you're asking is for him to rip his disguise off,
> thereby proving to the world that:
>
> (a) he's able to change headers, and
> (b) that no one should pay attention to his headers.
There is nothing in his headers which points to his specific computer. So I
don't buy the disguise bit. There's no reason to disguise his OS when no one
has an IP address to his computer. That's like wearing a disguise even
though your completely invisible. He's running Windows 98 and lying about
it.
Besides if he did post his IP adddress, the disguise wouldn't matter.
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