Linux-Advocacy Digest #246, Volume #29 Thu, 21 Sep 00 09:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools) (Jack Troughton)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively ("Stuart Fox")
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Bob Germer)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Bob Germer)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Bob Germer)
Re: How low can they go...? (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Bob Germer)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively ("Mike Ruskai")
Re: "Real Unix" Vs Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: The Linux Experience (Roberto Alsina)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jack Troughton)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:55:30 GMT
On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:07:06, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Jack Troughton wrote:
>>
>> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>> >
>> > Jack Troughton wrote:
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 07:54:02, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >Jack Troughton wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:31:39, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > > >> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >Jack Troughton wrote:
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>> > > >> >> >
>> > > >> >> > Jason Bowen wrote:
>> > > >> >> > >
>> > > >> >> > > Bob Germer wrote:
>> > > >> >> > >
>> > > >> >> > > > On 09/18/2000 at 06:38 AM,
>> > > >> >> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Bowen) said:
>> > > >> >> > > >
>> > > >> >> > > > > Except I didn't do that. I pointed to some facts and didn't make
>claims
>> > > >> >> > > > > as fact. CFC's are man made and the CO2 level is verifiably
>higher than
>> > > >> >> > > > > it has been in 600k years.
>> > > >> >> > > >
>> > > >> >> > > > You claim the CO2 level is higher now that it was 600 years ago
>based on
>> > > >> >> > > > experiments on artic ice. You claim that CO2 levels are higher in
>North
>> > > >> >> > > > America when the facts prove they are in deficit!
>> > > >> >> > >
>> > > >> >> > > You don't understand what is being discussed. North America as a
>continent produces less CO2
>> > > >> >> > > than the plant life on it consumes. The rest of the world produces
>way more than is consumed.
>> > > >> >> > > It is called the addtive property of numbers and perhaps and
>elementary algebra class will help
>> > > >> >> > > you understand.
>> > > >> >> >
>> > > >> >> > Then maybe you ought to convince those OTHER countries to reform THEIR
>> > > >> >> > ways, and keep your fucking opinions to yourself in this country.
>> > > >> >> >
>> > > >> >> > MORON
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> You really are into silencing dissent, aren't you? I was under the
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >No. I'm into getting the Ignorami among us to stop spreading their
>> > > >> >baseless PROPAGANDA.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> How do you know it's propaganda?
>> > >
>> > > Note: No response.
>>
>> Still no answer on this question. C'mon Aaron, tell us why it's
>> propaganda.
And yet again, Aaron is incapable of defining why it's propaganda.
Here's a hint Aaron; it's not self-evident in the way the truths of
the American Constitution are.
>> > > >> >> impression that the intellectual foundations of the US system of
>> > > >> >> governance were all about making sure that people didn't keep their
>> > > >> >> opinions to themselves.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >Are you saying arguing that it is good to NOT oppose liars....
>> > > >>
>> > > >> You can oppose liars all you want... until the method of opposition is
>> > > >> silencing them. Or have you forgotten the right to speech enshrined in
>> > > >> the US consititution?
>> > > >
>> > > >I'm calling on YOU to be a good man and STOP SPREADING LIES.
>> > >
>> > > Exactly what lies is it you're accusing me of?
>> > >
>> >
>> > The Eco-bullshit propaganda...
>>
>> Sorry, that does not suffice as an answer. What lie exactly is it
>> you are accusing me of? Go find a quote where I lied. 'Eco-bullshit
>> propaganda' is a nice vagueness that may satisfy the weak-minded
>> paranoiacs among the audience, but hardly suffices as anything more
>> than a wild accusation by the intellectually bankrupt. Try again.
>>
>
>Are you really that fucking stupid that you don't know what the thread
>is about?
>
>Check the fucking SUBJECT LINE you imbecile.
I don't care about the subject of the thread. You said I was lying.
I'm asking you to point to the lie that I said.
It seems to me that you are in fact incapable of doing so, so you are
resorting to name calling to try and cover up your mendacity.
Pitiable or contemptible; either you are incapable of argument or
unwilling to argue and so resort to name calling.
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* Jack Troughton jake at jakesplace.dhs.org *
* http://jakesplace.dhs.org ftp://jakesplace.dhs.org *
* Montréal PQ Canada news://jakesplace.dhs.org *
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:14:35 +0100
"Jack Troughton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED].
ca...
> You could do what they did with OS/2 in Goldeneye; it had prominently
> displayed OS/2 desktops on the machines in that control centre they
> had... the desktop is quite distinctive, and easy to recognize for
> those that know what it looks like.
Presumably that means you'd be preaching to the (mostly) converted? If you
know what the OS/2 desktop looks like, then you'remost likely using it. If
you don't know what it looks like, they haven't gained anything...
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From: Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:09:48 GMT
On 09/20/2000 at 11:30 PM,
Peter Ammon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > Also the movies are a business not an Apple welfare office. Do you
> > realy think that if Compaq made a better offer they'd turn them down?
> Yes, frankly, I do.
Then you truly are a total moron.
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From: Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:18:12 GMT
On 09/20/2000 at 11:38 PM,
Peter Ammon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Now consider: who do you think came up with that idea for the script? I
> doubt very much that Apple approached the producers with suggestions
> about the script. And, by extension, the producers had to come to Apple
> to ask permission...not the other way around.
You truly are a moron. There is no mention of Apple in the book. That was
added in Hollywood where one cannot get anything without paying through
the nose. Apple paid plenty to get that added to the script.
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From: Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:38:41 GMT
On 09/20/2000 at 11:41 PM,
Peter Ammon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Macs cost more because they're not a commodity. I have no problems
> admitting that when I buy a Mac I'm paying way more than the sum of the
> costs of the components and the labor required to put it together. It's
> still worth it to me.
Then you are a simpering idiot fooled by lies and distortions.
> > They've got you all so convinced that you've got the "best thing
> > going" that they don't even have to produce it. If it says Apple on it some people
> > are going to blow a gasket telling you how revolutionary and how much "better" it
>is
> > than everything else when most of the percieved benefits are the intangibles
>they've
> > been sold.
> Are you saying that I buy Macs because I've been fooled by the Apple
> marketing department?
Absolutely. Other than for game development or game playing or high end
graphics development in an advertising agency or department, there is no
intellectual reason to choose an Apple product.
A few years ago, every computer in schools was an Apple II variant. Today,
Apples represent less than 5% of computers found in schools. Retailers who
were exclusively Apple 5 years ago are either gone or predominately Intel
today.
I just looked at our local Yellow Pages which covers much of the New
Jersey suburbs of Philadelphia. In the October 1993 edition, there were 17
dealers listed under Apple's Logo. Only 2 were listed offering other
brands. In the October 1999 edition there are only 2 and both are
primarily Intel platform firms.
Sears locally sells both Intel and Apple computers. Intel outsell Apple
more than 18 to 1 according to department management. I asked why Apple
was so prominently displayed if sales were so low. He replied that Apple
had bought the shelf space and they were obligated by contract to provide
it.
In the 1980's and early 1990's there was a chain called Johnathon's Apple
in this region. Today it is called Johnathon's Computers. They still offer
Apples but only by special order. None is carried in stock other than
display models.
In 10 pages of advertisements and listings under the various Computer
categories in our local phone book, the name Apple and/or the Apple logo
appears exactly 3 times. Two of those ads are for Johnathon's computers
mentioned above and the logo appears along side that of IBM, Compaq, HP,
etc. Only 2 of the myriad of computer repair firms mention Apple,
Johnathon's and something called Factory Service.
Some cultural icon.
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:20:20 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> >
> > Said JS/PL in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> > >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> Said JS/PL in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> > >> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> >> Said JS/PL in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >I hate to break it to you but - you are supporting Windows.
You are
> > >> >> >unnecessarily relying on the very company you are bashing,
which only
> > >> >> >mirrors you ingnorance to the world.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> So now "supporting" becomes "relying on"?
> > >> >
> > >> >No - it becomes "unnecessarily relying on", dim bulb... notice
the word
> > >> >"unnecessarily".
> > >>
> > >> Care to supply the amazing amount of research you've done to
determine
> > >> if I or ELTRAX has incorrectly determined what is necessary for
us to
> > >> run out business?
> > >
> > >What's this have to do with the fact that you post anti-microsoft
statements
> > >to usenet in your leisure time USING the very software you
apparently hate?
> >
> > The reason I hate it. Get it? Its called a monopoly.
>
> You didn't answer the question, Max. Why don't you use Linux at home?
> If you are worried about having to relearn everything then why not try
> Mandrake 7.1 with KDE2.0? It's sufficiently Windows-like. I've used
> krn and it's not that big a jump from Agent. You could probably make
> yourself alot happier if you'd just switch.
Yikes. Now there's a reason to make KRN not free ;-)
--
Roberto Alsina (Author of a large chunk of KRN)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:54:06 GMT
On 09/21/2000 at 01:46 AM,
Osugi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> No need to consider him / her a liar. S/he may just be wrong. It is
> widely believed that companies make arrangements with hollywood studios
> to get their products placed in movies. Last I heard, there were rumours
> that this was the case with the cars, watches, and alcohol in recent
> Bond movies. I don't know if those companies actually paid for screen
> time for their products or not, but it is possible.
You people better learn to read the screen credits on movies and TV shows.
Very frequently companies are listed as having provided some sort of
remuneration for use/display/mention of their products.
Part of the tobacco suits settlement was that manufacturers would CEASE
paying to have smoking depicted in films or their brand names shown or
mentioned. Now you won't see American, Liggett, etc. listed in the
credits, you can be sure the governments pressing the suits had ample
evidence that they were indeed paying JUST TO HAVE people SEEN smoking.
Why do you suppose that James Bond switched car brands? Look at the
credits. It's there for anyone to read.
> So, I find it quite possible that Apple arranges for their computers to
> by used in movies. It is also possible that they are used (as you said)
> because they look "cooler" than most non-Apple boxes. Just because
> samurai hasn't provided any evidence to back up his claim, and thus
> might be wrong, doesn't make him a liar.
Absolutely. Moreover, I never look for computer companies when looking at
credits. In fact I rarely look at the credits and frequently on network
shows they are so small no one can read them because the local affiliate
puts its promotions along side the credits which are pushed into the right
or left 20% of the screen and are unreadable.
But rent a movie and take time to read all the credits. Down there after
the best boy, key grip, third unit administrative assistant, etc. will be
those products whose makers paid for the use of those products.
> (Here is an idea for movie studios: Make a movie featuring lots of
> computer equipment and jargon. Then tell MS that every machine will be a
> mac and the os mentioned will be linux. MS should be willing to pay at
> least US$1,000 per word to change "linux" to "windows" and maybe even
> some money to change the macs to Dells or Compaqs. With a good script,
> MS might even finance the whole movie.)
Isn't Apple tied in with Speilberg and Gates in some graphics company?
Gates wouldn't care because he supplies 90% of the software run on Apples.
Dreamworks SKG is it? The S is Speilberg, the G is Gates. Isn't the K
someone tied in with Apple?
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From: "Mike Ruskai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Mike Ruskai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:43:02 GMT
On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:10:16 -0400, Peter Ammon wrote:
>samurai wrote:
>>
>> "Peter Ammon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > Mike Byrns wrote:
>> > >
>> > > You mean Jeff Goldblume? The same Jeff Goldblume that has appeared in
>> > > several Apple Computer television commercials? The one that's on the
>> > > Apple payroll? Do you know that Apple pays big bucks in hollywood to
>> > > get it's computers in "cool" movies like Independence Day?
>> >
>> > I don't believe you. Can you back this up?
>> >
>> > -Peter
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/hotnews/features/starringapple.html
>>
>> Live and learn, Peter. I saw an episode of Felicity that had a character
>> bragging about his new iMAC, "It's really neat. It's so fast!". He said
>> this after Felicity asked, "Wow! Is that the new iMAC?". Do you really
>> think a writer would put a line like that in a script (especially about an
>> iMAC!!) without BIG BUCKS being offered?
>>
>> --Samurai
>
>I doubt that Forlenza pays "big bucks" with the small budget she's
>described as having.
>
>In fact, the article describes producers actively seeking out Apple
>products. "It has to be a Mac, and we can t use anything else."
>
>When you see a Mac on television, it's like seeing a Coke. Both are
>simply part of pop culture.
You're very naive.
Did you know that companies paid for product placement at the OJ Simpson
trial? No video medium is immune. A long time ago, producers had to get
the permission of the parent company to put a product on display in an
entertainment piece.
Now, the companies fight over who gets the product placement.
--
- Mike
Remove 'spambegone.net' and reverse to send e-mail.
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: "Real Unix" Vs Linux
Date: 21 Sep 2000 12:49:33 GMT
In comp.unix.admin Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What's prerelease about KDE 1.1.2?
>From the KDE-1.1.2 Press Release:
"Practically all Linux and *BSD distributions are
expected to incorporate KDE 1.1.2 in future releases."
They don't as yet. This means they're incorporating an earlier, less stable
version, and from my experience of KDE & GNOME (& linux generally) it's
less stable than NT.
Nothing personal - just my opinion. This isn't aimed at the KDE developers -
it's aimed at people like R*d H*t who (as they did with RedHat6.1's KDE) package
something up, claiming stability and robustness, and it turns out to be
pre-beta software.
Sure the user can upgrade, but as I said earlier in the thread, the average
windows user can't work an ftp client.
J
--
John M Dow
Director, Systems - dowcarter, Edinburgh, Scotland
"Mixing Kittens and Asps is most definitely a recipe for larger Asps."
Aquarion, in C.S.S.
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Linux Experience
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:10:14 -0300
El lun, 18 sep 2000, Jake Taense escribió:
>Spent some of my Sunday helping out a friend with a problem.
>
>Seems she has been happily using Linux for most things (RedHat 6.2) for a
>little bit now. However, like many users, she disliked the lack of Truetype
>support.
>
>So, she called up another linux user and asked what she could do to fix that.
>
>"Oh, just add a truetype font server."
>
>"Where can I get that?"
>
>"I'll mail you a link. Download the tarball and make sure you follow the
>instructions in the INSTALL file."
>
>To her credit, she did exactly that. She downloaded the right file, extracted
>it properly, and followed the instructions precisely. She replaced the
>existing xfs file with the new one as indicated in the INSTALL file, replaced
>the man page, and the other files as necessary, taking care to back up the
>originals.
>
>Finally, the moment of truth - she rebooted. What happened? The xfs server
>failed during initialization. She uses the redhat graphical login. Result? A
>machine that just sat and kept switching video modes. Killing the x-server
>with ctrl-alt-backspace didn't fix it. All she could do was ctrl-alt-delete,
>which shut everything down.
>
>She was without a machine until I could come over and fix it.
>
>"What was I supposed to do?" she asked.
>
>"You did everything fine. In fact, I'm glad this happened. Welcome to the
>linux experience."
Better answer: "Don't get desperate, and wait 3 minutes until init stops
respawining xdm".
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Roberto Alsina
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