Linux-Advocacy Digest #535, Volume #30 Wed, 29 Nov 00 18:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Whistler review. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (mark)
Re: Whistler review. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (mark)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (mark)
Re: Whistler review. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (mark)
Re: Whistler review. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job? (mark)
Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job? (mark)
Re: Whistler review. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Ok, putting money where my mouth is... ("the_blur")
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:35:55 +0200
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <903r8i$594r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <8vulpl$5pbkd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien
wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"Spicerun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > When did you last used MS OS?
> >> >>
> >> >> Today at Work......Win2K. Performs like garbage compared to the Sun
> >> >system
> >> >> in the next cubicle. Performs like garbage compared to my Linux
> >laptop.
> >> >
> >> >How is it set up?
> >> >On what hardware?
> >> >What is it doing?
> >> >
> >> >I'm not seeking answers to this question, btw.
> >> >I'm showing that there is a lot more to how well the OS perform than
the
> >OS
> >> >itself.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Ah, a question that's not a question. So glad you could clarify,
> >> otherwise we might have thought that you *really* wanted to know
> >> what's wrong with NT5/Win2k
> >
> >It's calls a rethoric question.
> >
> >I've done phone support before, email support is even worse, because you
> >don't get real-time feedback.
> >I'm not going to try and provide you with support you could get if you
would
> >find a non - advocacy group about windows.
> >news://microsoft.public.win2000.general is a good place to start asking
> >questions.
> >
> >
> >
> Whereas you think that cola is a good place to *not* ask questions?
advocacy groups are not the place to find support.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:42:28 +0000
In article <903s97$5u56$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
>"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <8vv78g$5nghc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
>> >
>> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 25 Nov 2000
>10:48:06
>> >
>> >> >MS being monopoly or not is not something that I care about.
>> >>
>> >> That seems apparent. My question isn't "why", so much as "how can you
>> >> be so stupid?"
>> >
>> >Because I know that I've alternatives.
>> >I've within reach at least 5 or 6 dist of linux, three of BSD.
>> >If MS gets too annoying, I will switch.
>> >I always had this option, and I'll always will.
>>
>> Yeah, but you won't get paid for turfing any more. You do get paid
>> to do this, don't you? You must - noone would do this for free.
>
>turfing?
>How does grass has to do with computers?
>
>
If you have to defend microsoft, I imagine its probably essential.
Mark
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:37:30 +0200
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <903nuc$4etg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <8vupqd$5an6e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien
wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >news:3a22e1cf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> Well you fuck off you GUI dependent mumma's boy. So, not only you
can
> >use
> >> >a
> >> >> GUI but a mouse ooooooooooo you must very bright, you fucking
nittwitt.
> >> >
> >> >As a note, Whistler should give you the option to turn off the GUI.
> >> >Which is something that can be very useful for a server machine.
> >> >I'm not sure if the workstation has it, or if it has, how to do this.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Er, what use is that with something with no cli?
> >
> >It has cli.
>
> You said it didn't. Are we now saying that there is a cli?
When did I said it didn't have CLI?
When I mentioned that it doesn't have dos? Dos isn't mandatory for cli.
> >> I know that's the hook you're looking for - go for it, Ayende!
> >> What colour is the 'new' cli?
> >
> >Any color you like, of course.
> >
> >
>
> What's the shell?
What do you mean here?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:43:10 +0000
In article <903s9a$5u56$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
>"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <8vvd44$5u7qu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
>> >
>> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Curtis wrote:
>> >> >mark wrote...
>> >> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Curtis
>wrote:
>> >> >> >mark wrote...
>> >> >> >> >No, the user is an idiot.
>> >> >> >> >An installer is an "it", no a "he"
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Er, the user is an idiot because microsoft's CD was broken?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Wow I love windows people.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >You're doing the same crap with Ayende I see.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Que? I'm still waiting to see this list of apps
>> >> >> which run on all those different things which
>> >> >> you claimed.
>> >> >
>> >> >Let's leave that to the other thread which is tiresome as it is
>already
>> >> >is. <mutter> This one is tiresome as well </mutter>
>> >> >
>> >> >> If the user didn't know what to do when faced with a broken
>> >> >> Microsoft install CD (which apparently had _only one_ file
>> >> >> broken - something very rare indeed), then they need help
>> >> >> and support not calling an idiot by you or by Ayende.
>> >> >
>> >> >A solution was offered to him. Ayende told him what could be wrong and
>> >> >how to go about fixing it assuming it was just one file that was
>> >> >corrupted. A single file corruption is a reasonable assumption
>> >> >considering the OS installed and ran just fine otherwise. He refused
>to
>> >> >attempt this and tried installing again as if the problem would
>magically
>> >> >go away on the *third* attempt.
>> >>
>> >> No, a single file corruption on a CD is amazingly unlikely.
>> >>
>> >> Since this image came from Microsoft, there would be a batch of
>> >> these made, 10,000s or so, so there would be either a history,
>> >> or the whole batch would have been withdrawn (unless there's
>> >> no QA at all on this, but I don't think even Microsoft would
>> >> be that foolish).
>> >
>> >Burn 1000 cds.
>> >Now take one and scratch it.
>> >Please explain me how a scratch on one CD render all CDs that were burned
>> >unusable.
>> >
>> >
>> One scratch will damage multiple files, not one file. You are bull-
>> sh*tting and don't know much about CDs either.
>
>There might've been more files curropted, I've only noticed this one and
>didn't bother to check for more.
>
>
>
Ah, how the story changes. Before you were quite certain that it
was only one file.
Why am I not surprised at all.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:43:53 +0000
In article <903s99$5u56$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
>"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <8vvd42$5u7qu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
>> >
>> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> In article <8vsa11$5grsc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien
>wrote:
>> >
>> >> >Why would he need one?
>> >> >You put it in the cdrom, go to DOS, and install from there.
>> >>
>> >> That's a pretty key point here, because the tale is about
>> >> installing Win9x *after* the slackware was already on there,
>> >> and a 2nd HD which didn't have it on before. So where was
>> >> the DOS?
>> >
>> >On the win98 disk.
>> >
>> >
>> >> >> But this whole situation is odd including
>> >> >> (especially) the concept of expecting win98 to be able to do
>anything
>> >> >> helpful. The only thing realistic about the whole story is having
>> >> >> problems with a win98 install.
>> >> >
>> >> >No, win9x usually install without a hitch.
>> >>
>> >> Oh yea, that's right, it went wrong this time, but that's because
>> >> the person installing it was an idiot - sorry, I forgot that
>> >> bit. Or was it that the install CD from Microsoft was damaged?
>> >> Or was it both?
>> >
>> >No, because the disk (the media itself) was bad.
>> >
>>
>> Which was the fault of the unfortunate person who'd bought, it,
>> you said, didn't you?
>
>Yes, he didn't handle the disk properly, and as a result, the disk has been
>scratched.
>
>
>
You said he'd used a screwdriver on it. I didn't believe that then,
and I don't believe it now, because I can't see why anyone would.
mark
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:38:50 +0200
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <903r8k$594r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <8vulpn$5pbkd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien
wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> In article <3a228f5a$0$14371$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Conrad
Rutherford
> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >how would you know?
> >> >>
> >> >> I think he knows what's run better for him, which is what he said.
> >> >>
> >> >> It's nothing like :
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >That's like saying you run Linux cause it kicks DOS 6.22's ass.
> >> >>
> >> >> at all.
> >> >>
> >> >> wa waaaaa.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Besides, we really don't care whether Ayende likes the colour
> >> >> scheme of DOS7.3 or DOS8 or whatever this will be.
> >> >
> >> >There isn't, nor ever was, DOS in NT line.
> >> >You are thinking 9x line.
> >> >A very common mistake with linadvocates, it seems.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Shame really, 'cos the only thing I would actually use
> >> Microsoft OS for in my own time would be game playing. And
> >> that's only possible with DOS.
> >
> >That is just about the most ridicilous, inaccurate, and idiotic statement
> >that I've heard since I last read Aaron's posts.
>
> Que? My, we are getting personal. Well, 'tis true. I do not
> run MS OSs in my spare time except under _exceptional_ circumstances.
> The only one I know of is for a game which will only run under
> dos. That's that. It's a fact, and I don't really see how you
> can call it inaccurate.
Because not even a moderatedly successful game came out in the last three
years or so that didn't run on windows?
> >> How is it that Microsoft managed to break the only good attribute?
> >>
> >> (Okay, I know, ring 0 and all that).
> >>
> >> mark
> >
> >
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:46:43 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Curtis wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark) posted:
>
>
>
>Now that's it. Have a nice day Mark. It was NOT good.
I've never seen anyone misread indentation twice in one
thread before. Do you really forget what you wrote?
It was interesting to see you state that you hadn't really
any experience with Linux, though.
Mark
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:40:35 +0200
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <903nuf$4etg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <9008a6$5qg6u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien
wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >news:rLGU5.140$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >>
> >> >> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> news:8vv5ba$5nime$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Bennetts family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message
> >> >> > news:LeCU5.34$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > "Curtis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> > > > "Bennetts family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > [..]
> >> >> > > > » Spent time on NT, and it isn't as bad as 98, but certainly
> >not
> >> >> crash
> >> >> > > hot,
> >> >> > > > » either. I haven't used 2k, because it is just NT5, with a
new
> >> >> paint
> >> >> > > job. And
> >> >> > > > » that *matters*.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > You really should use it before saying such drivel about it.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Yeah, sorry, I know. I don't doubt that 2k is more stable than
NT4,
> >> >and
> >> >> > > Whistler will be even better, but still, there's too many bodge
> >fixes,
> >> >> and
> >> >> > > the whole thing desparately needs a rewrite from scratch.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well, they got it half right :)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 2K is much more than simply a more stable version of NT4.
> >> >>
> >> >> Out of curiosity, have you had any video-related GPFs yet? If not,
what
> >> >> hardware are you using? (If you posted this previously, sorry. I
> >sometimes
> >> >> don't have time to closely follow threads)
> >> >
> >> >None, I don't have blue screens in Win2k that are not related to the
> >screen
> >> >saver.
> >> >The only problem I've with win2k is that the display hanging if I run
it
> >for
> >> >several days without cold reboot.
> >>
> >> Ah, several days. And how many times have you said that it's stable?
> >>
> >>
> >> This is ludicrous. Microsoft have managed to persuade these people
> >> that 'display hanging' is not a problem on a graphical controlled
> >> OS.
> >>
> >> Amazing the power of monopoly marketing.
> >
> >Interesting that you snipped the rest of my post, which explained that it
> >was a hardware issue with the display adapter, and which could be fixed
by
> >going to another ocmputer and logging off.
> >
> >
>
> Now there's a funny thing - I snipped nothing here. Why would you
> claim that I did. Fortunately, this is one *lie* which is simply
> provable by checking the parents of this post.
>
> Ayende, your tactics look more and more like those of a monopoly,
> do you really think you can continue to get away with it?
Here is what I said:
"None, I don't have blue screens in Win2k that are not related to the screen
saver.
The only problem I've with win2k is that the display hanging if I run it for
several days without cold reboot.
The computer is on & active, it's just that you can't do anything locally
aside from a restart.
Go to another computer, log user off, and the system is fine.
I tracked down the problem to a bad viedo card (voodoo 3 3000), this is a
verified hardware problem.
It happens on other systems as well.
The new video card is supposed to arrive today. Along with extra RAM. ( I
may need to test web pages on Netscape 6. )"
Here is what you quote:
">None, I don't have blue screens in Win2k that are not related to the
screen
>saver.
>The only problem I've with win2k is that the display hanging if I run it
for
>several days without cold reboot."
Who is lying?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job?
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:47:27 +0000
In article <vpeV5.9071$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Pete Goodwin wrote:
>Ian Davey wrote:
>
>> But that is only an issue where the hardware you have is unsupported. If
>> your hardware is supported then Linux is definately superior.
>
>The list of hardware that is supported by Windows is much greater than the
>list for Linux.
Which version of windows?
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job?
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:49:26 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jake Taense wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark) wrote:
>
>>I have linux at home, it's very stable and provides an excellent
>>gui. It does good multimedia.
>>
>
>My God... good multimedia? Linux? You can hardly get a decent video player -
>certainly nothing nearly as polished as Media Player 6.4.
>
>If your definition of multimedia means it can play mp3's, the occasional wave
>file, and sort-of play videos through codec/front-end combinations that chop
>up what little they can render, then sure - linux has WONDERFUL multimedia.
>
My Win98SE box falls over just trying to stream rams. I have to reboot
after using realplayer for any period, because of memory leaks and
Win98 doesn't seem to protect memory properly.
I prefer using linux for this.
Mark
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:41:19 +0200
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <903nui$4etg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <zmBU5.22$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bennetts family
wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >news:8vthhl$5kru8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >>
> >> >> "Bennetts family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> news:gPlU5.54$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> > Fair enough.
> >> >>
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Any idea why?
> >> >
> >> >Because I understand nerdboxen well enough to know that, unless I do
> >> >something stupid like leaving a bootable CD in the drive between
> >restarts, I
> >> >doesn't do anything except pause for about 1/2 a second during the
boot.
> >>
> >> Restarting is a windows thing, Ayende, not a Linux thing. Linux
> >> users do not need to keep restarting. The OS doesn't keep
> >> stopping.
> >
> >Interesting, the last time I installed linux, it had to reboot after the
> >install.
>
> Oh, yeah, right. Ayende's linux, right? Installing is a windows
> thing Linux users do not need to keep installing.
Really? How do they get the OS from the CD to the HD, then?
You do realize that when I'm talking about installing Linux I'm talking
about installing the OS, right?
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:50:48 -0500
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <8vsjnl$5ffj4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > >
> > >"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > My windows version of Netscape 6 (release) has never run. It
> always
> > >> > > crashes with a DLL error message. Based on experience with other
> > >> > > programs under windows, I interpret this as a windows problem, not
> > >> > > something Netscape-specific.
> > >> >
> > >> > How can it be a windows problem?
> > >> > If Netscape crashes, it's Netscape problem.
> > >>
> > >> Not necessarily. I wrote an app that worked fine, sent it to a
> customer,
> > >> who complained that it crashed when he moved the mouse over a toolbar.
> > >> I felt bad, until I discovered that Visual C++ had updated
> COMCTRL32.DLL
> > >> on my machine. I sent him my version (who knows if I violated some
> > >> MSFT law?), and that fixed his problem... a Windows problem. There
> have
> > >> been other similar examples of broken DLLs, if I recall. How wuz I
> > >supposed
> > >> to know that all my clients had to install IE 4 for my code to work.
> > >> Yeeeesh!
> > >
> > >No, that is *not* windows problem.
> > >That is *your* problem.
> > >You application used updated DLL, which you didn't bother to check.
> > >If you'd an *older* version of COMCTRL32.DLL, they you'd a case, but not
> > >when it's an updated version.
> > >
> >
> > Yes, you were supposed to know, you fool. Don't ever write any
> > code for windows again, foolish mortal. Keep your hands of
> > anything from Redmond, because if it goes wrong, it *will* be
> > your fault, and we'll tell you the reason later. Maybe.
>
> When did I say that?
> By all means, develop for windows, but don't blame the OS when you use an
> updated version of a file when you developed the application, and it didn't
> work on a system with an older file.
> If it was the other way around, you might have a reason to complain, but not
> when an older version not supporting something a newer version does.
>
> > >> > And, for what it worth, MS didn't release anything lately that can
> break
> > >> > Netscape, so this arguement is pointless.
> > >>
> > >> And how do you know that, my friend? Does Netscape not use any Windows
> > >> DLL's?
> > >
> > >If it run on windows, it use windows API.
> > >A common anti-ms arguement is that it change the API without bothering to
> > >tell anybody and thus breaking competitor's applications.
> >
> > And we all know that this never happens, don't we children.
>
> Please show me a time when MS changed *documented* API (if you use
> undocumented API, that is your problem) calls and broke application and
> didn't fix it.
The mere existance AND USE of the undocumented API by Microsoft
is PRECISELY WHY THEY WERE CONVICTED IN FEDERAL COURT!
>
> BTW, since it's netscape that we are talking about, I'm downloading it,
> (strange UI in the page, took me six mouse clicks to reach the download zone
> from www.netscape.com) and it gave me this message:
>
> You are currently using:
> Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0b
> Unknown language, Windows NT 5.1, Weak or Unknown Encryption
> Upgrade Available!
> Netscape 6.0
>
> I'm sure you will find this amusing.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:42:42 +0200
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <903l4f$57ru$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> >"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:Vn%U5.25827$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>
> >> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:900dr0$5pbqk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >
> >> > "Corneil du Plessis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> > news:900d6e$kaq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > > Only Microsoft expects their customers to upgrade everything when
they
> >> > make
> >> > > a change.
> >> >
> >> > I still have a win95 running word 6 on a 486 & 12MB
> >> > It's being used daily.
> >>
> >> Word 6? Hmm, hardly the first version of that product. Did you come
> >> to the party late or are you just conveniently forgetting the cycle
> >through
> >> the earlier versions - and the fact that for quite some time after
Word97
> >> came out and was shipped bundled with a lot of new machines you had
> >> no way to access documents in that format?
> >
> >To Word, yes.
> >I used a dos based Word Proccessor call Einstien until almost 1996.
> >It loaded of a 5-something inch floppy and had a white on blue color that
> >from took me a while to shake of in regard to word proccessor (my first
> >reaction to my first BSOD was "Who loaded Einstien?")
> >I've been loyal user to this application (and this version, for that
matter)
> >for almost 6 years.
> >
> >About the documents, I can read documents made in office 97 or 2000 with
> >Word 6.
> >File > Save As > Word 6.0
>
> That conversion takes forever and doesn't properly convert everythingl
> as anyone who's been unfortunate enough to have this microsoft overt
> 'upgrade or else' conversion filter imposed on them by the monopoly
> we so love to suffer from.
Forever? No longer than normal saving.
As Word 97/2K have much more features than word 6, the things that word 6
can't handle are being stripped.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:45:27 +0200
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <903r8o$594r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <900dr0$5pbqk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien
wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"Corneil du Plessis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >news:900d6e$kaq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >> Only Microsoft expects their customers to upgrade everything when
they
> >> >make
> >> >> a change.
> >> >
> >> >I still have a win95 running word 6 on a 486 & 12MB
> >> >It's being used daily.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> What use is word 6 now?
> >
> >Word processing.
> >
> >
> Only if you never need to exchange a file with anyone else.
But I do, and I never had a problem with it.
For crying out loud, *Wordpad* can handle word 6 documents.
And StarOffice has better be able to handle word 6 documents.
So, why wouldn't I be able to exchange files?
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From: "the_blur" <the_blur_oc@*removespamguard*hotmail.com>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Ok, putting money where my mouth is...
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:47:46 -0500
> You might start by offering some artwork to the people at Mandrake. Nice
> OS. Terrible artwork.
Do you know how receptive they are to this sort of thing? I came here first
because I wanted to get a feel for your reaction in general, I think I got
away fairly unscathed. I'm not worse for wear. But how do I do it? Do I just
send along pics? or maybe set up a website they can check out?
BTW, I agree, I run Mandrake and by far it has been the easiest to set up. I
even managed to set up my network yesterday (however briefly before I
managed to break it once more =) *sigh*)
Fred.
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