Linux-Advocacy Digest #879, Volume #32           Sun, 18 Mar 01 23:13:04 EST

Contents:
  Re: Yet more XBox bogification... (Jim Naylor)
  Re: Yet more XBox bogification... (Edwin)
  Re: the mismeasure of man ("BrendaLee")
  Re: KDE 2.1 oopsie! (J Sloan)
  Re: KDE 2.1 oopsie! (J Sloan)
  Re: Yet more XBox bogification... (Jim Naylor)
  Re: KDE 2.1 oopsie! (J Sloan)
  Re: the truth about linux (J Sloan)
  Re: Why Open Source better be careful - The Microsoft Un-American (Jim Richardson)
  Re: Yet more XBox bogification... ("Zed Mister")
  Re: Memory needed to run linux / X windows ??? (Ian Pulsford)
  Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Tim Hanson)
  Re: IBM adapting entire disk storage line to work with Linux (Ed Allen)

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From: Jim Naylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Yet more XBox bogification...
Date: 19 Mar 2001 03:11:03 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Edwin 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jim Naylor wrote:
> > 
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Edwin 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > [snip]
> > 
> > There's no "lying" going on at all.  I've seen protypes 
> > from other game companies. This is common practice.
> > >
> > > Edwin
> > 
> > "I have never outrightly lied on this group in spite of 
> > whatever you think to the contrary. Alright I lied. But 
> > except in the case of Macsbug and DONK nobody had me 
> > dead to rights. I lied. So sue me."   --   EdWIN Thorne
> 
> Jim Naylor once again trots out his cut-and-paste 
> creation.   He wants to make certain no one will ever 
> mistake him for one who pocesses morals or ethics.

Hey EdLOOPS, what's a protype?

"I have never outrightly lied on this group
in spite of whatever you think to the contrary.
Alright I lied. But except in the case of
Macsbug and DONK nobody had me dead to rights.
I lied. So sue me."   --   EdWIN Thorne

-- 
Jim Naylor

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: Edwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Yet more XBox bogification...
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:21:14 -0600

Jim Naylor wrote:
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Edwin
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Jim Naylor wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Edwin
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > There's no "lying" going on at all.  I've seen protypes
> > > from other game companies. This is common practice.
> > > >
> > > > Edwin
> > >
> > > "I have never outrightly lied on this group in spite of
> > > whatever you think to the contrary. Alright I lied. But
> > > except in the case of Macsbug and DONK nobody had me
> > > dead to rights. I lied. So sue me."   --   EdWIN Thorne
> >
> > Jim Naylor once again trots out his cut-and-paste
> > creation.   He wants to make certain no one will ever
> > mistake him for one who pocesses morals or ethics.
> 
> Hey EdLOOPS, what's a protype?

Go get an education.

> "I have never outrightly lied on this group
> in spite of whatever you think to the contrary.
> Alright I lied. But except in the case of
> Macsbug and DONK nobody had me dead to rights.
> I lied. So sue me."   --   EdWIN Thorne
> 
If Jim can do it, so can I:

--
I'm a pedophile.  I've been locked up for years for molesting little
boys,
but I just can't stop.   I wish somebody would kill me. -- Jim Naylor

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From: "BrendaLee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: the mismeasure of man
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:30:34 -0500


"Mike Byrns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stuart Krivis) eeped:
> >> On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 00:21:31 GMT, Charlie Ebert
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >In article <983ulp$1ql$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Edward Rosten wrote:
> >> >>> A true IQ test would have to
> >> >>> involve pictures and patterns, and perhaps  have some mathematical
> >> >>> basis, because these are the only ideas that  translate well all
> >> >>> over the world.
> >> >>
> >> >>I don't believe there is a true IQ test. People are good at
> >> >>different thing.
> >> >>
> >> >>-Ed
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >For instance, most Windows users are extremely good at immitating
> >> >rocks.
> >>
> >>
> >> <sigh>
> >>
> >> Most people use Windows because it came with their computer, or the
> >> ads mentioned Windows, or they've heard of MS and Windows, or Joe from
> >> next door has Windows and dials up to AOL and looks at pr0n.
> >>
> >> Then there are business users who run what they're given.
> >
> >then there are those who are in business and understand economies of
> >scale. not to mention the cost of paying a headcase unix guru to be
> >snotty and obnoxious whilst smelling up the office and dripping twinkie
> >crumbs on the server and making rtfm sounds with his porcine cakehole.
> >                    jackie 'anakin' tokeman
> >
> >men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
> >more even than death
> >- bertrand russell
>
> I have to say Jackie, I like your style....

As do I, Mr. Mike, as do I..

:) BrendaLee

hee!



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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE 2.1 oopsie!
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 03:32:26 GMT

Pete Goodwin wrote:

> J Sloan wrote:
>
> >> It's behind a firewall - you can't get to it.
> >
> > Ah, so that's the secret of keeping a windows
> > web server up - make sure it gets no hits!
>
> But of course!
>
> No, its used as a file server. I put a web server on it a long while ago to
> test something out. The web server keeps a record of how long the machine
> has been up - handy when I find people claiming Windows can't stay up for
> long, when I have a machine that gives the lie to their statement.

This is odd, you "have proof" that windows is very reliable,
and that Linux is not.

black is white.
up is down
war is peace.

Do we have an agenda, or what?

jjs


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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE 2.1 oopsie!
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 03:34:56 GMT

Pete Goodwin wrote:

> J Sloan wrote:
>
> >> If the Linux crowd can't take criticism, but love to dish it out for
> >> Windows, then I'll call you a hypocrit.
> >
> > That's silly, if you ever looked at the kernel mailing
> > list, you will see plenty of frank discussion of bugs,
> > limitations and the things that linux still needs,
> >
> > You have no idea about "the linux crowd" since you've
> > never had any contact with them. (no, cola does not
> > count)
>
> I meant the linux crowd here on COLA.

Again, no relation to the "linux crowd".

This is the "cola crowd", do not confuse the two.

> Huh? I get problems and you say its not for me? What kind of rationale is
> that?

Your unending tale of woes does indeed strongly suggest
that it is not for you.

> > Why not go buy a new G4 and run MacOS X?
>
> Why should I want to spend so much moneny?

To end your endless tale of woes.

jjs


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From: Jim Naylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Yet more XBox bogification...
Date: 19 Mar 2001 03:36:51 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Edwin 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jim Naylor wrote:
> > 
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Edwin 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > Jim Naylor wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Edwin 
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [snip]
> > > >
> > > > There's no "lying" going on at all.  I've seen 
> > > > protypes from other game companies. This is common 
> > > > practice.
> > > > >
> > > > > Edwin
> > > >
> > > > "I have never outrightly lied on this group in 
> > > > spite of whatever you think to the contrary. 
> > > > Alright I lied. But except in the case of Macsbug 
> > > > and DONK nobody had me dead to rights. I lied. So 
> > > > sue me."   --   EdWIN Thorne
> > >
> > > Jim Naylor once again trots out his cut-and-paste 
> > > creation.   He wants to make certain no one will ever 
> > > mistake him for one who pocesses morals or ethics.
> > 
> > Hey EdLOOPS, what's a protype?
> 
> Go get an education.

I'll admit it's not complete yet, but it has a fairly 
functional BS detector. That's why I think you're such a 
gas. And it's such fun to spork your spelling flames. Are 
you annoyed yet, EdWINnies? Why don't you flame _my_ 
spelling like you're so fond of doing to others? By the way, 
I don't use a spell checker. Or a dictionary. And that's 
_not_ an analogy, by the way.
 
> > "I have never outrightly lied on this group in spite of 
> > whatever you think to the contrary. Alright I lied. But 
> > except in the case of Macsbug and DONK nobody had me 
> > dead to rights. I lied. So sue me."   --   EdWIN Thorne
> > 
> If Jim can do it, so can I:
> 
> -- I'm a pedophile.  I've been locked up for years for 
> molesting little boys, but I just can't stop.   I wish 
> somebody would kill me. -- Jim Naylor

You're such a cute little tyke, all eight of you. Just get 
in the bus here, and don't tell each other. Everything will 
be all right as soon as the nice man gets the backwards 
canvas jacket tied on...  ;-)    ;-)    ;-)

-- 
Jim Naylor

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE 2.1 oopsie!
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 03:40:17 GMT

Pete Goodwin wrote:

> J Sloan wrote:
>
> >> I've submitted a bug report, and as long as people bill Linux distros as
> >> "Windows killer", no, I won't shut up.
> >
> > I'm not sure what you;re on about there.
> > Linux is indeed a windows killer in the server room.
> > Nobody has ever said that about the desktop. All I
> > ever hear is that Linux is catching up (in ease of use.
> > availability of apps and so forth)
>
> http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/3052/1/
>
> What's the headline in this article?
>
> "Pack It Up and Go Home: SuSE's Created a Windows-Killer"

So some magazine used the phrase "windows killer"
and you're now going to punish us all forever, eh?

> > Until it does, I counsel you to stay away. and
> > let the technical and power users work it out.
>
> But everyone is telling me how Linux is so much better than Windows!

It is indeed much better. I have switched completely to
Linux, and see little reason to futz around with windows.

However Linux does not suffer fools gladly.

So while Linux does everything I need from an OS, and
does it more reliably than windows, it is probably not
right for you. Please go buy a mac.

Cheers,

jjs


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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the truth about linux
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 03:43:39 GMT

Brent R wrote:

> J Sloan wrote:
> >
> > "Public " wrote:
> >
> > > Here are some humorous snippets from a site located at 
>http://members.aol.com/erichuf/Linux.html
> > >
> > > Finally! somebody willing to tell the truth!
> >
> > Nah, just another silly troll....
> >
> > jjs
>
> And this, Young Jedi, is why you fail. Instead of responding to the
> points the article makes, you simply dismiss it and the reader.

Sorry, I don't have enough hours in the day to read
every lame anti linux article. If you want to spend your
time on that happy bs, knock yourself out.

jjs


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: Why Open Source better be careful - The Microsoft Un-American
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:50:42 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On 18 Mar 2001 10:21:41 -0500, 
 Stuart Krivis, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
 brought forth the following words...:

>On 6 Mar 2001 23:31:02 GMT, Bloody Viking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>For energy _storage media_ like hydrogen (takes more energy than you get, 
>>hence "storage media") you need a _source_ to have it. Breeders like crazy? I 
>>say yes, but we all know about the politics of nuke plants. Nukes is the long 
>>term solution, to power homes and factories, electric rail, etc. Hydrogen has 
>>the annoying problem of being awful cold, second to liquid helium. 
>
>The disadvantage to hydrogen is that it requires a means of
>distribution. The current natural gas system won't work. Hydrogen would
>be leaking out everywhere. :-) You need for better seals for containing
>hydrogen.
>
>Your comment about cold assumes that we would be using liquid hydrogen.
>I don't think that's realistic. There are other ways to store hydrogen
>that make more sense if you need a portable source.

A lot of work going on in fuel cells, especially ones where the fuel is stored
in a hydrocarbon like methanol. Looks very promising.

>
>>The situation with car companies and petrol is sort of like Microsoft and 
>>Moore's Law. Car companies will suffer big time when oil supplies peak, and so 
>>will Microsoft suffer when computing power peaks. 
>
>To a large extent, car companies sell what people want. They do try to
>manipulate people's wants, but it doesn't always work.
>
>I doubt that they would have anything against selling/producing cars
>that are more efficient or run on some alternative fuel. But people
>aren't willing to pay extra for that, nor put up with any inconvenience.
>
>Cars _were_ becoming more efficent. CAFE was moving things in the right
>direction. But higher prices didn't please the consumer, and the oil
>industry didn't like lower consumption. Reagan gutted CAFE and now we
>have lots of 4WD SUVs that are not efficient.

CAFE killed people, it made for lighter cars, with less protection. 
 But you are right that people aren't willing to pay extra for efficiency, and
why should the when oil is cheap?

>But people want large trucks that they can wear. If it were allowed, and
>they had one, people would dangle their large willy outside their pants
>just to impress their neighbors. A large Ford SUV with power ass-wiper
>is something that is socially acceptable when it comes to showing what
>large cojones you have. "I'm rich and powerful. Bow down before me."
>
>Take a look at people driving around. Count how many are by themselves
>in a vehicle that would hold 4 or more in comfort.


Mostly because they are going to someplace, at some time, that no-one they know
wants to go to.

>Why isn't there a strong push to public transportation? Some areas are a
>bit more enlightened and are working on it, but many just pay lip
>service to the concept. I live in an area with roads that were never
>designed for the amount of traffic they get now. They become a parking
>lot during commute time. But people are still moving out farther away
>from their jobs in the city, and they drive back and forth.

Because public transit sucks. Pretty simple reason really. I say this as
someone who doesn't own a car or truck, and takes public transit a lot. But
frankly, it's poorly done in most US cities.

>There's a bus system, but it's horrible. It's not aimed toward the
>middle class, it's aimed lower. And the powers-that-be don't really care
>whether the proles are inconvenienced or not. 

exactly.

>Affirmative action hurts too. The bus system is required to follow
>certain hiring rules. They don't hire or promote based on merit.
>The result is some drivers that don't realize that driving a bus also
>involves picking people up and stopping to let them off. Good bus
>drivers are few and far between. Politically-correct bus drivers are
>everywhere. 
>
>Here's an experiment. Sit in your vehicle and look around. How much of
>that fancy exterior can you see? Not much, I suspect. People buy fancy
>cars for _others_, not for themselves. If they were buying for
>themselves, then the exterior would be low-maintenance and the interior
>would be all-important. Why do you need shiny paint that requires more
>work to keep up? You can't admire it when you're driving. (I'm assuming
>that the actual purpose of a car is to be driven, not to sit on the
>front lawn as a showpiece.) Well, that shiny paint is to impress someone
>else with how big your willy is.

Because people have multiple reasons for buying things. Status is one, you
can't ignore that, it's a fact of life.


-- 
Jim Richardson
        Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
        Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.


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From: "Zed Mister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Yet more XBox bogification...
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:46:50 -0800

Hehe.  The first time I saw the original screenshot I just assumed the lens
flare was added on.  But I didn't really think of it as a conspiracy or
anything (maybe I should have).  I was actually thinking "this looks pretty
ugly, why would they use Photoshop to make the game so stupid looking with a
lens flare that is so obviously out of place."

"Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9933mv$4gc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [crossposted]
>
> Look, I have no particular hatred of Microsoft,
> but this is bullshit.
>
> First, we have this:
>
> http://boards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=3550576
> http://www.mikekraus.de/lol.jpg



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From: Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Memory needed to run linux / X windows ???
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:58:48 +1000

jtnews wrote:
> 
> Ian Pulsford wrote:
> >
> > jtnews wrote:
> > >
> > > I was running redhat 6.2 on a Pentium 90 Mhz
> > > machine with 32MB for a while.
> > >
> > > It was bearable just using linux as a dumb
> > > X terminal, but beyond that it's intolerably
> > > slow.
> > >
> > > I finally retired my old 90Mhz machine
> > > and replaced it with a Dell L700cx
> > > with 192MB of RAM, whew! What a difference!
> > > :-)
> > >
> >
> > I think you have your terms confused, a Pentium 90 with 32M RAM would
> > scream as an X-terminal.  I have a diskless AMD5x86(486) X-terminal with
> > 24M RAM that runs like I'm sitting at the PII 300 that the X clients are
> > actually running on.
> 
> What did you think I said? I said
> > > > It was bearable just using linux as a dumb
> > > > X terminal, but beyond that it's intolerably
> > > > slow.
> 
> >
> > Drag out your old machine, install a minimal system with X, run XDM on
> > your new PC, and then run 'X -query newmachinesname' and find out how
> > wrong you are about X.
> 
> been there done that, like I said, tolerable, but beyond that
> it's intolerably slow.

Hmmm, you must be doing something wrong, your video card sucks in a big
way, or you're using a serial cable?

IanP

-- 
"Dear someone you've never heard of,
how is so-and-so. Blah blah.
Yours truly, some bozo." - Homer Simpson

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From: Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: misc.int-property,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 03:55:34 GMT

JD wrote:
> 
> "Tim Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > JD wrote:
> > >
> > > "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Said JD in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:54:19 -0500;
> > > > >Jumping in:
> > > > >
> > > > >    I'll estimate that the number of people who don't understand the
> > > > >    side-effect of GPL are similar (within a few percent, highly correlated)
> > > > >    to those who think that the GPL is a license of free software.
> > > >
> > > > And I'd estimate that the number of people who claim GPL isn't "free
> > > > software" are similar to those who want to charge money for licenses of
> > > > work based on free software.
> > > >
> > > That is strictly not true, because most people who really don't like the GPL,
> >
> > Oh they don't, do they?  Specifically what class of people did you count
> > in your "most" qualifier?  What methodology did you use in counting
> > them, and where is your research published and peer reviewed?  You _do_
> > have some basis for this statement, beyond your own previous rhetoric,
> > don't you?
> >
> Okay, your right...  People just don't like the GPL because it is a bad license 
>then? :-).

We haven't figured out that people don't like the GPL yet, beyond your
repeated insistance that they don't.  Which people, specifically?
 
> Look, those who don't like the GPL will have one of two reasons (perhaps more):
> 
> 1) The license is bad.
> 2) The people associated with it are untrustworthy, and have caused problems
>     due to their misleading information.

Who says that, beyond just you?  The majority of programmers?  I see
before me a series of unsubstantiated claims about some overwhelming
majority, which exist only in your rhetoric.  
 
> Which one do you prefer?  I have found that in serious discussions, that when 
>carefully
> questioned, 

...using what questions?  The rhetorical leading ones I've seen here,
with you or those who agree with you doing the asking?  Who have you
questioned:  Only those who agree with you?

> the problems with the GPL have been because of the disappointing restrictions
> associated with it.  

We haven't gotten to the problems of the GPL yet.  We're still on the
problems with your methodology.

> There would be NO disappointment if there were no restrictions or if
> they didn't believe that the license was a license of free software from the 
>beginning.

There's disappointment?  Prove it.  You haven't so far.

 
> So, your claim that reason (2) above isn't true, and people really claim that they 
>don't
> like the GPL, then it means that the license itself is bad for them.

> If you want a peer reviewed paper about the defects in the GPL, you MIGHT not like
> the answers.

At least they'd be credible.

-- 
Why don't elephants eat penguins ?

Because they can't get the wrappers off ...

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IBM adapting entire disk storage line to work with Linux
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Allen)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 04:01:04 GMT

In article <va9t6.87051$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Ed Allen wrote:
>> >
>> > In article <cCOs6.82336$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> > Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >It's alright, laugh it up. I know you're really just jealous
>> > >because you know that I'm right. You know that the only company
>> > >who really takes Linux seriously (if that's what it really is)
>> > >is IBM, and IBM has a poor track history with desktop and
>> > >small-server OSen.
>> >     I suppose that is true if you have a secret definition for
>> >     "seriously" like Erik likes to do.
>> >
>> >     How many more millions does Intel need to invest to qualify in
>> >     your private definition ?
>> >
>> >     Lets not forget that AMD is encouraging Linux developers to use their
>> >     coming 64-bit chips.  They don't qualify, why ?
>> >
>> >     SGI does not qualify either.  Why not ?  They are planning to add
>> >     their NUMA technology and sell Itanium cluster machines.
>> >
>> >     Then too, all the universities using Linux to put together their
>> >     own Supercomputers are not companies either.
>> >     http://www.vnunet.com/News/1113447
>> >
>> >     What do you think the graduating students will recommend for use
>> >     at their new jobs ?
>>
>>
>> Yes, a very excellent point!
>
>It's a very common problem.
>
>Universities using archaic or esoteric systems to teach their students,
>and then when the students graduate and get out into the real world
>where companies have to make money, they realize they know nothing
>necessary to compete.
>
>Meanwhile, the intelligent individuals who decided not to waste
>their time on worthless university "computer science", and instead
>decided to learn the hot technologies that pay well and are making
>a fortune and are in high demand, even in today's economy.
>
>Those students may suggest it to their employers, but their employers
>will laugh because they know the truth about linux.
>
    I suspected you might ignore my refutation of your false claim and
    make another to change the subject, hoping nobody would notice.

    Sorry Chad sock-puppets do not think or write well without their
    masters' hand up their butt.

    I don't usually post HTML but this one's for you and I would not
    want to strain your little neuron.

    The first one is the *only* link I have seen for a W2K cluster.
    It is one tenth as powerful as one of the Linux links beneath it.

    The second one explains that Linux clusters are rapidly climbing to
    the top of the list of largest supercomputers.

    How do you think working on and building clusters big enough to be
    ranked among the top 500 supercomputers in the world deserves to be
    labeled "using archaic or esoteric systems" ?

    Oil companies, biotech companies,  and financial houses are hardly
    what I would class as dead end jobs.

    The Linux community is putting together several "Supercomputer On A
    CD" distros so these clusters will become more common and the
    knowledge of how to put them together and keep them tuned up will be
    within the reach of every highschool science club.

    This is the territory Bill is aching about getting in to and Linux
    is here first and widening the gap.  I would let someone else show
    him this list if I were you, he has been known to spit and throw
    things when he is unhappy.

<TITLE>Bookmarks for Chad Meyers</TITLE>
<H1>Bookmarks for Chad Meyers</H1>

<DL><p>
    </DL><p>
        <DT><A HREF="http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/General/CC/ntcluster/">NCSA NT Cluster 
Group</A>
        <DT><A 
HREF="http://www.fcw.com/fcw/articles/2001/0115/web-linux-01-17-01.asp">Linux clusters 
speeding to top</A>
        <DT><A 
HREF="http://eltoday.com/article.php3?ltsn=2000-12-12-001-14-PS-SM">Largest Linux 
Supercomputer to Aid in Oil Exploration </A>
        <DT><A HREF="http://eltoday.com/article.php3?ltsn=2000-12-15-001-13-PS">Linux 
NetworX Clusters to Power Genome Research at Lawrence Berkeley National Lab</A>
        <DT><A HREF="http://linuxpr.com/releases/2959.html">Linux PR: University of 
Kentucky Wins Two Supercomputing Awards with Linux Clusters</A>
        <DT><A 
HREF="http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=1999-06-15-003-10-NW-HW">Linux Today 
- Linux Cluster reaches 125.2 GFLOPS...</A>
        <DT><A HREF="http://stonesoup.esd.ornl.gov/">The Stone SouperComputer - ORNL's 
First Beowulf-Style Parallel Computer</A>
        <DT><A 
HREF="http://www.businesswire.com/cgi-bin/f_headline.cgi?bw.012901/210290281&ticker=CRAY">Cray
 Inc. Announces Plans for Alpha Linux SuperCluster Systems</A>
        <DT><A 
HREF="http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/stories/0,1199,NAV47_STO58037,00.html">Defense 
Department plans 512-processor Linux cluster | Computerworld News &amp; Features 
Story</A>
        <DT><A 
HREF="http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47-68-84-88_STO55133,00.html">Royal
 Dutch Shell building Linux supercomputer with IBM | Computerworld News &amp; Features 
Story</A>
        <DT><A 
HREF="http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47-68-84-88_STO56411,00.html">IBM,
 supercomputing center building high-end Linux clusters | Computerworld News &amp; 
Features Story</A>
        <DT><A 
HREF="http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO48591,00.html">IBM makes 
it easier to build clusters of Linux servers | Computerworld News &amp; Features 
Story</A>
        <DT><A 
HREF="http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO49472,00.html">Linux 
leaps to supercomputer | Computerworld News &amp; Features Story</A>
        <DT><A 
HREF="http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/01/03/16/010316hnorigin.xml?p=br&s=7">SGI
 to offer Linux-based IA-64 Origin computer</A>
        <DT><A 
HREF="http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/1626/1/">LinuxPlanet - Reports - 
How the Wolf Will Survive: Linux Supercomputing and Los Lobos - Gigaflops, Teraflops, 
and Linux</A>
        <DT><A 
HREF="http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/01/25/2330211&mode=nocomment">NewsForge
 | Linux 'Supercomputer on a CD'</A>
        <DT><A 
HREF="http://www.slashtco.com/ResourceCentre/01/02/02/1134207.shtml">Resource Centre | 
UK case study - Inpharmatica's 1100 processor supercomputer runs on Linux.</A>
        <DT><A HREF="http://www.vnunet.com/News/1113055">vnunet.com Linux clustering 
switches launched</A>
        <DT><A HREF="http://www.vnunet.com/News/1115544">vnunet.com Tool turns PCs 
into Linux supercomputers</A>
        <DT><A 
HREF="http://www.zdnet.com/eweek/stories/general/0,11011,2674579,00.html">ZDNet: 
eWEEK: IBM's mission: world's fastest Linux supercomputer</A>

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  "What's mine is ours,
    If you make *OUR* stuff better the result is still ours." 

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