Linux-Advocacy Digest #885, Volume #33           Tue, 24 Apr 01 19:13:06 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Aaron R. 
Kulkis")
  Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ? (SammyTheSnake)
  Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("Scott R. Godin")
  Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("billh")
  Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("billh")
  Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males ("Aaron R. Kulkis")

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:29:57 -0400

Roberto Alsina wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:43:16 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:48:43 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:21:08 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:08:38 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>wrote:
> >> >> >> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:52:26 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:34:40 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 01:03:12 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Mathew wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, Gunner© wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >Slavery;child labour
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > As opposed to a 16 yr old working at Burger King?
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> A 16 year old at Burger King, where they can only work part 
>time,is
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> hardly comparable to 12-14 hour work days of children as 
>young as 6.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >In some parts of the world, such work is FAR more useful to 
>the child
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >than any high-end education (when living in a 3rd-world 
>shithole,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >lessons on astrophysics are....a luxery.  Food on the table is 
>a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >necessity.  Hope that helps).
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> There's a wide spectrum between no education and astrophysics.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> And if you work 12 hours a day at a back-breaking job when you 
>are
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> a kid, you don't get any education.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >What good is an education if you have starved to death?
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> The black-and-whiteness of your mind is amazing.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> There is a solution to this: feed the kid at (public) school.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Of course you would believe that kid is stealing your money.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Roberto Alsina
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Nope, by Aarons logic, some how the staving child is funded by gold 
>from
> >> >> >> >> >> >Moscow as to suck in people into this "communist plot" to take over 
>the
> >> >> >> >> >> >world whilst using the power of the Democrats, Unions, and other
> >> >> >> >> >> >assorted people intertwined into this communist take over of the 
>world.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Here's my guess: Moscow paid unions to make workers vote parties who
> >> >> >> >> >> don't see feeding the poor kid as a waste of money (communists!).
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> So, when the government steals Aaron's money to feed the kid 
>(communists!)
> >> >> >> >> >> the kid is being told that good daddy government (communist!) is 
>feeding
> >> >> >> >> >> him, thus he is being indoctrined (little communist!).
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >What part of "taking money from MY kids to feed YOUR kids is THEFT"
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> What part of that what? And who said they are my kids?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >forcibly taking money from MY kids to feed ANY other man's kids is THEFT
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You have kids? The government should require a license for that.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Statist asshole.
> >> >>
> >> >> The government should protect people from danger.
> >> >
> >> >The US Supreme Court has ruled that the police have ZERO obligation to
> >> >protect people from danger.  They are only required to investigate crimes.
> >> >If they also HAPPEN to protect the people, then that's great...but, legally,
> >> >it's not part of the job description  (although protecting POLITICIANS is).
> >>
> >> I don't know how it is up there, but here, the goal of arresting the
> >> criminals is to prevent them from committing more crimes, and that
> >> counts as protection.
> >
> >Arresting criminals is necessary, but not sufficient for "protection"
> 
> Of course not. But it *is* protection. And it *is* what they do.
> So their goals include protection. Now admit you were saying nonsense and move
> on.

If police merely arrest criminals all day, but do NOTHING to prevent
crimes from occuring, is that sufficient to say that they are protecting
the people?

If you ask one of the crime victims, would he/she say that the
police protected him/her?


> 
> >that is, you can arrest criminals, but STILL not fulfill any sort of
> >supposed obligation "to protect" the public.
> 
> Arresting criminals is already protecting the public. It is not all
> they could do to protect them? Sure. But it is protecting.

No...it's arresting criminals.  Partial Protection of the public
is merely a by-product....a side-effect.

> 
> >To protect the public means to prevent the crime from occuring in
> >the first place.
> 
> That is one of the many things protecting the public means. It also
> means many other things.


If the police were required to "Protect the Public", then we would
A) have a lot more police than today
B) would be authorized to PREVENT someone from committing a crime.

        Hint fucking hint, the police canNOT arrest someone
        before the person commits a crime.  I can raise a fist
        to someone, and the police just have to stand there...they
        can't arrest me until I actually strike the person.


What kind of "protection" is it when the "protector" can't do anything
until the victim has been harmed?


PROTECTION means PREVENTING someone from getting harmed.

This is why the US Supreme Court SPECIFICALLY said that the police
are NOT in the business of "protecting the public"

If you want to be "protected", hire a body guard, or get yourself a concealed
weapons permit...or do both.


> 
> >  In practical terms, this means 2 or more policemen
> >on duty standing guard around each and every house each and every night.
> 
> Where do you live, west Jerusalem?
> 
> >This is in addition to those out patrolling the roads.
> >
> >Anything less is not protection.
> 
> Anything less may be INSUFFICIENT protection.
> 
> >> >> Isn't that why people should pay for the army?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >No.  That's why every able-bodied male should SERVE in the army.
> >>
> >> And buy their own planes, right?
> >
> >non-sequitor.
> 
> Just exposing your bullshit. Without taxes there can not be a modern
> army, because just volunteering will not get you the equipment.
> Therefore, you ADVOCATE taxes, which you deem enslavement, which you
> deem worthy of the death penalty. Now go kill yourself.

Taxes =/= caring
Hope that helps.


> 
> >> >We need to bring back the draft so that smart-aleck little cowards
> >> >like you will pull your fair share of the load....or rot in jail.
> >>
> >> When I was in millitary age, there *was* a draft.
> >
> >did you serve?
> 
> Why should I tell you? I sure was drafted.
> 
> >> >> >> And you didn't answer the first question.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >You never answered my question, either.
> >> >>
> >> >> That was not a question. It was not even a sentence!
> >> >>
> >> >> >I will ask again.  When did you stop raping your daughter?
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't have a daughter.
> >> >>
> >> >> >Your answer gets you mine.
> >> >>
> >> >> There you have it. Your turn.
> >>
> >> Notice: here Aaron made a promise and broke it.
> >
> >I answered above.
> 
> Nope.
> 
> >> >> >> >> >And Theft is slavery.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> No, theft is theft.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Taking the fruits of one person's labor, against their will, for the
> >> >> >> >benefit of another person is slavery, is it not?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> No, that's theft.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Which is slavery.
> >> >>
> >> >> No, that's theft, which is not slavery.
> >> >
> >> >Slavery is nothing more than theft.
> >> >
> >> >Therefore, theft is slavery.
> >> >
> >> >Hope that helps, moron.
> >>
> >> It would help convince a moron indeed. It won't convince anyone
> >> with one tenth of a brain, though.
> >
> >I'm not interested in convincing retards like you.  All i need
> >to do is convince those people who have a whole brain.
> 
> Anyone with a whole brain has a tenth of a brain. I see you didn't get
> to see fractions at Perdue, either.
> 
> >> >> >> >> >You *DO* know the proper punishment for those who enslave others, don't 
>you?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> They become you? Isn't that unusual and cruel?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Do you not believe that those who enslave others forfeit their rights?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Nope. I believe all humans have human rights.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> [1] Taking the money earned by a drug dealer and giving it to the DEA
> >> >> >> is not theft, is it Aaron? Yet you are taking the fruits of the dealer's
> >> >> >> labour, against their will, for the benefit of other persons.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Theft is defined, among other things, by being against the law.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >You write like someone who wants to belittle slavery as "mere theft"...
> >> >>
> >> >> Actually, no. I believe slavery is something much worse than theft.
> >> >> Yet you claim theft is slavery. I would say YOU are the one that
> >> >> belittles slavery.
> >> >>
> >> >> >and will then proceed to spin some wild-assed story about why his
> >> >> >slavery cum theft is justified.
> >> >>
> >> >> You, my friend, are confused.
> >> >
> >> >You obviously don't know about all the different forms of slavery.
> >>
> >> You obviously don't know about any.
> >
> >Please tell us why you (erroneously) think slavery is not theft.
> 
> Men are not property. Slavery involves treatment of men as property.


Is it specifically necessary for someone to be "property" to be
a slave?



And the current income tax + welfare system makes all working people
into property...not of other individuals, but property of the state.



> 
> >hint, it has NOTHING to do with confinement, nor brutality.
> >Hope that helps
> 
> I don't even need to use that.
> 
> Slavery: the state of entire subjection of one person to the will of another.

Not at all.

Slavery comes in many varieties.  For example, many slaves in ancient Rome
were allowed to purchase slaves for themselves....while they themselves were
still slaves.

Slaves owning slaves...who might also own slaves...

Interseting, is it not?




> 
> That's in the dictionary, look it up. Slavery involves enslavement, not
> theft. You can look those up, too.
> 
> Theft is theft. It's taking the other person's property illegally.
> Slavery is worse. Don't belittle slavery, Aaron.

A distinction without a difference.

> 
> --
> Roberto Alsina


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

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        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (SammyTheSnake)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ?
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:49:10 +0100

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jonadab the Unsightly One wrote:

snip

>Above all, you don't want the computer stopping for
>no reason, so run it on Unix or VMS, and you won't
>go down unless there's a hardware problem or some
>idiot runs a forkbomb.  

not even then if you use a recent version of linux[1]. If each user has
their own login ID then other users won't even notice :)

[1] from memory ~2.2.18+ or maybe it was one of the 2.2.17preXen
Cheers & God bless
SammyTheSnake
-- 
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Linux, Hardware & Juggling specialist :-) | job, if you can help, e-mail me :)
Wheels: bike, 'ickle bike, and unicycle.  | /o \/ 
Boxen: K6-266@300, dual Celery500 & Nx486 | \__/\

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From: "Scott R. Godin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: 24 Apr 2001 22:31:55 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
 T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 | Said Scott R. Godin in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 13 Apr 2001 12:32:15 
 | >In article <9b5akf$eq7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
 | > "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 | >
 | > | not to demand that
 | > | the government steal from me at gunpoint to fund programs whose actual
 | > | purpose is not to help, but to create dependency on those programs. 
 | >
 | >Hear hear. Pleasure to meet another reasonably self-aware thinking 
 | >rational Human being :)
 | 
 | And it doesn't bother you at all that you are exhibiting fascist
 | behavior, does it?

hmmm let's see.. fascism vs democracy vs republic.. no, I don't think 
they mesh. 

Websters: "a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the 
Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and 
that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a 
dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and 
forcible suppression of opposition"

In our Republic here in the USA, the individual IS the Sovereign. 

I completely fail to see how recognizing another individual who can 
think for himself is even remotely considerable as facsist. 

 | >Welfare, Social Security, Minimum Wage... the list goes on and on..
 | 
 | Yes, it sure does.  Welcome to the real world, Mr. "Self-aware thinking
 | rational monkey with a brain".

Welcome to America -- the only socialist country that can't admit it. :P

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner -- 
Liberty is two wolves attempting to have a sheep for dinner and finding 
a well-informed, well-armed sheep.

Whatever you're smoking isn't working anymore.

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From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:35:51 GMT


"Roberto Alsina"

> I suppose by quibble you mean "bill made an obvious mistake".

This post too is a quibble.  Thanks for proving my point.






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From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:36:25 GMT


"Roberto Alsina"

> Why did you choose to answer like if I was a controlling authority?

I choose to.



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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:36:40 -0400

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
> 
>    Aaron> Brent R wrote:
> 
>    >> > Modern feminism decries "the patriarchy", and then whines for
>    >> > it to come back and clean up her diapers, because she still hasn't
>    >> > learned to shit in the toilet.
> 
>    >> Jesus man, do you really have to be that crude?
> 
>    >> Be careful Aaron, not all women are like that, I wouldn't even say the
> 
>    Aaron> I wasn't referring to "all women" is was referring to that body
>    Aaron> known as "feminism"
> 
> No, you are talking about a tiny minority of those women who
> self-identify as feminist.  For most women that means that women
> have equal rights as men.  Not the lunatic fringe that declare
> all heterosexual sex is rape.

Thank you for agreeing with me.


> 
>    >> majority. There is a tiny minority of shrill man-haters who make the
>    >> rest look bad.
> 
> --
> Andrew Hall
> (Now reading Usenet in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh...)


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

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   can defeat the email search bots.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:37:47 -0400

Bud Frawley wrote:
> 
> On 23 Apr 2001 14:47:38 -0500, Chad Everett said...
> > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:39:49 -0500, Bud Frawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>wrote:
> > >On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:22:44 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis said...
> > >> jet wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Bud Frawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> > > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:44:01 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis said...
> > >> > > > Bud Frawley wrote:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:13:02 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis said...
> > >> > > > > > MH wrote:
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > "jet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> > > > > > > news:9c06um$1o3m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> > > > > > > > news:vEFE6.1319$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Any man who supports Feminism is a self-flagellating
> > >> > idiot.
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Any man who thinks a woman should be paid the same for equal
> > >> > work is a
> > >> > > > > > > > > self
> > >> > > > > > > > > > flagellating idiot?
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > No, just any man who marries one.
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > Any man who marries a woman who thinks she should get paid the
> > >> > same as a
> > >> > > > > > > man
> > >> > > > > > > > for the same work is a self flagellating idiot?
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > LOL.
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > J
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > Pay is not the issue. I've no problem with women getting equal
> > >> > pay.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > But try to find a woman who TRULY does equal work...like coming in
> > >> > early,
> > >> > > > > > or staying late, as needed.  Or going out of town on a business trip
> > >> > > > > > on short notice....or transferring half way across the country (or
> > >> > > > > > even to an office 20 miles farther from her house).
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Quite frankly...there are reasons why the STATISTICAL AVERAGE for
> > >> > > > > > women's pay is so much lower than men...they refuse to go to the
> > >> > > > > > same lengths that men will to *EARN* it'
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > LOL!!!!! I guess you just proved your not a manager! when my cousin
> > >> > got
> > >> > > > > promotyed to manager in his company  he showed me the pay list! there
> > >> > was
> > >> > > > > 2 different pays 1 for men 1 for women! men got paid $13.00 an hour
> > >> > when
> > >> > > > > women got paid $9.00 an hour for the same shift! I told him it's not
> > >> > fair
> > >> > > > > and they should pay the same so he filed an greavence. they said no
> > >> > way.
> > >> > > > > he quit that job in a hurry! I bet they stop laughing when I call feds
> > >> > on
> > >> > > > > this one! they offered him mney to keep quiet but I said no way I'm
> > >> > > > > keepiung quiet! this is gonna hit the papers when I start talking!
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Men show up for work more reliably.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > LOL!!!! ya right! I left out the part when he showed me there time cards
> > >> > > because I knew you'd bite! the women get there every day ON TIME! when
> > >> > > somebody's show's up late it's always a man! those are statistics my boy!
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Do you know how much a production work stoppage costs a factory?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > A hell of more than $4.00/hour.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > LOL! like they lower there prices when it stops! you do'nt pay for when
> > >> > > it stops because the owner is right there! I guess you think he has to
> > >> > > pay himself when it stops! LOL!!!!!
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > As long as women insist on group rights, then they will suffer
> > >> > > > group penalties as well.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > By the way, who put a gun to these women's heads and FORCED them
> > >> > > > to accept $9.00.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > thank's for proving your a complete moron! they either take $9.00 or they
> > >> > > get fired! that's as bad a holding a gun to there heads if you want to
> > >> > > support a family!
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > It appears that management offered $9.00/hour, and they accepted.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I'm gonna say this one more time so take the beans outa your ears THAT"S
> > >> > > ALL THE JOB PAYS FOR WOMEN! maybe you should go back to the dumass farm!
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> > When did he leave?
> > >> >
> > >> > J
> > >>
> > >> Oooooooooow, ppppppppppoooor pooooooooor strong victims.
> > >>
> > >> If women are every bit as capable as men, then how come they can't
> > >> negotiate their pay?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >gawd you gotta be deaf from you ca'nt hear so well! when a woman asks for
> > >a raise alls they say is no way the company does'nt allow it! then what's
> > >she gonna do? she's luckey if they do'nt fire her on the spot! when my
> > >cousin owned a car dealer he tried to give his secretery a raise because
> > >she made more money for the company then the salesmen but he could'nt
> > >because company policy! his boss reamed him out for that little stunt! he
> > >would of fired him for sure if he did'nt just land a deal for 40 cars at
> > >full sticker!
> >
> > If your cousin owned the company, then who told him it was against company
> > policy?
> 
> I guess you never heard of union! you ca'nt pay somebody more then the
> contract and somebody less!


Ah, so it wasn't *company* policy, it was UNION policy.


Big difference, idiot.




> > How did the secretaty make more money for the company than the all the
> > salesmen?
> >
> 
> what a moron! I guess you do'nt know who spend's the most on dinner when
> there doin a big deal! it's not the secretery that's for sure!
> >
> >


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

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        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

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