Linux-Advocacy Digest #879, Volume #29 Fri, 27 Oct 00 22:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! (Steve Mading)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (WickedDyno)
Re: Why Linux is great. (sfcybear)
Re: Toyota FIRES Microsoft! ("Nik Simpson")
Re: Linux for the Desktop ("Brandon Van Every")
RE: Why Linux is great. (sfcybear)
Re: Microsoft Speaks German! (Paul Colquhoun)
Re: Linux ("Brandon Van Every")
Re: Linux ("Brandon Van Every")
Re: What I don't like about RedHat Linux. (Michael Marion)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Windows Source Code Stolen! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Linux ("Brandon Van Every")
Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays. (Terry Porter)
Re: Ms employees begging for food ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: 28 Oct 2000 00:41:58 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Too bad you're using Netscape's crappy news reader.
: Outlook Express has the concept of Identities which would allow
: you and other members of your families to have seperate, unique
: configurations.
I suppose that might come in handy on a system that is a
johnny-come-lately to the idea of multiple user accounts.
But here in the unix world, each app just puts its setup files
somewhere hanging off the user's home directory, typically with
a hidden filename. All my netscape settings are in $HOME/.netscape/
My newsreader history tracking file is in $HOME/.newsrc (and it is
in a format understood by multiple newsreaders, so I can switch
newsreaders without losing my place.) My desktop icons are in
$HOME/.desktop, and so on and so forth.
Roaming profiles and other such kluges are totally unnecessary in Unix.
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From: WickedDyno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:54:37 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Loren Petrich wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > You leftists are ALWAYS using "laudable goals" to excuse DESTRUCTIVE
> > > RESULTS.
> >
> > While you right-wingers are proud of being Evil People?
>
> I'm a Libertarian.
>
> Right-wingers are socialist assholes, just like you left-wingers.
>
> Libertarianism is ANTITHETICAL to socialism in any form, fatass
> shit-for-brains.
IME, it's also antithetical to reality in any form.
I know libertarians who claim that the U.S. Govt. should sell all
National parks to private companies because whoever bought them would be
in possession of such a beautiful place, they would never harm it.
They also claim that people will be safer if we disband the police and
have everyone carry concealed handguns.
And that Big Business really wants to protect the environment, workers'
rights, consumer rights, etc. -- government regulations are just
confusing the issue.
--
| Andrew Glasgow <amg39(at)cornell.edu> |
| SCSI is *NOT* magic. There are *fundamental technical |
| reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat |
| to your SCSI chain now and then. -- John Woods |
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux is great.
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:49:18 GMT
agreed! With the new KDE and KDE office it is even better than before!
Better configureation tools and a cool office suite! All ready for the
new distros! The best part? I didn't have to wait for the distos to
package and sell it! The same for the 2.4 kernel. WHich I am now running
even though it's in beta (without going through the hassles to beta MS
products).
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I hate when the seeming majority of messages are either defending
Linux
> against some idiotic press release, or a dialog initiated by a troll.
>
> Lets talk about why Linux is great, and a pleasure to use.
>
> A typical Linux distribution, out of the box, has 95% of anything
anyone
> (that's ANYONE!) would want to do with a computer.
>
> Depending on your needs, there is a high likelihood that Linux will do
> what you want better, faster, more reliably, and more socially
> responsible than Windows any release.
>
> I have a friend that is self employed as a word processor, she uses
> Linux, as she puts it, her "time is worth money."
> I have relative that uses linux to serve web pages out of his house
> using Linux.
> I know a couple companies using linux as a development environment.
> I know (as a witness) a few major companies that use Linux.
> I personally use Linux.
>
> Windows may have some cool eye candy, but lets face it, when all is
said
> and done, you want to accomplish what you want to accomplish, if you
are
> willing to pay the price of instability, vendor lock, and
> price/performance penalty for Windows, enjoy. If what you want to
> accomplish can be done with Linux, you will find that it will be more
> reliable and more economically viable than ANY Windows solution.
>
> --
> http://www.mohawksoft.com
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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Reply-To: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Toyota FIRES Microsoft!
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:07:49 -0400
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> > Charlie Ebert wrote:
> >
Charlie confirms everyboddies worst fears, he talks to himself...
--
Nik Simpson
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From: "Brandon Van Every" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux for the Desktop
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 01:09:07 GMT
"goldhammer goldhammer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:bkpK5.5494
>
> 3. Desktop = something designed for the Completely Clueless Idiot
(CCI).
I always find it funny when people think I want to spend my precious
engineering brainpower on configuring some broken text script. Or
knowing all the parts of the belly of some huge beast. I'm not
interested, I want to concentrate on the work that acutally fulfils my
own visions and makes me money. Sysadmin overhead is evil.
--
Cheers, www.3DProgrammer.com
Brandon Van Every Seattle, WA
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Why Linux is great.
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:57:29 GMT
In article <Uy0I5.344$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Idoia Sainz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Why do they need to save often? Why should they care? The house did
not
> > lose power, the VCR wouldn't have stopped working. The toaster oven
> > wouldn't have stopped toasting. Why did Windows stop?
>
> It is a matter of how much you do value your job ... by self nature
a PC
> can
> fail (from power to hardware or software) and if I am working with it
I must
> take care, mustn't I ?
by your standards it would be the same on any OS so you have made NO
POINT.
>
> > You are conditioned, you have been assimilated.
>
> At all, as I said I do use several OS's ... last one OpenBSD (just
> starting
> with it). Just don't like closing my eyes and saying Windows is bad
and
> Linux
> is good ... I think both of them have weak and strong points ;-)
Get to lean linux as well as you know windows then come back and talk.
>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Colquhoun)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft Speaks German!
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 01:16:32 GMT
On Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:35:39 GMT, Kyle Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|Another story, unposted.
|
|Maybe someone with an ounce of journalistic integrity is going around and
|(gasp) removing these false articles?
No, it's still there. I think they have tried to make it difficult
to link to individual stories.
Try this URL:
http://linuxtoday.com/search.php3?query=german+advertising
Then click on the story link for "We Won: MS targets Linux in German advertising"
|"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
|news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
|> Microsoft has admitted to the German public with this ad
|> that Linux is superior and a super threat to Microsoft.
|>
|> http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-10-21-017-06-NW-CY-MS
|>
|>
|> I found it interesting that they actually spent money
|> on this one. Who was their Ad man?
|>
|> Why is a guy like Bill Gates who practically owns the world
|> even worried about Linux? I mean, Windows is at least
|> 10 times the size of the Linux user base. At least.
|>
|> Would you panic and spend money on an ad against an
|> opponent which was probably 1/20th your size as a company?
|>
|> You know, Solaris has taken a beating from Linux and they
|> never ran even one ad against Linux.
--
Reverend Paul Colquhoun, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Universal Life Church http://andor.dropbear.id.au/~paulcol
-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-
xenaphobia: The fear of being beaten to a pulp by
a leather-clad, New Zealand woman.
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From: "Brandon Van Every" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 01:12:42 GMT
"Steven Smolinski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>
> It's too bad you don't actually state any facts as evidence of your
> 'assessment,'
Because it's a religious issue. I'm not here to convert you, my first
Linux kernel was 0.99something back in early 1993, I did all the "run a
public freeware project" stuff, and I gave up around 1996. Industry
experience gives people certain perspectives and you'll either agree or
disagree with the perspectives. Finally, I think you're rather naive
about the nature of the universe if you think it is parseable mostly
according to "facts." Spend some time in the social sciences.
--
Cheers, www.3DProgrammer.com
Brandon Van Every Seattle, WA
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From: "Brandon Van Every" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 01:15:46 GMT
"mmnnoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:9JoK5.129033
>
> I also hope, eventually, people will shun the exchange of data in
> proprietary
> formats (such as .doc). Wide adoption of Linux would probably ensure
that,
> but it's mostly a separate issue.
Wide adoption of the Linux is impossible in the corporate desktop and
home desktop markets. Why? Because Linux is fundamentally a "roll your
own" OS that's hostile to idiot users. Which is what word processing
is: idiot use.
--
Cheers, www.3DProgrammer.com
Brandon Van Every Seattle, WA
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From: Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What I don't like about RedHat Linux.
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 01:19:44 GMT
Steve Mading wrote:
> I just thought of something else that would work - drop to the
> prompt and do the fdisk, mkfs, and link setup *before* getting to
> the partition part of the install - then it will give me the option
> of just installing on top of the existing filesystem it sees there.
Actually it's kinda tricky, and I think you need to let the fdisk run first,
as the device files aren't there yet (or you can mknod them I guess). Plus,
IIRC, the device files are actually in /tmp during install instead of in /dev
(don't ask, I don't know why).
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc. - http://www.miguelito.org
"Linux and other OSS advocates are making a progressively more credible
argument that OSS software is at least as robust -- if not more -- than
commercial alternatives." - Microsoft lamenting Open Source Software in the
"Halloween Document"
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:06:23 -0400
WickedDyno wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Loren Petrich wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > You leftists are ALWAYS using "laudable goals" to excuse DESTRUCTIVE
> > > > RESULTS.
> > >
> > > While you right-wingers are proud of being Evil People?
> >
> > I'm a Libertarian.
> >
> > Right-wingers are socialist assholes, just like you left-wingers.
> >
> > Libertarianism is ANTITHETICAL to socialism in any form, fatass
> > shit-for-brains.
>
> IME, it's also antithetical to reality in any form.
>
> I know libertarians who claim that the U.S. Govt. should sell all
> National parks to private companies because whoever bought them would be
> in possession of such a beautiful place, they would never harm it.
Why are all of the out-of-control forest fires on FEDERAL lands?
Laset time I checked, the Fed Gov's forest management practices have
been absolutely atrocious compared to those of timber companies.
>
> They also claim that people will be safer if we disband the police and
> have everyone carry concealed handguns.
You are confusing libertarianism with Anarchy.
Don't be such a shit-head.
>
> And that Big Business really wants to protect the environment, workers'
> rights, consumer rights, etc. -- government regulations are just
> confusing the issue.
In case you haven't noticed, every time some politician starts jabbering
about how government should pass a law to make sure that workers have
this benefit or that benefit....you will notice that "Big Business"
is ALREADY giving those benefits to it's employees.
You see, fool, such laws are actually to AID Big Business....so
burden their smaller competitors with employee-benefit costs which
the smaller businesses are not as able to handle.
Public schools -- originated as a benefit for employees of 'big business'
Health Insurance -- " " " " " " " " "
Maternity Leave -- " " " " " " " " "
etc., etc.
Every time you hear about some new employee benefit being contemplated
by politicians, you will discover that such benefits are already being
offered to employees of most Fortune 500 companies already.
Now..what *I*, as an employee, really fucking resent is the government
MANDATING that I must be given benefits that I have no interest in.
Think about it....benefits only come at a cost....that cost being
a REDUCTION IN MY PAYCHECK. Fuck the government and their goddamned
stupid benefit mandatess...LET MY EMPLOYER GIVE ME $$$$$$$$$$$$, and
then let me do with it as I please
(i.e. no fucking not-really-"free lunches" from the government, to the
tune of 40% of my pay, either).
>
> --
> | Andrew Glasgow <amg39(at)cornell.edu> |
> | SCSI is *NOT* magic. There are *fundamental technical |
> | reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat |
> | to your SCSI chain now and then. -- John Woods |
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Windows Source Code Stolen!
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 01:25:46 GMT
>
> >On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:09:46 GMT, "Chad Myers"
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>But the problem with this... you guys always say that's why Linux is
> >>better because there are no hard and fast deadlines, but it doesn't show.
> >>Linux now exceeds NT 4.0 on hacked sites list, it's taking over on the
> >>number of bugs list, and the response time for patches is worse than
> >>Microsoft in most cases. This just doesn't hold up.
> >
> >1) There's a difference between a patch and a major release.
> >2) 2.2 -> 2.4 is not a patch. Was Win3.1 => 4.0 (95) a patch?
> >3) Linux exceeds NT 4.0. This is the only fact you state above.
This is the kind of crap Chad says the day before
Microsoft's site is hacked into and all the source
code for W2k has been stolen and compromised!
Chad,
You truely don't know your head from your butt
on anything concerning a computer and anybody
from either the Linux or Microsoft newsgroups
who reads your posts is a totally lost soul!
And that's the FACTS.
--
Charlie
By 2005 Microsoft will be displaced by
LINUX - THE POWER OF A GNU GENERATION!
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From: "Brandon Van Every" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 01:25:59 GMT
"sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8td7ff$kt4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <HBnK5.1773$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Brandon Van Every" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > <and then depression set in....>
> >
> > I finished assessing Linux. I don't think Linux has any magic
answers
> > for the PC industry. Its strengths are offset by inertial forces
> beyond
> > its control, i.e. Microsoft.
>
>
> What makes you so sure that MS is not the one that is going to be at
the
> mercy of foces beyond it's control, ie Linux?
Because the JOD couldn't get the antitrust case to go straight to the
Supreme Court. The District Court has historically been more favorable
to Microsoft's pleas, and it buys Microsoft lotsa stalling time. The
Evil Empire isn't falling soon and I seriously doubt the JOD will
sustain the political momentum needed to bring it tumbling down. I
think Microsoft has definitely got 2..3 years of healthy market
muscling, "business as usual" ahead of them.
> Commercial support goes first to Windows,
> > second to Linux.
>
> ???? What the hell are you saying? ??? IBH offers commrecial support
for
> linux.
Sure, a few companies make it their business model to support Linux
first, Windows second. Those companies are few and far between. With
the exception of Microsoft monopoly products, the level of
commodification is much higher in the Windows world.
> Yes if it has not done so, Linux is about ready to overtake MS in the
> server market.
Which is A Good Thing. It benefits anyone who wants to run a network
server as part of their business enterprise. This leaves a lot of
important markets unchallenged, however.
> > Computer enthusiasts are the smaller market, the ones who want
>
> They are the trend setters and the peole who other people go to for
> advice! I advise Linux now.
They aren't "trend setters," they're a subspecies of computer user that
has existed since the dark ages of computerdom. A rareified and
distinguished clan. The trend setters are the AOL idiots who buy a
computer for $500 to get on the Internet.
> Other than the fact that it will become cheaper to manufacture PC's
with
> linux as an OS Thus the entry level PC's for the lower income will
move
> to linux as the embeded market has already!
People pay money for ease of use. Also, ease of use costs development
dollars. Linux is only easy to use if you have the skill of a
super-hacker and want to exercise that skill a lot. I have those
skills, I don't usually want to have to exercise them. I want to
exercise my skill on my own projects, not maintaining the system.
> > Every 2 years I poke my head up and see where Linux is at. Time to
> fall
> > asleep again. :-)
>
>
> YOu were awake???
My first kernel was 0.99something. I ran Linux in the days when the
preferred method was to download it onto 30 floppy disks. How about
you?
--
Cheers, www.3DProgrammer.com
Brandon Van Every Seattle, WA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 28 Oct 2000 01:53:00 GMT
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 07:52:25 -0400, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Chad Myers wrote:
>>
>> "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > Compaq has made a significant stink of the delayed 2.4 kernel
>> > release.
>> >
>> > It's funny but I can't remember a single Windows version which wasn't
>> > delayed by months from the target release.
Then Chad Myers has long term memory problems.
It was Win95 that coined the term "vapor ware".
>>
>> But I thought OSS software was supposed to be superior in all regards.
Then you need to try and control your thoughts Chad, your imagining things
... again.
>> Shouldn't a reasonable expectation be that it ships on time?
Nope its Linux, and Linux ships when its right, it ships early too.
>
>The important aspect of OSS is that it work. It is a non-trivial change
>to the kernel and I would prefer that every one takes their time.
>
>When software is delivered late, people stop grumbling the day after it
>is shipped. When software is shipped buggy, you lose credibility.
>
>>
>> Also, considering that most of the functionality in the 2.4 kernel is catch-up
>> to NT and other OSes that have had most of it as a basic part of the OS
>> for years now, it's kind of embarassing that they're spending all this
>> time just to get up to today's level of expectations. Compaq's anger
>> is justified.
Compaq is a *commercial* company, Linux is Free Software, only trolls like Chad
can somehow marry them together.
Anyone can use Linux, if they want to make money with it, they have to
understand the difference between Free Software and the commercial world.
>
>Hardly. You don't see Compaq putting their money where their mouth is do
>you? Funding kernel development by dedicating engineers to it would
>probably help.
Exactly !
>
>>
>> > Bill Gates said Windows 95 would be released almost a year
>> > before it actually was. Nobody said a damn thing about it.
>>
>> Oh, there was plenty said. So was there about Win2K, but people
>> just like you, if not you yourself.
>
>That's the argument isn't it? Seriously. The argument against OSS is
>that it is unstructured and will always be delayed and of poor quality.
>Where as "commercial" development is structured and managed, thus it
>should always be on time and of better quality.
>
>The reality is that software development is an unknown. If it were
>known, it would be typing. What we see is that software no matter how it
>is managed, does have the tendency to slip. I am as guilty as the next,
>however, with OSS there are no hard ship dates where marketing weasels
>stand in the engineering meetings and declare "We have to ship by
>xx/xx/xx or we might as well all go home now." Where more than half the
>engineers in the group think to themselves, "I don't need this crap, I'm
>sending out my resume."
>
>OSS allows the engineers the freedom to do it right. So far, Linux's
>stability is proof. It may be beta, but 2.4 is still more stable than
>2K.
>
>>
>> > I think it shows that people CARE about Linux and WANT
>> > to see the release.
>>
>> More like... Compaq is giving Linux one chance, if they can't get
>> their shit together (which they haven't, and won't) Compaq will
>> give up on them.
Then let them, they dont contribute to Linux other than by selling something
thats free.
>
>Compaq can give up on Linux. Who cares?
Not me.
> They have yet to make a clear
>and consistent, reasonable decision on anything.
>
>Pentium, Alpha, True64, VMS, OpenVMS, NT, 2K, StrongARM, etc. Compaq
>swallowed Digital and became Digital. They have the power and size to be
>a market leader, but squander all advantages they acquire. It matters
>not one bit what Compaq decides to do, they may be around for a long
>time, they may have influence, but they haven't been important since
>EISA, and that was a mistake.
>
>
>
>--
>http://www.mohawksoft.com
--
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,comp.os.netware.misc
Subject: Re: Ms employees begging for food
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:41:23 -0400
Toon Moene wrote:
>
> R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) wrote:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Michael Meissner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Caveman) writes:
>
> > > > As for giving things away as a business strategy, AT&T was pretty
> > > > smart about giving away UNIX.
>
> > Actually, UNIX was more like an accident. A few guys at Bell Labs
> > were trying to get Multics running on a pretty expensive computer
> > and their funding was cut by AT&T.
>
> IMPLICIT SMILEY (A-Z)
>
> Hmmm, the way I recall it Ken needed a computer (and an OS) to run his
> games on - Bell Labs "gave" him a PDP-7 and he invented Unix.
He was trying to get space war (remember the vidoe arcade game?--it was
already about 10-15 years old by the late 60's ) to run on Multics...but
it wouldn't run well...so they hacked a streamlined version of Multics
on a pdp-7....hence the pun Un-ics
>
> But don't take my word for it - Dennis is listening in to this
> (comp.arch) newsgroup, so you can hear it from the horse's mouth.
>
> --
> Toon Moene - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - phoneto: +31 346 214290
> Saturnushof 14, 3738 XG Maartensdijk, The Netherlands
> GNU Fortran 77: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/g77_news.html
> GNU Fortran 95: http://g95.sourceforge.net/ (under construction)
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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