Linux-Advocacy Digest #870, Volume #33 Tue, 24 Apr 01 09:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: More Lies from a Linux "advocate" (Donn Miller)
Re: More Lies from a Linux "advocate" (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (Roberto Alsina)
Re: More Lies from a Linux "advocate" (Donn Miller)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Windows 2000 is Cool (mlw)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (mlw)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Chad Myers")
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (revoquer)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Roberto
Alsina)
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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:15:32 -0400
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Lies from a Linux "advocate"
Wow, a two-fer-one deal - I got to see Aaron's massive sig twice in the
same post.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Lies from a Linux "advocate"
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:21:25 +1200
Ray Chason wrote:
>
> Excuse me, but if y'all must reply to Kooklis, either directly or
> indirectly, woult it be too much to ask to send his Big Wanking Sig
> to /dev/null where all spam belongs?
>
Sorry, its a bad habbit I hope to correct. Anyway, had a look at Hullo's
colourful past, and I wouldn't exactly say he has much of a support
crew.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: 24 Apr 2001 12:23:02 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:21:55 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Roberto Alsina wrote:
>> >The Venona files document that, in fact, I am correct.
>> >Hope that helps.
>>
>> Any particular reason why you didn't say that in the OTHER
>> answer to my post?
>
>
>Bugs the fuck out of you, doesn't it.
Well, perhaps my posts are too complex for you to handle in one
reply.
--
Roberto Alsina
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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:29:42 -0400
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Lies from a Linux "advocate"
Pretty much all of us are ex-Windows users, or have had to deal with
MS products extensively at one time. So, it's not like we're just
taking blind stabs at MS without good reason. Quite frankly, I'm
tired of Microsoft's undeserved popularity. If the economy continues
to go downhill, it would be an excellent time for open source software
to make its breakout, and really lay it on the line. A lot of
high-tech companies are feeling a crunch, and sooner or later, they
may discover that with Linux, they only need to by one CD, instead of
the Microsoft way of paying for a per-machine license.
With MS software, the fact that there's already a glut of MS software
out there creates a need for more MS software because of the avalanche
effect. With the open source software, once companies invest in OSS,
this creates a need for more OSS. So, maybe the recession is an
opportunity for a break-out.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: 24 Apr 2001 12:32:52 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:43:16 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Roberto Alsina wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:48:43 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:21:08 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:08:38 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:52:26 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>> >> >> >> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:34:40 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 01:03:12 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Mathew wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, Gunner© wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >Slavery;child labour
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > As opposed to a 16 yr old working at Burger King?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> A 16 year old at Burger King, where they can only work part
>time,is
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> hardly comparable to 12-14 hour work days of children as young
>as 6.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >In some parts of the world, such work is FAR more useful to the
>child
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >than any high-end education (when living in a 3rd-world shithole,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >lessons on astrophysics are....a luxery. Food on the table is a
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >necessity. Hope that helps).
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> There's a wide spectrum between no education and astrophysics.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> And if you work 12 hours a day at a back-breaking job when you are
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> a kid, you don't get any education.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >What good is an education if you have starved to death?
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> The black-and-whiteness of your mind is amazing.
>> >> >> >> >> >> There is a solution to this: feed the kid at (public) school.
>> >> >> >> >> >> Of course you would believe that kid is stealing your money.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> >> >> Roberto Alsina
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Nope, by Aarons logic, some how the staving child is funded by gold
>from
>> >> >> >> >> >Moscow as to suck in people into this "communist plot" to take over the
>> >> >> >> >> >world whilst using the power of the Democrats, Unions, and other
>> >> >> >> >> >assorted people intertwined into this communist take over of the world.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Here's my guess: Moscow paid unions to make workers vote parties who
>> >> >> >> >> don't see feeding the poor kid as a waste of money (communists!).
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> So, when the government steals Aaron's money to feed the kid
>(communists!)
>> >> >> >> >> the kid is being told that good daddy government (communist!) is feeding
>> >> >> >> >> him, thus he is being indoctrined (little communist!).
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >What part of "taking money from MY kids to feed YOUR kids is THEFT"
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> What part of that what? And who said they are my kids?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >forcibly taking money from MY kids to feed ANY other man's kids is THEFT
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You have kids? The government should require a license for that.
>> >> >
>> >> >Statist asshole.
>> >>
>> >> The government should protect people from danger.
>> >
>> >The US Supreme Court has ruled that the police have ZERO obligation to
>> >protect people from danger. They are only required to investigate crimes.
>> >If they also HAPPEN to protect the people, then that's great...but, legally,
>> >it's not part of the job description (although protecting POLITICIANS is).
>>
>> I don't know how it is up there, but here, the goal of arresting the
>> criminals is to prevent them from committing more crimes, and that
>> counts as protection.
>
>Arresting criminals is necessary, but not sufficient for "protection"
Of course not. But it *is* protection. And it *is* what they do.
So their goals include protection. Now admit you were saying nonsense and move
on.
>that is, you can arrest criminals, but STILL not fulfill any sort of
>supposed obligation "to protect" the public.
Arresting criminals is already protecting the public. It is not all
they could do to protect them? Sure. But it is protecting.
>To protect the public means to prevent the crime from occuring in
>the first place.
That is one of the many things protecting the public means. It also
means many other things.
> In practical terms, this means 2 or more policemen
>on duty standing guard around each and every house each and every night.
Where do you live, west Jerusalem?
>This is in addition to those out patrolling the roads.
>
>Anything less is not protection.
Anything less may be INSUFFICIENT protection.
>> >> Isn't that why people should pay for the army?
>> >
>> >
>> >No. That's why every able-bodied male should SERVE in the army.
>>
>> And buy their own planes, right?
>
>non-sequitor.
Just exposing your bullshit. Without taxes there can not be a modern
army, because just volunteering will not get you the equipment.
Therefore, you ADVOCATE taxes, which you deem enslavement, which you
deem worthy of the death penalty. Now go kill yourself.
>> >We need to bring back the draft so that smart-aleck little cowards
>> >like you will pull your fair share of the load....or rot in jail.
>>
>> When I was in millitary age, there *was* a draft.
>
>did you serve?
Why should I tell you? I sure was drafted.
>> >> >> And you didn't answer the first question.
>> >> >
>> >> >You never answered my question, either.
>> >>
>> >> That was not a question. It was not even a sentence!
>> >>
>> >> >I will ask again. When did you stop raping your daughter?
>> >>
>> >> I don't have a daughter.
>> >>
>> >> >Your answer gets you mine.
>> >>
>> >> There you have it. Your turn.
>>
>> Notice: here Aaron made a promise and broke it.
>
>I answered above.
Nope.
>> >> >> >> >And Theft is slavery.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> No, theft is theft.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Taking the fruits of one person's labor, against their will, for the
>> >> >> >benefit of another person is slavery, is it not?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> No, that's theft.
>> >> >
>> >> >Which is slavery.
>> >>
>> >> No, that's theft, which is not slavery.
>> >
>> >Slavery is nothing more than theft.
>> >
>> >Therefore, theft is slavery.
>> >
>> >Hope that helps, moron.
>>
>> It would help convince a moron indeed. It won't convince anyone
>> with one tenth of a brain, though.
>
>I'm not interested in convincing retards like you. All i need
>to do is convince those people who have a whole brain.
Anyone with a whole brain has a tenth of a brain. I see you didn't get
to see fractions at Perdue, either.
>> >> >> >> >You *DO* know the proper punishment for those who enslave others, don't
>you?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> They become you? Isn't that unusual and cruel?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Do you not believe that those who enslave others forfeit their rights?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Nope. I believe all humans have human rights.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> [1] Taking the money earned by a drug dealer and giving it to the DEA
>> >> >> is not theft, is it Aaron? Yet you are taking the fruits of the dealer's
>> >> >> labour, against their will, for the benefit of other persons.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Theft is defined, among other things, by being against the law.
>> >> >
>> >> >You write like someone who wants to belittle slavery as "mere theft"...
>> >>
>> >> Actually, no. I believe slavery is something much worse than theft.
>> >> Yet you claim theft is slavery. I would say YOU are the one that
>> >> belittles slavery.
>> >>
>> >> >and will then proceed to spin some wild-assed story about why his
>> >> >slavery cum theft is justified.
>> >>
>> >> You, my friend, are confused.
>> >
>> >You obviously don't know about all the different forms of slavery.
>>
>> You obviously don't know about any.
>
>Please tell us why you (erroneously) think slavery is not theft.
Men are not property. Slavery involves treatment of men as property.
>hint, it has NOTHING to do with confinement, nor brutality.
>Hope that helps
I don't even need to use that.
Slavery: the state of entire subjection of one person to the will of another.
That's in the dictionary, look it up. Slavery involves enslavement, not
theft. You can look those up, too.
Theft is theft. It's taking the other person's property illegally.
Slavery is worse. Don't belittle slavery, Aaron.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 is Cool
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:40:39 -0400
Ray Chason wrote:
>
> "Hullo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >It really is great, try it out.
>
> +------------------------+
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> | |
> | Do not feed the troll. |
> | Thank you. |
> | |
> | The Management |
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> | |
> | |
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> * () ( * )(| @( )( * %@ )
> ( )( ))( || (|)| )( )((
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Can I clip this and use it as a .sig? It isn't any bigger than kulkis' and it
is really quite funny (unlike kulkis')
>
> --
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> PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
> Delenda est Windoze
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: 24 Apr 2001 12:36:14 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:12:07 -0700, Gunner © <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 23 Apr 2001 20:05:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina) wrote:
>
>>
>>When I was in millitary age, there *was* a draft.
>
>So...did you serve? They also had Enlistments as well. I take it you
>didn't enlist? Lol
Are you asking me if I was drafted? Sure I was.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: soc.singles,alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:36:24 GMT
Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
>
> windows is a pretty cool system. i like it just fine.
> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>
> men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
> more even than death
> - bertrand russell
Well, stick with it man. We can tell that you two *really* belong
together. No one is trying to deprive you or anything.
jamess
--
"On the side of the software box, in the 'System Requirements' section,
it said 'Requires Windows 95 or better'. So I installed Linux."
-Anonymous
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: 24 Apr 2001 12:36:47 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:05:33 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Gunner ©" wrote:
>>
>> On 23 Apr 2001 20:05:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina) wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >When I was in millitary age, there *was* a draft.
>>
>> So...did you serve? They also had Enlistments as well. I take it you
>> didn't enlist? Lol
>>
>
>Roberto is a coward, who won't even lift a finger in his own defense.
Well, would you be brave enough to do that? I probably won't.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:42:09 -0400
Jan Johanson wrote:
>
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:zU5F6.6825$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:3ae45e41$0$2769$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > > Except that it isn't true. Many companies are finding that an NT/2K
> > > solution is
> > > > not more stable, is not cheaper, is not easier to manage.
> > >
> > > Except that what you just wrote is NOT true. W2K IS much more stable and
> > > cheaper and in every single way imaginable much MUCH easier to manage. I
> > > mean, night and day differences.
> >
> > Stable? Where's the W2K box that's been running for 2 years?
>
> Well - I'd imagine that is about as possible as the linux 2.4 (release
> version) box that's been running for a year. Get it? I'll give you a clue,
> W2K release date < 2 years!
Then find us that statistically significant number of NT boxes that have been
up for two years.
--
I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: 24 Apr 2001 12:37:55 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:43:43 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Roberto Alsina wrote:
>>
>> Chad Everett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >On 23 Apr 2001 19:31:57 GMT, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>Bzzzt. Not everything is a dichotomy.
>> >>In this case, in particular, you are presenting something that is NOT
>> >>a dichotomy as if it were one. That's why it's a FALSE dichotomy.
>> >>
>> >>Don't they teach logic in Perdue?
>> >>
>> >
>> >Oh brother! Roberto lecturing on logic.
>>
>> I actually did precisely that a couple of times. With lanctern and all.
>
>Talk about malpractice.
Wanna discuss Gödel's theorem's proof? Start by proposing an alternate
paradox for the setup.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: 24 Apr 2001 12:38:49 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:43:58 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Roberto Alsina wrote:
>>
>> Chad Everett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >On 23 Apr 2001 19:31:57 GMT, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>Bzzzt. Not everything is a dichotomy.
>> >>In this case, in particular, you are presenting something that is NOT
>> >>a dichotomy as if it were one. That's why it's a FALSE dichotomy.
>> >>
>> >>Don't they teach logic in Perdue?
>> >>
>> >
>> >Oh brother! Roberto lecturing on logic.
>>
>> I actually did precisely that a couple of times. With lanctern and all.
>
>How many malpractice suits were you hit with?
Once again, two responses with pretty much the same content.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:23:51 GMT
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > No wonder you guys are MS haters. You were brainwashed for 4+
> > years about the evils of Corporate america while you were taught
> > archaic technology and then dumped into a Corporate america with
> > no real skills, but lots of knowledge but computer systems which
> > haven't been used in 15 years.
> >
> > College... gotta love it!
> >
> > -c
>
> MS provided alot of the software at the Uni, however, Microsoft was also
> used as the poster child of what happens when you don't follow the
> Software Development Life Cycle properly and try short cuts to save
> time. The whole University relyed on Unix using Samba to connect the
> Wintel clients to the server, I never had any problems the whole I was
> there was never any problems with the server.
>
> Personally, I love capitalism, and Microsoft is living proof of what
> happens when you break the rules of the market place, you get hauled
> through the courts. Look at the UNIX market place, cut throat
> competition between IBM, SUN, SGI and UNISYS, something sorely lacking
> from the consumer marketplace.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. Microsoft got railroaded through
the courts, not hauled. The appealate courts will fix the injustice
committed against them by an admittedly biased and ignorant judge, not
to mention a DOJ with some sort of stupid cause, and a bunch of Attorneys
General who are merely puppets for Microsoft's competitors in their own
state who can't seem to find a way to compete with Microsoft because they're
too inept (Sun, Novell) so they think they can cry to the Government for
help.
-c
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: 24 Apr 2001 12:39:12 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:12:12 -0700, Gunner © <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 23 Apr 2001 20:06:37 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina) wrote:
>
>>Chad Everett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>On 23 Apr 2001 19:31:57 GMT, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Bzzzt. Not everything is a dichotomy.
>>>>In this case, in particular, you are presenting something that is NOT
>>>>a dichotomy as if it were one. That's why it's a FALSE dichotomy.
>>>>
>>>>Don't they teach logic in Perdue?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Oh brother! Roberto lecturing on logic.
>>
>>I actually did precisely that a couple of times. With lanctern and all.
>
>I hope the school got their money back.
What money?
--
Roberto Alsina
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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:43:45 +0000
From: revoquer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
chad ...grow up...
look at the sky and realise its not about to fall on your head.
Make something useful...
l8r
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: 24 Apr 2001 12:42:15 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:11:24 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Roberto Alsina wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:36:12 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Chad Everett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >On 23 Apr 2001 15:59:29 GMT, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >>Chad Everett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >>>On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:03:29 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >>>>Roberto Alsina wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:49:05 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>> >> >>>>> >taking random, unrelated snippets out of context is not victory.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> It is fun. Fun is a small victory.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>So, Roberto, have you stopped raping your daughter?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>His daughter was raped be a raping intruder in his home, but of
>> >> >>>course since his daughter's life was not in danger and he believes
>> >> >>>all killing is wrong (unless YOUR life is threatened), he gave the
>> >> >>>raper some cookies and milk when he was done and sent him on his way.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Well, shooting at someone that's raping a woman is somewhat dangerous
>> >> >>for the woman, is it not? I would rather hit him in the kidneys with
>> >> >>a blunt object.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Killing a rapist in the act of commiting a rape is not self defense.
>> >> >>It can be a justified murder, though. But self defense? Nah.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Ah, so we have just added another reason where killing is justified
>> >> >in Roberto's book.
>> >>
>> >> Sure. I'm sure there's plenty more I haven't thinked yet.
>> >>
>> >> >Justified killing:
>> >> >
>> >> > 1. self defense
>> >>
>> >> Yes.
>> >>
>> >> > 2. killing a rapist in the act of raping
>> >>
>> >> No. Not in all cases. Only if he can not be stopped by other means,
>> >> if killing him doesn't endanger anyone, and so on. I really prefer,
>> >> if at all possible, that the rapist not be killed.
>> >
>> >Remind me to come over to your house and rape your wife.
>>
>> I knew you had that proclivity.
>
>According to you, it's not really all that bad.
Well, I am not the one who goes around showing it. I find it in bad
taste.
>Certainly not bad enough for you to kill me...so...it must not be
>really all that bad...it's more like...theft, right?
Well, I wouldn't kill you for it. I would put you in jail for a long
period of time. Perhaps chemically castrate you.
>> >Remember, according to your rules, you can't kill me!
>>
>> You can't read, either. I may have to kill you. If you make
>
>If I don't threaten your wife's life, then, by your OWN rules,
>you can't kill me.
Nope. You got it wrong.
>I'll be sure to bring a buddy to stand guard and keep you
>from touching me.
What, not man enough to deal with me and a woman?
>> it hard for me to stop you, you gonna end dead, boy. So,
>> don't make it hard (in both senses).
>
>But by your own rules, that is not sufficient cause to kill me.
Whatever gets you killed was good enough reason to kill you.
Reality is the only truth, as Hegel would say.
>By the way, how does it feel to be exposed as a "peace-and-love"
>spewing, violent hypocrite .
You got anything against peace and love? How about kittens
and rainbows?
I am a very non-violent man. That doesn't mean I am stupid.
And you would be stupid to test it.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: 24 Apr 2001 12:44:49 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chad Everett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>But I thought you only supported killing in cases where your
>life was threatened?
You missed the post where I changed my mind. Same thread, two posts
below that one. I said I supposed murder was still justified if it was
made in defense of a defenseless person endangered.
Killing when my life is threatened is what killing in self defense is.
Killing in self defense is not the only kind of killing I think
is right.
I still think other killings are murder, yet I expect not all murders
to be equally unjustifiable.
--
Roberto Alsina
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