Linux-Advocacy Digest #521, Volume #29 Sun, 8 Oct 00 14:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (Jim Richardson)
Re: 2.4! (Cihl)
Re: Competition ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for? ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: How low can they go...? (Mike Byrns)
Re: The Power of the Future! (Mike Byrns)
Re: Competition (Jesper Krogh)
Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for? ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: The Power of the Future! (Mike Byrns)
Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for? ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for? ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for? ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: To all you WinTrolls (2:1)
Re: The Power of the Future! ("JS/PL")
Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for? (2:1)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for? (David M. Butler)
Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for? (2:1)
Re: To all you WinTrolls ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Aaron R. Kulkis [Off-Topic Idiot Tres Grande] (2:1)
A wierd bit in linux (2:1)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (T. Max Devlin)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 23:11:54 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 07 Oct 2000 22:48:43 -0400,
Mark Hall, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
>> knee-jerk altruism is the road to ruin.
>
>http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
>
>Oh me. Another delusion paranoid flapping in the wind. And what a gem of
>logic he has lobbed our way. He seems to enjoy hurling coiled and fetid
>rantings of lunacy. Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll eat his own head as
>he walks on his breath.
>Check out the link he left us with. Joy to the world.
>If I did own a gun I'd have to swallow it after reading anymore of his
>posts.
>
>--The road to hell is paved by fools with long sig lines.
So are your suicidel tendencies only active around firearms, or do you
have the urge to jump of a tall building after reading his posts?
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 2.4!
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 17:12:52 GMT
Bartek Kostrzewa wrote:
>
> Well, I just moved to 2.4 test 9... I must say, I'm impressed! All my
> USB devices working... great... great... great *jaw lying on the ground
> after compilation* ... WOW! I love it!
>
> Hmm.. with this kernel, and some more work by the GNOME foundation and
> Helixcode Linux can finally kick some real butt on the Desktop (together
> with NVidia hardware, we just need a damn open-source GL driver *g*).
>
> I'm so proud.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Bartek Kostrzewa - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <<< http://technoage.web.lu >>>
I know exactly what you mean. i've got my HP4100C scanner (USB)
working nicely since test2. It's really nice how you can start a scan,
and just continue working until it's done scanning. It never required
any installation/driver disks/reboot either.
Linux' power is something you really have to get used to.
Also, i've noticed a DRAMATIC speed increase between test2 and test9.
Booting the machine now takes about 20 seconds, instead of 40.
Operating the machine feels much more responsive. What's the
difference?
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Competition
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:08:46 +0100
>What is your point exactly? It strikes me that although MS may use bits
>and bobs of stuff from open source apps, they make a poor job of it.
Don't forget that they cannot use any code from GNU licence software without
supplying then end product with full sourcecode or being prosecuted for
breaking the terms of the licence. I'd like to see them try to defend that
one on top of the DOJ case (copyright theft will not do them much good).
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for?
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:12:31 +0100
>> At work I develop audio device drivers for Windows. So, no matter what I
>> do, my interest in Windows isn't going away any time soon.
>>
Are you sure that Loki ported quake as I thought I read somewhere that ID do
at least some of their development on linux then port the end product to
windoze?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 17:19:17 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on 8 Oct 2000 03:40:24 GMT
<8roqb8$mit$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
[snip]
>Why exactly do I need to run w2k in a house full of BSD machines again?
Uh...because it's a Better(tm) Operating(tm) System(tm)?
Better: it's better at making Microsoft money.
Operating: Well, it works.
System: It's part of a computer system. Any resemblance to something
systematic, of course, is in the eye of the beholder.
:-) :-) :-)
[.sigsnip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
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From: Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 17:20:14 GMT
JS/PL wrote:
> "Mike Byrns" <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com> wrote to T. Max Devlin
>
> > You are irrational and inflammatory. Votes on this from COMNA? Cmon
> folks who
> > thinks Max is irrational and inflammatory?
>
> Got my vote.
There's one!
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From: Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Power of the Future!
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 17:24:26 GMT
Dolly wrote:
> Mike Byrns wrote:
> >
> > Dolly wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > Only problem is, according to IDC, Windows numbers
> > > are slipping backward... ie: -3%, -15%, -10% (9X/ME,
> > > IIShit, NT/2K) or perhaps the second one was -13%
> > > on iDC and -15% on some web server monitoring
> > > and stats page... and declining.
> >
> > You're going to post a link to back that claim up right? I'd be interested to see
> > their sources and methodologies and the sites sampled. I think it's funny that
> > with that kind of news to report, none of the media outlets have picked it up.
> > Sounds like bullshit to me but I'll retract that when that link is posted.
>
> www.IDC.com - you can buy your own membership.
You don't make the information public you are assumed a liar. I'm sure that the media
hacks have their own access to IDC and so far I've not seen a whisper of this "most
important story of the decade". I still claim it's bullshit since you refuse to prove
me wrong.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jesper Krogh)
Subject: Re: Competition
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 19:20:46 +0200
> >What is your point exactly? It strikes me that although MS may use bits
> >and bobs of stuff from open source apps, they make a poor job of it.
>
> Don't forget that they cannot use any code from GNU licence software without
> supplying then end product with full sourcecode or being prosecuted for
> breaking the terms of the licence. I'd like to see them try to defend that
> one on top of the DOJ case (copyright theft will not do them much good).
But how can anyone know ?
I mean can they freely use the code without anyone knowing about it ?
--
./Jesper Krogh.
The Goal is world domination, no more, no less.
This means that your PC should run linux too.
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for?
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:22:20 +0100
>
>Like 3,652 compilers, 9,522 text editors, 4,517 shells and many
>other duplicated applications which don't really amount to much.
>
>Unless you're developing C programs for Unix or Linux itself, there
>is very little, if any productivity from Linux as a desktop.
>
I currently use linux at work for our weekly data backup onto CD on an old
Cyrix 166mhz based PC ( and until recently it was a P90) as linux
applications make it easier to create list of what to backup ( I have
written a script to add all directories under 2 weeks old into a project for
KISOCD ) whereas under windows all CDR software I tried I had to waste up to
an hour manually creating CDR project every week and also the linux software
seems a lot less likely to cause buffer-underrun errors ( on the P90 windows
could only just keep writing buffer 5 to 10% full during writing but under
linux it never dropped below 95% full).
The machine is still dual-boot with windows though so nobody can moan about
me using un-approved software in the company (we are a software company
producing windows software so it may not look good using linux while any
visitors are here).
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From: Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Power of the Future!
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 17:33:37 GMT
Dolly wrote:
> Sam wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 07 Oct 2000 15:03:43 GMT, Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Is of course Linux.
> >
> > Exclusively ? I think not!
> >
> > >The power of Linux is of course the GNU/GPL.
> >
> > It may also be it's weakness.
> >
> > >Does everybody agree that Linux has the best desktop? NO, HELL NO!
> > >Is Linux still growing? YES HELL YES!
> >
> > From zero it's all up from there
> > <snip>
> >
> > >How fast is Microsoft growing on that hill top? 1%.
> >
> > If Microsoft kept growing at the rate it did for the last 5-10-15-20
> > years (pick one) it would soon be, not only the total IT industry,
> > but the entire economy. Obviously not sustainable
> >
> > >
> > >How fast is Linux growing? 5 - 7 % per year for almost 8 years.
> >
> > From zero it's all up from there
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > >Does Microsoft make hardware? Hardly, NO. That Microsoft mouse or
> > >keyboard is subcontracted out.
> > >They don't make anything but software.
> >
> > AMD don't own a fab shop, does that make them not a threat to Intel ?
> >
>
> Really? That's weird... AMD has MADE chips for
> Intel when Intel couldnt keep up... what do you
> think the little M AMD meant? MANUFACTURED by
> AMD. I have a bunch here they made for Intel.
> It's part of what gained them access to the
> Intel x86 architecture - making a bunch for
> Intel when they were in the bind.
Christ are you going to be one of those Kulkis, Devlins and Blacks that
make these wild ass statements that stretch credibility and then post no
evidence to back it up? When the hell was this momentus event supposed to
have happened? AMD did make 386 and 486 chips but they were NOT Intel
designs. BTW, I agree with you that AMD do own fabs, in Texas and Germany
but I, after having been a Intel and Microsoft systems engineer and
programmer for over a decade have no recollection of AMD EVER making chips
for Intel.
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for?
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:28:46 +0100
>Either way, Win2K Terminal Services beat them both.
>
How does win2k Terminal server beat using X?
can Win2k display it's output on most hardware platforms ( X display servers
are available for Mac, Sun, Windows, BSD, Linux, DOS, Amiga, ST, and most
other 16 bit or above computers).
Does Win2k use as little network trafffic as an X Client/server system?
Does Win2k run stable enough with a couple of hundred users connected
without crashing and in the process losing all work being done by all of
those users?
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for?
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:31:48 +0100
> On the other hand the w98 side is for games and my tv card.
Can't your TV card work under linux - if it is based on a BTTV chipset then
it should work under Linux with no problems.
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for?
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:33:30 +0100
> I use Linux for most of my stuff. Do my word processing, internet
>browsing, email, usenet, a couple games (I'm not a big gamer, so I don't
>mind the limited selection right now), some programming, etc. Currently I
>only use windows to download the pictures from my digital camera, since
>Linux doesn't work with it yet.
Have you tried GPhoto (I think this is the correct name) as this supports
most digital cameras?
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: To all you WinTrolls
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 18:44:58 +0100
> > That's utter bullshit. Why the hell should I waste money (which I don't
> have
> > too much of to waste) upgrading my computer when it works well as it is.
> If my
> > OS took up 65M of ram an a clean boot, I'd be pissed off too. Oh, by the
> way, i
> > do take my computer use very seriously, I'm just able to do it in less RAM
> than
> > you.
>
> Then you're not running much, are you? I don't call adding ram to my pc a
> waste of money. On a standard red hat installation without X running you're
> looking at 30mb's minimum. You can trim that for sure. But what do you have?
> A really good shell or two, a decent compiler, a few good editors and not
> much else.
> Launch X and you're near 60mb's if you're running a recent (popular)
> desktop.
> Ram bloat -waste was the issue. A year ago ram was less < $1 a mb. I bought
> it up at that price.
I run a modified version of RH5.2 It does not use 60m just to run itself
and X. I use FVWM for all my X needs and I prefer it to a lot of the
newer desktops. I also happen to use my computer for misc mathematical
simulations. They do have a tendance to swallow what ever resources you
could care to throw at them, so I run a little more than not much.
Also, cheap SIMMS seem quite hard to come by at the moment.
> > Real productivity? Are you capable of realising that other people like
> > different things from you? I do a lot of programming. What use is a big
> GUI for
> > me? Hint... NONE AT ALL (I use vi and SVGATextMode). I personally don't
> like
> > the windows GUI. The lack of focus-follows-mouse and MDI interfaces really
> bug
> > me.
>
> Of course. When learning C, linux was great. I didn't have my choice of too
> many 'free' C compilers for windows. The c++ compilers for learning c on
> windows are like swatting a fly with a bazooka. Shell programming is fun. I
> like it. If that's all you need then that's great!
> But, guess what, the other 90% of the computing world wants more. More means
> more ram. Simple to me..what's the problem?
I just rekon that
The only thing that my computer holds me back in is heavyweight simpu
> As for the mouse focus, tweakui
> provides this, with options for the window activation as well. MDI is going
> going just about gone as well.
I'm glad MDI is nearly dead. It deserves to die.
> MS dumped it inWord 2000. Other apps will
> follow. RAD packages make more sense as MDI, so do databases and so on.
Ah, so now, not only do I need more RAM, but I need a new Office Suite,
a faster processor and probably a new version of windows? Great...
> If
> you want to stay in a terminal based world then that's fine.
> But don't cry when we're talking about ram needs for modern gui based
> computing.
You were reckoning that the Linux UIs gave no real productivity. I was
disputing this claim. Have my computing needs changed from 4 years ago
when 72M was quite a lot of memory? No, they havent. I still do the same
old shit, programming, word processing, mailing etc etc. Strangely,
since my needs haven't changed, neither have my RAM needs.
> > > The only problem I ever have with Linux is when loading big
> > > "windows-world" applications. These same applications that are as much a
> > > part of the computing world right now as bash is to linux.
> >
> > I have had no real problem running Word Perfect, Star Office, Netscape and
> even
> > Office 97 under Linux.
>
> I've not run office 97 under linux..hehe.. but star is a complete bug fest.
> Word perfect I'd like to try one day.
I haven't had as many problems with StarOffice as with Office 97 under
windows. Office 97 was being very wierd today. Copying and pasting
pictures done in word draw caused them to change slightly, in irritating
ways. Odd.
> Please! Talk to any web designer, they'll tell you that NN is the LEAST
> standards compliant browser there is! It handles some forms terribly. The
> listbox widgets are archaic, .. I could on, but it's such common knowlege
> I'm bored by the prospect. I know many people who were NN die hards. After a
> few spins with I.E., even they had to admit it was on a magnitude greater
> product.
Hmmm. I'm not too fond of either. IMO, most websites are badly designed,
especially corporate ones.
> > Also, I'm rid of windows for all except a few games. I have had to make no
> > sacrifices in terms of applications, and as it turned out, no, I never
> really
> > did need those big applications anyway. There are many smaller, better
> > alternatives around. Eg, pico+latex beath the hell out of most word
> processors.
>
> I think that's fine. So be it. But, and a big but, go to a hospital, a
> college, a high school, a ..go ANYWHERE, they are using windows\office\I.E.
> Get used to it, it's not about to change soon.
I'm at a university, doing engineering. Guess what the main computer
room consists of...
40 PIII running solaris/intel, 20 Ultra Sparc10s and 20 PIIs running
solaris intel.
The university mail servers seem to me to be using Linux and Digital
Unix. I will agree, though, most places seem to be using win/office/ie.
I was just refuting your point that I have either a hatred of MS, or
made big sacrifices.
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Power of the Future!
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:43:29 -0400
Reply-To: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Dolly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Mike Byrns wrote:
> >
> > Dolly wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > Only problem is, according to IDC, Windows numbers
> > > are slipping backward... ie: -3%, -15%, -10% (9X/ME,
> > > IIShit, NT/2K) or perhaps the second one was -13%
> > > on iDC and -15% on some web server monitoring
> > > and stats page... and declining.
> >
> > You're going to post a link to back that claim up right? I'd be
interested to see
> > their sources and methodologies and the sites sampled. I think it's
funny that
> > with that kind of news to report, none of the media outlets have picked
it up.
> > Sounds like bullshit to me but I'll retract that when that link is
posted.
>
>
> www.IDC.com - you can buy your own membership.
March 2000 Global Stats
327,828,923 Visitors
576902 Accounts
http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2000/March/os.html
September 2000 Global Stats
458,991,203 Visitors
http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2000/September/os.html
These two monthly samplings look about the same to me, percentage wise.
Almost unchanged for total MS OS useage.
These stats are the compilation of about half a million websites around the
world.
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for?
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 18:49:59 +0100
> > What a load of rot, there is tonnes of applications such as
> > StarOffice,
> Trash. Most everyone admits this is a horrible attempt to copy MS Office.
Every office app in linux. Er.... no.
<snip drivel>
> > and games
> > for Linux, Simcity 3000, Quake, Doom and other verious titles.
>
> Quake and Doom! Great! If I want 3+ year old games, I'll go get a
> Super Nintendo for a couple bucks off Ebay.
Quake series, including QIII, you idiot. Isn't that quite new?
>
> > I think that > the old wives tale that there is not enough apps or games for
> > linux has run its course!
>
> There are many apps, just none of them worth while. There is no
> "killer app" on Linux.
there is no killer app anywhere.
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 17:39:18 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Said JosB in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> [...]
> >I still consider Novell Netware superior to MS windows NT/2000.
> >But that is pure the Fileserver and printserver part.
> >And perhaps for Oracle databases.
> >
> >NT is probably still a better application server. :-(
>
> I don't know about you, but when I hear the term 'application
server', I
> mostly think of Oracle databases, or X clients programs.
Well they're not either.
Application servers: WebLogic, MTS, JBoss...
Yann.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: David M. Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for?
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:56:06 -0400
Nigel Feltham wrote:
>
> > I use Linux for most of my stuff. Do my word processing, internet
> >browsing, email, usenet, a couple games (I'm not a big gamer, so I don't
> >mind the limited selection right now), some programming, etc. Currently
> >I only use windows to download the pictures from my digital camera, since
> >Linux doesn't work with it yet.
>
> Have you tried GPhoto (I think this is the correct name) as this supports
> most digital cameras?
Yeah, doesn't work with mine for some reason... it's probably actually
something that I'm doing wrong, but it's a minor hassle at most. I'm sure
2.4 will support it just fine and dandy.
D. Butler
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for?
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 18:50:54 +0100
> > > I have a real X-Windows implementation in XFree86 instead
> > > of a slow emulator like Exceed on NT,
> >
> > Point of pedantry, Exceed is not an X emulation, it is an implementation
> > of X, though it is a bit slow.
>
> Either way, Win2K Terminal Services beat them both.
No, it doesn't.
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: To all you WinTrolls
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:46:33 +0100
>It's a COMPUTER moron. Not a living entity. Don't you get it?
>$100 for ram. Oh, that hurts. Besides, as I've said, any new Linux distro
is
>JUST as hungry for ram.
>
That's strange - Mandrake 7.1 with KDE runs fine on my P133 laptop with 32mb
RAM with minimal swapping (on battery power the hard-drive powers down after
15 seconds of inactitivy and spend most of the time I am in linux in it's
powered-down state).
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Aaron R. Kulkis [Off-Topic Idiot Tres Grande]
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 18:53:34 +0100
> > When notified of his preliminary nomination for the title of "Off-Topic
> > Idiot," Aaron responded with rare humor and articulation using these
> > immortal words:
> >
> > "F*ck off idiot"
>
> Maybe he is Greek. Are you Greek, Aaron?
Ahh, yes, the old Greek stereotype, a dark skinned, kebab eating man who
always posts off topic.
Whatever.
-Ed
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Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: A wierd bit in linux
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 18:55:41 +0100
here's a wired one for you all:
My linux box is configured to put up a splash screen on startup, using a
SVGALib program. Usually, it runs OK, but occasionally, it says its not
the owner of the current console and can't find a free one. Needless to
say, it always runs as root.
Any ideas?
-Ed
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Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 14:01:45 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Richard in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>> Said Richard in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>> >Whatever language you choose, you are forced to program a certain way.
>> >Get over it.
>>
>> This sounds like you're contradicting what Donovan said without any
>> explanation, which means you haven't made a point at all. Sorry.
>
>Which is exactly what your entire article amounts to. In fact, this
>is exactly what most of your articles amount to.
Thanks for your opinion. Have a nice day.
--
T. Max Devlin
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