Linux-Advocacy Digest #33, Volume #30 Sat, 4 Nov 00 04:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Christopher Smith")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!! ("Les Mikesell")
Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!! ("Les Mikesell")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Can Linux "cut and paste" ? (Jim Richardson)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: I think I'm in love..... (Pete Goodwin)
Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: I think I'm in love..... (Pete Goodwin)
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 17:03:38 +1000
"Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:GbOM5.121800$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Yeah, but we had it first. ;-)
>
> Didn't Microsoft write OS/2 for IBM?
They worked together on it. Then Windows 3.0 (unexpectedly) took off so
Microsoft dropped OS/2, hired Dave Cutler and a bunch of ex-DEC people and
started on NT as the Next Big Thing to run Windows apps.
Although by the time the stuff Marty's talking about - the WPS - was around,
Microsoft had left the party. However, I'd wager a great deal of their
early Windows GIU work was probably influential on WPS (the concepts, not
the code). I'm pretty sure it's mostly IBM we have to blame for the awful
CUA UI guidelines (eg Ctrl+Ins, Shift+Del Shift+Ins and for Copy, Cut and
Paste). I've forgotten most of them - it's been a long time since I used
OS/2.
WPS (WorkPlace Shell) is one of my favourite GUIs. Definitely far from the
most intuitive, but easily one of the most powerful and extensible. A great
deal of the cool stuff Explorer does (and allows) was "inspired" by WPS.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 01:49:47 -0600
"Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8u0cd6$o50$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > Didn't Microsoft write OS/2 for IBM?
>
> They worked together on it. Then Windows 3.0 (unexpectedly) took off so
> Microsoft dropped OS/2, hired Dave Cutler and a bunch of ex-DEC people and
> started on NT as the Next Big Thing to run Windows apps.
Actually, MS hired Dave Cutler in 1988, 2 years before Windows 3 hit the
shelves. The project he was hired for was called OS/2 NT, or Portable OS/2
designed to be run on althernate processors.
Microsoft actually did most of the work up until the split (OS/2 1.0, 1.1,
and 1.2. 1.3 was the first all IBM release).
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 07:52:45 GMT
"Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:RTNM5.121787$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >
> > Do you imagine that every win2k box has service pack 1 applied now?
>
> No. But Linux is an open door by default. Win2K is not.
No it isn't.
>
> Win2K is a lot more secure out of the box than Linux is.
No it isn't.
> >Or perhaps that
> > they are easy to forget because they run for years with no attention.
> > It is not easy to break into a Linux box when all the vendors updates
> > have been applied.
>
> There are so many .... and people would never get any work done monitoring
> all the open source security advisory sites.
Why would you do that? Just watch your own distribution's updates, which
you generally want to know about whether they are improvements, additions,
or bugfixes. Many of the distributions come with auto-update programs
to pick up the new stuff as it becomes available.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 07:54:38 GMT
"Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:IYNM5.121791$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >
> > If you install any verions of Linux released in the last 2 years,
> > one would have to SPECIFICALLY CHOOSE "unsecure" to run at the
> > "minimal" security level ..
>
> Not on any of the distros I installed on VMWare.
Try a Mandrake 7.2. Or a 'workstation' install of a current RedHat.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 03:12:00 -0500
Christopher Smith wrote:
>
> Marty wrote:
>
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > And thus, you touch upon the ENTIRE problem of the windows paradigm...
> > > that each type of file is ONLY to be used by one specific executable,
> > > and no other.
>
> False.
>
> > This is an area where the flexibility of OS/2 particularly shines. You
> > can have several different programs associated with the file type and
> > select among
> > them by right-clicking the object in question. You can make the default
> > something safe, like a Notepad type of app. For objects that you know are
> > safe, you can change just their defaults to use a different app and this
> > information is stored in the extended attributes of that particular file.
>
> And you can do the same in Windows.
We're talking about the real world, not your dreams.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 03:15:48 -0500
Bill Vermillion wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote
> >> on Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:54:52 -0500
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> >Christopher Smith wrote:
> >> >>
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >> >> It doesn't. He said same scenario, not same events. THe scenario is a
> >> >> trojan, and any OS is vulnerable to them.
> >> >
> >> >Really now.
> >> >
> >> >So, like, why don't we see Unix e-mail viruses?
>
> >> Who says we don't? Kevin Mitnick's "worm" was highly prolific,
> >> somewhat destructive (because of bandwidth), and resulted in his
> >> being forbidden to touch a computer ever again and serving time, AFAIK.
>
> >1) That was Morris's, not Mitnick
> >2) it was a buffer-over run attack -- all such code was removed from
> > Unix within a couple of months .. ie. 1988
> >3) 12 years later, Microsoft products are still open to buffer
> > overrun attacks.
> > What kind of stupid shits are programming for Microsoft?
>
> >> Of course, it wasn't nearly as dangerous as QAZ, and any Unix
> >> and Linux trojan will be limited in its scope unless run as root.
>
> >Actually, it was VERY dangerous. It took down nearly every machine
> >on the Internet at that time.
>
> Not true. It took down many - not nearly every. I remember the
> mail about it that morning before it was figured out. ISTR it
George Goble at Purdue disected it. In fact, not only was Purdue the
first to successfully isolate it (because we had a couple Gould
Beta-test machines that had a completely different instruction
set, and therefore, invulnerable).
> was primarily Vaxen - but it's been a long time. I think some
> SUN's - and Sendmail running on them. I have the original
Any VAX or SUN with sendmail running...i.e. ANY vax or sun.
> diagnostic paper filed away somewhere that Spaf shipped from Purdue
> for all who asked. Net was much smaller then - I think there were
> about 100,000 hosts out there from the monthly Usenet traffic
> posts.
regardless. 95% is catastrophic.
>
> >However...that was 12 years ago, and we haven't seen another
> >serious Unix attack since then--despite the now widespread availability
> >of Unix/Linux systems for would-be virus writers to use as a
> >development platform.
>
> You say 'would be virus writers' in that paragraph but the original
> was a worm. I'm not aware of any virii that have propagted. Just
> that major worm and a few trojan horses.
>
> What a long sig you have. Surely violates the 4 line
> recommendation.
fuck that. Why play prisoner to policies drawn up when
a 10 MEG hard drive was $3000 ????
>
> --
> Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 03:17:55 -0500
Bruce Schuck wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> > >
> > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote
> > > on Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:54:52 -0500
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > >Christopher Smith wrote:
> > > >>
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > >> It doesn't. He said same scenario, not same events. THe scenario is
> a
> > > >> trojan, and any OS is vulnerable to them.
> > > >
> > > >Really now.
> > > >
> > > >So, like, why don't we see Unix e-mail viruses?
> > >
> > > Who says we don't? Kevin Mitnick's "worm" was highly prolific,
> > > somewhat destructive (because of bandwidth), and resulted in his
> > > being forbidden to touch a computer ever again and serving time, AFAIK.
> >
> > 1) That was Morris's, not Mitnick
> > 2) it was a buffer-over run attack -- all such code was removed from
> > Unix within a couple of months .. ie. 1988
>
> Buffer overflows are still leaving Linux and Unix open to Denial of Service
> attacks and hacking.
>
> Here a few CERT advisories that point out buffer overflow attacks on
> Unix/Linux.
>
> http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-99-08-cmsd.html
>
> http://www.cert.org/vul_notes/VN-2000-01.html
And yet, Linux and Unix are STILL more secure than M$ Operating Shitstems.
why is that?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: Can Linux "cut and paste" ?
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 22:28:06 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:46:05 GMT,
Mark Johnson, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bobby D. Bryant) wrote in
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>For text, Linux C&P is super-easy. Just drag across with MB1 to hilight
>>the text in one window, then click with MB3 where you want it in the
>>other.
>>
>are you required to have a 3 button mouse, or can you accomplish the same
>thing somehow with a 2 button mouse?
A two button mouse can emulate a 3 button mouse by using both buttons
simultaneously as the middle button.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 03:21:27 -0500
Christopher Smith wrote:
>
> "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:GbOM5.121800$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Yeah, but we had it first. ;-)
> >
> > Didn't Microsoft write OS/2 for IBM?
>
> They worked together on it. Then Windows 3.0 (unexpectedly) took off so
Wasn't that the same time that Microsoft put (illegal) bundling
stipulation in their contracts, thereby removing all cost-competitiveness
for OS/2, QuarterDeck, GEM, and other GUIs?
> Microsoft dropped OS/2, hired Dave Cutler and a bunch of ex-DEC people and
> started on NT as the Next Big Thing to run Windows apps.
Neutered Technology....
>
> Although by the time the stuff Marty's talking about - the WPS - was around,
> Microsoft had left the party. However, I'd wager a great deal of their
> early Windows GIU work was probably influential on WPS (the concepts, not
> the code). I'm pretty sure it's mostly IBM we have to blame for the awful
> CUA UI guidelines (eg Ctrl+Ins, Shift+Del Shift+Ins and for Copy, Cut and
> Paste). I've forgotten most of them - it's been a long time since I used
> OS/2.
>
> WPS (WorkPlace Shell) is one of my favourite GUIs. Definitely far from the
> most intuitive, but easily one of the most powerful and extensible. A great
> deal of the cool stuff Explorer does (and allows) was "inspired" by WPS.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I think I'm in love.....
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:26:13 +0000
Les Mikesell wrote:
> I thought it used grub by default.
Seems to be random, sometimes the Linux Mandrake installer picks LILO,
other times GRUB. I already have System Commander installed so I followed
the readme file of the Linux Mandrake installation CD. Seems this sometimes
stops working for no reason.
> > * Fonts all got stuck on some ugly fixed font
>
> Was this an upgrade or a new install? I've only
> used this a bit but I thought they finely included
> some usable fonts with things configured to use
> them.
A new install. Now all my fonts are fixed 9pt. If I changed them with
Configuration -> LookNFeel -> Fonts, it makes no difference.
> > * Quite a few SIGSEGV's in KDE 2.0
>
> Which program?
I think it was the KDE Control Panel.
--
Pete Goodwin
Just waiting for Linux to get there...
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 03:23:49 -0500
Bruce Schuck wrote:
>
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:pVJM5.12878$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:AVCM5.121602$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > While some of the holes in Linux get fixed quickly (and the OpenBSD
> people
> > > seem to think "quickly" is 6 months faster than Linux people think it
> is)
> > > many are not fixed. ANd many of the fixes are not implimented by the
> > users.
> >
> > Do you imagine that every win2k box has service pack 1 applied now?
>
> No. But Linux is an open door by default.
LIAR. there is no "default" security level for Linux.
You have to EXPLICITLY CHOOSE ONE.
IF you choose "unsecure" that's your fucking problem.
> Win2K is not.
>
> >
> > > > > Because Linux is an open door by default!
> > > >
> > > > Early versions have had problems. The real reason is that compared
> > > > to Windows, Linux is much more useful after you gain access.
> > >
> > > A Linux fantasy.
> > >
> > > The real answer is it's a lot easier to break in to a Linux box. Thats
> why
> > > the kiddies target Linux.
> >
> > It that is true, it is only because it is easier to install keep running
> > than
> > other systems, and thus the choice for some people who don't want to
> > bother learning how to configure things correctly.
>
> Win2K is a lot more secure out of the box than Linux is.
You really shouldn't post right after downing a fifth of Thunderbird.
>
> >Or perhaps that
> > they are easy to forget because they run for years with no attention.
> > It is not easy to break into a Linux box when all the vendors updates
> > have been applied.
>
> There are so many .... and people would never get any work done monitoring
> all the open source security advisory sites.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 03:26:33 -0500
Bruce Schuck wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Bruce Schuck wrote:
> > >
> > > "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:dMsM5.12789$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > > "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:yDqM5.121003$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >
> > > > > > > The OpenBSD people claim they are usually 6 months ahead of
> > > Linux/Unix
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > fixing exploits.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Go ahead and sleep through those 6 months of "open"
> vulnerabilities.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why don't you ask them how many years they are ahead of anything
> > > > > > from Microsoft?
> > > > >
> > > > > What percentage of the market does the secure open source project
> > > > (OpenBSD)
> > > > > hold compared to the insecure one (Linux) ?
> > > >
> > > > Probably 1% - and there are some good reasons for that.
> > > >
> > > > > And why do so many open source programs have holes in them?
> > > >
> > > > All large programs have holes in them. The open source ones
> > > > get fixed quickly where closed source ones can be exploited for
> > > > years by the smaller number of people who know about them and
> > > > withold that knowledge.
> > >
> > > While some of the holes in Linux get fixed quickly (and the OpenBSD
> people
> > > seem to think "quickly" is 6 months faster than Linux people think it
> is)
> > > many are not fixed. ANd many of the fixes are not implimented by the
> users.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > Why do script kiddies prefer Linux to break into and install DDOS
> tools?
> > > > >
> > > > > Because Linux is an open door by default!
> > > >
> > > > Early versions have had problems. The real reason is that compared
> > > > to Windows, Linux is much more useful after you gain access.
> > >
> > > A Linux fantasy.
> > >
> > > The real answer is it's a lot easier to break in to a Linux box.
> >
> > Wrong.
> >
> > If you install any verions of Linux released in the last 2 years,
> > one would have to SPECIFICALLY CHOOSE "unsecure" to run at the
> > "minimal" security level ..
>
> Not on any of the distros I installed on VMWare.
1) It is as I describe, on the following distros.
1) RedHat
2) Mandrake
3) SuSE
4) Corel
2) what does it matter if your Linux is "secure" if you are stupid enough
to make it a VMWare process on an INSECURE Microshit Losedosefiles OS?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I think I'm in love.....
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:31:03 +0000
Terry Porter wrote:
> >* My sound card (still) isn't supported
> It will NEVER be "supported" this isnt Windows, until someone writes a
> driver (that could be you Goodwin, youve told us how you're a programmer)
> you won't have one.
OK, what I meant to say was no one has written a driver for my sound card -
at least one that comes with Linux Mandrake. I did try the OSS one but KDE2
didn't like it, I ended up with a blank X desktop.
> >* LILO boot keeps coming and going
> Hmm thats a interesting phrase, wonder what it means ?
Use your imagination. Sometimes I have to use a boot floppy to get into
Linux. I use System Commander as my boot, and it occaisonally complains the
partition I'm trying to boot doesn't have a recognisable boot block. I've
no idea what is blowing that away.
> >* Fonts all got stuck on some ugly fixed font
> Ahh you should use the electronic fonts then, they are a vast improvement
> over the paper ones with sticky backs.
Perhaps I should use Windows, after all it works!
> >* Quite a few SIGSEGV's in KDE 2.0
> Its a work in progress, stick to a stable package if you dont like the odd
> SIGSEGV.
I thought KDE 2.0 was supposed to be a stable package. It was released
recently wasn't it?
> There are many other alternatives to KDE, this isnt *Windows*.
So what? I like KDE, when it works.
> I'm just waiting for Goodwin to get a clue...
I'm still waiting for Linux to be what it's being hyped to be, a
replacement for Windows.
--
Pete Goodwin
Just waiting for Linux to get there...
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