Linux-Advocacy Digest #3, Volume #29 Fri, 8 Sep 00 15:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ("Ingemar Lundin")
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (The Darkener)
Re: Computer and memory ("Quantum Leaper")
Re: Computer and memory (Chris Street - remove antispam in email)
Re: Computer and memory (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Computer and memory (Chris Street - remove antispam in email)
Re: How low can they go...? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: A guise for Marxism (Was: businesses are psychopaths (Tim Kelley)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Re: How low can they go...?
Re: Computer and memory ("Quantum Leaper")
Re: How low can they go...?
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ("Ingemar Lundin")
Re: Computer and memory (.)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:08:53 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ingemar Lundin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
>0.0001% and No!
>
>/IL
Well, I think that does it for my stupidity quotient for
the week.
It's true, USENET really is useless.
>
>"Lina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
>news:OE5u5.20452$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Hi,
>> I'm a Linux newbie. What is the percentage of computers and servers
>running
>> Linux now. Will an end-user alternative similar to Linux appear anytime
>> soon?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Lina
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: "Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:14:53 GMT
>Anybody's guess. My guess is that two to five million machines have linux
>installed against an estimated 100 million for windows - another guess
>really - but a much lesser number is used as the main working machine. It
is
>said that majority of web-servers are running on Linux though M$ would
certainly
>dispute that.
try 500 milj Windows and 2.5 milj Linux
and a majority (altough not much more than 50%) is running *Apache*, thats
not the same as running Linux!
/IL
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:31:20 +0100
>Linux is currently the only end-user system alternative to windows on a PC
>(IBM compatible in older terminology). Of course you also have Mac-OS.
That is if you chose to ignore OS/2, BSD and BEOS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:19:46 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Lina
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:16:30 GMT
<OE5u5.20452$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Hi,
>I'm a Linux newbie. What is the percentage of computers and servers running
>Linux now. Will an end-user alternative similar to Linux appear anytime
>soon?
Estimates vary. One problem with Linux is that it's free; therefore
it's difficult to track exactly how many systems are installed with it,
being currently used, or gathering dust because the user put it on
and hasn't taken it off, but is using something else such as Win2k
or FreeBSD.
The number of servers probably is larger than the number of desktops;
Apache (htp://www.apache.org) runs on an awful lot of hardware and is
the dominant Web server; some of those Apache servers may be sitting
on a Linux foundation.
As for an "end-user alternative", there already are two:
Windows 2000 and Windows Me. (Not that they're *great* alternatives,
but they're slick, commercially supported, and well-known.
In the computer software market, marketing may win out over
technical excellence -- check out the demise of Commodore Amiga,
for example; it still can do things other computers cannot, but
has long since been passed by in the mind of the general public.
I've seen more commercials for Commodore 64 than the Amiga!)
Other alternatives may include FreeBSD, with which I'm not familiar
apart from it being open-source and a derivative from Berkeley,
and BeOS, an attempt by Be corporation (?) to carve a niche with
a product that, as I understand it, provides an excellent multimedia
foundation, but is closed-source and proprietary. (This may change.)
The last time I saw a copy of BeOS, it included a development
environment, which will help to woo developers, but it's even
farther behind the curve than Linux is, adoption-wise.
I happen to like RedHat as a Linux distribution (others include
Mandrake, Slackware, Debian, and SuSE), and find it quite
easy to install and usable; of course, I've been working with
Linux -- and Unix, before it -- for a long time, so I've already
climbed the learning curve, one might say. But it's not difficult,
if one reads the instructions carefully (one fault I do have is
that the instructions tend to get stale after a bit because the
software has been improved but the documentation was left behind).
But none of the major distributions (which include the four above)
should give a person with technical competence real trouble; the
main problems will be hardware-related, since Linux occasionally
appears "chip-based" rather than "brand-based" -- a fair number of
cards use the same chip -- which doesn't help the rank newbie who
only knows what's written on the box in which the card came
(assuming he has said box).
Still, I think the manufacturers are cooperating nicely with Linux.
It's still second-tier (first-tier goes towards the more
numerous alternative, Windows :-/ ), but definitely not ignored, IMO.
In any event, good luck and welcome to the newsgroups. :-)
>
>Thanks,
>Lina
>
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
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From: The Darkener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:21:19 GMT
Not true. There's OS/2, BeOS, DOS, and others I'm sure I'm just forgetting right
now...
jabali wrote:
<Snippity-snip>
> Linux is currently the only end-user system alternative to windows on a PC
> (IBM compatible in older terminology). Of course you also have Mac-OS.
>
> --
>
> jabali
--
- The Darkener
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
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From: "Quantum Leaper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:25:34 GMT
"Chris Street - remove antispam in email"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:18:16 GMT, "Chad Myers"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Chris Street - remove antispam in email"
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>
> >> I think you will find most of the native americans were wiped out in
> >> the 19th century. That's after the the declaration of independance
> >> that treats all except Indians and black slaves equally.
> >
> >What about the entire Aztec, Mayan, and Inca populations? Or do they
> >not count as native americans?
> >
> >The French, Brits, and Spanards killed more than there fair share of
> >Indians.
> >
> >The American's campaign to rid itself of the N.A.s was simply a cleanup
> >effort, the damage had already been wraught by the French, Spanish, and
> >British.
> >
> >-Chad
> >
> >
>
> Go read some books. When you have a better idea about history you can
> spout more knowledgably.
>
Maybe both of you should read about history.
> Up until the Lousiania purchase, the settlers had co-existed with the
> native americans quite happily. Only then when Americas expansionistic
> ambitions grew did there come a pressure on the land which resulted in
> large numbers of deaths.
>
The USA is less then a 1/3 of all of Americas. European diseases killed
many more than the gun ever did over the years.
> I didn't deal with the Southern American native as I assumed that you
> would only be limiting discussions to those in the area covered by the
> USA.
When you do that you ignore what the Spanish and others did to the native
americans. Basicly this is about European vs. USA did to the native
population in the americas.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Street - remove antispam in
email)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Reply-To: chrisngfb@mithrandir-DOT-demon-DOT-co-DOT-uk
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:35:11 GMT
On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:02:41 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The
Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
>It's more dramatic, perhaps. I've seen black and white pictures of
>shadows from The Bomb. One realizes quickly that they used to be people,
>caught in the wrong attitude and changed to nothing but a light
>shadow on an adjoining wall, pole, or tree, in the flick of an eye.
>
>Sobering.
>
>Death by fire is probably more painful, though (smoke inhalation).
>A person who is converted into a shadow probably felt a bit of
>heat at most (we'll never know). The ones that really suffered
>are probably the ones who died of rad poisoning, farther out. 2 weeks
>at most, one's hair falls out, other nasty things happen,
>probably lots of poisons and tumors, I don't know. (I'm not sure
>I want to.)
They probably didn't feel anything. The gamma flash from the bomb
would have fired every neuron in the brain before they figured out
anything was wrong and essentially short circurted their sensory
systems.
Not that I am saying that it was a Good Thing. I would agree that
given the facts of the day, the sitting Administration made what they
thought was the correct choice.
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:45:14 -0300
Quantum Leaper escribió:
>
> "Chris Street - remove antispam in email"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:18:16 GMT, "Chad Myers"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"Chris Street - remove antispam in email"
> > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >>
> > >> I think you will find most of the native americans were wiped out in
> > >> the 19th century. That's after the the declaration of independance
> > >> that treats all except Indians and black slaves equally.
> > >
> > >What about the entire Aztec, Mayan, and Inca populations? Or do they
> > >not count as native americans?
> > >
> > >The French, Brits, and Spanards killed more than there fair share of
> > >Indians.
> > >
> > >The American's campaign to rid itself of the N.A.s was simply a cleanup
> > >effort, the damage had already been wraught by the French, Spanish, and
> > >British.
> > >
> > >-Chad
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Go read some books. When you have a better idea about history you can
> > spout more knowledgably.
> >
> Maybe both of you should read about history.
>
> > Up until the Lousiania purchase, the settlers had co-existed with the
> > native americans quite happily. Only then when Americas expansionistic
> > ambitions grew did there come a pressure on the land which resulted in
> > large numbers of deaths.
> >
> The USA is less then a 1/3 of all of Americas. European diseases killed
> many more than the gun ever did over the years.
>
> > I didn't deal with the Southern American native as I assumed that you
> > would only be limiting discussions to those in the area covered by the
> > USA.
>
> When you do that you ignore what the Spanish and others did to the native
> americans. Basicly this is about European vs. USA did to the native
> population in the americas.
Well, in Mexico, the percentage of the population with native
ancestors is way higher than in the US, and probably 10 times
more than the population before the conquest, so it doesn't look
like much of an extermination to me.
In places like Guatemala, the native population is something like
90%.
In my country, Argentina, however, you could say they were
indeed exterminated, since there is a huge european-ancestry
majority.
America is much larger than most people realize ;-)
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Street - remove antispam in
email)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Reply-To: chrisngfb@mithrandir-DOT-demon-DOT-co-DOT-uk
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:37:03 GMT
On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:25:34 GMT, "Quantum Leaper"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>When you do that you ignore what the Spanish and others did to the native
>americans. Basicly this is about European vs. USA did to the native
>population in the americas.
>
>
I belevie I have made it clear that I was dealing with the area
covered by the USA and the USA alone. The discussion actually evolved
from Chad vs Europe, so it seemed reasonable to treat the area where
he lives. After all that's the area he appears to claim to represent.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:41:33 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:50:03 -0700
<8p92ng$c3e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:4%Ht5.6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> Spoken like someone that has never written a line of code in his life.
>You
>> can't just "take out" fundamental architectural changes to software. This
>> is similar to a judge ordering that the basement be removed from 100 story
>> skyscraper.
>>
>> It's easy to just say "The architects and construction company put in in
>> there, they can easily take it out".
>>
>
>Have you considered RCS, SCCS, CVS, et al?
CAD programs don't knock down interior walls, by analogy, nor do
wrecking balls make good screwdrivers, or screwdrivers good wrecking balls.
CVS/RCS and SCCS are good at managing code changes, especially little ones,
but they do absolutely nothing at all regarding code rearchitecture beyond
certain rather primitive capabilities such as obsoleting no-longer-useful
elements -- which is useful, but far from a complete solution.
Even Clearcase, an otherwise excellent solution offered by Rational
Systems, cannot automatically deal with a C++ class change that requires
code modifications all throughout the system -- even something as
simple as the renaming of a static global method! (It can of course
determine what builds are needed once the source changes are made; it's
pretty good at that.)
There may be other more esoteric tools (some by Rational) which
may be more appropriate.
As I recall, IE 4 replaced quite a few DLLs in my system directory;
this is a hint of a number of internal modifications that I cannot know
about in detail, of course.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
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From: Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.infosystems.gis,comp.infosystems.www.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A guise for Marxism (Was: businesses are psychopaths
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:38:44 -0500
Perry Pip wrote:
>
> On 05 Sep 2000 12:04:53 +0100,
> Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Its perfectly reasonable to say that both anarchism and
> >Marxism are extreme, left wing, and revolutionary ideologies, but this
> >does not make them the same thing.
> >
>
> The ideas expressed in anarchism look to me like the came right out of
> the writings a Marx and Engel. Unless they have another source as to
> where their ideas originated, then anarchism is a hybrid of Marxism.
There is not much in common between anarchists and Marxists
except that they are both socialists. Proudhon ("What is
property?") was more influential than Marx certainly. Other than
sharing Marx' disgust with capitalism, what do you find similar
to anarchism? Anarchists do not hold dogmatic ideas about
history, economics, etc as Marxists do. Marx was of the opinion
that only the state could bring about real socialsm, which
anarchists regard as ridiculous.
> History has shown anytime there is a vacuum of power someone fills
> it. People want to be led. History has shown that all forms of marxism
> fail.
When you say "vacuum" you are referring to chaos; certainly
during times of social instability this holds. Anarchism does
not refer to a state of chaos; if there were stable democratic
social institutions in place, I doubt that anyone would just be
able to "sieze power" out of nowhere.
I agree that violent revolutions will never work, and most likely
will result in something worse than before you started.
> There is no evidence your philosophy will result in more equality.
> Even if you had perfectly equality, someone would whine and say they
> are not getting a fair share. And what you condone is that they take
> it violently?
> There is certainly more chances of that than your system of violently
> forcing people to be altruistic. If you think violence is acceptable,
> then anyone can justifiably resort to that when they don't get their way.
> Then society becomes barbaric, not civilized at all. We currently have a
> democratic system. If you think your system is better, convince
> the people and they will vote it in. Problem is you can't convince
> them, so you need violently force it, right??
Where is there anything about "forcing people to be altruistic"?
We (america) currently have nary a shred of democratic residue in
people's heads. This is a plutocracy.
This is the illusion about "democracy" in america: you could not
possibly "vote in" another system; it's stuck the way it is.
--
Tim Kelley
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:54:05 GMT
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:28:44 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Tristan Wibberley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:G99u5.6898$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>
>> This has been done for power users (see Debian), but not yet (or
>> not adequately) for end-users.
>
>"power users" ARE end-users.
>
>I think that "neophytes" is a better term for you misuse of the term
>"end-user".
There are also many end users that have no interest in ever
being "power users". I really don't think that PC's of any
kind suit them actually. However, they remain a large part
of the market that thinks they "must be DOS compatible".
--
Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:55:32 GMT
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:31:20 +0100, Nigel Feltham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>>Linux is currently the only end-user system alternative to windows on a PC
>>(IBM compatible in older terminology). Of course you also have Mac-OS.
>
>That is if you chose to ignore OS/2, BSD and BEOS.
...easy to do, considering their retail presence.
Even MacOS suffers from this problem, but to a less
extent than any of the Alt-OSen.
--
Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:56:58 GMT
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:18:33 -0400, JS/PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said Simon Cooke in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >
>> >> Yes, it was a perfect pretext to help in their neferious acitvities of
>> >tying
>> >> non-OS services into the OS and thereby further locking in customer.
>> >
>> >Who are you to decide what belongs in an *APPLICATIONS PLATFORM* and what
>> >doesn't?
>>
>> The customer.
>
>You don't get to decide what MS puts into their software. It's not your
>right. If it was your company...THEN you could decide but since you are only
>the customer and have no decision making power within the Microsoft Corp.
That's certainly a pleasant vision of captalism.
>the only right you have is to buy it or not buy it. I guess it goes without
>saying that you've still chosen to buy it.
...the creeping monopoly...
--
Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
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From: "Quantum Leaper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:58:54 GMT
"Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:iS3u5.1076$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Quantum Leaper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
> diZt5.17875$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> <cut>
>
> > Vikings, Romans, Nazis and Crusades need I go on? Maybe learning
your
> > European history may help. The Europeans killed more native americans
in
> > the first 100 years, than the USA ever did. It wasn't though war but
> > though disease. More than half of the population for the americas were
> > wiped out though European diseases.
> > 'Nam was started by the French. The Nazis killed more people than the
USA
> > ever did, in any single war.
>
> vikings, Romans, Crusades, these were committed by both our ancestors, as
> for the Nazis yes, they killed millions of people, but tell me, how many
> were killed in Hiroshima in one day?
>
Hiroshima was between 42,000 and 93,000, alot less the what the Nazis
killed, and alot less than if the USA had invaded Japan. The USA was
looking at a million or more killed and wounded if the USA had invaded.
Both bombs death toll was around 250,000 but the correct death toll will
never be known.
BTW I got the numbers for a Japanese site.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:57:31 GMT
On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:43:22 GMT, D'Arcy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> Software licenses are never non-transferable. You cannot be prevented
>> from selling what you own.
>
>Well lets take a look at a licenses shall we?
>
>Battlezone II - non-transferable.
>
>Oops I didn't have to look far - that was the first one I picked off
>my shelf...
Don't believe everything you read in a contract.
--
Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
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From: "Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 19:03:09 GMT
Havent whe met before Nathaniel?
/IL
"Nathaniel Jay Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ingemar Lundin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
> >0.0001% and No!
> >
> >/IL
>
> Well, I think that does it for my stupidity quotient for
> the week.
>
> It's true, USENET really is useless.
>
> >
> >"Lina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
> >news:OE5u5.20452$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Hi,
> >> I'm a Linux newbie. What is the percentage of computers and servers
> >running
> >> Linux now. Will an end-user alternative similar to Linux appear anytime
> >> soon?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Lina
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: 8 Sep 2000 19:05:08 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:iS3u5.1077$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
>> > Hell, the Nazis killed more people than the US military has killed in
>> > all wars combined.
>>
>> That seems a little overexagerated tho
> It's a fact. Do the math. They do teach math in Europe, right?
Actually, its only a fact if by "nazi" you mean "all of the german
armed forces during the entire reign of hitler, including the
nazis", which would not actually be "nazis" alone.
They do teach history in the untied states, right?
abbie
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