Linux-Advocacy Digest #535, Volume #29 Mon, 9 Oct 00 06:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: What're Linus's computer/laptop specs? (Gardiner Family)
Re: The Power of the Future! (Gardiner Family)
Free ISP for Linux? ("NO SPAM")
Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Zenin)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Zenin)
Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for? (Gardiner Family)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Frédéric G. MARAND")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Frédéric G. MARAND")
Re: 2.4! ("Stuart Fox")
Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for? (Gardiner Family)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Frédéric G. MARAND")
Re: Linux Sucks (Gardiner Family)
Re: Hotmail been down most of the day (Gardiner Family)
Re: Hotmail has been down for at least 12 hours on the East Coast (Gardiner Family)
Re: You Linux folks Just Don't Get It.... (Chris Sherlock)
Re: A wierd bit in linux (2:1)
Re: You Linux folks Just Don't Get It.... (2:1)
Re: Does anybody offer free Linux access?~! (Ian Davey)
Re: The Power of the Future! (2:1)
Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for? (2:1)
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From: Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What're Linus's computer/laptop specs?
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 07:20:47 GMT
apparently (from the compaq digital site) he has been given an Alpha
Workstation by compaq, along with many other prominant linux developers.
matt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Just wondering what he (or you, if you're reading) is (are) working on
> (working on)... We're having a discussion in class.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Power of the Future!
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:23:09 +1300
I remember you from the mac advocacy group!
matt
Tom Elam wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Oct 2000 15:03:43 GMT, Tom Elam wrote this reply to Charlie Ebert
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >But that growth spirt in the teenage years is a REAL KILLER!
> ^^^^^
>
> Why can't your mighty, all-powerul, Linsux box even run a spell-checker?
>
> HUH?
>
> ==============================
> Tom Elam
>
> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is
> indistinguishable from magic." -- Arthur C. Clarke
>
> http://members.iquest.net/~telam/
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From: "NO SPAM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: chi.internet
Subject: Free ISP for Linux?
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 07:36:13 GMT
Do any of the free ISP's work with Linux? How about with "Wine"? (the
Windows emulator that comes with some Linux installations).
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for?
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 07:34:32 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You wrote in your reply that "it is an old wives tale" that there are
not enough games available on Linux. I said Linux does not have every
game on it, so it is the truth, not an old wives tale.
Now you are saying "the games of importance to me are available".
Please try to stop making such sweeping generalisations.
> Pete, do you own every game? would you want to own every game?
I don't own every game but I do see a lot of them. It's part of my job!
--
---
Pete
Coming soon: Kylix!
(I do not need the destruction of Microsoft to succeed).
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Zenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 08:30:26 -0000
Simon Cooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "Zenin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> Simon Cooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> >snip<
:> : How do I know this? I used to work there.
:>
:> Why do I not believe you? Because you used to work there.
:>
:> I've had a few friends go off to Redmond... "brain washed" is an
:> understatement.
:
: Sure. Which is why everyone who works for Sun is an asshole, why all
: people who work for Oracle are theives, and why anyone who works for
: Microsoft has a blue arse.
:
: ...BECAUSE GRANDIOSE SWEEPING STATEMENTS LIKE YOURS ARE *ALWAYS* VALID IN
: ALL INSTANCES.
Of course, because if they weren't valid this wouldn't be Usenet. :-)
--
-Zenin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) From The Blue Camel we learn:
BSD: A psychoactive drug, popular in the 80s, probably developed at UC
Berkeley or thereabouts. Similar in many ways to the prescription-only
medication called "System V", but infinitely more useful. (Or, at least,
more fun.) The full chemical name is "Berkeley Standard Distribution".
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From: Zenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 08:37:46 -0000
James A. Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>snip<
: It is not the OS vendor's responsibility to make their system API's easily
: clonable. In fact it has typically been seen as contrary to their
: interests. The various Unix vendors, for instance, have <yet> to create a
: common Unix standard set of system API's.
POSIX? The Single UNIX Specification?
--
-Zenin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) From The Blue Camel we learn:
BSD: A psychoactive drug, popular in the 80s, probably developed at UC
Berkeley or thereabouts. Similar in many ways to the prescription-only
medication called "System V", but infinitely more useful. (Or, at least,
more fun.) The full chemical name is "Berkeley Standard Distribution".
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From: Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for?
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 21:42:54 +1300
how am I making generalisations, all I am simply saying is that Linux
suites my gaming needs. However, if it doesn't suite yours then so be it.
I am not really concerned whether you run windows or linux, all I post is
my experiences with linux, which, generally, have been fairly good. I hope
I have not got on your bad side as I donot associate my self with the
hard-core linux advocates and their die hard windows hating mission.
matt
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You wrote in your reply that "it is an old wives tale" that there are
> not enough games available on Linux. I said Linux does not have every
> game on it, so it is the truth, not an old wives tale.
>
> Now you are saying "the games of importance to me are available".
>
> Please try to stop making such sweeping generalisations.
>
> > Pete, do you own every game? would you want to own every game?
>
> I don't own every game but I do see a lot of them. It's part of my job!
>
> --
> ---
> Pete
> Coming soon: Kylix!
> (I do not need the destruction of Microsoft to succeed).
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: "Frédéric G. MARAND" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:46:38 +0200
Well, we developed one such in the early 90s. It started working about 1
month after coding started, but took 5 more months (10 man.months) to finish
at a really usable level. All with
- 1 reference manual
- various machines and apps running on them to check.
And, indeed, side effects are the worse.
Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit dans le message :
7r6E5.181792$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:nk%D5.27549$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Peter da Silva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:8rpt0r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > In article <8rpciu$isp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > Simon Cooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> It was a very difficult task, just as trying to learn the complete
> internals of a VT100 is if all you have is a VT100 manual and an RS-232
> connection.
>
> -- Mike --
>
>
>
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From: "Frédéric G. MARAND" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,comp.lang.c,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:49:18 +0200
Beware: .NET is poised to become an industry standard: it's currently under
evaluation at ECMA.
OK, noone ever seems to care about ECMA standards, but with that, MS will
still be able to claim .NET is a standard.
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit dans le message :
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Said Erik Funkenbusch in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >"unicat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> The following are the opinions of the author, nothing more, nothing
> >> less.
[...]
> XML, as a broader standard which also implements SGML, would naturally
> encompass HTML, a more specific implementation of SGML, wouldn't it?
> Microsoft's bogus .NET 'platform' involves ensuring, according to
> unicat, who's opinion I'd trust more than yours because I've never read
> anything he wrote, that XML is going to be used predatoraly by Microsoft
> to replace the more widely supported HTML presentation of Internet
> documents.
>
[...]
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2.4!
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:45:38 +0100
"Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> with this alpha-windows nt, howmany removed the alpha native UNIX in
favour of
> Windows NT? just out of curiousity
>
I know a few. Performance was fast (as expected), but ultimately hampered
by the fact that the apps they were running on them were such pieces of
shite...
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From: Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for?
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 21:46:42 +1300
I am fine and dandy with my copy of SuSE Linux 7, however, I simply stating that
unless a large number of users discontented with windows is made noticable to
microsoft, things will never change.
matt
Mike Byrns wrote:
> Gardiner Family wrote:
>
> > calm down claire, maybe I was a little rude in my response. However, the thing
> > I keep hearing is, "Windows is not stable", my response, "change OS's", there
> > response "why should I?", with the attitude, "Why should I?", windows will never
> > improve until customers start telling Microsoft with their purchasing power that
> > they want improved stability, un-bloated software and reliabilty.
>
> Maybe you should get Windows 2000.
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From: "Frédéric G. MARAND" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,comp.lang.c,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:51:50 +0200
Hey, mine is dated 1989 ! I got it from a PS/2 70. I've another at my other
office, from 1990, came with one of the first RS/6000 (the ones that still
had some wrapping on the system boards).
JS/PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit dans le message :
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:pg9E5.8647$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Said Matt Kennel in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> > > >On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:54:00 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > >:
> > > >:IBM's GREATEST MISTAKE was making a machine which anybody could
> > > >:copy in his garage.
> > > >
> > > >As I remember the story, they published all the hardware
specification
> > > >and BIOS disassembly assuming that if anybody tried to make a 100%
copy
> > > >that IBM could easily sue them out of business.
> > > >
> > > >Compaq did make a copy and IBM was shocked to lose the suit, and
> > > >the market thereafter.
> > > >
> > > >:It TOTALLY blew the "IBM Mystique" when clones with BETTER SPECS
> > > >:started appearing on the market at less than 1/2 the price.
> > > >:
> > > >:Up until then, IBM had a near total-lock on the computer market,
> > > >:because NOBODY ever questioned whether all that money going to
> > > >:IBM was actually a good performance/price ratio.
> > > >:
> > > >:With the introduction of clone PCs, everybody quickly realized
> > > >:that IBM had been overcharging for dumbed-down products for years.
> > > >
> > > >Well, before that, there were cloned IBM mainframes that had a
similar
> > > >dynamic (and similar lawsuits and antitrust issues), but the PC did
> > > >expose this to a much wider group of people.
> > >
> > > I'm archiving this message. A very interesting position; quite
> > > consistent, and practical.
> >
> > But IBM's real problem for those years was that they didn't really
> > participate in the price/feature wars and kept cranking out overpriced,
> > underpowered junk (except for those great keyboards). I always
> > assumed that was because they really didn't want to deliver PC's
> > capable of taking away any part of their mainframe market. Times
> > seem to have changed at last.
>
> And fine IBM keyboards they are!
> The one I'm using right now has a Nov. 1993 sticker on the bottom, and
gives
> an actual "click" when the key is pressed. I wouldn't take a hundred bucks
> for it.
>
>
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From: Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Sucks
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 21:55:00 +1300
I got my first computer at the age of 7 (Amiga 500), I unlike most users, read
book after book, knowing the in's and out's of computers, I taught my self how
to program in AmigaBASIC. Unless you are willing to learn new things you will
be stuck in the same place for the rest of your life.
matt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> "Dyfed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:0X4E5.21644$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > where i work i come across many people who use both windows and linux on
> an
> > end user basis.
> >
> > to be perfectly honest you can tell which one uses what by the way they
> ask
> > their questions.
> >
> > rtfm really does work, i think m$ has lost this when they introduced plug
> > and play.
> >
> > if people read more and fiddled more, they would become better users
> rather
> > than muppets.
> >
> > if a book is supplied it is not there for decoration is it!
> >
> > nuff said
>
> every end-user should be a pc-professional just because you say so? or juts
> because being able to handle that Unix wannabie?
>
> BS! Linux is not ready for ws/dt (if ever) and thats it, server? yeah
> maybe, if you got a hell of a lot of time on your hands and money is nothing
> for your company (now that would be a strange company wouldnt it?)
>
> /IL
>
> >
> > d
> > "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:8rqdfk$ii3nq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > Gardiner Family wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > > >Richard, (or sore dick (dick hurts (hertz)), what planet are you from?
> > > >What education background can you show me to prove your "great"
> > > >analytical skills. I have used Linux since Redhat 5.2, and yes, it is
> > > >not like windows (and I am not complaining about that!), it is stable,
> > > >reliable and built for those who like to use a UNIX like operating
> > > >system. I am sick to death of hearing uneducated, suburban white
> slobs
> > > >crapping on, and on, and on, and on about everything should be
> completely
> > > >idiot proof (aka Windows). Before you write a uncomprehensive analysis
> > > >of Linux, get some decent bloody experience (at least 4 years), then
> come
> > > >back and stand on your soap box.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree - It shows why windows needs to be idiot proof ( a lot of users
> > are
> > > idiots).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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From: Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hotmail been down most of the day
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 21:57:26 +1300
could be because their service provider connection down (probably
running Windows NT).
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I just thought I would pass that along.....
>
> claire
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From: Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hotmail has been down for at least 12 hours on the East Coast
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 21:58:31 +1300
could be due to problems with their ISP?
matt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> What kind of crap is this?
>
> claire
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Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:15:53 +1000
From: Chris Sherlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: You Linux folks Just Don't Get It....
If you don't *like* Linux and you don't *want* to use Linux, why are you
posting in comp.os.linux.advocacy? Why not spend some time in a more
"productive" newsgroup?
Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> We don't want compilers.
> We don't need 200 different text editors.
> We don't need all kinds of freeware libraries and fragmented programs
> that do specific functions, most of which are useless to all but other
> programmers..
> We don't need 90 percent of the software on Freshmeat.
> We don't want to return to the 1980's playing with config files.
>
> We have gone through Config.sys and Autoexec.bat files ad nauseam with
> Qemm and Qualatis, playing with Himem.sys to gain that extra 5k of
> free memory.
>
> This is 1980's stuff and it is gone, goodbye. We don't want to
> resurrect playing around with text files.
>
> We don't want half assed implementations of Windows software either.
> If you choose to clone it but can't clone it completely, including all
> ease of use features, don't bother at all. it will only make you look
> silly. The current crop of mp3 players are a good example. Damm things
> can't even remember the song directory.
>
> We are willing to pay for quality software that works out of the box.
> And Windows has plenty of it.
>
> Example: Norton Internet Firewall, BlackIce, Zonealarm (free BTW).
> Compare this to trying to set up a firewall under Linux using
> IpChains, ipforwarding and such....What a waste of time, as well as a
> potential security risk for those setting it up that don't know what
> they are doing.
>
> Sorry but my data is worth $30.00 or so, to have a professionally
> designed program that works out of the box and is easily customized.
> Also I don't have to scour the net for config scripts that may
> actually compromise security. The products I use, and pay for, are
> used by corporations everywhere, and if a flaw should arise, and they
> do, a fix is released....
>
> Browsers?
>
> Netscape, says it all. Even Windows users think Netscape sucks.
>
> Email?
>
> Anything like Eudora yet?
> Sorry but I don't feel like configuring sendmail today, or any day for
> that matter.
>
> Linux still lags far, far, far, far, behind Windows and this is
> evident by the number of sales of Windows ME.... Why would people pay
> for what really amounts to a minimal upgrade instead of getting Linux
> for free?
> They are not interested in Linux, that is why.
>
> Linux has had it's day in the press, let's do every desktop user a
> favor and put it out of it's misery once and for all :)
>
> I along with everybody else in the world would LOVE free applicaitons,
> but not at the price that running Linux involves.
>
> claire
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A wierd bit in linux
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 10:14:15 +0100
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> 2:1 wrote:
> >
> > here's a wired one for you all:
> >
> > My linux box is configured to put up a splash screen on startup, using a
> > SVGALib program. Usually, it runs OK, but occasionally, it says its not
> > the owner of the current console and can't find a free one. Needless to
> > say, it always runs as root.
>
> You have a race condition of some sort.
> Write a script to check the ownership of the console, and when it's
> appropriate, then run your splash-screeen displayer.
The program is running as root, so it should always be able to get the
console if it wishes. I've also checked the rc script, and I can't see
anything else that would play silly buggers with the console at that
time.
-Ed
>
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > -Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: You Linux folks Just Don't Get It....
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 10:34:07 +0100
> Not flamebait at all, it is the truth, that is why I am repying to you
> :)
At least you're better than the verage troll, then :-)
> You and your friends are programmers... 99 percent of the Windows
> desktop users (your real market ) are not......
> >> We don't need 200 different text editors.
> >
> >No one needs 200 different editors, of course not, but 200 different
> >people may each want their own editor.
>
> But they are there, counted as useful Linux applications....
So? all the duplicate word processors etc are counted as useful apps for
windows. Your point?
> >> We don't need 90 percent of the software on Freshmeat.
> >
> >Then don't use it.
>
> We can't..That is the point....
Doesn't matter, because you don't need it. I don't see how having lots
of software suddenly becomes a point against linux, though...
> >Windows 98/SE/ME still use autoexec.bat and config.sys. Window NT and 2K
> >still read environment settings from autoexec.bat, and maybe (I never
> >tries it) from config.sys.
>
> Boot the cd and it works. How it works I don't know, nor do I care. I
> hae more important things to do, like applications.
Errr. I just put the CD and boot floppy (old BIOS, you see) in and
turned my computer on. 0.5 hours later, I had a working linux system
with all the drivers I needed, and many useful apps. So at best, windows
is no better here.
> >It makes no difference WHERE or HOW you store configuration variables as
> >long as there is a way to modify them as necessary. There are plenty of
> >GUI configuration utilities for Linux.
>
> that's the problem... Why should I have to modify anything? And how,
> exactly to I perform this modification? More FAQ reading? Sorry...It
> just works under Windows...
Oh, I see. So I install windows and my I can connect to any TCP/IP
network? I beileve that I have to alter some configs, first.
> >Believe me, no one in their right mind would implement software on Linux
> >as they would on Windows. Windows is just a poorly designed environment.
> >NT would not be bad if it did not have to be saddled with the idiotic
> >Win32 subsystem.
>
> And Linux ports of such software sucks, despite it's on paper
> technical advantages.
Could be because thay're such different systems, it's a lot of work
going from one to the other, esp. if the first one was designed with
windows, rather than portability, in mind. Also, which apps are you
thinking of?
> >I frequently laugh at these "ease of use" claims from Windows zealots. A
> >Windows system administrator, very experienced in Windows, said to me
> >Thurs. last week, "You know Windows, it is probably in their, but its
> >remembering the arcane series of mouse clicks to get you to the right
> >place that sucks." Where as in Linux, I did a grep for the name I was
> >looking for and found the setting in the etc directory.
>
> You spend your time greping I spnd my time running my applications.
No, you are spending your time clicking around in control panel in this
example.
> >> We are willing to pay for quality software that works out of the box.
> >> And Windows has plenty of it.
> >
> >I would not use the word quality. I agree there is plenty of it,
> >however.
>
> You (the Linux world) have not even scratched the surface of the
> number of Windows and Mac applications that run quite nicely right out
> of the box.
> Keep dreaming,,,
All of the Linux apps I have ran out of the box as soon as they were
installed. Your point?
My second point is that many of these apps don't run that well out of
the box.
> >> Sorry but my data is worth $30.00 or so, to have a professionally
> >> designed program that works out of the box and is easily customized.
> >> Also I don't have to scour the net for config scripts that may
> >> actually compromise security. The products I use, and pay for, are
> >> used by corporations everywhere, and if a flaw should arise, and they
> >> do, a fix is released....
> >
> >Yes, but you are in the position of trusting companies without the
> >ability to audit security.
> And you are in the position of trusting nothing...Open Source? So Who
> IS accountable?
Who is accountable if a bug in M$ ware buggers you system? No one, so it
would seem... or have you managed to get compensation from them?
> >> Browsers?
> >>
> >> Netscape, says it all. Even Windows users think Netscape sucks.
> >
> >Netscape really sucks, but if you want to see a sucky browser that
> >frequently takes down the whole OS, just use IE.
>
> Use it every day..You should try it some time instead of the crap you
> are using...
What am I using now? hint, look at the headers...
-Ed
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Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Davey)
Subject: Re: Does anybody offer free Linux access?~!
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 09:42:58 GMT
In article <39df9df6$0$38534$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Philo"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>if an isp were to do the same with linux...
>it is not too likely they'd want to supply the source code as one could
>easily disable the ad banners then...
With Linux you could easily place the ads on another desktop and just forget
about them (or is there a way they could force a window to be sticky whether a
user wants it to be or not?).
ian.
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Power of the Future!
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 10:46:40 +0100
> Compare that to "spirt" versus "spurt" - not a typo but someone who spells
> words as they sound, not very safe for English. "spirt" is not even a word.
Don't be a fool, Drestin (though it is hard for you, I know). Look at
your keyboard. What key is directly to the left of the 'U'?
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for?
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 10:51:08 +0100
Mike Byrns wrote:
>
> Gardiner Family wrote:
>
> > calm down claire, maybe I was a little rude in my response. However, the thing
> > I keep hearing is, "Windows is not stable", my response, "change OS's", there
> > response "why should I?", with the attitude, "Why should I?", windows will never
> > improve until customers start telling Microsoft with their purchasing power that
> > they want improved stability, un-bloated software and reliabilty.
>
> Maybe you should get Windows 2000.
Or mabey you should spend your money on something more worthwhile.
And are you trying to claim Win2K is not bloated? It's way to big to run
comfortably on my computer.
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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