Linux-Advocacy Digest #260, Volume #34 Sun, 6 May 01 16:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: I think I've discovered Flatfish's true identity... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Re: Alan Cox responds to Mundie ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Yet another IIS security bug ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Why does Flatfoot feel so threatened? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux has one chance left......... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux has one chance left......... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I think I've discovered Flatfish's true identity...
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 15:15:54 -0400
Michael Vester wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Michael Vester wrote:
> > >
> > > "." wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Flatfish is a girl.
> > > >
> > > > You think so?
> > > >
> > > > -----.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > "Great babylon has fallen, fallen, fallen;
> > > > Jerusalem has fallen, fallen, fallen!
> > > > The great, Great Beast is DEAD! DEAD! DEAD! DEAD!"
> > >
> > > Just a hunch. Flatfish does write well. Also, in one posting, Flatfish
> > > admits being a girl.
> >
> > As if anything Flatfish says is believable.
> >
> Flatfish is right about Linux not supporting obscure sound cards or that
> Linux does not have an extensive collection of sound editing software
> applications. There is a bit of credibility there. Open source developers,
> stop whatever your doing and write some code so that Flatfish can compose
> little music jingles on Linux.
Even a stopped clock is right twice/day.
>
> Flatfish puts some effort into her/his posting. She/he goes into great
> detail when describing botched up installations. I have met many women
> that will take an opposing view point just because they enjoy doing so. I
> don't think Flatfish really cares about operating systems, she/he just
> likes to argue. From her/his descriptive posts, Flatfish has put a tiny
> bit of effort into understanding Linux. The other wintrolls that post here
> simply regurgitate Mafia$oft doctrine.
>
> If I was betting, I bet that Flatfish or whatever pseudonym is currently
> in use, is a girl. Like many other minor mysteries in life, this one
> being extremely minor, this is not provable. I enjoy the postings of
> Flatfish. She/he have a very pleasant writing style and she/he is able to
> stir things up. Considering that She/he is one of the best losedos
> advocates, losedos advocacy is certainly in the underdog position now.
>
> >
> > > --
> > > Michael Vester
> > > A credible Linux advocate
> > >
> > > "The avalanche has started, it is
> > > too late for the pebbles to vote"
> > > Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
> >
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
> > DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > ICQ # 3056642
> <snip>
>
> Michael Vester
> A credible Linux advocate
>
> "The avalanche has started, it is
> too late for the pebbles to vote"
> Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Reply-To: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 19:23:16 GMT
Paul Repacholi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Another good source is Radia Perlmans book on networking. I suspect it
> has been, ah, 'well edited' from what she originally said about some
> of the stuff. Also, PhIV was almost done with much larger addresses.
some misc. other stuff. in this era, there was significant
institutional, governmental and public mind-set that things would
shortly all be OSI implementations.
One might be tempted to lump the OSI, X.500, and X.509 efforts all together
misc. additional stuff from the era
Subject: Bill Hancock on "The Controversial DECnet Phase V Route"
A very interesting article was found in the June 25th issue of
"digital review". Bill Hancock, as most DECUS attendees would
agree, is very animated and sometimes controversial when it comes
to networking, DECnet and the surrounding issues.
A quote from the article:
"Running the DECnet Phase V routing algorithm on anything other
than a dedicated network routing system is like asking for a
voluntary lobotomy".
Source: Network World, 8/6/90, pg 1, Jim Brown
Occasion: Interview with Robert McCauley, DEC's OSI migration manager
DECnet V is OSI-based and migration problems are expected
o DEC has setup a migration team to assist customers
- headed by Robert McCauley, OSI migration manager
o DEC's Easynet: a 54,000 node internal network
- three subnets at engineering sites were selected as testbeds
. Reading England, were routers are developed
. Littleton MA, communications and networking
. Nashua NH, VMS engineering
. collectively, the subnets were known as TransitionNet, or T-Net
- the subnets connections to Easynet were maintained
. they talked to each other as well as the Phase IV Easynet
- over the next two quarters, the main part of Easynet will go Phase V
o no production is being done on T-net as yet
- probably at least 6 months away from running production applications
- DECnet/Ultrix, DEC network management, and routers are on T-net, but
VMS Phase V isnt available outside the engineering development sites
What should users be doing?
o thorough planning involving all organizations involved in the network
- "it's imperative that people make a good business case for why they
are migrating to Phase V...because there is some cost to it" McCauley
o the name service has to be carefully looked at
- its much more critical in Phase V than Phase IV
- how many to use, what platforms, access control
- a hierarchic approach is planned on Easynet
. at least two servers at any reasonably sized site (about 200 sites)
. 10 superservers at the second level, maybe as many as 20 later
. they will keep master copies of names and node addresses
. Phase V auto-configuration and auto-registration not planned yet
o the name server function is important due to name translation
- simple names are mapped into physical addresses
- its network-wide, not the VMS commands used today
o customers may need to utilize additional hardware for the function
- as DEC has done
- "It is also not clear, and I guess this is something that has to be
spelled out to each customer - what the incremental cost of the
hardware would be in a particular case"
- some capacity for the name server is needed, but it may be offsetting
. in DECs case the site-servers were seen as needed function anyway
. the superservers are delta due to Phase V
- how much extra capacity is needed will be evaluated as DEC migrates
o capacity planning is needed: Phase V has larger addresses & packets
- "in the worse case, it could be a 20% degradation in circuit
performance"
- "We do expect some degradation in throughput, at least in the first
version of Phase V routing software"
"Some customers need the multiprotocol and multi-T1 link capabilities"
o DEC Router 2000 cannot drive more than one T1
- "At this point I don't think we have anything that addresses that"
- "There is a lot going on <in DEC> to come up with <competitive> routers"
- "we have joint development plans with StrataCom, and have made some
of our protocols available to companies like cisco and Wellfleet"
Source: Communications Week, 9/17/90, pg 1, P. Korzeniowski & A. Knowles
Digital won't "deliver as expected" on its 3 year-old promise on OSI
o DEC had said it would have full OSI support by this year
- DEC announced its DECnet evolutionary program September 1987
. for DECnet Phase V, VMS, Ultrix
- DECnet Phase V will be another 18 months
'Our customers want us to proceed more slowly'
. Audrey Augen, DEC open network software marketing manager
- industry analysts say technical problems between with VMS & Phase V
. performance and functionality both unsatisfactory
- Ultrix, DECs Unix, was demo'ed with Phase V at a recent exhibition
o DEC has concentrated heavily on TCP/IP
- customers don't seem alarmed
o Stanley Rose, Bankers Trust VP of technical architecture
'Given the choice of an expedient product today and a reliable product
next year, I will opt for the reliable product'
- Bankers Trust has a DECnet Phase IV network with 1,000 nodes
- they wanted to migrate directly to OSI with Phase V
. avoiding TCP/IP
'It looks like we'll have to install TCP/IP and we want DEC to provide it'
I believe DECs embrace of TCP/IP is one of the reasons for the delay'
A network management tool was announced, and token-ring support wasn't
o DEC, and the Systems Center, together announced network management tool
- a joint marketing agreement to link Net/Master and DECmcc
. a new network management tool to challenge IBMs NetView
o token-ring support won't be available as expected either
- the announcement was cancelled due to lack of product development funds
. Steve Wendler, The Gartner Group analyst
random refs:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#xtphsp
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#sslcerts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#radius
--
Anne & Lynn Wheeler | [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Alan Cox responds to Mundie
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 15:23:34 -0400
Ketil Z Malde wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> Yep, and my contention is that a BSD-style license will eventually
> >> knock out all the GPL code out there as well; the most free license
> >> will win in the end.
>
> While I don't necessarily think that would be a bad thing, I don't
> think it's likely. For one thing, a corporation would probably be
> more comfortable releasing code under GPL than under BSD - that way,
> competitors couldn't make improvements without also giving them
> back.
>
> Also, with the "nice" BSD license, you can "hijack" code into a GPL
> project, but not vice versa. Thus, in theory, for each BSD project,
> you can have an equal GPL project - in practice, few care enough to
> fork just for the license.
>
> > No. The BSD license allows your code to be hijacked by Gates and
> > other dispicable free-loaders.
>
> Sometimes, this is what you want - e.g. from infrastructure products.
> The bad thing about it, is that corporations tend to use it and abuse
> it - "improve" without sharing changes, and thus breaking things.
> I'm not sure Gates is so much worse than everybody else, but being so
> dominant, he has more to gain by breaking standards - at some point it
> gets easier to replace a Sun box with an NT box, than to replace fifty
> PCs with workstations.
>
> I still think that software (and other "intellectual property")
> produced with public funding, should be as unencumbered as possible.
> Meaning BSD rather than GPL.
>
But we're not talking about projects that originate with public funding.
> -kzm
> --
> If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 15:25:56 -0400
Ray Chason wrote:
>
> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Geez... even "M$" is smart enough not to allow anyone to read the page file.
>
> "chmod 0600 <swapfiles>" (the swap files should be listed in
> /etc/fstab)
>
> You have to be root to do this, of course.
No need. Swapfiles are mode 0600 by default.
>
> --
> --------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
> PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
> Delenda est Windoze
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Yet another IIS security bug
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 22:12:14 +0200
"Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> We're SP4 all the way. What does make a difference is that we have a very
> high quality IT staff (What'd you expect? We're a bank!), and I have the
> nagging feeling that we are running a custom install, because even for NT
> Workstation 4.0, it is *very* bare-bones.
> In the matter of window focus: I know I can use alt-tab to switch to a
> new window, but that is an extra keypress for someone who is by now used
> to OS/2's and IceWM's way of just handing focus to the next window on
> close, instead of to the desktop. That just seems cleaner and more
> logical to me. Note also that I mentioned this as one example of
> braindead UI design. NT has more weird little glitches that are extremely
> irritating, especially Microsoft's insistence on doing everything with
> the mouse. As you realized, I just hate taking my hands from the keyboard
> when I'm typing (from what I've heard, a Mac would reduce me to a
> gibbering wreck).
The one place I'm not aware of keyboard shortcuts is inside an MDI
application.
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q126/4/49.asp
And here I just learned about the MDI shortcut keys.
I don't believe there is much you can't do in windows without a mouse, in
you take the time to memorize it.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 22:13:39 +0200
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:BqfJ6.10396$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "David Vaughan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I dont see how you can say the GPL keeps us from using the code in
useful
> > ways, they simply ask us to share our coding efforts. This prevents
> > reinventing the wheel every time something needs updated and the
original
> > author cant/wont work on it.
> >
> > just my $0.02 worth
>
> That is not all they ask. They also demand that the 'work as a whole' be
> covered by the GPL which is impossible if the work contains any other
> code with existing different restrictions. That is, even if you are
> willing
> to apply the GPL restrictions to your own work, if the whole program
> must contain another protected component controlled by someone else
> (for example, GIF writing code, or some encryption algorithms, or
> client access to a proprietary database, or proprietary networking code)
> then it is impossible to use any GPL code at all, and you are forced to
> reinvent these wheels. The LGPL is much more reasonable in that it
> places no claims on other people's work when used as part of a larger
> program. To understand the issue, you must understand that the
> difference between the GPL and LGPL is precisely the attempt to control
> other people's work.
There are problems with LGPL code using properity code, but on general, I
agree.
David:
LGPL says: "I gives you this code, and whatever you do with this code,
you'll have to show me."
GPL says: "I gives you this code, and whatever you do with this code, as
well as any *other* code you use, you must show me."
As was mentioned FSF seem to ignore Sun's violations of a the GPL.
But in theory, Sun shouldn't be able to ship *any* GPL software with
Solaris, unless it GPL the whole thing.
LGPL, I think, have the same problem, I'm not so sure about it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why does Flatfoot feel so threatened?
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 19:31:02 GMT
On Sun, 06 May 2001 16:21:39 -0000, Ray Chason
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>You mean superior results such as:
>
> 1) Not popping up the Blue Screen of Death at the drop of a hat?
I don't have any problems.
> 2) Not grinding to a halt because you clicked "recalculate" on
> a large spreadsheet?
No. Having a spreadsheet program that is 100 percent compatible with
what the rest of the earth is using.
>
>1) 99% of the software available today doesn't need a Pentium 4, or
> even a Pentium 3, in spite of Microsoft's best efforts to bloat
> everything beyond all reason.
True.
As for bloat, take a good look at what KDE and StarOffice are headed
towards.
>2) If you want to waste your money on AOL or MSN, that's your choice.
> I'd rather have a real ISP, so that
I don't, but the average pre-load comes with an ISP already built into
the price at least for a year or so.
> a) I can choose my own software, and
So can Joe consumer, which is why he doesn't choose Linux.
> b) all my bandwidth is used for moving my stuff instead of
> shoving advertising in my face.
Agreed.
>3) *This* consumer values performance and usefulness over "bells and
> whistles."
So do I. But I prefer useful applications over both of the above and I
choose the platform that does what I require.
>But if you want to waste your money on worthless "features," then
>be my guest.
Ease of use to some people.
>
>If Power Point is a requirement, then Power Point is what you should
>use. If she just needs to be able to show images, then any program
>in that class will do; in a pinch you could even use the Gimp.
When a grade is at stake I prefer to use a known product instead of
being a hero and running a Linux version in the hope that it will work
ok on the teachers PC.
>I did not see even one application on that list that would not be of
>use to someone, somewhere (assuming that they work, an assumption that
>I cannot confirm). Yes, these are niche products. That's part of
>what free software is all about: software should be available to do
>a job, if it is needed, whether the corporations give a damn or not.
I am talking about average Joe here and I didn't see one that anybody
who has used Windows would be interested in. Just by the descriptions,
most are half done, crude little programs.
>GUIs are nice. GUIs are pretty. GUIs are easy.
>
>But most GUI apps can't be batched in any meaningful way.
Joe user doesn't care.
>Ah, yes, the old bandwagon argument again. "Virtually nobody" needs
>"yet another macro assembler that can program the GB-Z80, Z80, 6502,
>6510, and 65816 CPUs" (an actual app from that Freshmeat page),
>therefore it shouldn't be available. Only mass-market apps peddled
>by large corporations should be available.
No. Linux has it's place and amongst the geeks and programmers is
where it belongs. A true geek reading that Freshmeat page would have
an orgasm over all that stuff.
Joe 6-Pack would scratch his head and say "WTF"?
>As for "dubious quality", you are qualified to comment on that only
>if you've used the app on which you are commenting.
As a general statement I have used many applications d/l'd from
Freshmeat and most of the ones I have used are half done and crude
with little or no documentation.
Flatfish
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux has one chance left.........
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 19:32:54 GMT
Yawwwnnnn....
Sticks and stones.....
Flatfish
On Sun, 06 May 2001 14:51:31 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 05 May 2001 19:33:13 GMT, Pete Goodwin
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> >> And as for my real name, you are correct. IMHO only an idiot would
>> >> use her real name in a advocacy group.
>> >
>> >That makes me an idiot then.
>> >
>> >Why not use your real name? What are you afraid of?
>>
>> I have very strong opinions and have always tended to be that way
>> whether it is politics or operating systems or what ever. That doesn't
>> mean that my opinions can't change over time. Why commit myself to
>> something that might change in the future?
>>
>> I don't judge others but I feel it is foolish to use ones own name and
>> I feel that people who ignore the content of a message and focus on
>> that fact are as equally foolish as the grammer/spelling police.
>>
>> Read the message, agree/disagree/debate.
>>
>> flatfish
>
>Just admit it:
>
> you're a fucking COWARD
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux has one chance left.........
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 19:34:29 GMT
No. It would involve my giving my time away for free so that some
corporation could reap the benefits of my work.
I have nothing against the open source movement or the programmers
that dedicate their time and talents for free, but somebody is making
a buck off of Linsux and it isn't them.
Fools...
Flatfish
On Sun, 06 May 2001 15:14:03 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> > On Thu, 3 May 2001 14:46:51 +1200, Matthew Gardiner
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >Do you have ANY IT experience?
>> > >
>> > >Matthew Gardiner
>> >
>> > You would be amazed if I told you where I was in 1979, but I won't. I
>> > will say that I was 19yo so at least you have a clue as to how long I
>> > have been involved in I/T.
>> >
>> > flatfish
>> If you have all this claimed IT experience, why don't you put it to some
>> use by helping out in a Linux project? or would that require some
>> selflessness.
>
>No...it would require something that flatfish lacks even more severely:
>
> COMPETANCE.
>
>
>>
>> Matthew Gardiner
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sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
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