Linux-Advocacy Digest #873, Volume #29 Fri, 27 Oct 00 12:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Astroturfing (Jason Bowen)
Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays. (Jim Lewis)
Re: Astroturfing (chrisv)
Re: Sorry, Claire, but this is urgent (chrisv)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (Loren Petrich)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (Loren Petrich)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (Loren Petrich)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Loren
Petrich)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Loren
Petrich)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Loren
Petrich)
Re: MS Hacked? ("Scaramanga")
Re: Win 2k Rocks!!!! Linux? It's days are numbered on my system. ("MH")
Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays. (Stuart Fox)
Re: MS Hacked? ("Scaramanga")
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum (Roberto Alsina)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Bowen)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: 27 Oct 2000 13:40:22 GMT
In article <39f9447d$2$yrgbherq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Bowen) said:
>
>>In article <39f8cd77$1$yrgbherq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>Jason you are not just a twit, you are a very dumb asshole. Your argument was
>>>that a low level cache would make the user of any operating system -- even a
>>>single threaded-one like wincrap anything -- *more productive* because the
>>>machine would run faster then the user of system without a low-level cache
>>>that could multi-task very well. -- Focus on the word "Productive." Look it
>>>up if you don't know what it means.
>
>>We were talking about hardware Ed. You obviously can't differentiate between
>>the hardware and software. You didn't understand what was going on and
>>instead of admitting this you keep looking like a dumb ass to anybody that
>>has a small understanding of the hardware caching.
>
>
>This is why you are complete idiot. You try to argue a limited absolute, as
>the only point to consider. Hardware has no value without software that
>allows it to do something. That changes the equation and the results.
>
>Now go away and growup.
When you can admit your wrongs you can tell others to grow up. The
argument was about a chipset not being able to cache above 64mb and you
tried to join in with irrelevant information. Bob was wrong and you were
wrong but you are too small to admit that you didn't understand the issue
at hand.
>
>>>
>>>I did try to explain it you several different times and in several different
>>>ways. You didn't get it. That you keep whining the same stupid idea every time
>>>you lose a point, is proof that either you are a complete nincompoop, or a
>>>petty immature grudge carying idiot, or a person whose parents should
>>>apologize to the world for breeding you. -- My vote is for all three!
>
>>No you didn't get it. Tell me how OS/2 overcomes the CPU hardware caching
>>again. Me and all the EE's that are reading would love to know.
Still waiting for the answer. Didn't you put me in your "twit filter"?
>
>>>
>>>I'm not sure why Colorado took you in or keeps you. Perhaps you are their
>>>token dumbbell something and they can't get rid of you. But since you won't go
>>>away and growup, and keep whining the same stupid argument, I am tempted to
>>>locate your boss and ask if you're the department janitor playing with the
>>>computers when no one is looking, or something more. Because you certainly
>>>have never displayed the brains or the good sense to shutup when you're wrong
>>>-- and if you are in any position with responsibility beyond emptying the
>>>trash, it implies to the outside world that the department has no respect for
>>>itself or anyone else -- especially those who are paying good money to be
>>>there.
>
>>One things for sure, you couldn't pass the classes that I have.
>
>>>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Lewis)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays.
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:22:23 GMT
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>
>Of course 2.4 is well over a year late now.
I guess I missed the published to-be-released date from Linus
"well over a year" ago.
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:31:01 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>That is because you're an asshole who refuses to understand or consider any
>argument you don't want to hear. Your parents really should not breed any
>more like you.
Why, there's a lot of factual information.
Sore loser. You lose the arguement, so you lash out with insults.
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sorry, Claire, but this is urgent
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:50:29 GMT
Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am a New Zealander and I loved the closing and opening of the Olympic Games in
>Sydney. Just because it did not fit into the Americanized format that dominates
>popular culture does not mean that it was not good. I was also thrilled to see the
>wide range of cultures and sections of society represented at the opening and
>closing of the games (especially the Maori group representing New Zealand). Unless
>you Claire get out of the US, country of obesity, "free trade" on their own terms
>(i.e. fuck everyone else, we (the USA) will keep tariffs, quotas and subsidies high
>and screw other countries), and foreign policy that contradicts internal social
>policy, and actually see the rest of the world (which is a darn site better than
>the USA) you will continue to rot in you little suburban rotting neighbourhood in
>the middle of no-where.
You idiot. You pathetic little worm. You are obviously just mad that
your piss-ant little country could sink into the ocean tomorrow and no
one would notice.
Next time take your ignorant, petty little nationalistic rants to the
proper newsgroup.
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From: Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:53:42 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Loren Petrich wrote:
> > I have a theory that she's only interested in marrying Mr. Kulkis
> > just to get US citizenship.
> If that were the case, she would have married another guy a few
> years back.
Don't be too sure. She may have thought that you were a more
reliable immigration ticket.
--
Loren Petrich
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Happiness is a fast Macintosh
And a fast train
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From: Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:54:17 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You leftists are ALWAYS using "laudable goals" to excuse DESTRUCTIVE RESULTS.
While you right-wingers are proud of being Evil People?
--
Loren Petrich
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Happiness is a fast Macintosh
And a fast train
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From: Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:57:04 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh really, fat ass?
> http://www.webcom.com/petrich/my_portrait.jpg
I've yet to comment on Mr. Kulkis's appearance, but I would not be
surprised if he makes me seem scrawny.
> Al Gore's plans are all about confiscating everybody's money, and
> then returning it to them ONLY if agree to perform the appropriate
> circus tricks for uncaring bureaucrats.
Cry me a river. O former government employee.
--
Loren Petrich
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Happiness is a fast Macintosh
And a fast train
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From: Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:00:23 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jim Richardson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 05:16:42 GMT,
> Loren Petrich, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> brought forth the following words...:
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jim Richardson
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I am a little confused as to what your response has to do wrt Mr "Earth in
> >> the Balance, but zinc mining profits in my checkbook balance" Gore.
> >
> > Typical yellow-dog Republicanism. Compared to Gore's zinc mine,
> >Bush's Texas air is far worse.
> Why is it you assume that anyone who is not pro-gore must be pro-bush?
> Gore owns a zinv mine, in tennessee, that has twice been cited by the state
> for groundwater pollution. The state is considering legal action, to force
> Gore
> to clean up the tailings. What does that have to do with the governor of Texas?
Because that's what his opponent is, and I don't see any complaining
from you about how Bush is Gore in disguise or whatever.
--
Loren Petrich
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Happiness is a fast Macintosh
And a fast train
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From: Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:05:41 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Static66
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Oct 2000 23:07:29 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Loren Petrich wrote:
> >> Sort of like a yellow-dog Democrat.
> >Translation: fat-ass wanna-be-dictator socialist losers like Loren.
> well he is of croatian decent and they did side with the nazi's for
> awile if I'm not mistaken...
So what?
> its also Funny how he chose to rip my military service in bosnia, when
> his family came from the region and should know full well of the
> horrors and hardships suffered there.
So what?
--
Loren Petrich
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Happiness is a fast Macintosh
And a fast train
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From: Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:01:29 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Loren Petrich wrote:
> > "I'd vote for any yellow dog who just happens to be a Republican".
> That's the best you can come up with, fat ass?
What can one expect from a yellow-dog Republican?
--
Loren Petrich
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Happiness is a fast Macintosh
And a fast train
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From: "Scaramanga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS Hacked?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:04:24 +0000
You can find it on kernel.org or sourceforge.net, knock yourself out
--
// Scaramanga
www.geek-ware.co.uk - v0rsprung gEEk tEknEEQ
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win 2k Rocks!!!! Linux? It's days are numbered on my system.
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:05:46 -0400
Its really quite simple. The lose use of contractions is a loosing
proposition here in cola.
There really never going to understand that until they're grammar and basic
spelling is improved upon, their not going to gain credibility. If they've
cant write English, then there not going to write very good code. It makes
me loose my mind to see's it's over and over and over again.
(-:
"Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> MH wrote:
>
> > It is days are numbered?
> > I don't understand.
>
> That's an expression. Saying that something's days are numbered means
> that
> it will soon cease to exist.
>
> Or were you complaining about it's vs. its?
>
> Colin Day
>
>
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From: Stuart Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays.
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:58:58 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chad Myers wrote:
> >
> > "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Compaq has made a significant stink of the delayed 2.4 kernel
> > > release.
> > >
> > > It's funny but I can't remember a single Windows version which
wasn't
> > > delayed by months from the target release.
> >
> > But I thought OSS software was supposed to be superior in all
regards.
> > Shouldn't a reasonable expectation be that it ships on time?
>
> Define "on time" in the context of software development.
When it was initially promised to be delivered in a project plan or
simliar document.
>
> In my experience, outside of trivial university homework assignments,
> NO SOFTWARE ever gets completed on time.
>
Of course some does. Some doesn't. Read "The Mythical Man Month" for
a good overview.
<Snip retarded sig>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Scaramanga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS Hacked?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:12:38 +0000
"Windows 98 suffers from an odd disease: The longer it is used on a
computer, the more sluggish it gets and the more crash-prone it
becomes. Microsoft officials privately acknowledge the problem but
have neither an explanation nor a cure for it. I haven't had enough
time with 2000 to be certain it doesn't show similar symptoms, but
I've never had this problem with NT."
I found this on business week, directly linked to on the microsoft website,
these are the people reccomending I install windows 2000.
None of the software on my system doers that. None of the software i have
written does that. The operating system i am writing in my spare time doesnt do
that. Fair go, I'm 19 years old and have no formal qualifications, my operating
system isnt release quality...yet. But then again, i dont have the near infinite
resources of microsoft.
--
// Scaramanga
www.geek-ware.co.uk - v0rsprung gEEk tEknEEQ
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:49:34 -0300
El mié, 25 oct 2000, Richard escribió:
>Roberto Alsina wrote:
>> El lun, 23 oct 2000, Richard escribió:
>> >RTTI?
>>
>> Yes, RTTI.
>>
>> >Why don't you ask Donovan or someone else who knows C++ whether or not
>> >classes exist at runtime in C++ or whether they're a pure compiler construct.
>>
>> You know what RTTI is, right?
>
>I haven't the faintest clue.
Cool.
>> >Almost no programmer ever needs to manipulate successful messages (eg, to
>> >redefine what happens during message sends). Something that isn't seen by
>> >anyone has no impact. OTOH, since C++ claim to OO is having class constructs
>> >and those constructs are used by EVERY programmer ALL the time, the fact
>> >that they are not objects matters.
>>
>> So, only what you decide matters, matters. How convenient.
>
>So when I'm providing reasons for something, that's just unsupported claims.
>And when you're making unsupported claims, those are reasons?
No, not at all.
>> So, not really forbidden. So, not really "false", but "in bad taste"? How
>> crappy your logic.
>
>How about forbidden by human rights since they are so fucking repulsive as
>to make any sane person shrink away in horror and vomit until they dry heave?
>
>Just how the hell do you parse "forbidden" if it's NOT by "good taste"?
>What exactly did you expect?
Yawn. Ok, so now you took over forbidden, too. Keep it.
>> >In that case, in systems with class constructs, it is NECESSARY for every
>> >object to be associated with some class in order to consider that object
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >an object. Otherwise, you have first-class objects and second-class "fake"
> ^^^^^^^^^
>> >"objects".
>>
>> So, is this again something about taste? Are you saying that the existence of
>> classes turns what were perfectly nice objects into non-objects? So your
>> definition of objects varies according to the language you use? How crappy.
>
>*IF* they were prototypes then they remain objects. If they weren't prototypes
>then they remain non-objects while other entities that become associated with
>these new class constructs become objects.
>
>> So, since it is a statement that is true in some cases and false in others, and
>> even seems to be a defining feauture of "objectness according to Richard", it
>> was hardly nonsense. How crappy your logic.
>
>You just don't seem to get it, do you? Every one of my statements is written,
>and should be interpreted, within the context of OO. If I say that something
>is forbidden then it is forbidden by OO, by good taste, by common sense, by
>sanity, by elegence and decency. You seem to have this fixation with "proving"
>that I believe C++ does not exist since *obviously* what C++ does is wildly
>forbidden by my criteria and I therefore MUST be implying that C++ does not
>exist. You are a fucking moron.
Yet again, you believe you know why I do things. Richard, you do not. I am not
insane enough to believe you think C++ does not exist.
>Using the trappings of logic to support such an idiotic opinion only proves
>that you understand nothing of logic.
Yet you seem to be unable to express yourself in a even slightly logical manner.
>> >> >Why do you believe that being arrogant, aggressive and belligerent /on a
>> >> >newsgroup/ (especially one such as this) says something about being (or not
>> >> >being) a good human being?
>> >>
>> >> Statistical correlation, and a hunch.
>> >
>> >That's so utterly pathetic Roberto. Did you perform the study yourself?
>>
>> Yup.
>
>I see. And what was your methodology?
It's private.
>What criteria did you use for "good human being"?
My own personal ones.
> Did you base them on social rationality, social approval or
>psychological fitness?
A little bit of this, a little bit of that.
> Just how wide was your sample of people you've seen
>on USENET and also seen in RL? What steps did you take to eliminate your
>own bias?
Small, and none.
>> > Was it published in a peer-reviewed journal?
>>
>> Nope. Never claimed it was a formal study.
>
>I see.
No you don't. You really don't.
>> > And of course, your hunches are trustworthy because they have been honed by
>> > years of practice in the field of clinical psychology, right?
>>
>> Only psychologists are allowed to have hunches? Perhaps they should all go to
>> Vegas and make a killing!
>
>Only psychologists have reliably good hunches about human nature. If they don't
>then there is a problem, isn't there?
There must be.
>> What a crappy person you seem to be. Perhaps it's because of that child abuse
>> you suffered.
>
>Or perhaps it's just that I have to deal with idiots and I have no compunction
>with rendering unto Ceasar his due.
Nah, I think you being crappy explains it more easily.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:02:55 -0300
El mié, 25 oct 2000, Relax escribió:
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8t52ve$v5p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> These memory drawing surfaces are not really used for things like device
>> independant printing. Printing is generally done via PostScript and for
>> non poscript devices the 'driver' is basically a usermode program that
>> takes postscript input and generates binary output for the given device.
>
>That's one of the main points here: drawing on screen with X and drawing on
>paper with PostScript are two completely separate things on Unix, requiring
>separate code, separate libraries and probably more work for the developer.
No. They are not, if you use a toolkit that integrates both things, as all
modern toolkits do. I have told you this about a dozen times already.
--
Roberto Alsina
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