Linux-Advocacy Digest #870, Volume #28 Sun, 3 Sep 00 22:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: How low can they go...? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Open lettor to CommyLinux Commy's, and all other commy's to. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools (Courageous)
Re: How low can they go...? ("D'Arcy Smith")
Re: How low can they go...? ("D'Arcy Smith")
Re: Sun cannot use Java for their servers!! (Gary Hallock)
Re: How low can they go...? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How low can they go...? ("D'Arcy Smith")
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Whats a good starting point? ("Ingemar Lundin")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Anybody Wanna Fuck My Virgin Whiteboy Ass? (SOMERTON KENNEDY)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 21:35:43 -0400
JS/PL wrote:
>
> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Said JS/PL in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> > >
> > >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> Its a nightmare, to be sure. I'm afraid its worse than anyone's even
> > >> begun to realize. (Well, anyone that still supports Microsoft in any
> > >> large degree.)
> > >
> > >You support them to a large degree. You use their operating system by
> > >choice.
> > >
> >
> > Hahahahahaha. Hahahaha. Hahahaa.
> >
> > "By choice?" Hahahahaha.
> >
> > You are insane. I use it, yes. But not by choice, no. I use it
> > because they've succeeded in making it too inconvenient for me to
> > feasibly and economically avoid. They've monopolized. Of course I use
> > it. Of course its not by choice.
> >
> > My company pays for it; I certainly wouldn't. The *only* reason I use
> > Windows, or any Microsoft software, at this point (years ago I would
> > have voluntarily used Word and Excel, but they've gone seriously
> > down-hill, and weren't really all that good to begin with) is because of
> > the monopoly.
>
> How come the monopoly forces you to use it but not the other millions of
> users who get by without it? Is there a guy from MS standing next to you
> with a gun to your head? Or are you lying again.
>
> No one is FORCING you to use any operating system. Shit or get off the pot,
4 years ago, you basically had NO choice, as most vendors were
specifically
held hostage by Microsoft
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.society.anarchy,alt.atheism,talk.politics.misc,alt.christnet,alt.flame.niggers
Subject: Re: Open lettor to CommyLinux Commy's, and all other commy's to.
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 21:36:53 -0400
Tim Palmer wrote:
>
> Its' Labar day now and every Commy-loving Lie-nux Commy and his dog that
>cappitollists
> paid for think's
> that working peopal bilt this cuontry all by themselfs but let me teal you peepal
> tht they coulda'nt
> done it without capptittallists and there monney. Labar is just a commoddity
> like the masheans it
> opporates. Without Cappitol it just sits thear like a stuppit hoarse or a mual.
> People that want labarers
> to halve all the power want us to be like country's whear poeple like to kill
> each other all the time,
> like Kosovo thoas peppel are fucked up aren't thay? But hear inthe US, we halve
> LAWS. And LAWS protect
> all teh smart peeple with the monney from all the stuppit broots out thear
> that want to take it all
> away and blow it off on hookers and beer and destroy society.
>
> If it wasant' for capitlists, you'd all still be living on farm's, working 20
> ours a day and then
> you'd half to fite off the primait Indions the other for hours and you think
> that 12 is bad? And the
> governmant wouldnt of got rid of the indions withotu cappitol either they wood
> of just let them run all
> over the plaice and we'd halve a MESS today but the capittolists said NO
> THEAS STUPPIT INDIONS ARE
> CAUSTING US MONNY GET RID OF THEM RITE NOW!
>
> Commy union's are gettign what they want now becoze thear is a labar shortadge
> (we halvent replaced it
> all with tecknollogy yet), and all they reelly do is make everyboddy pour even
> the workors. They make
> company's worhtless and noboddy want's to by there stalk so thay half to sell
> it real cheap. We half to
> get rid of union's and there stupit dimmands for higher wages and job securety.
>
> Lixnu is getting stronger to, because company's don't realize how mutch munny
> their losing when they
> don't run Windows. They halve so mutch monny they don't know what to due with
> it, so they make all there
> workors diddle around with Linux all day, and they make Microsoft's stalk go
> down the toob, wich makes
> everyboddy lose monny, because who doesant own Microsoft stalk except Linux
> zellots and those stupit
> peopel at McDonnalds that always get the order rong. Meanwhile, the CommyLinux
> CommyVirus is gettign put
> in place, and pretty soon we'll all half to surrendor to the Commy's because
> if we don't our computors will
> crash and itl'l be like Y2K with no ellectrissitty and all that Capitol has
> done for uss wil be destroyed.
Good god, are the public schools in Redmond that lousy these days?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Courageous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 01:45:38 GMT
> > > "global warming" is a NON-event that ...
I think it is a mistake to refer to global warming as a non-event,
although it would be a valid criticism to say that you believed that
current warming trends are a natural part of earth's cycle, and would
be occuring with or without the influence of mankind.
That's my belief, anyway.
C//
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From: "D'Arcy Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 01:46:09 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> No, I meant 'huh' as in "you are able to choose -- that said, I'm all
> for GPL DVD." If you don't support the person who decided there was no
> need to pay for a license, why do you support his software?
Where do you get the idea one way or the other on what
I support for licensing Windows? I didn't make any statements
to show support/lack of support as far as I know... If you are
not talking about WIndows but instead are talking about DVD
(thought I don't know how) the same thing applies.
> Or, should
> I say; if you support the reverse engineering of DVD, why did you
> prattle on about how "you have a choice; just buy a license"?
Did I ever say that I supported having to buy a license? NO.
I EXPLICITLY said that my post did not reflect my position.
..darcy
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From: "D'Arcy Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 01:47:45 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said D'Arcy Smith in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >Ah... well too bad I am only looking at it from a technical
> >> >view point then......................
> >> Yes, I'd say that's too bad. For your argument, that is. The
> >> discussion is an ethical one, not a technical one. The question isn't
> >> "how do we get permission"; the question is "why would we need
> >> permission?"
> >There is nothing in the conversation thus far to indicate that it is
> >an ethical question... see other posting for the summary of the
> >conversation thus far.
> I'm getting the feeling we're talking about two different things. DVD
> licensing is not a technical issue.
Getting DVD software onto non-MS systems is a technical issue.
The licensing issue is thus technical in that context.
..darcy
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Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 21:50:06 -0400
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sun cannot use Java for their servers!!
Ingemar Lundin wrote:
> eh?
>
> well you see...Windows *has* support for practically *any* ide cd-rw...so
> whats your point?
>
The point seems obvious to me. Linux *has* support for practically *any* ide
cd-rw. So, what was your point?
Gary
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: 4 Sep 2000 01:50:57 GMT
On Sun, 1 Sep 3900 01:34:49, Zenin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> blessed us with these
henscratchings:
> Simon Cooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :> Said Simon Cooke in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >snip<
> :> >> Proprietary file formats: msword, msxcel.
> :> >
> :> >Documented in MSDN -- certainly, Star Office, AbiWord et al have no
> :> >difficulty reading them.
> :>
> :> PTTHTHTHTHH! "Documented". Ha!
> :
> : Ha! back at you. Other apps read them fine. Even thinkfree doesn't have any
> : problems.
>
> Have you tried to write applications that can read them? Other
> didn't manage to do it because they were so well
> documented...typically they managed to reverse engineer the majority
> of the format.
>
> It's the same thing the WINE project has done for Win32; *huge*
> parts of which are completely and totally undocumented.
Aw, gee, you can't go on indenting like this-
we'll be thinking it's Jedi ! ! 8^))
--
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From: "D'Arcy Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 01:52:01 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said D'Arcy Smith in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Said D'Arcy Smith in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> >So no technical ones. Technical ones present a "barrier".
> >> >> No, prohibitive cost presents a barrier.
> >> >You assume that the only people interested in getting a DVD player
> >> >onto a system have no money... not necessarily valid... also not
> >> >(directly) something you can blame MS on.
> >> I presume you mean "blame on MS", and the kicker is that we can.
> >Same thing. And no you cannot.
> Same thing, and yes we can. If it weren't for Microsoft's 'successful
> monopolization' making profiteering the only way to 'compete' and making
> monopolization look like a routine business practice, I doubt the DVD
> situation would even exist.
You doubt wrong IMO. You are only looking at it from an OS
point of view - IFAIK harware based DVD players have the
same sort of licensing issues.
Also the MPAA (or whoever) would still not want the code
to by publicly available. This has nothing to do with MS.
> Its a travesty, from beginning to end.
> And, yes, I blame Microsoft. I blame everyone else who doesn't know
> the difference between "capturing market share" and growing a market,
> but Microsoft is the king of that community, hands down.
Your complaints don't make sense - the people whe force the licensing
of the DVD stuff don't want the code publicly available. That is not
an MS issue. MS didn't create the license... and MS doesn't control
the license.
> >> We
> >> aren't, necessarily, but the fact of the matter is that there isn't
> >> really much of a free market in software these days, because of the
> >> damaging impact, both direct and indirect, of Microsoft's criminal
> >> behavior. But that's beside the point; 'jedi' never mentioned
> >> Microsoft, though I did.
> >Please note that I said "directly".
> Please note that I don't care.
Well thats good - ignore what I am saying because you don't
like it.
> I'm sick to death of having to try to
> wade through a swamp of lies and misdirection to discuss the issues.
> Microsoft has been ripping people off for over a decade and has made
> billions upon billions of dollars doing it, and in that, they inherently
> encourage others to do the same. They are so pathetically and blatantly
> dishonest and monopolistic that so long as they or anyone else insists
> on defending them, I blame them for all the harm I see in people's
> assumption that monopolization is not a crime and that locking in your
> customers is at all acceptable and that ignorance is a virtue to be
> cherished.
And this has what exactly to do with DVD licensing?... or DVD
software existing (or not) on non_MS platforms?
..darcy
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 21:56:58 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said david raoul derbes in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
[...]
Good points, David, and well presented.
>The country's kids have got to be educated much better than they are now.
This seems to be the crux of the issue. And everyone is ready to agree,
from just about every side. So I'll be happy to be the one to stand in
the middle and notice that you're all pointing at the same thing, but
you're all also pointing in different directions from each other.
It sounds so enlightened and aware and emphatic and all, its tough for
me to say "No, they don't, and they can't." The way they're being
educated now must be improved, of course. But that means the 'much
better' is going to have to be eternally in the future. Since it will
never be perfect, it will always need improvement, and so the 'doomsday'
spin of the basic statement is not really fundamentally valid.
But that point is merely a distraction, in the end, from the discussion,
I realize. I just thought it might be worth pointing out. Kids today
are better educated than kids previously, on average and truthfully,
regardless of supposedly objective metrics presented to make a
particular case for a particular improvement. Kids in the future damn
well better be better educated, yes. Education has got to be improved.
But ultimately it is a social, not a political nor economic nor even
moral issue. The only way it'll ever get *any* better than "it" is now,
is for you to go improve your own community's school, and let everyone
else worry about theirs.
>So long as a good education is within reach by essentially all of our
>kids, it is largely immaterial to me how it's accomplished.
I see that as the reason vouchers are bad on the very face of it. They
are, inherently, skimming the cream of the crop away from the community
schools.
>Sorry this is so long; I didn't have the time to make it shorter.
>(stolen, in sense, from Voltaire.)
Thanks for the comprehensive remarks; you have nothing to apologies for.
(And I thought it was Mark Twain.)
--
T. Max Devlin
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of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
Research assistance gladly accepted. --
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From: "Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whats a good starting point?
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 02:06:44 GMT
hello?
you spent a wast amount of time with SuSE Linux and you dont know that you
can disable SuSEconfig (whole or parts of it)in /etc/rc.config ??
good work ;-)
/IL
> I spent a fair share of time using SuSE and wondering where SuSEConfig
> had all its hooks, which kept overriding the manual settings I edited
> into all the config files. After 6.2 I got rather fed up with all that
> and switched to Storm Linux (www.stormix.com), which really is terrific!
> It's based on Debian, but comes with great hardware recognition, all the
> software you could possibly need (vmware, staroffice, et al) and it has
> all the power of a true Debian installation (package management, clarity
> of configuration).
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:18:08 +1000
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:39b122f0$1$yrgbherq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In <8opp9v$t57$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 09/02/00
> at 12:52 PM, "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
>
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:39b06554$1$yrgbherq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>"Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >>
> >>>Max arguing from a position of research is a very rare thing. This
> >>>anti-trust discussion he is in is the first time I've ever seen it, and
is
> >>>fueled more by his irrational hatred of Microsoft rather than any
inherent
> >>>character traits. That doesn't stop him drawing just plain wrong
> >>>conclusions, however.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>NO the problem is YOUR constant M$ cheerleading pea brain that can't see
> >how
>
> >I don't "cheerlead". I post my opinions about some topics and I advocate
NT.
>
> >>that you are squirming around with a wish that M$ will get away with
> >breaking
> >>the law.
>
> >Not in the least. I really couldn't care whether they've broken the law,
> >since I consider the specific law to be wrong, and the law in general to
be a
> >joke.
>
> >Whether Microsoft, as a company, live or die from this I really couldn't
care
> >about - as far as I'm concerned they're just another corporation.
>
> Right now you're squirming around trying not to give an honest answer.
My honest answer is above for you to read. I'll rephrase it if you're
having difficulties.
I advocate NT, not Microsoft.
I disagree with anti-trust law.
I disagree with many parts of the FoF.
I couldn't give a shit if Microsoft live or die.
Comprende ?
> What
> you have said in-between your words is that you are either abnormal since
you
> reject the idea -- that has been accepted by generation after generation
of
> Americans, and the most learned people we have in all these generations --
> that no one man will be permitted to economically control any segment of
> society -- or you are here planting lies for billy boy.
>
> Now you can try and claim that you're on a quest for some ideal (which
does
> not exist since the people the law is aimed are not in any way altruistic
> enough to not run over others when the chance presents itself), or that
you
> are not here an unethical M$ paid troll -- but then we are left with one
of
> two logical choices; either you are complete idiot or a liar.
Where do I claim I'm on a "quest for some ideal" ? What ideal ? What quest
?
I have opinions. I post them. If you have a problem with that then, with
all due respect, you can fuck off.
> >> -- Do you get paid to come here with drivel, or is your lack of life
> >>that brings you here?
>
> >I might ask you the same question.
>
> Trying to point away from your own lack of ethics and brains?
Well, since your postings are filled with at least as much "drivel" as mine,
it's a perfectly fair question to ask.
> >Glad to see you bring up the good ol' "they must be getting paid" line
again
> >- it's getting to be as reliable as Godwin.
>
> The truth is that you never ever answered this question -- so I have to
> conclude that you are not only an M$ owned troll, but don't have enough
> backbone to even admit it.
Sheesh, you are thick. Here, I'll spell it out:
I do not get paid by Microsoft.
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Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 02:09:20 GMT
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