Linux-Advocacy Digest #885, Volume #28 Mon, 4 Sep 00 10:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools ("Joe R.")
Re: Computer and memory ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools ("Joe R.")
Re: Computer and memory ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: How low can they go...? ("James A. Robertson")
Re: Computer and memory ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Computer and memory ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools ("Joe R.")
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From: "Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 13:17:47 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Said david raoul derbes in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> [...]
>
> >So long as a good education is within reach by essentially all of our
> >kids, it is largely immaterial to me how it's accomplished.
>
> I see that as the reason vouchers are bad on the very face of it. They
> are, inherently, skimming the cream of the crop away from the community
> schools.
As usual, you're presenting your left wing beliefs as if they were some
sort of gospel truth.
There are an equal number of people who claim that vouchers make it
_more_ likely for a lower income person to get a good education. After
all, the wealthy can afford tuition even without a tax break. Vouchers
might be the only way for some lower income people to get to the private
school.
What a voucher system does is separate those people who care about their
kids' education from those who don't.
If demand for private schools exceeds available space, more schools will
be created.
--
Regards,
Joe R.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 09:11:40 -0400
Grega Bremec wrote:
>
> ...and Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> used the keyboard:
> >
> >"Grega Bremec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>
> >> Besides, the whole post was intended to be a kind of a "parrot mode"
> >> speak, simply revealing to Chad what stupid remark he really made.
> >
> >It was not I who made the first remarks this subject.
>
> Oh, Chad, there you go again. I won't be replying to that other post
> of yours, because abraxas already stepped in my place there, and did
> it in his own special way, too [i got a pleasant belly-ache from
> reading it].
>
> >It was Nigel who made the comment:
> >"Not everyone can afford the internet call cost to download
> > a 50mb service pack every few months as most countries don't
> > have free internet calls and ISDN or above connection speeds"
> >
> >As to imply that I am somehow ignorant to the plight of the rest of the
> >world and that America is somehow trying to put-down the rest of the
> >world and exclude them from its technology.
>
> So you do work for Microsoft afterall? Or what? He didn't mean _YOU_
> personally, AFAICS. Just to refresh your memory:
>
> Olivier Borgeaud said: "Memory is cheap."
> Person 7 replied: "Memory is NOT cheap."
> You (Chad Myers) wobbled: "Yes it is. $1/MB."
> abraxas mildly reminded you:"Not everybody is American."
> Nigel complainned [OT]: "Tell that to Microsoft."
>
> I hope this short repetitory refreshed your memory a bit in order to
> prevent you from disbanding too much of the relevant material in this
> discussion. Now, Nigel was absolutely right in his claim (although not
> quite technically correct or better said, outspoken):
>
> 1. Being from Redmond, USA, Microsoft can offer better transfer
> rates to local (i.e. American) clients. This has oh but
> absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the world still
> dwelling in the 20th century (a.k.a. the dark ages all of the
> sudden); it's a mere technicality, stemming from the fact that
> transfer rates tend to be several orders of magnitude smaller
> when all the little bits and bytes have such a long distance
> to run through, and so many crossings to pass.
>
> 2. Not everybody can _afford_ a fast internet connection. Which
> doesn't mean they don't have the option of getting one, Chad.
>
> [Consider everything written from here on until the end of
> the paragraph to be an objective description of how things go,
> quite uninfluenced by our current debate - just so you'll
> understand a non-american's point-of-view more easily.]
>
> Do remind yourself of the fact that a relatively small number
> of populace (275,562,673 vs. 59,511,464 vs. 1,927,593 [1])
> does mean an automatic upwards shift in fixed expenses as
> opposed to countries which have a plethora of potential users.
> A far greater deal of trouble is involved in some country's
> effort to ensure the same economic quality if they have fewer
> residents than some other, richer in numbers, entity needs
> investing (for various reasons which I'm not in the position
> to discuss at this place). This in particular makes it all
> the more important that proper rules which are to ensure
> just international cooperation and equalized environments
> for know-how exchange be adhered to in international business
> relationships. Yes, I can hear Chad saying something in the
> rough meaning of "Is it our fault nature had given us lakes
> that are fruitful in fish, whereas you only have dirty
> swamps?" No, Chad, _THAT_ is not your fault. However. -v
>
> 3. It is every economy's right to utilize its nature-given
> advantages up to a certain point, from which on that same
> economy's wellfare is endangered. Not by far because of danger
> of that advantage (assuming it's a resource) being exhausted
> somehow; but because utilizing it any further would make it
> difficult for anybody else to pair it or even be able to
> withstand the pressure in that particular industry. In
> losing competition, not only those who are gone are damaged,
> but the "winning" side as well. And since we're not here to
> rewrite Marx, let me conclude this repetitory back to the
> original topic of the discussion.
>
> I hope you can see from these three points that memory is indeed cheap
> in USA, partially because you have a vast market, prepared to virtually
> swallow everything that's presented to it, but partially also because
> that market size enables you to have discounts a whole order of
> magnitude greater than other, smaller countries can, when doing
> business with foreign partners. Do remember that the only
> cost-effective technology for producing RAM circuits is available in
> the Far East. These discounts, among other things, enable your country
> to invest more into technology and provide your science industry with
> better equipment. Better equipment => faster progress.
>
> Everything perfectly OK up to here. Nobody expects USA to be shipping
> fresh HP or Sun models equipped with cheap RAM to Europe in shipfleets
> and giving them away for free. Why? We can buy them, hell, we can even
> produce our own!
>
> You will now hopefully comprehend that my remark about strong
> cryptography wasn't a random one - the _REAL_ problem is what you do
> with your newly accumulated knowledge (the one that had just been
> derived from all those natural advantages). Instead of sharing at least
> the most fundamental of principles of your discoverings, so they'd at
> the very minimum remind the others they're on the right/wrong track as
> far as their research is concerned, if not even enable them to produce
> leaps in research progress, you think up some dumb excuse such as "We need
> strong cryptography in order to protect our software." WTF? By all
> means, use it! If it's really that strong, you have absolutely nothing
> to fear! Even a small modification in the cryptography layer of a
> certain application would render it virtually impossible to break,
> requiring years to reverse engineer, if it's really that strong a
> cryptography we're talking about. There's absolutely no need to prevent
> the export of software that used similar technologies, or even source
> code to, let's say, a modified RSA implementation. It's only the key
> to understanding the key of the outermost layer of something you want
> to protect for Chrissake, not the key itself!
>
All true...and utterly irrelevant.
> And with all of my ex-friends being invited to USA for showing
> excellent results in various fields of education and work, and such a
> small quantity of them actually returning, plus the horrifyingly small
> number of experts coming over from USA in order to present the
> academical public with insights of this-and-that achievement, it's no
> wonder leased ADSL lines still cost a fortune in Luxembourg (or
> anywhere else for that matter, I don't really care).
>
> So, in short, yes, it is your fault. And besides not being
> indifferent, you can at least try to be concerned in such an extent to
> not ignore the entire rest of the world by saying RAM is cheap in
> general.
>
> >To which I replied:
> >"It's not America's fault your country(ies) are behind in technology."
> >
> >Which is, for the most part, a fair and accurate statement.
>
> I hope you now see it's not.
>
> [1]: USA, where you live, vs. UK, where you accused me of living, vs.
> Slovenija, where I actually dwell. Numbers are all July 2000 estimates
> according to the CIA factbook:
>
> http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/
>
> Do note the choice of source. It was deliberate. <evil-grin>
>
> OH, and btw.: yes, I do have a 10MB/s cable link. And, no, I don't put
> myself off of bread over it. I'm simply being concerned.
>
> --
> Grega Bremec
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.gbsoft.org/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 10:27:47 -0300
"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
>
> Said Donovan Rebbechi in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >On Sat, 02 Sep 2000 23:15:08 -0400, T. Max Devlin wrote:
> >>still so much debate on the subject. I figure as long as there's
> >>debate, I can't be out of line in debating it.
> >
> >Well apart from your irrelevance, I see no one else flogging this
> >dead horse ( I say dead horse, because harmony is dead due to lack
> >of interest, not due to "legal threats" )
>
> Is that why Roberto still gets hate-mail for being part of KDE?
No, it's because of other issues. I can't recall a hate-email
about harmony or about the alleged threat, actually.
They are usually about the last /. or linuxtoday or c.o.l.a flamefest,
mainly because I am one of the few that gives a email address that
is actually read, probably.
--
Roberto Alsina (KDE developer, MFCH)
------------------------------
From: "Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 13:20:21 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Said Jim Richardson in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> [...]
> >for comparisons of private school costs, with public, see
> >http://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/bp-025.html [...]
> ^^^^
>
> I don't think so. Thanks anyway; I've had my bullshit quota for this
> month.
And once again we see the usual Max approach to things he doesn't like.
Ignore them and continue spreading the same old lies.
--
Regards,
Joe R.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 09:13:59 -0400
Grega Bremec wrote:
>
> ...and Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> used the keyboard:
>
> <snip>
>
> >If Americans are so stupid as you imply, then why are you having all
> >these problems?
>
> I'm not implying _ALL_ (or most, for that matter) of the Americans are
> stupid, I'm implying they're being willingly ignorant of the state of
> the world address. You know, there's an ancient Japanese proverb that
> says,
>
> "Don't give the beggar the fish he wants - teach him how to catch them
> instead."
Are you implying that the British don't know how to provide cheap
internet access????????
The problem in the UK is that too many people are fearful of
self-reliance and so insist on socialism, which is VERY wasteful
of natinoal resources.
>
> Think about it for a moment, Chad. Do you happen to sense a shade of
> wisdom in it? Could you apply a tiny fragment of it to your statement?
>
> >> "Noooo, we won't tell you how to encrypt your data using 8192-bit
> >> strong encryption. But it's not our fault if you can't figure it out
> >> on your own..."
> >
> >What the hell are you talking about?
>
> It's called "paraphrasing". Abstracting one's sayings so far that they
> tell us nothing in particular, everything in general about the problem
> we're discussing, and then applying them to a practically different
> problem, which is similar in key aspects. The (optional) special catch
> is that the reapplying can be done in such a way that the original
> speaker is presented with the atrocity of their original statement,
> but we could say some cynicism is being utilized in that, so it isn't
> really pure paraphrasing any more. Useful though.
>
> >Look, I can understand if you're sore because you got left in
> >the 20th century, but don't try to blame it on us.
>
> I didn't get left anywhere I wouldn't want to stay, I'm not
> complaining about my situation anyway - the ban on exporting software
> that used strong cryptography had long before been lifted for my
> country. Besides, the mere assumption of everything non-American being
> plain obsoleted 20th century crap tells us all a great deal about your
> attitude, so I doubt that bothering myself any further would be in
> place.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Grega Bremec
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.gbsoft.org/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "James A. Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 13:22:26 GMT
lyttlec wrote:
>
> Wheat production during the latter Roman Empire. That monopoly lasted
> about 300 years. It was corrected when the barbarian invaders killed the
> monopolist and almost everyone else. Not a desirable means of market
> correction.
How about in a republic such as the US?
--
James A. Robertson
Senior Sales Engineer, Cincom
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<Talk Small and Carry a Big Class Library>
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 09:15:56 -0400
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Grega Bremec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > I'm not implying _ALL_ (or most, for that matter) of the Americans are
> > stupid, I'm implying they're being willingly ignorant of the state of
> > the world address.
>
> Who said they're being ignorant. Many Americans are well aware of the
> BT plight and are indifferent because, as I said in another post, you've
> dug your own hole and now you're angry at us because we've got a better
> situation. Grass is greener, I suppose.
>
> Ignorance and indifference are two seperate things. We're not about
> to grind to a halt and wait for you to catch up to late-20th century
> level technology just so you don't think we have "attitudes" anymore.
>
> > You know, there's an ancient Japanese proverb that
> > says,
>
> <SNIP>
>
> Spare me the "grasshopper" stuff. You're no more my Sensai than
> Bill Clinton is.
>
> > Think about it for a moment, Chad. Do you happen to sense a shade of
> > wisdom in it? Could you apply a tiny fragment of it to your statement?
>
> So you want us to give you fishing poles? You want us to give you hand
> outs?
>
> You Brits seem so high and mighty on your civility, culture and
> fortitude, how come you haven't mangaged to work yourself out of this
> situation. Well, when it comes to facism, we'll gladly help you out,
> but when it comes to money, it's a different ball-game.
>
> Your telco situation is your own problem, not ours.
>
> > >Look, I can understand if you're sore because you got left in
> > >the 20th century, but don't try to blame it on us.
> >
> > I didn't get left anywhere I wouldn't want to stay, I'm not
> > complaining about my situation anyway - the ban on exporting software
> > that used strong cryptography had long before been lifted for my
> > country. Besides, the mere assumption of everything non-American being
> > plain obsoleted 20th century crap tells us all a great deal about your
> > attitude, so I doubt that bothering myself any further would be in
> > place.
>
> Would you guys please stick to one topic-line. You have about 3
> issues going on in this one post and you keep chastizing me for talking
> about the others when you youself are doing it.
>
> Nigel made two points:
> - That America was somehow descriminating against the rest of the world
> by having a strong economy and good RAM prices and by having 50MB
> downloads that somehow exclude our telco-challenged friends across the
> pond
>
> - The America is descriminating by not allowing strong encryption exporting.
>
> I've already addressed the first hogwash point, now onto the second.
>
> They've lifted some of the restrictions but again, the fact that Britian
> has lifted their restrictions doesn't really mean diddly because they
> don't have much to protect. The Software industry in the U.K. is slow
> at best, stifled at worse (see BT plight as a related effect).
>
> Lifting the restriction in the US means a whole lot more because we
> have many softwares that serve much more critical purposes and could be
> used in very bad ways. Of course you know this already, I'm explaining
> the obvious, right? Appearently not as you have brought up this dicussion.
>
> Besides, what are you all waiting on America for software for. Why
> don't you get things going and right your own and tell us to bugger off.
> It's certainly better than you sitting here bitching and moaning about
> how the world isn't fair.
Socialism is ALL about lifelong idle dependancy upon those who produce.
>
> -Chad
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 10:31:01 -0300
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
>
> Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > They don't. And anyone can clone it. And if they sue the cloner,
> > as long as the cloner didn't do anything illegal, the cloner will
> > win. Big deal.
>
> Unless the cloner does not have enough money to fight back. Then the one
> who is in the right would lose and possibly be made destitute in the
> process.
Well, that is hardly TT's fault, is it?
By the same token, anyone else could sue you for any reason and
you would become just as destitute. If so, why single out TT?
--
Roberto Alsina (KDE developer, MFCH)
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 09:17:46 -0400
abraxas wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Perhaps you should be writing your government then.
> >
> > It's not America's fault your country(ies) are behind
> > in technology.
> >
>
> There goes chad again, talking out of his ass. This actually has nothing
> to do with being 'behind in technology', it has to do with there being no
> one common communications tariff methodology.
>
> To all: Chad actually knows next to nothing about computers, and exactly
> nothing about the way countries other than the united states work. Hes
> probably best ignored.
Wrong. Britain COULD have just as vibrant a memory-production industry
as the US....IF THEY DESIRED to do so.
It's not as if beach sand and photo-lithography and molecular beam
epitaxy only work on the US mainland.
Hell, TAIWAN has a bigger chip-making industry than Britain, and they
didn't have ***ANY*** capacity 15 years ago.
>
> -----yttrx
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 13:24:21 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rick
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Joe R." wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rick
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > "Joe R." wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You made the assertion. (Actually, jdei started it by saying public
> > > > schools are massively underfunded and you supported him) Please
> > > > feel
> > > > free to back it up.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Check the tuition prices for the private schools. Then check your
> > > > > local
> > > > > schoolboard budget. You will see that the private schools have
> > > > > more
> > > > > money.
> > > >
> > > > Not the school my kids used to go to. $3,300 tuition vs. an average
> > > > public school budget of well over $7 K in that county.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You have a school that survives on $7000?
> >
> > Actually, less than that. The tuition was $3300 and they said the
> > endowment contributed just a little less than the tuition.
> >
>
> ... thats $7000 per student per year?
Actually, just under $6,600 per student per year. Class sizes limited to
20 or less.
>
> > For probably the best private school in the county.
> >
> > >
> > > > Even with endowment money, the private school was less.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You can also check what one FTE 9full time eqivalency) is in your
> > > > > home
> > > > > state. That is the amount the state gives the school, or district
> > > > > per
> > > > > student. Its not very much. The commercials now playing showing
> > > > > the
> > > > > school teacher buying her own supplies is very real.
> > > >
> > > > That might be meaningful -- if the state were the only source of
> > > > funds
> > > > for schools. Local districts supply the largest amount, as well as
> > > > some
> > > > from the Federal government and some from the county (and a
> > > > minscule
> > > > amount from fund raisers, private donations, etc).
> > > >
> > >
> > > The State usually provides the funds to the district, so the district
> > > isnt really providing the funds... at least, that is the way it works
> > > in
> > > Florida. The Feds do provide a chuck, but I have never heard of
> > > County
> > > government subsidizing the School Board.
> >
> > No? Ever hear of school property taxes? That's the major source of
> > funding for the schools in most states. They're almost always collected
> > by the county or district.
> >
>
> Yes, there is a school district tax. Most school taxes are collected by
> the State and distributed by the State... at least in Florida.
Not in most places.
>
> > >
> > > > The fact is that jedi made the claim that public schools are
> > > > underfunded
> > > > and you supported it. I'm saying that that isn't obvious enough to
> > > > escape without proof. Feel free to provide it.
> >
> > Which you still haven't done.
> >
>
> ... and Im probably not going to. I work in the public school system
> here. This is my 10th year. I am tired of fighting for money, tired of
> the uninformed public placing all blame on us and just tired in general.
I don't think it's the teachers who get the blame most of the time. More
often, the anger is directed at the Administration.
--
Regards,
Joe R.
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