Linux-Advocacy Digest #710, Volume #28 Mon, 28 Aug 00 14:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Jason McNorton)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("JS/PL")
Re: Linux..a trip down memory lane.. (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Donovan
Rebbechi)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Donovan
Rebbechi)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Donovan
Rebbechi)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Donovan
Rebbechi)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Donovan
Rebbechi)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
How low can they go...? (fungus)
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From: Jason McNorton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:01:37 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> True. I spend a lot of time trying to educate ignorant people like you.
> Unfortunately, you're looking less and less trainable every day.
More like reneducation.. (simpsons reference).
You'd probably get a LOT further in your quest to make everyone think and
act just like you do if you were less heavy handed and insulting.
I realize all this independent non-Joe thought irks you to death, but if
you were nicer you might win a few converts.
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:19:03 -0400
"Jason McNorton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > True. I spend a lot of time trying to educate ignorant people like you.
> > Unfortunately, you're looking less and less trainable every day.
>
> More like reneducation.. (simpsons reference).
>
> You'd probably get a LOT further in your quest to make everyone think and
> act just like you do if you were less heavy handed and insulting.
>
> I realize all this independent non-Joe thought irks you to death, but if
> you were nicer you might win a few converts.
Max doesn't understand "nice", therefore he always gets treated like that.
He sets himself up to be the laughing stock and whipping boy on purpose for
some reason.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Linux..a trip down memory lane..
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:23:46 GMT
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<end sarcasm>
:-)
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:22:14 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Use Linux?
Indubitably. Also FreeBSD, Solaris, HP-UX, AIX, OSF/1 (Tru64?), QNX,
and even that old klunker Xenix, which is nevertheless a workable
alternative, if one wants truly ancient (it was created when 286s
were in vogue).
And even Windows 95//98/98SE/Me/NT3.51/NT4/2k, whatever
works for you.
>
>Yea sure, and I would love to drive that 1975 Chrysler
>you have sitting in your garage.
Since I don't have one, you'll have to forgive me if I don't
allow you to drive it. :-) (I think my grandfather had a
nice 1963 pushbutton tranny Chrysler at one point, though.)
Besides, the original Unices didn't have X, shared libraries, TCP/IP,
C++, modular loading, or NFS. Unix now has all of these, as does Linux.
(In fact, I think Unix developed many of these first.)
>
>Linux is like a visit back in time... It takes operations that are
>simple under Windows, and turns them into a mess of reading,
>programming and general wasting of time.....
And these operations would be what, specifically? I'm curious.
>It's all about applications and one quick look at freshmeat.net
>shows a collection of fragmented and useless applications only a
>true idiot could love.
Again, which apps specifically? I will say this for Microsoft;
Office is extremely convenient. (Dangerous, in light of such
offerings from the user community as ILOVEU and Melissa,
annoying because of that paper clip, and insidious because
it encourages certain proprietary file formats by default,
but convenient, nonetheless.)
>
>Try Netscape some time (Windows version will do)
Netscape != Linux. Netscape has some problems -- in fact, it has a
*lot* of problems. On HP-UX, for example, it bus-errors often.
On Linux, Java applets will cause it to hang in a peculiar state
that can only be rectified by the dreaded 'kill -9', which I
suspect could leave some semaphores dangling.
No, I'm not happy with Netscape. IE works reasonably well
for me here at work, although it hiccups now and again; sometimes
I have to click on a link twice, and it hangs on a rare occasion.
Of course, the entire OS hiccups on me now and again; the most
prominent hiccup being the loss of balloon help/tooltips
when one passes the mouse button over the icons on the bottom
Start/control bar; that one is "fixed" by logging out and logging
in again. I've also seen some other peculiar behavior that leads
me to believe that NT is not the most reliable of operating
systems when it comes to presentation of icons.
(Damned registry.)
>and see what you think...Oh
>yea, "several" browsers are in the works for Linux...Think
>they will ever see the light of day?
>
>Doubtful....
Agreed, although lynx is pretty good for text-only.
I'll have to try Amaya again -- last time it was
pretty problematic -- and see what Mnemonic is up to.
And then there's old grand-daddy Mosaic; I assume that's
still around.
>
>
>My advice?
>
>If you are interested, try Linux and see for yourself...
>
>http://www.cheapbytes.com
>
>You will soon become another dis-satisifed customer...
>
>Linux is even worse than a piece of shit, it is more like a
>septic tank filled with fresh sewerage....
>
>Shit, what do you expect for $1.99?
You overpaid. I can download it for free. :-) (Note, however, that
there are certain fixed costs related to operating a computer and
the Internet connection; these costs for me are $30/month for
a 56k line -- which is looking like an anachronism in this increasingly
DSL/Cable world, but I'm not quite ready to switch yet.)
>
>Billy
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- maybe I'll hold out for fiber optic
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: 28 Aug 2000 17:23:53 GMT
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:25:10 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>Because to "fix" it European or Oriental style means giving MORE
>control to the same people who are fucking it up already.
How so ?
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: 28 Aug 2000 17:31:59 GMT
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:31:25 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>> They don't refuse to do so. The problem is that "discipline" doesn't
>> always work.
>
>Then expel them.
Your emphasis on "expelling" people is not going to raise educational
standards. In short, you seek to raise "performance" statistics by
hiding weaker students from those statistics. In short, this is a scam,
because it doesn't do anything to increase the nation's education level.
It merely makes certain statistics easier to misapply.
>> And then where do they go? Again, if you don't pay for their schooling
>> now, you'll be paying for their incarceration later.
>
>Where they will serve as an example to others.
"serve as an example" ? If the point of the criminal justice system was
to "make examples" of people, wouldn't it be more effective to publically
execute them or stone them to death ?
Be aware that the kind of barbarism you are advocating no longer exists
in civilised countries.
>> What "left-wing indoctrination" would this be? Teaching kids about
>
>Global warming and other Eco-leftism
What is wrong with discussing environmental issues in schools ? I don't
recall any given view being "pushed".
>Pro-homosexuality propaganda
Why are you so strongly opposed to homosexuality ? I notice you offered no
rebuttal to my argument that your logic points to homosexuality being a
good thing ( since breeding is not a side effect of homosexual activities )
So what's the problem, are you just a closet bigot ?
>Socialism
Pffft. Whatever.
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: 28 Aug 2000 17:33:53 GMT
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:30:05 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
[ absurd conspiracy rant snipped ]
>Do you not have a brain capable of figuring this out yourself?
No, I don't. My brain does not "figure things out" based on the conspiracy
rants of a usenet kook.
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: 28 Aug 2000 17:37:09 GMT
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:33:55 GMT, Joe R. wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>(Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
>
>Actually, no. It's a private school not affiliated with any religion.
>
>It's interesting how people assume whatever would strengthen their
>position when it would be very easy to ask.
I was not expediently making assumptions to "strengthen my position". But
I recall you posting something about Catholic schools, I can't remember
exactly what it was. I mistakenly got the idea that the Catholic school
you mentioned was the one you sent your kids to.
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: 28 Aug 2000 17:38:53 GMT
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:47:02 -0300, Roberto Alsina wrote:
>Aaron, are you claiming that there is a conspiracy between school
>teachers in the US, and, say, the french education minister, to
>make the french students superior to the US ones?
That's exactly it ! It's a global conspiracy, man !
--
Donovan
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:34:30 -0400
Roberto Alsina wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" escribió:
>
> > > > But the USA is the only country where the leftists have committed
> > > > to causing societal collapse from within. If the US is weakened,
> > > > the rest of the world is easily blackmailed.
> > >
> > > What exactly are you talking about? The more "leftist" countries, on
> > > average, have lower poverty rates and better educational systems than we
> > > do. How do you account for this? Do they simply have fewer of these
> >
> > The leftists in THIS country are in collaboration with the leftists
> > in the other countries. The overall goal is to weaken the US relative
> > to the other countries, so that the US will become even weaker than
> > them. Simply put...a large percentage of the education establishment
> > should be put on trial for treason.
> >
> > Do you not have a brain capable of figuring this out yourself?
>
> Aaron, are you claiming that there is a conspiracy between school
> teachers in the US, and, say, the french education minister, to
> make the french students superior to the US ones?
The NEA leadership is overrun with Marxists.
>
> --
> Roberto Alsina
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:35:33 -0400
"Joe R." wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Joe Ragosta wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <fYkq5.20221$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Myers"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >
> > > > > It's simple: FUCK THEM!
> > > > >
> > > > > They had their chance to avail themselves to an
> > > > > education...AND THEY ****CHOSE**** not to partake.
> > > >
> > > > As easy as it sounds, that's not America. America was
> > > > built by successful, hard-working, independant people.
> > > >
> > > > Up until the socialist democrats came into power, is
> > > > continuing in that fashion.
> > > >
> > > > Now we have career welfare familys and single-parent
> > > > households whose only source of income is having
> > > > more children and slinging dope to buy that cadillac
> > > > while their children starve (yes, I've seen this happen
> > > > with my own eyes. I've seen families appear before court
> > > > who wouldn't pay their bills, their children had been
> > > > starving and were seized by Child Services but they had
> > > > two pedigree dogs that they fed gourmet dog food to)
> > > >
> > > > They've created a society of incompetent, uneducated,
> > > > worthless voters with which they can manipulate into
> > > > voting for them every election because "those mean
> > > > spirited Republicans" want to take everything away
> > > > and actually make them productive and self-reliant
> > > > again.
> > > >
> > >
> > > There's an interesting case I read about in the paper today. The
> > > government siezed custody of a 3 year old kid who weighed 120 lb, even
> > > though the doctors said that there was no immediate threat to her
> > > health. They claimed that there was no metabolic disorder (although "we
> > > couldn't find a metabolic disorder" would have been more plausible).
> > >
> > > So what do they do for an encore? Start taking kids away from parents
> > > who smoke? Start locking people up who are overweight?
> > >
> > > It's interesting that the Government who said that Elian should go home
> > > because parents should raise their children (a sentiment I agree with)
> > > was willing to take a kid away from her parents because she was
> > > overweight.
> >
> > Obesity correlates very highly with declining IQ.
>
> Possible, but irrelevant.
>
> >
> > In this case, the 3-year old is a "proxy" for the parent's own eating
> > habits. (how much you want to bet that the parents each weigh
> > at least *double* the ideal weight on the 1959 Met Life charts?)
>
> So what it they are? I thought you were advocating that parents should
> have the responsibility to bring up children as they wish with no
> governmental involvement?
I am. If parents want to turn their own progeny into that which
will have no chance to reproduce themselves...
So much the better for the rest of us.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:49:24 -0300
"Aaron R. Kulkis" escribió:
>
> Roberto Alsina wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" escribió:
> >
> > > > > But the USA is the only country where the leftists have committed
> > > > > to causing societal collapse from within. If the US is weakened,
> > > > > the rest of the world is easily blackmailed.
> > > >
> > > > What exactly are you talking about? The more "leftist" countries, on
> > > > average, have lower poverty rates and better educational systems than we
> > > > do. How do you account for this? Do they simply have fewer of these
> > >
> > > The leftists in THIS country are in collaboration with the leftists
> > > in the other countries. The overall goal is to weaken the US relative
> > > to the other countries, so that the US will become even weaker than
> > > them. Simply put...a large percentage of the education establishment
> > > should be put on trial for treason.
> > >
> > > Do you not have a brain capable of figuring this out yourself?
> >
> > Aaron, are you claiming that there is a conspiracy between school
> > teachers in the US, and, say, the french education minister, to
> > make the french students superior to the US ones?
>
> The NEA leadership is overrun with Marxists.
What's the NEA?
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:36:33 -0400
"Joe R." wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jason McNorton
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Said Chad Irby in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Said Chad Irby in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >Note that the two major US sub disasters of the last half-century
> > > > >> >occurred in deeper waters, and were over in a couple of seconds.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Well, that's the story you heard, at least. When and where were
> > > > >> they,
> > > > >> precisely?
> > > > >
> > > > >Start with the Thresher.
> > > > >
> > > > >It's interesting how you know so much about submarine accidents, but
> > > > >don't know about either of the two major American ones of the last
> > > > >half-century...
> > > >
> > > > What made you think I knew anything specific about submarine
> > > > accidents?
> > > > I posted on emotional refutation against somebody's contention that
> > > > they
> > > > were, essentially, quick and painless, as I read it.
> > >
> > > So, IOW, you don't know what you're talking about, but you don't mind
> > > spewing your feelings as if they're supposed to replace facts.
> >
> > This is, afterall, usenet.. It's not a court of law where you're under
> > oath. Who cares if he wants to speak emotional opinions or not.
>
> Because he somehow thinks that his emotional feelings should overrule
> all the world's facts?
That is the model that liberals use.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: fungus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: How low can they go...?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:00:33 GMT
Jen wrote:
>
> On 22 Aug 2000 16:46:42 -0700, petilon
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Many MS supporters opposed the idea of NCs
>
> Not to mention the buying public. Just ask Larry.
The MS supporters prefer to keep handing over their $$$
to get their hands on "the only(sic) operating system
designed just for you and your home PC."
http://shop.microsoft.com/product/windows/msline.htm
$289 for Windows ME...
...that's MORE EXPENSIVE than Windows 2000 Professional.
I don't want to get overly cynical here[1] but it seems to
me like this is a marketing excercise to find out just how
ignorant/gullible the "buying public" really is.
--
<\___/>
/ O O \
\_____/ FTB.
[1] I'm sure that this *must* be more that Windows 98 with a
copy of the latest Windows Media Player added.... right?
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