Linux-Advocacy Digest #565, Volume #29 Tue, 10 Oct 00 03:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: The Power of the Future! ("Drestin Black")
Re: The Power of the Future! ("Drestin Black")
Re: Unix rules in Redmond (.)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (Mike Byrns)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (John R. Mashey)
Re: The Power of the Future! ("Drestin Black")
Re: Migration --> NT costing please :-) ("Drestin Black")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Mike Byrns)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (Loren Petrich)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (Loren Petrich)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Ketil Malde)
Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for? (Mike Byrns)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Mike Byrns)
Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for? (Mike Byrns)
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Power of the Future!
Date: 10 Oct 2000 00:35:47 -0500
"Dolly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > If you want to disable Netbios, do it.
>
>
> You cannot disable NetBIOS. If you dont install
> it, a subset of it is still installed in the TCP
> stack as always allowing NetBIOS port 139 usage.
>
You are insane and utterly devoid of facts.
You can effortlessly disable NetBIOS and port 139 usage. Quit spreading FUD
and lies.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Power of the Future!
Date: 10 Oct 2000 00:38:22 -0500
"Dolly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ah yes... MS says they will stop doing something.
> They dont. MS lies and says they did stop. They
> didnt. MS finally publicly admits they never did,
> and the answer is... "ooh, just turn it off" by which
> I presume you mean the machine - good answer for
> a server... and since if you install TCPIP and NOT
> NetBIOS, it still installs NetBIOS code that is
> hard-coded into the stack I know it's not NetBIOS
> you mean I should turn off.
>
Dolly - we have all challenged you - respond please: Document this NetBIOS
vulnerability you are talking about. I say it doesn't exist and challenge
you to prove your silly claim. DO it or shut up.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix rules in Redmond
Date: 10 Oct 2000 05:38:23 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8rt870$t84$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> <snip> >> And how much ingress do you think a news server that carries a
> full feed
>> >> is doing?
>> >>
>> >> I'm watching one right now. Lets see how close you can get.
>>
>>
>> > I wrote my reply to the wrong sentence. I believe the INGRESS is 13 gigs
> and
>> > 350,000 articles a day OR SO.
>>
>> Wrong. Its around 60. That would be drivespace.
>>
> <snip>
>> Actually no. 60 gigs is alot of DRIVE space. As any news admin will tell
> you,
>> the biggest problem in day to day news server operation is the fine
> tweaking
>> of expire; you need to use the most space possible without ever running
> out.
> how is it you figure 60 gigs is a lot of "DRIVE" space (why your emphasis I
> don't know). Given that 40 gig HD's are under $200, and four of them would
> give you a nice 80 gigs of stripped/mirrored storage - what is your hang up
> with that? Now, move this 60 gigs in under 12 hours - how much bandwidth is
> that going to cost (metered for most ISPs). Try telling me again what's
> cheaper, HD space or bandwidth ...
Uhmm...thats 60 gigs per DAY. Depending on your retention, that could end
up being quite a large hunk of space.
>>
>> Again, this is a drivespace issue. The problem isnt that its expensive to
>> build larger and larger news arrays, the problem is that its a huge pain
>> in the ass. The idea is to get a bigger one than youre going to need for
>> at least a couple of years and use it to its capacity the entire time.
> Again,
>> a drivespace issue.
> Why on earth would that be the case? Doesn't the SO you use allow you to
> dynamically add more drive space to existing volumes? Hell, with W2K I can
> just add more partitions to a volume and grow it without so much as a few
> clicks. Add in storage from other servers using mount points without
> breaking a sweat. You seem to act as if 60 gigs was a significant amount of
> space? It isn't today and wasn't 2 years ago - is your gear that dated?
Again, thats 60 gigs per day.
>>
>> Bandwidth is negligable. A full-feed spooler is going to pull about
> 2megs/sec
>> average whether kulkis has a long sig or not.
> We were talking about costs, cost to store on hard drives vs. cost to move
> across the net. Not only in the raw cost of the bandwidth but also in what
> it takes from the share your clients want to use. I know as a simple ISP
> tech you don't get into the administration end of things, billing and stuff,
> but when you do you'll learn that hardware is cheap, it's intangebles like
> bandwidth (and talent) that isn't.
Two megs/sec is NOT alot. Its very, very little. Your average ISP leases
hundreds of T-1s and at least half a dozen DS3s. THAT is alot of bandwidth.
News doesnt even cover the bandwidth of a busy webserver.
=====.
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From: Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 05:39:02 GMT
Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
> Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
> >
> >"Nathaniel Jay Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> I'll break my self-enforced silence this once.
> >>
> >> Dresden, you are exactly the type of person I was talking
> >> about. You are the biggest RAH RAH Microsoft cheerleader
> >> I have ever heard. You absolutely will never admit to
> >> there being any fault with any MS product ever. You
> >> accuse anyone that says anything positive about any
> >> competing operating system as being full of shit, and you
> >> basically demonstrate nothing but stupidity and an
> >> absolute lack of perspective in any post you put out.
> >
> >And I can see that you only read what you want to and don't understand any
> >point of view other than your own agenda. I am not MS's biggest fan and I
>
> Well, as I'm sure everyone in COLA knows (and how do you
> end up posting so much shit in the forum for Linux
> advocacy? So much for your bullshit, 'don't post in
> Windows NT advocacy forums'), I'm definitely the worst
> Linux zealot of all time.
>
> Now, if you would actually look through some old posts you
> will see I was extremely (read really fucking pissed off)
> with the stupid Tux kernel space web server (almost as
> pissed as I am about NFS servers in kernel space).
>
> I complaign about Linux things when I see fit. And it's
> very rare that I cheerlead for Linux. But I do respond
> when someone bullshits his way through life, cheerleading
> the market leader and telling everyone else what a fuckwit
> they are for disagreeing with you. Goddamned stupid
> mother-fucker. I've had enough of your ego-maniacal crap.
> Microsoft is not the be-all end-all. They are just
> another option. And eventually even you must realize that
> anyone that disagrees with your stupid
> self-congradulatory, MS-cheerleading, RAH! RAH!, all hail
> the king bullshit is not a Linux zealot. Fuck off twit.
>
> You're one of the biggest reasons that USENET isn't
> enjoyable anymore. You accuse people of being zealots any
> time they disagree, yet you refuse to see anything beyond
> your (obviously limitted) experience. People like you and
> Kulkis ought to find a camp in Montanna. Preferrably
> without internet accesss.
Nat. Please understand that he's not representative of the Windows advocacy
crowd. Really! Most folks are as temperate as you are and just as pissed off
about the mistakes that Microsoft makes. We are the folks that keep the fires
burning. Linux or Windows -- I don't care as long as it supports the business.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John R. Mashey)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: 10 Oct 2000 05:39:57 GMT
Sigh, I'm not sure why this dicussion is deemed useful for 7 newsgroups.
Can any of the posters explain why this has
anything to do with comp.arch, comp.protocols.tcp-ip, comp.lang.java.advocay,
and especially alt.conspiracy.area51?
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Power of the Future!
Date: 10 Oct 2000 00:41:00 -0500
"Jason Bowen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8rsmtb$5nj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <0rcE5.120448$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com> wrote:
> >joseph wrote:
> >
> >Actually many are but not the masses of "mom and pops" that cut costs by
using
> >Linux. Lycos and several others can be found to be using Windows 2000 if
you
> >check them with the Netcraft tool.
>
> Netcraft is hardly a infalliable tool and you don't know much about
> networking if you believe the front door is representative of everything
> behind it. www.hotmail.com reports Win2k, it must be all Win2k right? It
> is common knowledge that it is FreeBSD doing most of the serving there
> even though Microsoft has started to roll out Win2k their.
W2K is running 100% of the web servers at Hotmail but the application itself
has not yet been ported. Look for that to change before the year is out.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Migration --> NT costing please :-)
Date: 10 Oct 2000 00:44:48 -0500
"Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> love the reply, I have used Windows 3.1/98/NT 4/2000, until I obtained a
copy of
> UNIX (and then later, Linux) I naively, like you, believed Windows NT was
the "bees
> knees". Yes and I do know what a PCI card is, the card I removed was a
Soft-modem
> from an Intel BX motherboard. I have also installed a ISA card as well
whilst the
> machine is on, and no adverse effects. However, I did lie a bit, I was
using
> Solaris 8. Windows does have its uses, however, not as a server. If you
look at
> the various technologies included with Windows NT/2000, many of these have
been
> borrowed from UNIX and other OS's, here are some examples is Terminal
Server, a
> quick rehash of the of X-Server and X-Dumb-Client setup used back in the
1980's
> (surprised Microsoft went for the centralised processing model considering
they were
> the first to jump up and say Sun Microsystems idea of the Sun Ray as a
stupid idea,
> trying to resurrect time sharing and centralised processing of the 1960s),
HTFS, a
> close replication of HPFS used by OS/2 Warp, TCP/IP how long has the UNIX
world had
> this protocol in service for? a long time.
>
How strange. You say that W2K has it's uses but not as a server - then you
go on to list the server qualities that W2K has that, according to you, it
borrowed from Unix - which we all know is definately a server OS. I would
say that definately makes W2K server material. Thanks for proving that.
> Centralised processing does lower TCO below the typical fat client setup.
The most
> commonly used example would be at Amazon where there telephone operators
use Sun Ray
> Network Appliances. Unfortunately they never released the actual figure
in terms of
> cost savings, however, they did state it was substantial
Ahhh "they" - such a reliable source for specific facts...
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From: Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 06:04:27 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> Said Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com> in
> [...]
> >I'd have to conclude that it's the WINE programmer's fault in not understanding the
> >CreateWindow() interface and how to properly create a default window class of
>"EDIT".
>
> Whatever. That's simply more detailed evidence of how crappy Win32 is,
> if the WINE programmers can't even get these rudimentary things to work
> correctly.
How did you "conclude" this? If the WINE programmers can't get these (very
NON-rudimentary) things to work correctly then I think they have not done their
homework.
Feel free to have them mail me. I can explain the splendid logic of the WndClass.
> [...]
> >You should have anticipated my response to this before you wrote it Max. I think
>that
> >the Win32 API is a many splendored thing with optimizations and nuances under the
>hood
> >that could not have been duplicated by the WINE part-timers in the few years they've
> >been working on it.
>
> They're not trying to duplicate the API; they're trying to support it.
> Its MS's software that they're trying to duplicate, and the
> 'optimizations and nuances' in the code shouldn't have anything to do
> with it.
In order to support those programs that depend on it they damn well better duplicate
it.
One omission and that's tantamount to compatibility issues in every program that calls
that
broken WINE API call. You do a project like this right. Or you don't do it. Perhaps
they
mis-estimated the effort due to their prejudice?
> >Had they coded the support for the system DLLs correctly by
> >testing and documenting their behaviors and the emulating them through thousands of
> >test cases they might have had a chance but they seem to have the same problem as
>you
> >and the rest of the Linux and Mac faithful have -- they underestimate Windows and
> >think that they can do better without ever taking the time to fully understand it.
> >That's just foolish.
>
> They underestimate Windows, all right, and how much anti-competitive
> effort went into its design and development.
That case that's failing now http://www.pcworld.com/news/article.asp?aid=31283 has very
little to do with Windows design and development. The Windows APIs were designed to be
approachable and that quality has proven it's boon. If Microsoft would have wanted no
other ISV to program to that set of APIs don't you think they could have done a better
job
of obfuscation than the MSDN library freely available on the Internet? Apart from your
opinion that Microsoft forces developers to program to their APIs can you show me any
examples outside of "Undocumented Widows". What would you use PrestoChangoSelector()
(win16) or BozoLivesHere() (also win16) for in programming a market leading
application,
Max?
> Like many application
> developers who thought they could compete with Microsoft applications,
> they are finding out that 'churn',
Make that innovation. If you can't keep up try another business.
> obfuscation,
MSDN, Max. That's where I got all my "trivial" knowledge. See
http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp. Start reading. Stop when you feel
the
obfuscation myth passing. Maybe you'll learn something.
> and counter-productive
> complexity
Um, where can I find a comprehensive X Window System programming site like MSDN?
> make it all but impossible to support the Win32 API,
You seem to ignore the fact that most software companies do support this "impossible"
API
:-)
> unless
> you're just foolish, and go with One Microsoft Way.
Or One Infinite Loop or 2600 Meridian Parkway. I have to laugh at how they got that
(alt.)2600 address. :-) And what does Meridian mean, Max? They are all trying to be
Microsoft. And you'd hate them just as much as Microsoft if they got there. It's your
nature...
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From: Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 06:05:52 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here's the deal, Loren.....I don't give a fuck if *all* welfare
> recipients are milking the system. The fact is, the OVERWHELMING
> majority are, as well as the shiftless bureaucrats who administrate
> it.
Mr. Kulkis shows what a great imagination he has. I keep on
wondering why he has not firebombed some housing projects.
> The few who are honestly impoverished can be supported through
> private-sector charities, and friends and family....all of whom
> would have MUCH more money to give personal assistance and
> charitable contributions if they weren't having 50% of their
> earnings confiscated by the goddamned government.
I don't pay nearly as much in taxes. And the big problem there is
that it assumes that tax money disappears into some black hole
somewhere. But a large fraction goes to retirees, soldiers, T-bill
holders, and others that Mr. Kulkis is reluctant to denounce as enemies
of the American people and bloodsuckers of the masses.
--
Loren Petrich
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Happiness is a fast Macintosh
And a fast train
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From: Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 06:10:44 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Loren Petrich wrote:
> > Big military forces are a plank of the Communist platform
> ANY society which wants to guarantee their survival to the next
> generation does.
However, some countries are remarkably short on enemies. And I'm
sure that Mr. Kulkis feels that the US-Canada border is dangerously
vulnerable.
> > Law and order and toughness on crime are planks of the Communist
> > platform
> ANY society which wants peace for it's citizenry does.
So one ought not to feel sorry for tax evaders, I suppose.
> > Respect for authority is a plank of the Communist platform
> Can't run a police state without it.
Respect for authority is supposed to be a conservative virtue.
> > That one must work for a living is a plank of the Communist platform
> No...sorry, try again.
That's what they claimed to be -- a society of workers and not lazy
bums or bloodsuckers. And I'm sure Mr. Kulkis appreciates their laws
against "parasitism".
--
Loren Petrich
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Happiness is a fast Macintosh
And a fast train
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
From: Ketil Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 06:12:54 GMT
I'd send this privately, but then discover that you didn't supply a
mail address, and at sbc.net's "security policy" won't let me VRFY
mail addresses. Apologies if people find it off topic.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Caveman) writes:
> I hate to say this, but in terms of personal desktop use, I am starting
> to like NT more and more, because it now stays up for months at a time
> and I can patch it up to date in less than an hour, whereas patching
> HP-UX up to date generally requires a whole weekend and Solaris is
> somewhere in between the two.
You could run Linux, you know. My personal preference is Debian, and
installing the latest updates requires all of
apt-get update
apt-get upgrade
...and of course, security issues get fixed at the usual open-source
rate - i.e. extremely quickly. (Don't be fooled by seemingly old
version numbers, security fixes are often backported to stable
releases). Similarly
apt-get install [application]
installs any of the thousands (three CDs at least) of applications
available. So far, the only application I've had to download and
install separately was Bugzilla.
Installation is IME a bit more cumbersome than e.g. Red Hat, but worth
it, I think.
> The point is that the computer is a tool to do work, not a tool
> to create work.
Yes. However, you sometimes want to do some system work to relieve
some work work, if you see what I mean.
I use NT at work, and while I agree it works reasonably well, I still
have problems like Opera printing giving me BSOD, my 100Mbit network
card dropping out on me, requiring a reboot (until I dug up an old
10Mbit one that works), and so forth.
-kzm
--
If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants
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From: Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for?
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 06:16:21 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 13:19:28 GMT, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >"Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> I am fine and dandy with my copy of SuSE Linux 7, however, I simply stating
> >that
> >> unless a large number of users discontented with windows is made noticable to
> >> microsoft, things will never change.
> >
> >The point is, it did change, a long time ago. Win2K is the most current
>
> It is also specifically NOT targeted to mere consumers. It also
> suffers from a large amount of poorly supported drivers or just
> plain lack of driver support.
Numerically, as included with most distros of Linux, Windows 2000 beats Linux 2:1.
What "mere consumer" cares to compile alpha drivers to get what they can in the box
from Windows 2000?
> >version of this high performance, highly scalable, stable and secure
> >implementation
> >of software.
> >
> >Perhaps you should pull your head from the sand every couple years and verse
> >yourself on the current state of technology before opening your mouth like this
> >and simply embarassing yourself.
>
> If the hardware compatibility comments here are to be believed,
> at least this end user (and his hardware) is better supported
> under Linux than NT5.
You must have bought the hardware to be Linux compatible or "rolled you own"
drivers. Believe it or not but Joe NASCAR cares little about drivers other than Dale
Jarrett or his ilk. He'd rather be playing games that are not available on Linux, or
surfing pron, or rolling his own toke. In case you've not noticed -- most people,
rich or poor, caring or negligent, this or that, CHOOSE to run Windows because it's
not the OS that's important to them, it's the value and ease of use. That's what
keeps Windows at 90% with Linux and Mac on either side.
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From: Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 06:22:50 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> Said John Lockwood in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >On Sun, 08 Oct 2000 22:25:25 -0400, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >><Grin>
> >>
> >>You missed the argument completely, Mike. Yes, I said that Win32 is a
> >>piece of crap, because WINE emulates Win32, and the WINE programmers
> >>can't support Notepad, a positively trivial Windows program.
> >
> >Let's see:
> >
> >1) Windows works.
> >2) Notepad works on NT, Win98, Windows 3x, etc.
> >3) Notepad is a trivial windows application. (Defined as an
> >application a good Windows programmer could complete in a week or
> >two).
> >4) Notepad and thousands of other working applications are coded to
> >the Windows API.
> >5) Notepad doesn't work on WINE.
> >
> >Therefore WIN32 is a piece of crap?
>
> Yes.
You wouldn't dare pull that shit with me, Devlin. Give John the courtesy of
something more than that weak response. He knows his stuff -- I can tell.
> >Well, I've never used WINE, but the conclusion I'd be more likely to
> >reach given the above is that your premise that WINE emulates Windows
> >is false.
>
> Therefore Win32 is a piece of crap.
Care to stretch a bit more?
> I'm not going to impugn the
> capabilities of a developer I do not have knowledge of.
Then don't do so for the thousands that wrote Windows.
> All the
> WinTrolls seem pretty quick to pronounce the WINE team as incompetent or
> unknowledgeable, but that isn't surprising.
You are right in that. It's hard t believe that the part-time rag-tags can
do in a couple of years what the Carnegie-Mellon grads and long term
professionals have done in 25.
> Logically, if there is a
> choice between the factual knowledge that MS designs their stuff with
> anti-competitive intent (that means they purposefully make it less
> valuable or sub-optimal in order to enhance their profits) and an
> assumption that a programmer is not competent, I'd say the facts
> outweigh the supposition.
Prove it or drop it. This is getting really old, Max.
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From: Mike Byrns <"mike.byrns"@technologist,.com>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for?
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 06:43:21 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Oct 2000 20:32:19 GMT, Mike Byrns <@technologist,.com> wrote:
> >Nigel Feltham wrote:
> >
> >> >Either way, Win2K Terminal Services beat them both.
> >> >
> >>
> >> How does win2k Terminal server beat using X?
> >>
> >> can Win2k display it's output on most hardware platforms ( X display servers
> >> are available for Mac, Sun, Windows, BSD, Linux, DOS, Amiga, ST, and most
> >> other 16 bit or above computers).
> >
> >Most common ones and also through a web browser.
> >
> >> Does Win2k use as little network trafffic as an X Client/server system?
> >
> >The design was to use less.
> >
> >> Does Win2k run stable enough with a couple of hundred users connected
> >> without crashing and in the process losing all work being done by all of
> >> those users?
> >
> >Proven by Fortune 500 companies every day.
>
> IOW, you have no clue what you're talking about.
Please. Try to prove that my assertation is incorrect.
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