Linux-Advocacy Digest #858, Volume #29 Wed, 25 Oct 00 19:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: An entire morning wasted on a Linux install. (Jim Broughton)
Re: KDE2.0 released! (Matthias Warkus)
Re: An entire morning wasted on a Linux install. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: An entire morning wasted on a Linux install. (Gary Hallock)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Relax")
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! (Jim Broughton)
Re: An entire morning wasted on a Linux install. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Relax")
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From: Jim Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An entire morning wasted on a Linux install.
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:08:03 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> IBM Thinkpad 765L with 3 gig blank un partitioned hard disk.
> Sigma Data 24x CDROM (says IBM certified on label) in Ultrabay.
> USR PCMCIA 56K modem.
> Linksys Cardbus PCMCIA Ethernet card.
> 64 Meg memory.
>
> And one friend who asked me to install Linux, no particular
> distribution in mind. Just something "nice" so he can try Linux.
>
> I try Mandrake 7.x as my first choice and slap the CD in only to
> discover this particular machine will not boot from the CD no matter
> what I do in the BIOS. Ok so I follow the somewhat screwed up
> directions and make a boot diskette. Still the CDROM doesn't get
> recognized despite trying every *.img file on the CD. Ok so now I
> figure maybe Mandrake is screwy so I try RedHat 6.2 and get similar
> results. At this point I start to think maybe the CDROM drive is
> defective so I make a startup diskette on one of my Windows 98se
> machines, which has obviously completely different hardware, and try
> it. Bingo it recognizes the CDROM and also the fact that the hardisk
> is not partitioned. Going one step farther, I partition the drive and
> put the Windows 98 SE CDROM in and start an install. Works like a
> champ. This is with a startup diskette from a completely different
> system with completely different hardware, and yet it seems to install
> some generic Oak Cdrom driver to make it work until Windows can
> install the proper driver.
> Not to be daunted, I wipe the drive and try SuSE 6.4 via the boot
> diskette method and FINALLY the CD is recognized and I am able to
> install Linux. All hardware except sound is working fine.
> I took the "Install almost Everything" option and it took about 2.5
> hours to complete with 1.7 gig of drive space used. Granted this is
> not the fastest of machines (although the CD is 24x) at P166mhz.
>
> Now comes the fun part. Getting this beast to talk to the other
> machines on the network. I've tried it on my network and I can ping
> the ICS machine (running Win 2k) but when I bring up Netscape on the
> Linux machine it won't connect. What magic incantation do I need to
> know in order to do this. On the other Win machines it just worked
> from the start when I checked the "Share the Connection" tab.
>
> Question #2 How could I have installed to the Laptop via FTP from the
> CDROM mounted on the network CDROM? With a bare harddrive how would I
> go about doing this. Is there some cookbook (I am network challenged)
> procedure somewhere?
>
> I'd like to get this thing back to him tonight so he can play with
> Linux a bit.
>
> Claire
Not being one to hold a grudge.
First you need to be able to see if your netcard is functional
/sbin/ifconfig
use no options and it will tell you which interfaces you have
setup and operational.
If your net card is not setup You would need to do that first.
If it is setup do this...
/sbin/ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.10 broadcast 192.168.0.255 netmask 255.255.255.0
If you mess up the numbers type
/sbin/ifconfig down eth0
then retry it again with the corrected numbers.
replace all net numbers with those you requier.
Next you need to set your gateway. Yes the same as in windows.
Except in linux you use the route command. In SuSe this
should also be doable from YAST either 1 or 2. If you need
to do this manualy ....
/sbin/route add default gw 192.168.0.1 netmask 0.0.0.0 metric 1
replace the network address after the gw with your required address.
Or if your friends network requeres dhcp this should also be able to
be set up in YAST.
Follow those simple instructions and your friend will be up and going
and without a reboot. If you need more help type man COMMAND
where COMMAND is the program you need help on.
--
Jim Broughton
(The Amiga OS! Now there was an OS)
If Sense were common everyone would have it!
Following Air and Water the third most abundant
thing on the planet is Human Stupidity.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: KDE2.0 released!
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:10:54 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:25:24 -0400...
...and MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Personally, I think it's hideous. As are most Gnome desktop themes I see.
> What horrific clutter and nonsense! But, to each their own.
At the moment, there is no such thing as a "GNOME desktop theme".
There are themes for various GNOME-compliant window managers such as
Sawfish or Enlightenment, and there are themes for GTK+.
mawa
--
My baby said she loved me, but she lied, lied, lied!
-- The DynaTones.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An entire morning wasted on a Linux install.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:34:57 GMT
Thank you for the instructions. Turns out I had set up everything
correctly via YaST1 (I don't like yast2).
The problem was my firewall on the ICS machine. Despite allowing the
ip address of the Linux machine access, I had to stop and restart the
firewall.
Now it works fine.
Thanks again.
claire
On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:08:03 GMT, Jim Broughton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> IBM Thinkpad 765L with 3 gig blank un partitioned hard disk.
>> Sigma Data 24x CDROM (says IBM certified on label) in Ultrabay.
>> USR PCMCIA 56K modem.
>> Linksys Cardbus PCMCIA Ethernet card.
>> 64 Meg memory.
>>
>> And one friend who asked me to install Linux, no particular
>> distribution in mind. Just something "nice" so he can try Linux.
>>
>> I try Mandrake 7.x as my first choice and slap the CD in only to
>> discover this particular machine will not boot from the CD no matter
>> what I do in the BIOS. Ok so I follow the somewhat screwed up
>> directions and make a boot diskette. Still the CDROM doesn't get
>> recognized despite trying every *.img file on the CD. Ok so now I
>> figure maybe Mandrake is screwy so I try RedHat 6.2 and get similar
>> results. At this point I start to think maybe the CDROM drive is
>> defective so I make a startup diskette on one of my Windows 98se
>> machines, which has obviously completely different hardware, and try
>> it. Bingo it recognizes the CDROM and also the fact that the hardisk
>> is not partitioned. Going one step farther, I partition the drive and
>> put the Windows 98 SE CDROM in and start an install. Works like a
>> champ. This is with a startup diskette from a completely different
>> system with completely different hardware, and yet it seems to install
>> some generic Oak Cdrom driver to make it work until Windows can
>> install the proper driver.
>> Not to be daunted, I wipe the drive and try SuSE 6.4 via the boot
>> diskette method and FINALLY the CD is recognized and I am able to
>> install Linux. All hardware except sound is working fine.
>> I took the "Install almost Everything" option and it took about 2.5
>> hours to complete with 1.7 gig of drive space used. Granted this is
>> not the fastest of machines (although the CD is 24x) at P166mhz.
>>
>> Now comes the fun part. Getting this beast to talk to the other
>> machines on the network. I've tried it on my network and I can ping
>> the ICS machine (running Win 2k) but when I bring up Netscape on the
>> Linux machine it won't connect. What magic incantation do I need to
>> know in order to do this. On the other Win machines it just worked
>> from the start when I checked the "Share the Connection" tab.
>>
>> Question #2 How could I have installed to the Laptop via FTP from the
>> CDROM mounted on the network CDROM? With a bare harddrive how would I
>> go about doing this. Is there some cookbook (I am network challenged)
>> procedure somewhere?
>>
>> I'd like to get this thing back to him tonight so he can play with
>> Linux a bit.
>>
>> Claire
>
> Not being one to hold a grudge.
>First you need to be able to see if your netcard is functional
>
>/sbin/ifconfig
>
>use no options and it will tell you which interfaces you have
>setup and operational.
>If your net card is not setup You would need to do that first.
>If it is setup do this...
>
>/sbin/ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.10 broadcast 192.168.0.255 netmask 255.255.255.0
>If you mess up the numbers type
>/sbin/ifconfig down eth0
>then retry it again with the corrected numbers.
>replace all net numbers with those you requier.
>Next you need to set your gateway. Yes the same as in windows.
>Except in linux you use the route command. In SuSe this
>should also be doable from YAST either 1 or 2. If you need
>to do this manualy ....
>
>/sbin/route add default gw 192.168.0.1 netmask 0.0.0.0 metric 1
>
>replace the network address after the gw with your required address.
>Or if your friends network requeres dhcp this should also be able to
>be set up in YAST.
>Follow those simple instructions and your friend will be up and going
>and without a reboot. If you need more help type man COMMAND
>where COMMAND is the program you need help on.
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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:56:51 -0400
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An entire morning wasted on a Linux install.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> IBM Thinkpad 765L with 3 gig blank un partitioned hard disk.
> Sigma Data 24x CDROM (says IBM certified on label) in Ultrabay.
> USR PCMCIA 56K modem.
> Linksys Cardbus PCMCIA Ethernet card.
> 64 Meg memory.
>
> And one friend who asked me to install Linux, no particular
> distribution in mind. Just something "nice" so he can try Linux.
>
> I try Mandrake 7.x as my first choice and slap the CD in only to
> discover this particular machine will not boot from the CD no matter
> what I do in the BIOS.
I installed Redhat 6.1 on just such a machine. Your right, it can't
boot from CD. That's just the way the hardware is. After I discovered
that, I followed the directions for installing from the hard drive.
Piece of cake.
> Ok so I follow the somewhat screwed up
> directions and make a boot diskette. Still the CDROM doesn't get
> recognized despite trying every *.img file on the CD. Ok so now I
> figure maybe Mandrake is screwy so I try RedHat 6.2 and get similar
> results. At this point I start to think maybe the CDROM drive is
> defective so I make a startup diskette on one of my Windows 98se
> machines, which has obviously completely different hardware, and try
> it. Bingo it recognizes the CDROM and also the fact that the hardisk
> is not partitioned. Going one step farther, I partition the drive and
> put the Windows 98 SE CDROM in and start an install. Works like a
> champ. This is with a startup diskette from a completely different
> system with completely different hardware, and yet it seems to install
> some generic Oak Cdrom driver to make it work until Windows can
> install the proper driver.
> Not to be daunted, I wipe the drive and try SuSE 6.4 via the boot
> diskette method and FINALLY the CD is recognized and I am able to
> install Linux. All hardware except sound is working fine.
> I took the "Install almost Everything" option and it took about 2.5
> hours to complete with 1.7 gig of drive space used. Granted this is
> not the fastest of machines (although the CD is 24x) at P166mhz.
>
Sound works fine for me. Just type:
setup
and choose sound card configuration or type sndconfig.
>
> Now comes the fun part. Getting this beast to talk to the other
> machines on the network. I've tried it on my network and I can ping
> the ICS machine (running Win 2k) but when I bring up Netscape on the
> Linux machine it won't connect. What magic incantation do I need to
> know in order to do this. On the other Win machines it just worked
> from the start when I checked the "Share the Connection" tab.
>
If you can ping then the network connection is up and running. I had
no problem with Netscape - you do have to set the proxy from Netscape
Edit Preferences if you want to get outside a firewall.
>
> Question #2 How could I have installed to the Laptop via FTP from the
> CDROM mounted on the network CDROM? With a bare harddrive how would I
> go about doing this. Is there some cookbook (I am network challenged)
> procedure somewhere?
You use the bootnet.img. Reading the manual is always a good idea.
>
>
> I'd like to get this thing back to him tonight so he can play with
> Linux a bit.
>
> Claire
Gary
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From: "Relax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: 25 Oct 2000 18:05:14 -0500
"2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Relax wrote:
> > So you can draw an 1 inch circle in the middle of the surface that will
> > display as a 1 inch circle in the middle of the rendering surface on all
> > rendering devices? terminal or paper? If it's pixel based, "1 inch" and
> > "middle" are device-dependent things.
>
> No OS knows what the size of my moniter, therefore, drawing a 1" cricle
> on my moniter could be somewhat difficult. If it's pixel based, and you
> have a get_x_size(), get_y_size(), get_dpi() functions, then it is quite
> easy to draw a 1" circle in the middle of the page. After all, the
> device independent format has to be rasterized eventually. If it can do
> that, then so can you.
Well, Windows has a notion of logical inches (or logical-wathever, for that
matter). It's the (hardware) device driver's responsability to scale things
(sort of, it actually provides the necesary info to GDI) and that driver can
find out the device's details all by itself, thanks to plug and play.
Believe it or not, it just works. Admittedly, not all (older) monitor and
printers supports plug and play so it is sometime necessary to tell the
driver, at install time, the exact device type it is talking to. But from an
app point of view, those are details that can be safely ignored. You just
query the device context for what you need to know, set up a mapping mode
(two calls) and just paint and draw. You don't have to perform any scaling
or coordinate transforms on your own. Regardless of the rendering device,
it's business as usual. I unserstand the PostScript scheme for printing on
Unix, but I also understand that Display PostScript and PnP are not there
(yet?) Anyway, as someone pointed out, 20 years (or so) separate X and W so
hopefully the later does a couple of things better :)
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From: Jim Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:01:20 GMT
sfcybear wrote:
>
> In article <39f4d388$0$1075$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > "R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:8t2feb$qva$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > <snip>--
> > > Rex Ballard - I/T Architect, MIS Director
> > > Linux Advocate, Internet Pioneer
> > > http://www.open4success.com
> > > Linux - 60 million satisfied users worldwide
> > > and growing at over 9%/month! (recalibrated 10/23/00)
> >
> > Say - did you notice this from that site?
> >
> > http://counter.li.org/estimates.html
> >
> > This guy estimates 15 million linux users ... (and he doesn't presume
> to be
> > psychic and determine if they are satisified or if they downloaded it
> and
> > never finished installing it)
> >
> > Time to get recalibrated again...
>
> It also does not account for the users that have burned thier own CD's
> and installed Linux on MANY machines!
>
> >
> >
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
I know that personaly the linux that I purchased 1 year ago
is now running on 7 pc's 2 of which are mine and the other 5 are on friends
machines. One person uses it as I do "almost exclusivly", another is a
firewall box on a 10 port lan. One other is as a dual boot on another friends
pc and he uses w2k for windows development for his employer. 2 others are
"giving it a try" (yeah for 6 months without so much as a help call!)
Granted that all of the friends that I have given linux too are either long time
computer users or current computer programmers/system operators for mainframe
systems and or large corporate lans.
These are just the people that linux needs to be able to convert the corporate
populus of computer workers. Where the workplace leads so goes the consumer market.
--
Jim Broughton
(The Amiga OS! Now there was an OS)
If Sense were common everyone would have it!
Following Air and Water the third most abundant
thing on the planet is Human Stupidity.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An entire morning wasted on a Linux install.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:04:52 GMT
On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:56:51 -0400, Gary Hallock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I installed Redhat 6.1 on just such a machine. Your right, it can't
>boot from CD. That's just the way the hardware is. After I discovered
>that, I followed the directions for installing from the hard drive.
>Piece of cake.
How did you partition it so that you could have the files you are
installing and also the target on the same drive?
>Sound works fine for me. Just type:
>
>setup
>
>and choose sound card configuration or type sndconfig.
I left that for last. I didn't mean to imply that sound didn't work, I
just meant that it was installed as default.
Sound was kind of a low priority at the time :)
It works fine now.
>>
>> Now comes the fun part. Getting this beast to talk to the other
>> machines on the network. I've tried it on my network and I can ping
>> the ICS machine (running Win 2k) but when I bring up Netscape on the
>> Linux machine it won't connect. What magic incantation do I need to
>> know in order to do this. On the other Win machines it just worked
>> from the start when I checked the "Share the Connection" tab.
>>
>
>If you can ping then the network connection is up and running. I had
>no problem with Netscape - you do have to set the proxy from Netscape
>Edit Preferences if you want to get outside a firewall.
I found the bug. The firewall on the ICS machine had to be stopped and
restarted, even though I created a rule to allow traffic from the
TP-765 ip address.
The network end of Linux installed perfectly.
The problem was on the Windows end of the string :)
>>
>> Question #2 How could I have installed to the Laptop via FTP from the
>> CDROM mounted on the network CDROM? With a bare harddrive how would I
>> go about doing this. Is there some cookbook (I am network challenged)
>> procedure somewhere?
>
>You use the bootnet.img. Reading the manual is always a good idea.
I know, but I was getting frustrated.
SuSE 6.4 DID install perfectly though.
YaST is pretty nice and much improved in that more options can be
controlled via Suseconfig including all kinds of firewall stuff and
startup scripts etc.
Claire
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From: "Relax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: 25 Oct 2000 18:09:16 -0500
> > > "2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > There is not OS graphics subsystem. The graphics is done simply via
> > > socket calls.
> >
> > It *has* to be a little more than that :) The libraries certainly
provides
> > things such as drawing surfaces in memory etc.
>
> That is not necessary, you can do it by hand. All that is needed is
> socket calls, since that is how all communication is done. In X terms,
> Xlib is assembly language and the socket calls are machine code.
OK, but what if you are assembling things in memory, or apply transforms or
whatever in your app code? Do you have to do it pixel by pixel with a
network round trip for each pixel? (I hope not :)
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