Linux-Advocacy Digest #850, Volume #29 Wed, 25 Oct 00 02:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: KDE2.0 released! (sfcybear)
Re: back-up for linux workstation.. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: KDE2.0 released! (sfcybear)
Re: KDE2.0 released! (sfcybear)
Re: Linux IS an operating system, Windows 9x and ME are not, here is why.
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Astroturfing (Caldera OpenLinux User)
Re: Troll ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Astroturfing (Jason Bowen)
Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!! ("Otto")
Re: Win 2k Rocks!!!! Linux? It's days are numbered on my system. (JoeX1029)
Re: Astroturfing (Caldera OpenLinux User)
Re: Debian vs RedHat/Mandrake (FM)
Re: Debian vs RedHat/Mandrake ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Debian vs RedHat/Mandrake (Tim Hanson)
Re: Microsoft Speaks German! ("Chad Myers")
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE2.0 released!
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 02:21:59 GMT
wow, if it replaces it with something worthwhile, then windows may be
worth another look!
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Agent J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> what?
> you have never heard of litestep then, it let's you replace the window
decor
> in windows, you can also replace the explorer too!
>
> sfcybear wrote in message <8t2paf$2nm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >And looking good! Another advantage for the opensource incramental
> >upgreads! Despite the fact that the Linux2.4 kernel is not ready, I
have
> >upgraded the windows manager. With MS, I just can not do that!
> >
> >
> >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> >Before you buy.
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: back-up for linux workstation..
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 02:21:47 GMT
In article <8t4nt8$lai$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Rajendra Jadhav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I wanted to know what type of backing-up system can I use for my Linux
> workstation..like can I use a cd writer..or a jazz drive..or something
like
> that.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Rajendra Jadhav
>
Is this a corporate workstation or your own personal home system? In
other words... how much do you want to spend? There are some _very_
good mission-critical backup devices available. And some very expensive
backup software to run them.
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE2.0 released!
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 02:20:42 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> sfcybear wrote:
>
> > And looking good! Another advantage for the opensource incramental
> > upgreads! Despite the fact that the Linux2.4 kernel is not ready, I
have
> > upgraded the windows manager. With MS, I just can not do that!
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>
> Oh yeah!
>
> KDE 2.0, Linux 2.4 and Xfree 4.0 already out.
>
> I can't wait for my Christmas present!
>
> FreeBSD speedo's --- LOOK OUT FOR ME!
>
> Charlie
>
Linux 2.4 is still in beta....
>
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE2.0 released!
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 02:32:29 GMT
Man did you even read the problems part of the FAQ???? What a pain in
the a** litestep is! Edit the register to fix this, go to this page for
that.... It hardly looks like it at all compatiable with the underlying
kernel! No thanks, I'll keep linux and KDE! much better intigration!
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Agent J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> what?
> you have never heard of litestep then, it let's you replace the window
decor
> in windows, you can also replace the explorer too!
>
> sfcybear wrote in message <8t2paf$2nm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >And looking good! Another advantage for the opensource incramental
> >upgreads! Despite the fact that the Linux2.4 kernel is not ready, I
have
> >upgraded the windows manager. With MS, I just can not do that!
> >
> >
> >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> >Before you buy.
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux IS an operating system, Windows 9x and ME are not, here is why.
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 02:44:49 GMT
In article <8t5alr$5mb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Goldhammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> Honestly speaking, if you asked me today to speculate on
> the true origins of NT, I would say that it is based on
> a hack of Windows For Workgroups, not VMS.
I, too, am a former VAX/VMS system manager and programmer, and a
long-time user of WinNT. The only commonality I can find between the
two is that Dave Cutler was tangentially involved in the development of
both. Claiming that WinNT is an evolutionary product of VMS has
absolutely no basis in fact. If there are any similarities between the
two, it is because operating systems by necessity share common
features.
Dave wrote the forward to a book I have called "Inside Windows NT".
Although he does briefly mention VMS he says that NT was developed
completely devoid of the "baggage" of previous operating systems.
This is one of those myths that is going to be hard to kill.
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:08:44 -0700
From: Caldera OpenLinux User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Tue, 24 Oct 2000 04:08:00 -0400
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Drestin Black wrote:
>
>
> >> What's even MORE amazing is that you know there are hundreds of millions of
> >> users of MS products who are obviously not paid to use those products,
> >
> >Oh, yes they are.
> >
> >When I'm at work, I am ***PAID*** to use MS-Office, even though I am
> >fully convinced that nobody in his right mind would pay for it.
> >
>
> One wonders who paid for MS-Office at your workplace (and at mine).
> I'll admit, it's a useful tool, but not as much for those who work at home.
>
Gartner Groups says MS Office prices for corporations have increased 300% over
the past few years (by more restrictive licenses and prices changes).
>
> (And the openness to viruses doesn't help, either. I couldn't begin
> to imagine infecting elm or pine... :-) )
The anti-viral software (another fee) also steals CPU cycles.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Troll
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 03:03:48 GMT
In article <fRpJ5.1352$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Idoia Sainz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> What the Hell is a Troll ? I just can remember now some
> of the Tolkien and mitology creatures, something to be ?
>
Think fishing, not mythology. In fishing terms, trolling means you put
some bait on a hook, toss it out, and keep reeling it in, waiting for
something to eventually bite.
On usenet, posting an inflammatory putdown of a newsgroup's sacred cow
is the same as casting out bait. Unlike most linvocates, however, most
of the bass in my lake are smart enough now to be able to distinguish
between food and bait. The stupid ones that don't figure it out get
filleted and eaten.
Damn shame that don't happen here on c.o.l.a.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Bowen)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: 25 Oct 2000 03:05:07 GMT
In article <39f55081$1$yrgbherq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>news:39f384d1$1$yrgbherq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>> Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>>>
>>> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>> >news:39f2e6f0$1$yrgbherq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>> >> >What's wrong with your reading comprehension, Joseph, that you can't
>>> >notice
>>> >> >the words "Besides that" in my statements. That means, "Even if it
>>were
>>> >> >true".
>>> >>
>>> >> You're proceeding on the hope that everyone here is too stupid to know
>>> >that
>>> >> newspapers would not run this story without verifying it. This makes
>>you
>>> >> either an M$ paid troll or a complete jackass troll.
>>>
>>> >The story doesn't say that MS paid them. That's the point. Did you even
>>> >read it? The conclusion that MS paid for the letters was made by someone
>>> >else
>>>
>>> Answer the question: How much are you paid to be here?
>
>>Well, you caught me. I'm paid $10 billion dollars a day to be here. Are you
>>happy now? Go away idiot.
>
>You're the idiot if you think that all of us are stupid enough to think your
>constant cheerlead ing for M$ is done for some altruistic reason. -- You are
>either paid for it, or are suffering from some mental deficiency that compels
>you to have vicarious relationship with bill gates and support him for free.
>Which is it jackass?
I think he is acutally quite like you Ed. I can't fathom you being a
cheerleader for OS/2 for altruistic reasons so what is the benefit to you?
>
>
>--
>-----------------------------------------------------------
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From: "Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!!
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 03:16:30 GMT
"Shannon Hendrix" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8t2458$15a$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
: In article <WGgI5.32396$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: Otto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:
: > Linux does detect the memory correctly, although it uses only the first
64
: > MB of it until you change some configuration files. Chad might've meant
: > that. The only distro I've seen which detects and uses all of the memory
was
: > Caldera 2.4.
:
: This is not true. Sigh...
Wishful thinking....
:
: The problem is that when Linux is being loaded, a check was made,
: basically a BIOS call for memory (can't remember which one), and it
: often returned 64M at the most. If you knew you had 128MB of RAM then
: you added a boot parameter to Linux to tell it how much RAM you had
: since your BIOS/motherboard combination couldn't get it right.
:
: This is a PC/BIOS bug, not a Linux bug.
I'd go along with that if it happens on all platform, but it doesn't. On the
very same PC, laptop, etc., Windows detects it correctly, regardless of the
BIOS bug. For that matter, as I mention in my previous post, even Caldera
can do so. Red Hat can't. Adding the mem=xxxMB isn't that hard and you
people seems to deny the obvious.
:
: > As for the "audio CD" part.... nah, no comment.
:
: Windows ME found my new laser printer yesterday. I have looked
: everywhere for it, but still can't find it. Must be really small...
: :)
Eagerly awaiting what else Windows can detect for you :).
Otto
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JoeX1029)
Subject: Re: Win 2k Rocks!!!! Linux? It's days are numbered on my system.
Date: 25 Oct 2000 03:25:17 GMT
Win2k sucks ass. A good friend of mine set it up on a Dual 400 with 512m ram,
crashes once or twice every other day. I setup RedHat 5.2 on a 133 64m ram and
it only crashed once (practicing writing buffer overflows and dumped the wrong
program). But, of course, Win2K is sooo much better.
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:34:25 -0700
From: Caldera OpenLinux User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Jason Bowen wrote:
> In article <39f55081$1$yrgbherq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >
> >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >>news:39f384d1$1$yrgbherq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>> Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >>>
> >>> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >>> >news:39f2e6f0$1$yrgbherq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>> >> >What's wrong with your reading comprehension, Joseph, that you can't
> >>> >notice
> >>> >> >the words "Besides that" in my statements. That means, "Even if it
> >>were
> >>> >> >true".
> >>> >>
> >>> >> You're proceeding on the hope that everyone here is too stupid to know
> >>> >that
> >>> >> newspapers would not run this story without verifying it. This makes
> >>you
> >>> >> either an M$ paid troll or a complete jackass troll.
> >>>
> >>> >The story doesn't say that MS paid them. That's the point. Did you even
> >>> >read it? The conclusion that MS paid for the letters was made by someone
> >>> >else
> >>>
> >>> Answer the question: How much are you paid to be here?
> >
> >>Well, you caught me. I'm paid $10 billion dollars a day to be here. Are you
> >>happy now? Go away idiot.
> >
> >You're the idiot if you think that all of us are stupid enough to think your
> >constant cheerlead ing for M$ is done for some altruistic reason. -- You are
> >either paid for it, or are suffering from some mental deficiency that compels
> >you to have vicarious relationship with bill gates and support him for free.
> >Which is it jackass?
>
> I think he is acutally quite like you Ed. I can't fathom you being a
> cheerleader for OS/2 for altruistic reasons so what is the benefit to you?
He's not at all like Ed. You're trying to pick a fight.
Some folk like Drestin think computing is simply picking and pushing a brand
name. He works for free becasue he identifies himself with a brand of PC
shrinkwrap software.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (FM)
Subject: Re: Debian vs RedHat/Mandrake
Date: 25 Oct 2000 02:55:25 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It doesn't take anymore time to install and use Debian than
>any of the others. And Debian is the STAR of Linux with
>the best LSB rating next to Suse's.
But you see, I already have a fully customized (not much,
but to the point I feel comfortable) working system. I'm
not planning on a system change before the Thanksgiving.
Dan.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Debian vs RedHat/Mandrake
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 04:22:45 GMT
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
> Ha ha, shit!
> Give Bill Gates another 10 years and Windows will probably
> be another NIX if he had it his way!
>
> Charlie
You mean you think his pre-NT marketing claim of 'better unix
than unix' might someday come true? Want to buy a bridge?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Debian vs RedHat/Mandrake
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 04:42:45 GMT
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:22:16 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The
> > Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >I wouldn't mind variou various benchmark information on this as well.
> > >The FreeBSD community isn't as visible as the Linux one, but it's clear
> > >that, if there's an advantage to FreeBSD, it should be touted.
> > >
> > >And this looks like an advantage. :-)
> >
> > I was simply asking him to prove his statement, I don't know if it is
> > true or not.
> >
>
> FreeBSD is the FASTEST OPERATING SYSTEM in the WORLD.
> It just runs away from Linux 2.2 kernels.
>
> It still walks away from a linux 2.4 kernel but not fast enough for
> me to give up all my driver support for the hardware.
>
> FreeBSD is limited on hardware support where Linux practically
> supports everything Windows does today. There is little left
> Linux doesn't support.
>
> FreeBSD just has that hangup BSD license which would theoretically
> allow BSDI to close the source and that's why I don't trust it.
>
> Linux uses GNU/GPL and you can trust that license.
>
> It's just that simple.
>
That's pretty much it, bottom line, isn't it?. Sometimes I wish *BSD
was as popular or more so, but it isn't. Whatever the reason, whether
it is the past strings to AT&T, past court problems, or the license,
Linux has the momentum right now, and it's snowballing.
> Now if somebody would just explain to me WHY Yahoo is dumping
> FreeBSD in favor of Linux then I would know everything....
>
> Why the Google contract?
>
> >
> > >
> > >You could be nicer about it, you know. :-)
> >
> > He chose to BS ( in another thread) and unfortunately he got caught
> > tossing around terms he knows nothing about.
> >
> > I don't try to argue programming, or network servers, because "hello.c
> > was as far as I got.
> > Even Ebert at least post's proof, albeit sometimes a little stretched,
> > of his comments.
> >
> > yttrx lies, lies and lies again. He gets caught all the time.
> >
> > claire
> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>claire
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>On 23 Oct 2000 19:19:46 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
> > >
> > >[snip]
> > >
> > >>>http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/x18762.html
> > >
> > >This is not a benchmark, but it does look interesting.
> > >
> > >[snip]
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft Speaks German!
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 04:32:07 GMT
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> JS/PL wrote:
>
> > "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > > Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >I found it interesting that they actually spent money
> > > > >on this one. Who was their Ad man?
> > > >
> > > > It was a stupid move. It only serves to show that Linux is
> > > > legit and M$ is worried about it.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well, let's put it this way!
> > > It was a totally childish move by Microsoft to
> > > run a negative campaign ad in Europe.
> >
> > Yea right. I have have grown to accept that every single article about Linux
> > will likely contain at least one slam against Microsoft. The whole Linux
> > campaign is built upon negativity towards Microsoft.
> >
> > To prove my point I'll simply type a URL - Ohh... how bout.... linux.org
> >
> > Page one at http://www.linux.org , the second text link states "Whats MS
> > worried about?"
> > But as I jump down to the "People of Linux" section and click the link to an
> > interview with Shawn Gorgon, I notice, there it is AS PREDICTED, a slam
> > against MS towards the bottom of the page. What do you know... :-(
> >
> > Who's being childish??
>
> I went to this link and it took me here.
>
> http://www.it.fairfax.com.au/breaking/20001023/A2507-2000Oct23.html
Has anyone successfully verified what magazine, EXACTLY, this ad came from?
Has there been any confirmation from MS or MS Germany? Has anyone
but Slashdot officially produced anything resembling evidence?
Slashdot is one up from the newspaper on the bottom of a birds cage, can
anyone verify with a reputible source?
-Chad
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