Linux-Advocacy Digest #260, Volume #29 Fri, 22 Sep 00 12:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (dc)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (chrisv)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Jim Naylor)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:09:56 +0200
sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Your opinion. I am sure that many W2K developers would say the same
> thing about MacOS.
>
> Still the opinion of ONE developer is NOT going to get me to switch
> systems!
You don't get it, it's not that ONE developer likes MacOS X, it's that
THIS one developer likes MacOS X. Both Wintrolls and Linutix were
triumphant when Carmack said "MacOS sux" 2-3 years ago, because his word
was gospell.
Lars T.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:10:07 +0200
Jeff Szarka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's a good thing Apple finally has a decent OS but unless Apple ports
> it to x86 it's doomed to join the likes of.. well... the current MacOS
> and BeOS PPC.
Or BeOS x86, or GEOS x86, or OS/2 x86 ...
> I actually don't see why Apple is so scared of x86... I'm sure their
> cultists... or... loyalists rather... would still pay the fruit tax
> and pay 25-50% more for a Apple PC over a Dell PC.
>
> I bet a lot of PC users would consider buying a x86 imac. In the end,
> it'd help them a lot more than it'd hurt them.
Bull, people don't care about x86 (they may about "Intel inside"),
neither do they care about Windows. They want to run the CD-ROMs they
buy at WalMart. They want to download porn or MP3s from the "Internet".
Lars T.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:10:24 +0200
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > That is not CLIMATE, fool.
No, CLIMATE is the Communist League to Infiltrate and Manipulate
American Teachers and Educators. Damn, you discovered our plans again.
Lars T.
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From: dc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:13:37 -0500
On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:09:52 -0500, Bryant Brandon
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dc
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>@On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:35:43 -0500, Bryant Brandon
>@<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>@
>@> Well, it's been put in all the labs at UNT, so far nothing works. I
>@>suppose that's a "feature." My machine in the Tech Writing Lab give me
>@>a "Disk Full" error whenever I try to log in. From what I hear all the
>@
>@Geee..what do you think that means?
>@
>@C'mon, guys. Think!
>@
>@Obviously whoever installed that didn't - or students are having fun
>@putting files where they shouldn't. It's trivial to fix, though - log
>@in over the network (from another machine) and toss a few files away.
>
> Obviously, except that the C: drive is hidden. We can only save
Then someone got around it... or your net admins didn't make C: big
enough at install time. Or any of a host of other issues. For
example, where are user profiles kept?
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From: Mayor Of R'lyeh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:18:10 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:52:28 -0400, Peter Ammon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
chose to bless us with this bit of wisdom:
>
>
>Mayor Of R'lyeh wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:35:18 -0400, Peter Ammon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> chose to bless us with this bit of wisdom:
>>
>> >Mayor Of R'lyeh wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:30:19 -0400, Peter Ammon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> chose to bless us with this bit of wisdom:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Mayor Of R'lyeh wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:21:56 -0400, Peter Ammon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> chose to bless us with this bit of wisdom:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Timberwoof wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "samurai"
>> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > Facts don't really change anything for brainwashed Mac people. You
>> >> >> >> > had to go to APPLE's web site and find the information for them...
>> >> >> >> > and they will still go back to OSTRICH MODE. Damn capslock key (must
>> >> >> >> > be my cheap beige keyboard).
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > --Samurai
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > "Mike Byrns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> >> >> > > Peter Ammon wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > Mike Byrns wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > > You mean Jeff Goldblume? The same Jeff Goldblume that has
>> >> >> >> > > > > appeared in several Apple Computer television commercials? The
>> >> >> >> > > > > one that's on the Apple payroll? Do you know that Apple pays
>> >> >> >> > > > > big bucks in hollywood to get it's computers in "cool" movies
>> >> >> >> > > > > like Independence Day?
>> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > I don't believe you. Can you back this up?
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Sure! Here you go.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > http://www.info.apple.com/pr/press.releases/1996/q3/960628.pr.rel.fo
>> >> >> >> > > x.ht ml
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Heh.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> But for the rest of us Mac people who aren't brainwashed, facts work.
>> >> >> >> What's the big deal about Apple paying for product placement? You know,
>> >> >> >> if Apple *didn't* do that, someone somewhere would be throwing a hissy
>> >> >> >> fit that Apple isn't following up this most obvious marketing technique.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I take issue with the implication that Apple has to seek out producers
>> >> >> >and ask them to add their machines. On the contrary, it looks as though
>> >> >> >the producers are falling over themselves to get Macs into their films.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >-Peter
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Then please explain the purpose of the Apple Product Placement Team
>> >> >> refered to in the article. If everyone is falling all over themselves
>> >> >> why does Apple need a team dedicated to getting their products placed?
>> >> >
>> >> >At the very least, they need a team to interact with producers who want
>> >> >to place their products.
>> >>
>> >> If you think that's all they're doing then you need to think again.
>> >
>> >If you think that Apple doesn't need a team to interact with producers
>> >who want to place Apple products, you need to think again.
>>
>> Again I say if you think that's all they do you need to think again.
>> They are also activiely seeking opportunities to place Apple's
>> products. I don't know why this is so hard for you to accept. Its not
>> an unusual practice.
>
>I do accept that. But the point is that such a team is not proof that
>producers aren't eagerly trying to place Apple products, as you implied.
Its in the nature of business to go with the most lucrative option.
Even if the people preferred Apples they're not going to go with them
out of the goodness of their hearts.
And I would also like to point out that you have offered nothing but a
breathless extrapolation from an Apple press release as evidence that
people are falling all over themselves to use them. That's almost less
than no evidence.
>
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> >> Also the movies are a business not an Apple welfare office. Do you
>> >> >> realy think that if Compaq made a better offer they'd turn them down?
>> >> >
>> >> >Yes, frankly, I do.
>> >>
>> >> Peter Ammon- Cornell student and RDF sufferer. Please give generously
>> >> so that we may rid this poor boy of his affliction. Mail your checks
>> >> to:
>> >>
>> >> The Peter Ammon Help Fund
>> >> PO Box 104
>> >> Middletown, IN 47356
>> >
>> >I don't see why this is hard to accept.
>>
>> Because its bullshit.
>>
>
>Are you willing to write Apple and accuse them of lying, then?
Where is Apple lying, Peter? Nowhere in any of the links to press
releases do they state the same things you are. They're certainly
putting their spin on things but its you that's arriving at the
bullshit conclusions.
>
>>
>> > There's an image and a symbolism associated with Apple that isn't there for
>Compaq or HP.
>> >Producers can take advantage of that to help develop the characters and setting.
>>
>> How many characters do producers really want to come across as
>> semi-computer literate mindless members of cult that worships a
>> company?
>
>I'm guessing that most people don't think of "mindless members of a
>cult" when they think of Apple.
No most people probably think of an orchard when the think of apple.
>
>>
>> >
>> >Here's an analogy. A man, tired from a hard day of work, is shown at a
>> >drive through. He orders a burger, some fries, and a Coke. The
>> >audience nods assent...they've been there before.
>> >
>> >The next man orders a burger, some fries, and a Safeway Select Cola.
>> >The audience looks confused.
>>
>> And how does that relate to Apple? The confusion (Such as it is.
>> People going into a movie are already suspending a large amount of
>> rationality in order to enjoy those movies about aliens, ghosts and
>> characters who are able survive situations that would kill 100 people
>> in real life.) in that situation would be that fast food joints don't
>> sell grocery chain house brands. If anything the prescence of Apples
>> everywhere would be confusing since everyone knows thats not the case
>> in real life.
>
>The point is that Apple is widely associated with a lifestyle and
>mindset.
Outside of the RDF Apple users are associated with being semi-computer
literate half-wits who worship a company as a deity. Even a lot of
Apple users will admit that is the image that Apple users have. Its
mindless drivel like the stuff coming from you that peretuates that.
>Packard Bell is not.
AFAIK Packard Bell is dead. Good riddance to them.
--
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
http://members.xoom.com/Aickman
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:35:12 GMT
On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:44:05 +0100, Garry Knight
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I remember sitting in my local launderette building a Forth-based OS for the
>Spectrum by writing opcodes into a pocket notebook (which, of course, in those
>days was made of paper). Ah, the good ol' days... :o)
You think that's bad, in tech school (early 80's) we each had to build
a simple Z80 computer. Programming this computer was done via direct
machine-code (of course). The really bad part was that loading the
program into memory consisted of flipping switches on a 8-position DIP
switch for each byte, followed by a press of a button to load that
byte in. Talk about stupid!
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From: Jim Naylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: 22 Sep 2000 15:38:11 GMT
In article <39cb780a$0$34975$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
> Outside of the RDF Apple users are associated with being semi-computer
> literate half-wits who worship a company as a deity. Even a lot of
> Apple users will admit that is the image that Apple users have. Its
> mindless drivel like the stuff coming from you that peretuates that.
Ummm, when does your term expire, yer onner? You gonna run again?
--
Jim Naylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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