Linux-Advocacy Digest #770, Volume #29 Fri, 20 Oct 00 22:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux or Solaris ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Redhat and TurboLinux announce support for the entire new IBM (Gary Hallock)
Re: who's WHINING dipshit! ("Weevil")
Re: Slackware ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Slackware ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Astroturfing (Mike Stephen)
Re: who's WHINING dipshit! ("Weevil")
Re: Why I hate Windows... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Pros and Cons of MS Windows Dominated World? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: who's WHINING dipshit! ("Weevil")
Re: who's WHINING dipshit! ("Weevil")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (T. Max Devlin)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux or Solaris
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:20:39 -0400
Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> Idoia Sainz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : We have Oracle on several Sun servers and it goes fine, even
> : when setting it up is a little of a mess (suppose Linux version
> : would be similar, nor better netiher worse). I would recommend
> : Solaris because of the Sun support (the more you pay the more
> : they give) and because of the very important thing when important
> : data are around : hardware rock solid.
>
> Linux is fine for dirt-cheap systems, but support is rather lacking. For a
> major business, you will want solid support, and that's going to cost you! As
> far as hardware, Intel stuff when properly built will work fine but again, the
> support issue crops up.
>
> To cut costs, you can mix Solaris and Linux in a cluster, with the Oracle on
> the Solaris boxes and the Linux doing things like play Router, Mail Server,
> etc. The only problem of this approach is that you get to learn two flavours
> of UNIX. For example, NFS is easy to do on a pair of Linux boxes (so long as
> you install nfsd on install at least) but how you do NFS on Solaris might be
> different.
differences are trivial.
When I was in college, I routinely programmed on 3 or 4 different flavors
of unix in one day.
>
> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:21:29 -0400
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Redhat and TurboLinux announce support for the entire new IBM
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> How are they going to handle RAS under Linux?
>
> Especially on the RS/6k and SP boxes?
>
> Concurrent maintenance depends on chrp.
>
> How are they going to interface Linux with PSSP code?
>
> claire
>
> And for yttrx (aka .) Do you have any idea what the above means?
>
> I thought not :(
You think wrong. Or rather you don't think at all. IBM is using
Linux as a common platform for it's entire eServer line. There are
many people inside IBM working on Linux. You have no idea how
much work IBM is putting into Linux being successful.
Gary
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From: "Weevil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: who's WHINING dipshit!
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 20:23:42 -0500
JS/PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >
> > It's a command line argument for the kernal
> >
> > boot: linux mem=256M
> >
> > There's your fucking answer, now quit whining.
> >
> > read the man page on lilo.conf, and insert it there as well.
> >
> > and remember...STOP WHINING!
>
> Well I guess there's really not a nice way to put it - I DONT WANT TO EDIT
> SHIT!!
>
> Don't tell me how to fix the shortcomings of Linux. Tell me when they have
a
> package out that will see all available memory by itself, with no input
from
> me and no searching through one and a half million man pages!
> Once again, and I'll type this slow because I know your not too swift - I
do
> not want to edit SHIT! I will continue to use the OS that handles basic
> hardware automatically. It was enough of a pain in the ass getting it to
see
> the modem and work the video card, which Windows manages to do all by it's
> self. Jesus christ! They want to call it an operating system, but the
> fucking thing can't manage to operate my system even as well as windows
1.0
>
> Free or not, no OS is worth the money if I've got to do half it's job for
> it.
>
Hey JS, tell me how I can get Windows to recognize all partitions on my hard
drive. I know I can get Linux to recognize the memory it missed with a
single line of text.
Please tell me how to get Windows to recognize the 5 gigabytes it keeps
missing on this 8 gig drive.
Thanks in advance.
jwb
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Slackware
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:23:13 -0400
Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> John Sanders ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : But, in general, slackware means you get a distribution that's easy to
> : install pretty much exactly what you want and only what you want and
> : have it run the way you want. You don't end up with some wanna-be
> : windows system. It's the best system to run on a PC if you want to
> : learn UNIX. It's the best for learning system administration too. You
> : should do your own system administration. System administration by icon
> : is a joke.
>
> Sounds like you like things the good old fashioned way. I like Slackware too.
> I'm not quite as down on X, but I'm not going ape-shit in excitement over X
> and the like. Slackware is nice for those who like to "get their hands dirty"
> with sys-admin, trying out programming, and so on. I suppose modern Linux fans
> will say either of us are masochistic about it.
>
> The Slackware install is great. Over time, I found I _always_ have problems
> with LILO so I use Loadlin to fire up Linux. The nice modern distributions
> tend to force you to try LILO, which is a pain to undo when it fails.
>
> With Slackware, you CAN install X (your wannabe windows) but it's your choice.
Correction: Windows is Wannabe X.
> I'm a CLI fan myself. There is nothing wrong with using X or similar though,
I'm a total CLI guy myself, but there's still no substitute for having
multiple terminal windows on the screen.
X is great for this.
> when it is in fact necessary like messing with picture files. Otherwise, I do
> things in text mode. I still use Minicom to login to a shell account to get on
> the net! CLI is how I first got introduced to computers in 1984. Once a CLI
> fan, always a CLI fan I suppose. When I first got a PC in 1993, I tried out
> Windows 3.11 (remember that?) but it sure didn't take long until I found DOS,
> QBASIC, and CLI all over again.
>
> When I found out about Linux, it was in the ancient days of 1994, and I was
> fascinated with the notion of an OS for a home computer that was like the OS
> of a mainframe. I just HAD to have it! Before Linux, I was experimenting with
> Novell DOS 7, a multitasking DOS, and BBS software. I was also using shell
> accounts at the time too, so I found UNIX. I'm like the homebrew version of a
> mainframer.
>
> Slackware is awesome for the mainframer-wannabe, that's for sure. (: My dream
> is to assemble a homebrew supercomputer with Linux Extreme, but that'll take a
> decent lotto prize to do. You could imagine a bunch of racks of rack-mount
> server-class machines all in one cluster...
>
> "Open the pod bay door Hal"... "I'm sorry Dave, but I'm afraid I can't do
> that"... <cue up "Atmospheres" from the 2001 A Space Odyssey soundtrack>
>
> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Slackware
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:24:22 -0400
Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> John Sanders ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : But, in general, slackware means you get a distribution that's easy to
> : install pretty much exactly what you want and only what you want and
> : have it run the way you want. You don't end up with some wanna-be
> : windows system. It's the best system to run on a PC if you want to
> : learn UNIX. It's the best for learning system administration too. You
> : should do your own system administration. System administration by icon
> : is a joke.
>
> Sounds like you like things the good old fashioned way. I like Slackware too.
> I'm not quite as down on X, but I'm not going ape-shit in excitement over X
> and the like. Slackware is nice for those who like to "get their hands dirty"
> with sys-admin, trying out programming, and so on. I suppose modern Linux fans
> will say either of us are masochistic about it.
>
> The Slackware install is great. Over time, I found I _always_ have problems
> with LILO so I use Loadlin to fire up Linux. The nice modern distributions
> tend to force you to try LILO, which is a pain to undo when it fails.
>
> With Slackware, you CAN install X (your wannabe windows) but it's your choice.
> I'm a CLI fan myself. There is nothing wrong with using X or similar though,
> when it is in fact necessary like messing with picture files. Otherwise, I do
> things in text mode. I still use Minicom to login to a shell account to get on
> the net! CLI is how I first got introduced to computers in 1984. Once a CLI
> fan, always a CLI fan I suppose. When I first got a PC in 1993, I tried out
> Windows 3.11 (remember that?) but it sure didn't take long until I found DOS,
> QBASIC, and CLI all over again.
>
> When I found out about Linux, it was in the ancient days of 1994, and I was
> fascinated with the notion of an OS for a home computer that was like the OS
> of a mainframe. I just HAD to have it! Before Linux, I was experimenting with
> Novell DOS 7, a multitasking DOS, and BBS software. I was also using shell
> accounts at the time too, so I found UNIX. I'm like the homebrew version of a
> mainframer.
>
> Slackware is awesome for the mainframer-wannabe, that's for sure. (: My dream
> is to assemble a homebrew supercomputer with Linux Extreme, but that'll take a
> decent lotto prize to do. You could imagine a bunch of racks of rack-mount
> server-class machines all in one cluster...
Just go around collecting old pentium systems that businesses are throwing out.
>
> "Open the pod bay door Hal"... "I'm sorry Dave, but I'm afraid I can't do
> that"... <cue up "Atmospheres" from the 2001 A Space Odyssey soundtrack>
>
> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Stephen)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 01:27:19 GMT
On Sun, 21 Oct 3900 01:18:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Stephen)
wrote:
Maybe I should make it even clearer.... some of you undoubtedly
will ask for quotes and proof.
Here is the quote, from the WSJ with further quotes attributed to
Microsoft themselves:
=================
October 20, 2000
Washington Wire
BOUNTY PAYMENTS are offered for
pro-Microsoft letters and calls.
Republican Ralph Reed's lobbying firm coordinates a
network of public-relations and lobbying partners that
generates grass-roots comments for cash. Payments are
for letters, calls and visits to lawmakers and policy
makers. An e-mail offers sample letters opposing a
Microsoft breakup.
A letter to a member of Congress from a mayor or local
Republican Party official is worth $200, the guidelines
say. A "premier" letter or visit by a fund-raiser known to
the lawmaker or a family member can be worth up to
$450 apiece. An op-ed piece in local papers fetches $500.
Microsoft says, "Our competitors are attacking us, and it's
no secret we're working to assure our supporters are
heard."
==============================
> Just to bring this topic back in line. It isn't enough that
> microsoft offered to pay for testimonials in the past, but that
> they are continuing to do it today. If you want, you can update
> the price list for letting people know how nice microsoft is.
> bill Gates and company are more than willing and able to pay your
> hundreds of dollars to send notes and post messages extolling the
> virtues of "the microsoft Way"
>
> By the way, the Wall Street Journal had a blurb about MS's
> lobbyist, Ralph
> Reed. His lobbying organization is offering money for letters,
> calls and
> visits to the "powers at be" about MS. It is entitled "BOUNTY
> PAYMENTS
> are offered for pro-Microsoft letters and calls." $200.00 for
> a letter
> to a member of Congress from a mayor or local Republican Pa;rty
> office.
> An op-ed piece in local newspapers fetches $500.00. A letter
> from a fund
> raiser is worth $450.00.
>
> MS is looking for the best men money can buy.
>
>
> Amazing isn't it? And the windows weenies have the balls to even
> argue the point?
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Jan 1970 01:59:59, Pan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Proof, in writing (I'm not disagreeing, I would just like to see
> > > > some proof).
> > > >
> > > > 2. If #1 is true, how do I collect my money?
> > >
> > > A. By check, duh.
> > > B. We never claimed that EVERY shit-headed MS-cheerleader is on the MS payroll.
> >
> > true. Some of them just own stock in the company or have "engineering"
> > certification from the company. Without that certification, they'd have
> > to go by their other ( more accurate ) title, pc technician.
> >
> > --
> > Pan
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://www.la-online.com
>
> From the Desk of Mike Stephen
> Micro$oft has performed an illegal operation,
> and will be shut down.
>From the Desk of Mike Stephen
Micro$oft has performed an illegal operation,
and will be shut down.
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From: "Weevil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: who's WHINING dipshit!
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 20:28:17 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> You're an asshole....
>
> claire
>
Yup, you are definitely low and dishonest. I am beginning to see what
everyone who has dealt with you for years has been talking about.
Get a life.
jwb
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why I hate Windows...
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:28:08 -0400
Bloody Viking wrote:
>
> James Stutts ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : If you think NT is somehow expensive, I suggest you look at commercial Unix
> : prices.
>
> This is a case of comparing apples, oranges, and bananas. NT has the definite
> advantage of esoteric engineering apps while Linux of course does not. Linux
> is, however, more stable than NT in a server config. You can use Linux both as
> a server AND a workstation at the same time albeit at the cost of slowing the
> server side. Commercial UNIXes are rock-solid and have esoteric engineering
> apps. Like Linux, you can use it for the workstation and server at the same
Those apps are starting to get ported to UNIX.
Expect in the next 2 years that sales of Windows for engineering work to
drop off significantly.
> time, but of course commercial UNIXes are extremely costly.
>
> As far as pricing, anyone can go to a Best Buy and get Linux for $20. NT
> Workstation is $400, the price squared. For either NT Server or commercial
> UNIX, it's BIG BUCKS. Looking at it that way, unless you are using an esoteric
> engineering app, Linux looks good. For a file server, Linux is an awful good
> bet.
>
> In your case, it's that esoteric engineering app that forces you to use NT. I
> have played with NT Workstation, but all it is to me is a Blue Screen of Death
> server. Total junk. I'm sure others can make it run, but that's not the point.
> I've gone to a friend's house years ago and in only minutes crashed his NT
> box. It takes quite a fuck-up to crash a Linux box. I have done it, but it was
> always from my not knowing what to do, and it was only a few times since 1994
> when I first fired up a Linux box.
>
> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Pros and Cons of MS Windows Dominated World?
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 01:21:19 GMT
In article <dn1I5.112418$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8sq26i$htd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <lMZH5.112376$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > Microsoft is not a monopoly not matter how stupid some judges are.
> > [snip]
> > > But, since over 90% of desktop computers are running a form of
Windows
> > [...]
> >
> > Make up your mind.
>
> Are you having trouble with the concept that 90 <> 100?
>
No more trouble than you're having with the concept of a monopoly.
BTW, 100 is in the set of numbers "over 90". Maybe you should have
specified an upper bound as well.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Weevil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: who's WHINING dipshit!
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 20:38:36 -0500
Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:39f068cc$0$4797$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > The best (graphics) cards have the drivers written for IRIX first.
>
> I think that depends on what you mean by best and in what context. If you
> mean, "the card that can do THE most amazing stuff fastest with no
> restrictions on cost, availablity, OS compatibility or application" then
> there might be many that we could consider. I believe in this context
we're
> talking about PC video cards. PC Video cards have their best drivers
written
> for Windows first and the card simply does not get built without them -
> linux support is an afterthought.
>
Someone said in another thread that you were just pretending to understand
nearly everything about computers. Is that true? Are you just pretending,
or do you really understand all the hard stuff?
jwb
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From: "Weevil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: who's WHINING dipshit!
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 20:46:28 -0500
JS/PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > 2:1 wrote:
> > >
> > > JS/PL wrote:
> > > > It was enough of a pain in the ass getting it to see
> > > > the modem and work the video card, which Windows manages to do all
by
> it's
> > > > self.
> > >
> > > That's utter bullshit and you know it. Windows does not see anything
> > > more than a VGA card by itself. You give it drivers and tell it
> > > explicitly what card you have. So you had to do the same thing under
> > > linux? So fucking what? How does this now make linux worse?
> > >
> >
> > Actually, all of the Linux's that I've installed (RedHat, Mandrake, and
> > SuSE) Found the hardware and drivers themselves, and put the drivers
> > in place in the FIRST install step.
>
> After two hours on two seperate occasions trying to get Mandrake 7.1 to
> communicate with my Zoom Telephonics, Inc. internal 56k data fax dual
modem
> (not a winmodem) I finally just went out and bought a different modem.
>
> Total aggravation= 5 hours including the 40 mile drive (as I live in
> Bumbfuck, Egypt).
>
> I place a price of $100/hr on aggravation.
>
> So just getting the modem to work in Linux costs $500.00
>
> Total time installing the same modem in Windows 2000 = 1 minute
>
> Total cost of aggravation = $1.66
>
No one really believes you except other Wintrolls, and I suspect most of
them recognize this as bullshit, too.
> > Meanwhile, in MS-LoseDows land...it's Install a driver...reboot, install
> > another driver...reboot....install another driver...reboot.....
> >
> > Fuck that noise.
>
> You don't have to reboot each time in Windows 2000, refreshing the device
> manager will do in most instances, but if not you can reboot once, when
your
> finished installing it all.
>
> And to top it off I believe X makes you log off and back on just to
change
> the screen resolution. Windows doesn't.
>
I don't recall trying to change screen resolution on the fly in Linux as a
normal user, but as root user, I have *always* been able to change it with a
single keystroke, no logoff needed.
Until recently, though, Windows actually made you reboot your whole system
just to change the screen resolution. I bet a whole lot of people reading
this are using a Windows system that does this. Are you?
jwb
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:50:43 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Simon Cooke in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
[...]
>My position is entirely supportable. And it's an honest one -- which is why
>I said "to my knowledge". Saying one way or the other without factual
>evidence to base either decision on would have been innately *dishonest*.
>Not to mention stupid.
You appear to be under some delusion that having the courage of your
convictions means you've already been proven to be factually correct.
This is empty posturing, at best. Having the courage of your conviction
means that you are convinced you will be proven right, regardless of the
currently accepted facts. Not that the idea that Microsoft isn't a
criminal monopoly is an accepted fact, or that Microsoft is a criminal
monopoly is not one.
>I have a physics background. When you're stating facts, you back them up
>with your error-margins. This enables people to take your statement in
>context.
Too bad real life isn't as clear-cut as physics.
>If I say a door is 1m tall, do I mean precisely 1m? According to that
>statement, you can't tell. If I say it's 1m tall, +/- 5cm, then at least you
>know how accurate I believe my statement to be.
And this has to do with software... how?
>Therefore, saying that *TO MY KNOWLEDGE* these are the facts as I see them
>is a damn good statement. It doesn't imply courage, or lack thereof. It
>implies facts. Not emotion. FACTS.
You say "to my knowledge" because you want to hedge your bet and allow
yourself an "out" when you're eventually proven wrong because you a)
don't have the courage of your convictions, and/or b) know you are
wrong, and are presenting an empty pretense of an argument.
>> In contrast, just to point out what "courage of your convictions" means:
>>
>> All Microsoft software is crap, designed to prevent competition rather
>> than to provide value to the consumer, and the Appellate Court will
>> uphold the entirety of Jackson's ruling.
>
>That's opinion, not fact, Max.
Well, you'll notice we're not discussing what is fact, which is
debatable, but whether or not we have the courage of our convictions.
In point of fact, my statement is, in fact, fact. That you don't accept
it as such is entirely ephemeral.
>It's also supposition.
No, its presumption.
>And going off what has
>been going on in the courts recently, it's highly doubtful that they'll
>uphold the entirety of the ruling.
Only based on your obviously preposterously skewed idea of what "has
been going on in the courts recently". It isn't doubtful at all, to me;
I don't doubt it. Thus, the "courage of my convictions" in stating that
it will, in fact, be entirely upheld.
>Most likely, they'll hold up just a small
>part of it.
Most likely, you're still trying to hedge your bet, at best. Care to
point out what "small part" will be upheld, and what will not?
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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