Linux-Advocacy Digest #3, Volume #30 Thu, 2 Nov 00 11:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Eric Remy)
Re: Oracle say's Microsoft no good! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: [My $0.02] The Indrema Box ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays. ("John Hughes")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays. (2:1)
Re: Oracle say's Microsoft no good! (2:1)
Re: Astroturfing (Jason Bowen)
Re: Astroturfing (Jason Bowen)
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From: Eric Remy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:20:24 -0500
In article <3a01468a$7$yrgbherq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>McKelvey writes that the failure, "was not the result of any system
>>software
>>or design deficiency but rather a decision to allow the ship to
>>manipulate
>>the software to stimulate [sic] machinery casualties for training
>>purposes
>>and the 'tuning' of propulsion machinery operating parameters. In the
>>usual
>>shipboard installation, this capability is not allowed."
>
>>McKelvey adds that CAE Electronics expressed "serious concern" when this
>>test
>>was proposed.
>
>I'd say that too if I was in the position with some responsibilitiy for
>the
>failure. If it was a GAO report I would be interested in reading it. The
>rest
>are all suspect.
And what did you base your original opinion that NT was at fault on? A
GAO report? Or was it the same original news article I read where the
"whistle-blower" claimed calculators deal with divide-by-zero by
returning zero?
I've never seen a single news article by a reputable source that claimed
NT crashed. Care to give one to me?
(Personally, I think the whole things idiotic. I wouldn't run a ship,
power plant or similar operation with NT. Wouldn't run it with Linux
either- pick something like QNX or VxWorks that's actually designed for
that kind of job. But this has become a classic urban legend: a kernel
of truth, followed by tons of misquoting, exaggeration and finally the
firm belief in something for which there is little to no evidence.)
--
Eric Remy. Chemistry Learning Center Director, Virginia Tech
"I don't like (quantum mechanics), | How many errors can
and I'm sorry I ever had anything | you find in my X-Face?
to do with it."- Erwin Schrodinger |
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Oracle say's Microsoft no good!
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:21:02 -0500
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Tim Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Tim Smith wrote:
> >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >Laugh all you want. Microsoft have lost the server market. Linux is
> > > >making inroads on the desktop. Now that they have been hacked (and not
> > >
> > > The Linux inroads on the desktop are not very big. Linux is a better OS
> > > than any version of Windows, but Microsoft has a much better graphical
> > > shell than anything available for Linux.
> >
> > I am getting so sick of hearing this. What makes the windows explorer
> > shell soooo much better than KDE or GNOME? What? Name ONE THING, and don't
> > resort to application availability issues, because that has nothing to do
> > with the graphical shell.
>
> Hmm... one thing huh? How 'bout "It Works"?
>
> Or:
>
> It's more aestheticly pleasing to the average user
> It's more consistent
> It's been usability tested by usability engineers
> Its security is customizable; you can disable certain menus and options
> It's what KDE is 99% based on, and the original is much better, KDE is a cheap
> knock-off
>
> >
> > Both KDE and GNOME are superior UI's to anything micros~1 has produced.
>
> Says you, unfortunately, you're opinion is so far in the minority, it's
> not even considered a minority.
>
> > The windows shell is one of the worst UI's ever concieved.
>
> Odd that you say that since 100% of KDE is ripped from Windows Explorer,
Wrong. KDE is a copy of HP's CDE (Common Desktop Environment).
> although it only exhibits 25% of the functionality.
>
> -Chad
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [My $0.02] The Indrema Box
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:22:15 -0500
OS2nLinux wrote:
>
> www.indrema.com
>
> deja vu. reminds me of Commodor 64 or the Amiga. The good-ole-days. |-)
>
Are you high?
> I think I'll buy the Indrema.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "John Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays.
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:51:25 -0000
"2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Colin R. Day" wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > Great. And what happens if a nuclear missile hits Redmond?
>
> There's always hope...
>
>
A fine example of the mentallity of a Linux zealot. Sick.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:54:52 -0500
Christopher Smith wrote:
>
> "Caldera OpenLinux User" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Bruce Schuck wrote:
> >
> > > It was week. And the QAZ trojan infected an employees home machine. And
> it
> > > had access to the LAN, probably via a VPN.
> > >
> > > Any corporation allowing internal access via VPN's are vulnerable using
> the
> > > exact same scenario.
> >
> > I don;t think saysin this attack can affect anyone is smart to say. I
> mean it
> > really is unacceptable so the implications are huge.
> > If you don;t get me then asnwer this.
> > How does QAZ infect OS/2 or LINUX or FreeBSD?
>
> It doesn't. He said same scenario, not same events. THe scenario is a
> trojan, and any OS is vulnerable to them.
Really now.
So, like, why don't we see Unix e-mail viruses?
>
> > I use those OSs and wonder what risks I am at for this QAZ trojan
> infection.
>
> About as much risk as a Windows OS wouldb e to a Unix trojan.
>
> > What other OS vendor is tightly integrating their OS and apps and data?
>
> Makes no difference to a trojan. But, pick any vendor trying to sell a
> similar sort of package to Windows - Apple, Redhat, Be etc.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:55:50 -0500
Bruce Schuck wrote:
>
> "Caldera OpenLinux User" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Bruce Schuck wrote:
> >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Bruce Schuck wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >
> > > > > > There has been much talk about hidden ports in
> > > > > > the back end of all windows products in the last
> > > > > > year.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone who runs Zonealarm -- which reports unauthorized TCP/IP
> traffic
> > > IN
> > > > > and OUT knows you are full of sh*t.
> > > > >
> > > > > We Zonalarm users know who has the hidden ports -- Real Audio ,
> Adware
> > > etc
> > > > > etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > It ain't the Microsoft OS.
> > > > >
> > > > > What a bunch of morons you Linux advocates are.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you think Microsft could sneak hidden TCP/IP traffic past all the
> > > > > Microsoft haters masquerading as security experts you are dummer
> than a
> > > bag
> > > > > of hammers.
> > > >
> > > > Then why did Microsoft suffer 3+ months of unauthorized access from
> > > Russia?
> > >
> > > It was week. And the QAZ trojan infected an employees home machine. And
> it
> > > had access to the LAN, probably via a VPN.
> > >
> > > Any corporation allowing internal access via VPN's are vulnerable using
> the
> > > exact same scenario.
> >
> > I don;t think saysin this attack can affect anyone is smart to say. I
> mean it
> > really is unacceptable so the implications are huge.
> > If you don;t get me then asnwer this.
> > How does QAZ infect OS/2 or LINUX or FreeBSD?
>
> Not necessarily QAZ. Linux root gets broken all the time.
It takes a hell of a lot more effort to crack a password than it
does to mail off a virus.
Hope that helps, MORON.
> Look at the massive list of vulnerabilities.
>
> So, let's say a Linux programmer is at home checking out the source code via
> his DSL connection, and someone has already broken root, then the Linux
> source code is vulnerable.
>
> Face it, most of the distributed Denial Of Service tools use infected
> Linux/Unix boxes.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:58:29 -0500
gm wrote:
>
> On Wed, 01 Nov 2000 23:51:41 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >gm wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:58:15 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> If you think Microsft could sneak hidden TCP/IP traffic past all the
> >> >> Microsoft haters masquerading as security experts you are dummer than a bag
> >> >> of hammers.
> >> >
> >> >Then why did Microsoft suffer 3+ months of unauthorized access from Russia?
> >>
> >> MS did not sneak hidden TCP/IP traffic past the MS haters. TCP/IP
> >> traffic was snuck past MS -- do you see the difference?
> >
> >Pretty funny, isn't it.
>
> Not really. Nor is it surprising, but I think it has little to do with
> Windows and much more to do with individuals. It could have
> happened anywhere, as long as you have users who are willing
> to run untested executables that (unknowingly) contain trojan code.
But when the e-mail comes from one's supervisor, the tendancy is
to trust it.
besides, it really doesn't matter if you open up the virus-laden
excel macro inside your e-mail or if you save it first and then
load it up...you're STILL fucking screwed, because Losedows STILL
doesn't have proper filesystem protection via permission bits or
any other similar scheme.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays.
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:08:41 +0000
John Hughes wrote:
>
> "2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Colin R. Day" wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Great. And what happens if a nuclear missile hits Redmond?
> >
> > There's always hope...
> >
> >
>
> A fine example of the mentallity of a Linux zealot. Sick.
For fuck's sake IT WAS A BLOOODY JOKE
Have you never made a joke in your life, or are you devoid of a sense of
humour?
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Oracle say's Microsoft no good!
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:11:26 +0000
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Tim Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Tim Smith wrote:
> >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >Laugh all you want. Microsoft have lost the server market. Linux is
> > > >making inroads on the desktop. Now that they have been hacked (and not
> > >
> > > The Linux inroads on the desktop are not very big. Linux is a better OS
> > > than any version of Windows, but Microsoft has a much better graphical
> > > shell than anything available for Linux.
> >
> > I am getting so sick of hearing this. What makes the windows explorer
> > shell soooo much better than KDE or GNOME? What? Name ONE THING, and don't
> > resort to application availability issues, because that has nothing to do
> > with the graphical shell.
>
> Hmm... one thing huh? How 'bout "It Works"?
>
> Or:
>
> It's more aestheticly pleasing to the average user
> It's more consistent
> It's been usability tested by usability engineers
> Its security is customizable; you can disable certain menus and options
> It's what KDE is 99% based on, and the original is much better, KDE is a cheap
> knock-off
>
> >
> > Both KDE and GNOME are superior UI's to anything micros~1 has produced.
>
> Says you, unfortunately, you're opinion is so far in the minority, it's
> not even considered a minority.
>
> > The windows shell is one of the worst UI's ever concieved.
>
> Odd that you say that since 100% of KDE is ripped from Windows Explorer,
> although it only exhibits 25% of the functionality.
>
> -Chad
They bear a similarity, but what you makes think KDE took all of it's
ideas from Windows? What about the places that Windows took it's idead
from? KDE took many of it's ideas from those places.
Besides, here is proof that uner 100% of KDE is ripped from Windows: the
name is ripped from CDE (as is quite a lot else)
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Bowen)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: 2 Nov 2000 15:10:57 GMT
In article <3a014565$6$yrgbherq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Jason you may or may not find the exact words you want -- you're trying to
>find a quick proof not of the point of some word that can be made to mean what
>you want to prove your grudge point. -- I can assure I never said OS2
>overcame hardware limits in any context except real-world end user server, so
>give it up, and start looking somewhere else for entertainment.
You are such an ass. Revisionist fuck. The hardware runs the same if it
is being used as a server or a worstation. You are trying to change what
you said, which make you a revisionist asshole. It is noted that you
can't provide links from deja to prove you point.
>
>I suggest you start by looking in the the Student Union. There ought to be
>lots of girls there. Trust me kid, they are more fun then this -- and if your
>not sure what to do with one, try a newsgroup on love or romance.
>
Making stuff up doesn't help your cause either. You can be assured I
won't be thinking of your sorry lying ass when I am at the concert tonight
with several women. I wasn't thinking of you or anyone else last night
other than the "chick", as you like to call them, that I was alone with.
So what will your next attack consist of?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>In <8tqf91$2sm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 11/02/00
> at 01:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Bowen) said:
>
>>In article <3a00af6b$1$yrgbherq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>Jason you're an even bigger asshole then I first thought. In addition to not
>>>being able to think clearly, you can't read carefully either. I never said it
>>>physically overcame the hardware issue. I said it effectively overcame the
>>>problem because its not only too minor to measure and therefore of no matter
>>>in real world use -- but after all this time you still can't point to one
>>>single study or report anywhere from anyone to support your whining. You keep
>>>ignoring that little detail. -- That, plus the fact that you are still
>>>whining about a year later and have continued to whine for all of this time,
>>>does make you an asshole.
>
>>and again from
>>http://www.deja.com/[ST_artlink=x60.deja.com,ST_rn=ap]/jump/http://x60.deja.com/[ST_rn=ap]/getdoc.xp?AN=597133173&search=thread&CONTEXT=972958734.160628801&HIT_CONTEXT=972958420.159383593&HIT_NUM=529&hitnum=39
>
>>> OS2 does over come it in the sense that it does keep track of files and
>>> other things, which do increase the overall performance levels to
>>> something beyond what we see
>>> from Winwhatever.
>
>
>>Gee I don't see you claiming anything about real world performance, I see you
>>claiming that OS/2 overcomes the chipset caching as that was what the thread
>>was about. Grab a thread from deja and prove it if I am wrong. You can't
>>because the post that would prove it doesn't exist and you are a revisionist
>>lying asshole. :-)
>--
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Bowen)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: 2 Nov 2000 15:12:53 GMT
In article <3a0143df$5$yrgbherq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>Jason you're still doing the same thing; making up whining words to prove your
>grudge. Now go away and play with yourself or get a girl or find real proof
>from real-world use. BTW, I'm tried of your little game. Its been a year or
>close to it, and I'd have anymore time to play with children. -- And your
>drivel belows shows that you never understood the point anyway. Think of that.
>After a year you still can't think-through any point but your own. I must say
>I am disappointed to see that you are not capable of learning anything that
>doesn't match your wish to win an meaningless point.
The fact that you can't provide proof for you claims is noted. All of
deja at your disposal and yet you couldn't provide anything other than
trying to claim that the proof I provided meant something different.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>n <8tqeg3$2ib$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 11/02/00
> at 01:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Bowen) said:
>
>>In article <3a00af6b$1$yrgbherq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>In <8tp8g2$d86$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 11/01/00
>>> at 02:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Bowen) said:
>>>
>>>>In article <39ff6852$1$yrgbherq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Jason you asshole, either prove me wrong (prove there is a demostrateable and
>>>>>severe enough-to-measure productivity hit for the user of OS2 because the
>>>>>low-level cache can't access memory above 64K, when the user is running OS2
>>>>>native multi-threaded programs, and the real-world work is/is not balanced
>>>>>with the productivity gains of multi-tasking other work (programs) -- whether
>>>>>used/not used in a worker-oriented (work-as-he-chooses or works-best) mode
>>>>>that is not limited by the software design.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>You obviously don't know jack, you just through out jargon. I did prove you
>>>>wrong, the link showed what the topic at hand was and somebody else corrected
>>>>you too. When you tried to claim that OS/2 overcame a hardware issue you
>>>>obviously showed your ignorance and as they say, ignorance is bliss. Right
>>>>here in this thread you claimed that you never said OS/2 overcame harware and
>>>>I provided a link where you claim that it does because, and I quote
>>>
>>>Jason you're an even bigger asshole then I first thought. In addition to not
>>>being able to think clearly, you can't read carefully either. I never said it
>>>physically overcame the hardware issue. I said it effectively overcame the
>>>problem because its not only too minor to measure and therefore of no matter
>>>in real world use -- but after all this time you still can't point to one
>>>single study or report anywhere from anyone to support your whining. You keep
>>>ignoring that little detail. -- That, plus the fact that you are still
>>>whining about a year later and have continued to whine for all of this time,
>>>does make you an asshole.
>
>>You said it overcame it because you didn't know what is being talked about.
>>You can't overcome hardware access times. The point has already been proven.
>>If you don't think this affects real world performance tell me why servers
>>have large caches? Huh Ed, why do you think that is? Because large amounts
>>of ram are no good unless they have a high speed cache? Do you know the
>>difference between a software cache and a disk cache and the cache on a cpu?
>>Are you going to continue with your lies and insults? You lost on this point
>>and yet won't admit to it. If you dont' think this affects real world
>>performance take 2 pentium motherboards, one 430TX and one 430VX. Make all
>>equal including the ram, say 256Mb. Now run benchmarks and run them as
>>servers with heavy loads i.e. 100% ram usage. Jesus Ed, I think Sun and
>>Intel and all those others making chips for servers with large on chip caches
>>are idiots, they should learn from you and see that it doesn't affect real
>>world performance. Fucking idiot. Why do you think most processor today have
>>a large cache on chip? It's because today's memory can't keep up with modern
>>processors. Funny how modern chip design goes along with what I'm claiming
>
>>>
>>>Go away little boy. I'm tired of your constant drivel. I suggest you find a
>>>girl and do something besides play on the internet. You will be a happier
>>>person and maybe you will find other things to do -- although I personally
>>>hope you done breed anymore idiots like you.
>>>
>
>>You're tired of my truths? Tell you what Ed, why don't you give the boys at
>>Intel a call and tell them how stupid their Xeon's with 2Mb of cache built in
>>aren't worth it since you won't see and performance increase in the real
>>world. Here is a fun test for you. Grab an old 486 motherboard install
>>OS/2, run it for awhile. After a while, go into the bios and turn off the
>>cache and get back to me with the results. What a joke you are.
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